814677 No.567747
Hey everyone just got myself an AR (my first one) and don't know a whole lot about the world of upgrading it. I have a STAG ARMS STAG-15 with a Samson Star-C floating rail. Just would like to know what I can put on my hand guard rail. What can and cannot fit, what is a good quality name to look for in attachments (grips, flashlights, lasers, and sights). Anything that would really make it better for home defense. I have been shooting since I was 6 so I know a bit more than the average person just the AR platform is new to me so any other insight would be helpful. Thanks.
dd256b No.567748
814677 No.567749
Ok lets be serious now hahaha.
04565f No.567750
If it's M LOK like in the pic look into Magpul's line of attachments. M1913 picatinny on the top. Don't buy a poorfag optic, get an aimpoint or Trijicon. You won't regret it
04565f No.567751
Oh and lights, Surefire or Streamlight. Can't go wrong with either. Inforce is OK too.
603a06 No.567752
>>567747
High capacity clips, silencer and bump fire stock are top tier.
fc1a03 No.567753
Expanded fully semi-automatic-capable clipazines are great.
>>567748
I think Sam Hyde attachment is better.
a7cb7f No.567754
>>567749
Attachments a shit. Pry off the rail and get a damn good pair of irons.
814677 No.567756
Yea probably should have just put an actual picture of what I have.
814677 No.567757
>>567754
I love iron sights don't get me wrong but I don't like them for when some thing goes a bump in the night in my house and its dark. I feel like they would just be hard to see. Irons are great during the day though!
814677 No.567758
>>567752
Magazine sir and those bump stocks don't interest me at all I feel like I would just shoot like shit moving the gun around so much to bump fire it.
ee09eb No.567761
>>567752
<High capacity clips
mags
<silencer
suppressor
<bump fire stock
gay
<are top tier.
kys nigger
ee09eb No.567762
>>567758
I've got a Stag they are very nice, except that the gas key isn't properly staked. You can easily stake it yourself with a spring-loaded punch tool.
814677 No.567763
>>567762
what issues does that cause if it isn't "staked"? I am not really sure what that means.
814677 No.567764
>>567761
I'm betting he was just bating haha.
a7cb7f No.567766
>>567757
>I don't like them for when some thing goes a bump in the night in my house and its dark
Illuminate your house so that the demons do not bother you, and if all else fails get some proper NV equipment, instead of going halfway with some stupid scope.
814677 No.567767
>>567766
I like what you did there hahaha. What would you recommend?
ee09eb No.567768
>>567763
Two screws hold on the gas key to the top of the bolt, and if they are not properly staked they can work loose. Staking just means using a hard pointy tool to smush the metal where the screw and the gas key come together, and this prevents the screw from rotating loose.
Don't sweat the damage to the key, it and the screws are easy/cheap service items.
0bb1d6 No.567769
Gtfo this board normalfaggot.
814677 No.567770
>>567768
Ok i'll look into it a bit more. Thanks for the insight.
4311ca No.567771
>>567747
>>567747
get the magpul vertical grip, the one fitting the picatinny rail
get a streamlight, 1,000 lumens preferably, which also needs picatinny
what >>567751 says: don't go cheap on your optic. Get Eotech, Aimpoint, or Trijicon. Ignore the brouhaha about Eotech, unless you plan on fighting in -50 or 140+ degree climates, and all illuminated recticles drift in those conditions, eotech got chewed out just because they said their's absolutely did not, which it does, in truly extreme temperatures.
476e5b No.567772
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You must have 2 things: sling and flashlight. Imho best reasonably priced light is Surefire G2X Tactical and sling SOB B-Sling.
After you spend your money on them you can purchase an optic. Affordable optics with good reputation are Holosun and Primary Arms
9f5395 No.567774
All this recent,undoubtedly genuine,histeria over firearms has got me thinking.Community representatives should get together with 2A enthusiasts and arrange monthly field trips from their local schools to europe,so kids and teens get to learn proper firearm handling and the adults get the closest they can to combat situations without having to sign up,despite the complete disarmament of european countries,the EU,in their magnanimous wisdom,have set up some kickass urban shooting ranges,you got vehicles,moving targets and last but not least,the ability to see how you fare in a life and death situation,full experience guarenteed.
Tourism increases in key european cities,Happy meals get to learn gun safety which should please the bleeding hearts,Big macs get to blow off some much needed steam,and Burger-Yuro relationships will definitely improve,sure maybe not political ones but social relationships between the countrys populace definitely would.
