/k/ - Weapons

>>572711

well, clearly Russian spies are so far ahead they take Western-made toxins, and use them on their targets to make it seem like a false flag so they get away with it. (^:

wasn't there a wiki leak article about this..?

>>572711

Serious question: How is stuff like this evidence either way? Is it really that fucking difficult to either acquire or manufacture a compound used by another nation's military? The media narrative on this sounds like:

> The assassin used a 1911 pattern pistol, a weapon developed by Americans and used extensively by the United States military, suggesting American involvement in the attack

>>572759

I believe that the US did obtain access to the Soviet Chemical/Biological program to a degree in the areas where they were located outside of Russia (Eg;Vozrozhdeniya Island). Plus. They don't need to bear proof it was actually russia because the UN sec council and the media is already stacked against the odds. It'd need something like a US defector to Russia providing a hand signed letter on the president authorizing this.

>>572759

> Is it really that fucking difficult to either acquire or manufacture a compound used by another nation's military?

There have been a couple different chemists who claim to have leaked or discovered the synthesis process, and while some of them are contradictory it only takes one of them to be telling the truth. There's also been chemists arrested in the past for selling Novichok, so who knows who's gotten their hands on it.

In any case, Western governments clearly must know what the compound actually is to be able to identify it.

>>572762

The US (and NATO) had access after the collapse, multiple Western agencies, both military and civil monitored dismantlement and reclamation of all manner of Soviet facilities located in former East bloc states. In that same vein, there is some documentation on Soviet/Russian acquisition of Western developed agents/organisms.

>>572730

What's the joke I'm missing in the second picture?

>>572759

The point is more about pointing and laughing at US government shitposting and the normies that actually buy it.

>reeeeeee saddam has chemical weapons!

>says the government with a fuck ton of chemical weapons and an active continued development (and more importantly, the country that sold them to him)

>reeeeeeee iran/NK is building a nuke

>says the country with a fuckton of nukes

>reeeeeeee muh russian election hacking

>reeeeeeee russian interference in syria/ukraine

>says the country that can't even wipe its own ass without peeking its head under the stall and telling the guy guy in the next stall over how to wipe his ass

>>572763

This tbh. Unless I can read the "report" myself I will reserve the right to be doubtful.

After doing literally 5 seconds of research and finding >>572875 that twitter post on their twitter page, it is clear that RT lied once more.

To make things clear:

SpiezLabs never had any samples of the agent used. They simply claim that they have no doubt in the findings of the British Porton Down laboratories.

This does not mean that PD is correct, but it also never says anywhere that any NATO poisons was used. SpiezLabs never made a claim that NATO poisons were found. They simply state that they believe the findings of the Brits to be correct without having access to the samples themselves.

>>572889

>ignorant idiot ignores all facts provided

>IDS RUSSIAN PROAPAONDA U GOYS!!!!11

lol retard

>>572900

What facts? None of the labs mentioned by RT or ZeroHedge ever said that some NATO poison was used. Spiez simply backed up the findings of PD, without having access to the material themselves. Proofsters are literally making claims without having any proof themselves.

so many useful idiots for Russia

talk about cuckservatives. back in my day being right meant hating russkies, communism, and Nazism.

>>572944

So many useful idiots for Israel.

Back in my day being right wing meant loving your own country and your own people. Not loving some other nation because Jews convinced your pastor the hebrews are the "Chosen Ones" - but failed to mention circumcision is Cain's mark and the only thing Jews were chosen for by God is causing suffering to themselves and others, and your pastor skipped the synagogue of satan parts of the teachings of Jesus.

American Evangelists need to be lined up and shot, none of them read the Bible.

>>572946

>muh russia is under attack

>I know! I will pull the israel card.

>I win lel

>>572947

>muh nahsseees muh holohoax

>why wont russia let us bomb syria so our terrorist control enough of an airspace to give us a channel we can bomb iran through!

