/k/ - Weapons

>>571486

I think the best we can do (without wizard powered surveillance assets and weapons) is guaranteed second strike capabilities from submarines or 24/7 air patrol.

>>571486

Boy, nukes sure are messy.

They can hit them in midair, but it still will make a mess.

Prevent them from being used in the first place.

>>571486

>Infiltrate a country's culture,

>change their political elite to a bribable bunch,

>at the same time fund anti-war dogma within the country,

>push cultural change for Nuclear disarmament.

>Rinse and repeat until country no longer has the will to use, refurbish or maintain their nuclear arsenal, making them unreliable in a time of war

<Bonus round

>Fund 3rd world country militias to fight against the country you don't like

>bog them down in a war noone wants

>use tools stated above to push for less military funding

>keep them fighting ceaseless wars so their technology never progresses past their current generation while you have a decent buildup

<Extra Bonus Round

>if you have been doing this for the past 50 years you may have officiers indoctrinated by your counterculture in their military

>make them corrupt as shit with military projects so they overspend and nothing gets chosen

>make them fund wunderwaffen projects out the ass to the point they keep the same hardware for longer than is needed

>this keeps them not only in the current generation but makes most, if not all all, hardware inoperable

>>571501

/thread

Decentralize your industry and spread everything out. Build underground.

>>571486

literally who cares? Run the numbers yourself my friend, take the apex of nuclear warheads in stock during the height of the cold war and compare them with the number of military targets that have to be fired at more than once. then compare what's left with military targets that need to be fired at atleast once, then divide what's left of the nuclear arsenal between; EMP, defensive use, and every major city in the west or east (depending who you're calculating for). After doing all that you will see that compared to what many people believe and report will happen during a nuclear conflagration, actual damage dealt to the fabric of society is very little. actual damage from nuclear war will only be perceptible to the average person in the western world in; an increase in cancer, rising food prices, environmental changes, terrifying news reports from london/washington/paris, contingency laws changing the legal landscape of their country. No side has enough nukes to actually obtain the mutually assured destruction that said sides may or may not believe they have. to actually answr your question however, yes, there are infact many realistic ways to defend against nuclear weapons. there are however no ways to defend against an entire salvo, and that is why so many nukes get double and more commonly tripled up in their targeting schemes.

>>571486

Either have significantly more nukes or infiltrate the education system of your opponent and slowly teach each generation to be more and more anti-nuke until the country willingly abandons them.

>>571486

Have nukes of your own.

>>571486

Be Turkish

Nukes won't affect you.

>>571561

Have a (You) for your excellent post and rare flag, my Rwandan brother

>>571571

I'm not actually Rwandan I'm a Rhodesian Exile selling arms to Rwandans so they can kill each other

>>571505

Israel, cheeky

They can be shot down. It won't be perfect, the bomber always gets through, but good interception systems and a robust civil defense system will ensure those outside the immediate blast zones will have a very good chance of seeing tomorrow.

>>571515

In addition to this, a nuclear exchange will not be country versus country. Sure China could dump all of its nuclear weapons on the US and slow us down, except now they're all out of nukes and have to deal with the militaries of the rest of the Western world including nuclear capable UK and France. So take the number of nukes, remove a sizeble chunk that got blown up in the atmosphere, you'll probably have some fail due to technical issues, now take the remainder and divide it up among not only viable targets in the US but also those in most of western Europe.

>>571486

DUM DUM

DIDDLE DUM DUM

DIDDLE DUM DUM

>>571601

Highly effective for preventing casualties due to flying debris and roof collapse in the moderate and light damage blast zones.

>>571573

You're doing God's work Strelok.

>defend

I don't know. I don't think so unless you can create some manner of flak barrage using nukes, you know, since anti-ballistic missile systems can't really deal with that multiple warhead problem. Admittedly it wouldn't be realistic option at all.

Attack is best defense though, so you just have attack and kill your enemy, completely unprovoked so that they can't attack you with that much force later should things escalate.

>>571486

Not piss off the people who own them. Otherwise the only option is placing anti-missile point defense systems along every country with nukes, and that would be considered an act of war.

>muh nukes

god damn this fucking reddit meme needs to go away.

no one is about to throw away their GDP over some sand pit fight. fucking retards. i wish it though.

The most effective way to stop inbound nukes is to fire a nuclear missile at the incoming missile and detonate when they are very close.

The moment someone even begins to invent a realistic way to defend against nukes, every country that has nukes will launch them.

It's use them or lose them.

>>571515

OK a few dozen nukes for EMP, shut down the entire western power grid, wipe every one and zero in every bank, and send us to the dark age for months.

A couple of hundred nukes in every major port and sea lock prevents imports and sea travel. Given the fact that we're a global society, a factory for a lightbulb filament is on one continent, while the factory for the socket is on the other continent, and the mine for resources are on a third continent… suddenly industry has to be restarted from scratch. No sea-locks and sea travel becomes ten times more difficult. No West protecting sea travel, piracy and opportunism by state actors resumes. We're probably going to slip back into mercantilism if not feudalism, and the rest of the world will follow. Hell most of it depends on us directly for aid and defense of their borders.