Seems like an all around good move,petition when.
4311ca No.567775
>>567772
you can use those things, but the Eotech, Trijicon and Aimpoint are way, way nicer.
You're already spending 200 dollars, just spend a little more and get the better optic.
814677 No.567776
>>567772
Yeah i have no idea about slings to be honest I will for sure look into this one thanks.
The optics are a lower priority for me until I get proper attachments for comfort and lighting. The Irons on it now do just fine for me.
9f5395 No.567777
>>567774
Meant to sage obviously,my mistake.
814677 No.567778
>>567771
Yeah I was looking at the Magpul grips. I just am not sure on if I would want a short, medium, or long vertical grip. Also what is the difference with the slightly angled ergo grips?
814677 No.567779
>>567774
Yeah I agree with teaching more about guns rather than making them seems like an evil objects. We could save so many more lives with education rather than trying to get everything banned.
a7cb7f No.567780
>>567767
I recommend whatever you can find that is "closest to home". You'll get quality wherever you look, so long as it's not out of a newspaper ad. Just look to the specs, and make sure it reads solid.
cfd22a No.567781
>quadrail
>not even freefloated
Absolutely disgusting. Trashes your erogonomics in exchange for 100 attachment points you'll, at most, use 4 of (light, laser, sling point, front BUIS) all at the very front.
>home defense
Light, absolute get a light. A good sling+mounts helps hold someone at gunpoint and is good for general purposes.
For non-home use, grab this stuff
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1918299524/military-surplus-alice-load-bearing-vest-lbv-nylon-woodland-camouflage
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/916117/military-surplus-alice-pistol-belt-kit-with-m12-holster-grade-2-olive-drab-large
off Midway
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1918241989/military-surplus-alice-3-magazine-pouch
(maybe two of the last)
Then grab two of these
https://www.amazon.com/Cover-Water-Canteen-LC-2-1Quart/dp/B00A13XIN2/
and some canteens (new production)
Now you can hold your gear. Look out for an ALICE pack and an under belt.
476e5b No.567782
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>>567775
PA MD-ADS: 50k hours of battery life, fogproof, waterproof, NVG compatible $170.
Aimpoint T2 $750
293fa8 No.567783
>>567747
Nothing rifle is fine.
814677 No.567784
>>567781
I actually do have a free floating rail on there the Samson STAR-C. I agree I will need a light so I that I can determine if its the threat in my house or my mother down the hall way in a shit hits the fan type home invasion. I doubt it will ever happen but I want to be prepared.
a7cb7f No.567786
>>567783
This. I swear to god, the merchants come out of the woodwork, when you ask about attachments. A sling is of course mandatory, but I would consider that simple equipment, rather than an attachment.
814677 No.567790
>>567786
What is better for home defense a two-point or single-point sling?
a2d7bc No.567791
>>567747
The Child-Shooter mod. You can mow down 867 kids per minute.
a7cb7f No.567792
>>567790
Try both on, and feel which is more comfortable for you. Single points are interesting, and I've been wanting to try one on myself. Can't go wrong with the old fashioned belt loop, though.
cfd22a No.567794
>>567790
Two point. Single point's only advantage is it's easier to make a weapon accept, which is non-existant on modern rifles.
c0703c No.567797
>>567790
Single-points are largely useless outside of submachine guns, get a two point.
476e5b No.567798
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>>567790
The only advantage single point sling has is that it's easier to shoot from other shoulder without choking yourself… something that can be accomplished with 2 point sling by wearing it like a lanyard. Soo there's really no use for single point sling
814677 No.567801
>>567798
That makes a lot of sense to me. Looks like I will be looking at 2-points.
427ee5 No.567806
>>567757
>>567758
>>567764
>>567767
>>567749
Real fucking obvious you don't belong here. Let me guess, you went /r/t_D>4/pol/>8/pol/>8/k/ ? You faggots are the reason board quality has been fucking atrocious for the last month. The new boss strelok isn't aggressive enough in his board enforcement.
814677 No.567808
>>567806
How do I not belong here? No I didn't go to /r/ I asked a buddy who said to ask on here. I don't see any problem asking for advice from a community that enjoys and knows about firearms. I am new to the AR platform i'm just looking for advice and insight so you can lay off there bud.
476e5b No.567812
>>567806
Ignore him, anon. He's just mad that he can't own it.
814677 No.567814
>>567812
You're probably right. Thanks man.