You're exposing yourself as a Jew lover, if not an outright Jew. It is well established that Jews are parasites, evil to the core, and desire nothing less than the enslavement or annihilation of all non-Jews. If anyone truly wants to prosper they have to do the opposite of what Jews want them to do.

If you side with that kind of evil, you are siding against humanity itself, and since everyone on this board is a human… Yes, I win. lel.

>>572950

oy vey anon thinks I'm a jew I guess I am because it will help him win an internet argument.

>>572947

>>>/reddit/ is more your speed, retard

>>572950

>Russian Defector (i.e. traitor) killed in UK

>Not with a rifle

>Not with a knife

>Not with explosives

>Not with an RPG or a tank

>But with a highly experimental nerve toxin that was never issued to military units and had not left the laboratory before this attack

>Russian state TV airs a segment that can be summarised as "FUCK YES! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO TRAITORS! RUSSIA STRONG! PUTIN STRONG! BE PROUD FELLOW VODKANIGGERS!"

>Russian Foreign Minister makes a demonstrably untrue claim that this was definitely not their fault, is immediately contradicted by the lab he named

>You come here and start pushing telling us about how much naffin Russia dindu

>People disagree with you

>"ERMAGERD, U JOO!!" t. you

How many roubles are you banking from this?

>>572952

Do you think it's even theoretically possible for something to happen without it being caused by 'muh joos'? Or do you think they're omnipotent and omnipresent? If you do then doesn't that mean you see them as God? America always was bestest Goy.

>>572953

>>Russian state TV airs a segment that can be summarised as "FUCK YES! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO TRAITORS! RUSSIA STRONG! PUTIN STRONG! BE PROUD FELLOW VODKANIGGERS!"

Where is proofs?

God shave the gueen.

>>572763

To be fair no one should be shocked or surprised if a spy gets assassinated. The worse thing you can do if a spy gets killed is make a big deal about it, but governments are and have always been giant faggots who always have to be the victim.

<"OMG THIS DUDE GOT POISONED WTF RUSSIA WE WAR YOU"

>said by governments who regularly assassinate sovereign and domestic political opponents

It's a shame that the US and UK didn't get utterly obliterated beyond saving in WW2 just for being little bitches

>>572955

Eh, if the Russians had had him stabbed or shot (i.e. if they'd tried to have even the tiniest shred of plausible deniability) then this probably wouldn't have gotten further than the local newspaper. Staging a chemical weapons attack on a nation you're not at war with goes a bit beyond the normal underhanded shit that most intelligence services get up to.

>>572953

>Russian Defector (i.e. traitor)

oh wow. I don't know if you're a putinfag posing as a brit, or have really drunk that much Kool-Aid, but we wouldn't have won the cold war without defectors helping to fuck Russia. Do you Putinfags even care about freedom? and I mean, actual freedom as in liberty. not "liberated from oppression" freedom you 3rd worlders experience.

>>572957

CHEMICAL WEAPONS WEEEEEEEE HE POISONED MY SPY WEEEEEEE they didn't even get a poison permit WEE WEE WEE WEE never forget the 6 gorrilion ppms of poison released into our smog, it's like the blitz all over again

>>572958

Not a putinfag, read the rest of my posts in this thread - retard. Defectors are traitors, they betray their own people and nation to serve the enemies of their people and nation.

>>572959

Wow, summer came early this year.

>>572960

>Not a putinfag, read the rest of my posts in this thread - retard. Defectors are traitors, they betray their own people and nation to serve the enemies of their people and nation.

they "betray" the government and expose their secrets, you statist piece of shit.

>>572961

>you statist piece of shit

I shouldn't be surprised to meet a Burger with no concept of loyalty.

>>572960

>>572962

haha

>>572759

translation:

>We were involved with the attack, because it could lead to WWIII we will admit the attack was a false flag

>>572968

Again, if the UK/USA wanted Skripal dead then why would they use an experimental Russian nerve toxin rather than having him shot, stabbed, blown up, hit by a car, or just disappeared?