Worse yet no oil, fertilizer, food, medical care, or parts needed to repair the power grid. Making dark age status last years instead of months…. and introducing famine and disease not seen since the medieval ice age and black plague. Given the masses of people in cities and no access of food, people will have to resort to cannibalism to survive. At that point a nuke dropping on a megacity would be a blessing.

We haven't even hit 500 nukes yet already its hell on earth, and there are over ten thousand nukes.

People who shrug off nukes should be shot dead on sight, their stupidity makes them a danger to themselves and to the rest of us.

>>571594

>a sizeble chunk that got blown up in the atmosphere

With what? ABM doesn't work.

>>571505

Why are you in Trinidad?

>>573478

>hurr you should be shot for disagreeing wid me

>leaf

makes sense, you do realize most nukes aren't big enough to actually make a port unusable right? and that the larger bombs are for bunker busting and prestige targets right? but of course you don't since you seem to think that a nation inventing nuke-proofing will result in some kind of international nuclear free for all. i mean, did you even proof read your post? the main reason we dont have great plagues is because of preventative sanitation, not fucking cures and treatments. and what in the fuck are you talking about no oil? even europe produces enough oil and fertilizer on its own to support agriculture, especially when you factor in contingency laws which allow government to ration. the main fucking reason europe has all the food is because we mine a shit ton of fertilizer chemicals from within europe. also where the fuck is this 10k nukes figure coming from? do you actually think there are 14 thousand warheads capable of intercontinental reach? such a deceitful position, even if you factor in an exchange between russia+china vs USA the actual deliverable nukes is still sub 4k. again why is the scenario in your mind a giant global battle royale of nukes? who benefits? and even then major ports dont mean shit, most major ports handle mainly bulk consumer goods, its the minor ports which handle the transfer of industrial supplies and raw materials. Theres so much wrong with your reply im baffled trying to respind to it all. do you even know how useless explosions are at destroying factory machinery? just because it's a nuke doesn't mean that everything in the radius of damage gets vaped, only a very small area (the size of one large factory) gets vaporized to the point it cant be salvaged from.

>>571486

Nope. There isn't. The US doesn't actually have any sort of effective ICBM deterrent or defence, especially against MIRV type weapons. Once a missile is in the air, it's all over and there is no realistic way to stop it.

>>573663

What about the casaba howitzers DARPA looked into?

>>573650

>hurr guys we should put cyanide in food randomly

>that is a dumb idea and you should be shot for suggesting it

>durr omg how dare you its just a different idea!

Your disagreement has a good chance of killing me, so yeah I'd rather you die first.

As for the rest…. a 15kt nuke didn't just wreck a port, it wrecked a major port CITY in world war two. Hiroshima was a massive embarkation port, and Nagasaki was one of the largest shipbuilding centers in Japan. Both irradiated into uselessness for more than a generation, it wasn't until 1966 that they rebuilt the city. The nukes in use by world powers start at 10x that and go up to 100x that.

STAY IN SCHOOL.

>>573683

>STAY IN SCHOOL.

I get the sentiment but subjecting someone to more public education is going to have the opposite effect.

>>573683

>muh paper city

>muh contagious radiation

prove there was damage to the actual docks, from which cargo actually flows. prove that you cant just wait a week and flush the cesium into the ocean. also it's good to know your still a lying faggot.

>not being worried about a global cynanide fight is the same as wanting to eat cyanide immediately

nothing you've said discounts my positions. all larger bombs will be used on national capitols, nuke bases, and deep facilities. all lesser bombs will be used on active military assets to prevent or aid invasion. there will not be random plagues, no one will starve, the deterrence to nuclear war was never MAD but instead the prospect of continuation war. if you're terified of life after nukes you should kill yourself now, they exist, they will be used and they dont give a shit how scary you think they are.

>>571486

Have your nuke-capable enemies' economies financially dependent upon you. No politician is going to knowingly shoot himself in the wallet, and his local interest groups will shoot him in the head if he's stupid enough to try.

>>573811

They were studies written in the 1910s that said a large war in Europe is impossible, because all countries are economically interdependent.

>>573522

I was born here tbqhf

Why the weird question?

Effective civil defense would neutralize much of the effect of a nuclear strike. It would make the cost of retaliation too high to initiate a first strike.

Obligatory wargame RD shitpost

Someone explain the steel division joke because I don't play it

Fucking can't embed hooktube for some reason.

>>574173

Unit spam if I recall.

What about some kind of drone… on a missile? The done basically saws the crap out of the missile with some or complete human guidance and either redirects the missile or disables the warhead.

>>571512

Also this.

>>574201

Polite sage, but… my idea would have absolutely no bearing on hyper-velocity gliders.. but maybe on some of the older missiles.

>>571491

while we have the capability it's not all that likely that we'd actually succeed in hitting them midair. We fail on testing somewhat regularly and that's when we know when and where they're coming from. Let alone if they came from a surprise attack.