42a9f7 No.567815
I don't want to sound like a shill but I personally use Magpul stocks and handguards on my AK's and they've held up excellently, I currently have a Magpul AFG on. I recommend getting good at iron sights like the other anon suggested before investing in any kind of optic, just so you know your rifle well. A2 flash hider is a pretty good all around muzzle device from what I've heard, and you can stick a suppressor on there once you pay the $200 good goyim fee. Best of luck to you anon.
814677 No.567816
>>567815
Yeah I like the look of Magpul stocks personally maybe ill pick one up this summer. I agree getting good with the irons too like you said to get to know the rifle better an optic is low priority at the moment. Thanks for your opinion man.
476e5b No.567821
>>567815
>I recommend getting good at iron sights like the other anon suggested before investing in any kind of optic
If you've never driven a car would you rather practice on one with manual or automatic transmission? When you have a rifle there are already many thing you have to practice. Why not make a life easier with optic before switching to irons?
377314 No.567823
>>567781
Quad rails aren't all that shit. Yes they're heavy but are retard strong compared to the thin modular rails and also have the sharp ass rail grooves that can act as grip. With that said the classic two piece plastic handguard set with a rail section bolted on or even the magpul will be lighter and will deal with heat better than any metal handguard. but if you don't want to kludge toomuch shit on the all you really need is the sling swivel on the gas block, some kind of light mount. If you just can't live without a forward grip of some kind then another rail section on the bottom side for whatever (which most likely won't be needed with the classic handguards as it has a gradual taper making it less awkward to angle your wrist).
a7cb7f No.567824
>>567821
>if you've never driven a car would you rather practice on one with manual or automatic transmission
>this somehow equates to using ironsights to hone aiming versus relying on scopes to take simple shots
Fuck scopes. Only fed patsies and edgy teenagers need such worthless toys for hunting game and politicians.
476e5b No.567825
>>567824
You can't possibly argue that irons are as fast as red dots
42a9f7 No.567826
>>567821
I learned on a manual so I knew the fundamentals of driving, and so I knew how to drive manual if I ever needed to in the future. Same applies to firearms. If you understand how to index iron sights and use them effectively, you will be more effective with an optic, and you have the benefit of being able to pick up any rifle and understand the sights.
a7cb7f No.567829
891614 No.567830
>Attachments
Iron sights and a small under barrel light. You can pick up a light and ring for it for all of 7.50 bucks in american.
If you are a leftist of any kind, attach also a dildo to the barrel, fuck yourself, and pull the trigger.
2abd50 No.567832
>>567790
They have different uses. Single-point is for if you're actively using the rifle, two-point is for carrying it comfortably on your back. Ideally, you would get a sling that can be used as either; Fagpul makes a couple of these, the premium option being the MS4 sling. I want to get one of those, a stock with a QD mount, and a QD mount to go on the rail for full one-to-two-point functionality with quick, convenient conversion and/or detachment.
If you're low on cash and just want a sling, get a basic two point.
476e5b No.567835
>>567826
Shooting with irons is harder than with red dot. Accuracy may be good on the range but in actual fight speed is more important. Ready up drills > nice grouping.
>>567829
Lining up iron sights vs red dot on target
a7cb7f No.567836
>>567830
>small under barrel light
>not wearing nv goggles
2ed656 No.567840
>>567756
how much did it cost to get it? i was about to buy an cheapass 400 dollar DPMS but then parkland happened and trump betrayed everyone. the prices on ar15s are 100 dollars more expensive now.
891614 No.567843
>>567836
I'm sure if you wanted to go 26 dimensional skinwalker hunting you could attach 3 NVs on top of each other with a thermal out your peripherals and a digi-sight on your penis but we're just talking about a minimal set up here.
31addc No.567844
>>567808
Don't worry about anons like that, anybody's welcome here, no need to lurk.
Have you thought about trying one of these bad boys out?
a7cb7f No.567845
>>567835
How many milliseconds difference are we talking about here?
>>567843
Wasting your fucking gun bucks on cheap chinese flashlights and nv scopes is not par for a minimal setup. Your setting yourself up for fucking failure. That's what.
RIFLE IS FINE
814677 No.567859
>>567840
I bought it off of a friend of a friend for $725. I got three mags and 60 rounds with it as well. I shot it the other day it shot great. When I cleaned it I saw no warning signs so I got a good deal on it. I checked the website for around how much it would cost and it looks like around 1k.
814677 No.567862
>>567826
to be honest I have been using iron sights my whole life with the occasional hunting rifles I have with a longer range scope. My Rugger 10-22 and my SKS are all bare bones. Now that I have my AR I was hoping to make it to where I can defend the house as comfortably and with the most advantages that don't kill the functionality of the gun.