>>572969

To make a big deal about it and blame Russia on it, you absolute retard

>>572972

Whether or not Russia actually did it, Russia has done nothing wrong. There is nothing wrong with using chemical weapons

>>572974

Excuse me, my ID changed. I am 87a7b5

>>572951

>>572953

1. Being mad over Jews getting called out

2. Nazis are bad

3. Syria should be destroyed

Hmmm what (((mysterious))) group in the world most thinks like this….

Look at how it recoils, how it shrinks back, I've been found out! it shrieks.

Also

>things that never happened

>the greentext

lol

>>572969

>why would they use an experimental Russian nerve toxin

A) Not conclusively proven.

B) Why would Russia? Why would they do any of this bullshit?

Skripal knew jack shit about Russia, he didn't have access to actionable intelligence since 2001, and he was in fact RELEASED FROM A RUSSIAN PRISON AND SENT TO LIVE IN UK. The fuck would they kill him? Let alone with an experimental nerve agent they don't even have stockpiles of.

By the way?

UK produces and stockpiles Novichok.

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-british-governments-russia-nerve-agent-claims-are-bullshit-a69b4ee484ce

>>572972

>he's the head of a foreign power that profits from your loss

And Britain is not a foreign power that profits from other nations loss…. except for the last thousand years or so.

>Even if NATO wanted their former asset dead

Not NATO, we are talking about UK specifically.

Britain is afraid of America and Russia agreeing on anything because it might ruin the extra Special Relationship between US and UK.

Every time Russia and America sign a ceasefire or lower hostilities in Syria, magically some chemical weapons from Britain make their way into terrorist hands, who gas an apartment building of civilians, and UK media goes into overdrive blaming Assad and demanding America take him out.

UK also started Maidan in Ukraine to cut Russian gas ties to Germany, hence ending any possibility of friendly relations between Russia and Germany.

>>572974

>Whether or not Russia actually did it

They did.

>>572986

>magically some chemical weapons from Britain make their way into terrorist hands, who gas an apartment building of civilians, and UK media goes into overdrive blaming Assad and demanding America take him out.

I'd actually be quite happy if I knew that the British government was responsible for the variety of false flag gas attacks in Syria, at the very least it would mean that those fuckwits in Westminster are actually able to do something productive. However, this is not something that seems remotely likely. Who are the White Helmets? Who do they answer to? What would they and their handlers have to gain from trying to false flag the US into dethroning Assad?

If you're just getting a rage dump out of your system then don't let me stop you, but if you're looking to be taken seriously then maybe try dialling back the crazy a little bit.

>And Britain is not a foreign power that profits from other nations loss…. except for the last thousand years or so.

Or just keep A FUCKING LEAFing, I suppose it's what you're good at.

>>572988

>I'd actually be quite happy if I knew that the British government was responsible for the variety of false flag gas attacks in Syria

Which is the entire point

UK has the motive, destruction of relations between america and russia. UK has the means, the novichok scientists and chem weapons stockpiles. UK has the opportunity, given that Skripal lived in UK.

Meanwhile Russia has no motive, Skripal was irrelevant to them. Russia has no means as OPCW confirmed the destruction of their stockpiles. Russia has no opportunity, they had no access to Skripal and would have to carry out the deed past UK law enforcement.

>What would they and their handlers have to gain from trying to false flag the US into dethroning Assad?

Is this a serious question?

>>572988

>What would they and their handlers have to gain from trying to false flag the US into dethroning Assad?

>

>>572995

>UK has the means, the novichok scientists and chem weapons stockpiles

>Multiple reports at least found a likely link to Russia

>"NOT CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN!"

>Some blog tier speculation about Britain producing Soviet era experimental nerve agents

>"MEANS MOTIVE AND OPPORTUNITY, GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!!!!!!"

It's always a shame when you see someone trying to justify their nonsense.

>Is this a serious question?

Was that?

>>572999

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