0bb1d6 No.567863
File: 1e0d016223472f0⋯.mp4 (Spoiler Image, 8.48 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, 1e0d016223472f0fd2409836f8….mp4)
Here you go new friend :^]!
476e5b No.567868
>>567845
>How many milliseconds difference are we talking about here?
Enough to be the difference between life and death
814677 No.567872
>>>>567863
Thanks really needed that one hahaha!
814677 No.567874
>>567868
I have heard dot sights are much faster. I recently went to a gun range and noticed if I was off just a little bit it still went to where the dot was rather if I was off on irons it would be much farther off target.
476e5b No.567886
>>567874
Yeah that's why every competition shooter is using them. They are way faster than iron sights.
a7cb7f No.567888
>>567862
>I was hoping to make it to where I can defend the house as comfortably and with the most advantages that don't kill the functionality of the gun
That is most achievable by having your advantages be on yourself, rather than your gun. Instead of needing to look through the scope for vision in the night, use goggles so that you can see the night all around. That allows you to use iron sights instead of having to attach something more on to your weapon, which will only make it more of a burden.
>>567868
Enough to make the other guy not just shoulder-fire you to death before you even get up to the reticle? Because he's about to do that, too.
476e5b No.567892
>>567888
>Because he's about to do that, too.
Which is why I said that speed is more important than accuracy
>>567835
a7cb7f No.567908
>>567889
>>567891
>>567892
Yet shoulder-fire is obviously much quicker than bothering to at least get the reticle up to eye-level. At any rate, you might as well integrate the grip and stock for hip-fiyah, which is doubly quicker.
427ee5 No.567911
>>567814
>>567812
>you can't own an ar15 in Australia (False, actually)
>that's why you're so angry lol, trolled hard XDDDDD
You get this dumb cunt posting his 'hahahahaha' bullshit constantly and using exclamation marks all over the place it's clear he is from fucking reddit or god knows where else.
https://www.reddit.com/search?q=site%3A8ch.net&restrict_sr=&sort=relevance&t=all
Look at that fucking bullshit. Thousands and thousands of upvotes on links to 8ch. You whine about /pol/ being shit but then defend these faggots that make it shit in the first place.
>>567872
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The future of /k/, traps and gentlemen.
2076cf No.567912
>>567911
It's pretty ironic that this thread is made by a complete newfag and still has better firearms discussion than half the catalog.
5cdd5c No.567913
>>567911
>he doesn't type Strelok into the name field before every post
906533 No.567914
>>567911
Chill out faggot and go get your CatD
427ee5 No.567916
>>567912
True, but it's like saying Indians are better than Somalis, it is still a shit thread.
adb19b No.567917
>>567914
>he doesn't even have his Cat-E
Do you even work for ASIO?
427ee5 No.567919
>>567917
>being on /k/
>not being a federal agent
067ecc No.567978
>>567778
Forward grips all come down to shooter comfort. If you're not sure what to get, hold your rifle as though it had the different grips and see what's most comfortable.
891614 No.568156
>>567845
I attached a knockoff cree flashlight to my 44 magnum rifle one day and did a day's worth of shooting. Held up fine, still using it today. Consider that the only thing I'm talking about is outlaying versus everyone else an extra ten dollars maximum for a 1000 lumen flashlight that takes common batteries and lets you see in the dark with your rifle.
a7cb7f No.568161
>>568156
Instead of putting useless shit to weigh down your rifle, you could've spent some money on an NV device that would make you look operator as fuck. Fucking think about this shit, man.
c0703c No.568173
>>568161
>hear bump in the night
>grab raifu
>hit flashlight button
>start defending property
vs
>hear bump in the night
>grab NV goggles
>remove lens covers/take goggles out of drawer/take goggles out of case, because you need to protect the lens coating
>fiddle with the strap as you try and get them on
>fumble a bit more as you try and find the 'on' switch
>hear a crash as some pottery breaks downstairs
>NV finally turned on, grab rifle
>head downstairs
>see small pack of vibrant urban youths have almost finished culturally enriching your television and are nearly out the door
>bring up rifle to show them your 1337 oper8r skillz
>accidentally knock sight against your goggles the first time you cheekweld
>no biggie, try again
>get a proper cheekweld and fire at one of them
>his accomplices freak out and start hooting
>in his panicked state one of them shines his flashlight into your eyes
>between that and your muzzle flashes the auto-gating comes on and you can barely see anything
>you fire wildly in your blinded state as the nogs make off with your stuff
And that's not even getting into the expense of NV that has a high enough revolution to be useful, plus the expense of an NV-compatible red-dot. Flashlights are simple, cheap, and they work just fine.
a7cb7f No.568180
>>568173
>not being operator enough to properly use your nvd
Might as well argue with me how if I use a bump stock that I will automatically be incapable of burst fire.
adb19b No.568181
>>568173
>Waah! NVGs are too hard for me!
Stick with your Fuddlight if you want, but you won't even see me, or an operator like >>568180 when the time comes. Just know it's nothing personnel kid.
a7cb7f No.568182
>>568181
I am dead serious, you cunt. None of that fudd-tier "flash yer light at em and look at em go" bullshit works. You're gonna get raped. Wear NVGs, and operate properly.
c0703c No.568183
>>568182
You're not a real operator unless you can competently defend your property with a Dreyse needle gun.
f0762b No.568184
>>568182
Not choosing the chaos option:
>equips NVG's
>oper8's downstairs to where the enemy is culturally enriching your living room
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>blast 6,000,000 lumen light at the offending turdburglars
>everybody blinded.
>proceed to spray'n'pray with your fully semi-automatic clipazine fed ghost gun
>throw flashbang because fuck you
>Windows blow out.
>enrichment team tries to escape, gets cut down by shards of glass and random instances of lead.
>Everybody's dead.
>go back to bed. Move out. Repeat.
891614 No.568187
>>568182
>Guys, nobody in their right mind ever uses a flashlight to find out what's wrong, especially when they've got a gun
a7cb7f No.568194
>>568187
Christ, anon. You might as well use a shotgun for self-defense. Just because it's the most common does not make it the most competent.
345001 No.568351
what a shitfest of a thread
>>568181
>NVG's
>not a total meme outside of hunting skinwalkers
smh tbh famalamadingdong
ba1981 No.568407
Don't forget to get the Can Cannon!
5d8c35 No.568409
>using NVs or flashlights
>not just shooting an ILLUM rifle grenade into your living room
a7cb7f No.568427
>>568351
>turn lights on
>remove goggles
Again, if you're really afraid of the darkies, spotlight the shit out of your house like it's the last stand of humanity.
c0703c No.568440
>>568409
>using any kind of assistance
>not keeping your house pitch black at all times to maximize night vision
>not memorizing the exact position of every piece of furniture in your home
>not filling the hallways with Home Alone-tier traps which you deftly walk around
0fa0b0 No.568678
You're going to love one of these slings:
https://littlecreektrading.com/stupid-slings/
I like iron sights, magpul MBUS.
I'm building a 20 inch w mlok right now but my HD/range/everyday/SHTF is a stock colt "m4" the LE6920 I prefer simplicity over tacticool.
You'll want a light. Whatever is bright and has good reviews, lots of options with this. Just make sure it is over 1 inch in size or it won't work with the little thing that mounts it to the rail on the gun.
Good shit OP, enjoy your AR and spent lots of time getting comfortable shooting it in every position, speed and range you possibly can.
e5b79d No.568732
>>568440
> filling the hallways with Home Alone-tier traps which you deftly walk around
Are you telling us that you haven't turned your home into an IED showroom, Strelok?
c0703c No.568733
>>568678
>colt
Do you also buy Beats headphones and wear Air Jordans?
c0703c No.568734
I would delete the last post and rewrite but dubs prevent me.
>>568732
My diorama of downtown London doesn't cover the whole house just quite yet, but it's getting there.
07923e No.568743
If it's for home defense get a .410 upper for it. Magazine load out should be first 3 rounds 000 buck, last 2 rounds slugs. Backyp magazines with the same loadout riding in tandem. Foregrip with integrated flashlight. Iron sights. Hang on to the original upper for range days/etc.
438103 No.568775
Can an ar fag help me out? I'm looking to buy one but don't know too much about custom builds. A guy would be willing to sell this build for 750, is this a good deal?
>Custom Billet PSA AR – low serial number, matching billet set, 16 inch socom mid length melonite 5.56 barrel, muzzle brake, upgraded grip, 15 inch lightweight free float rail, premium PSA CL and tested BCG, nickel boron EPT trigger, and magpul ACSL stock. The scope is a $300 brunton 1.5-5 CQB scope, just mounted on the gun, never been used or fired
c0703c No.568782
>>568775
>Custom Billet PSA AR
I have no idea what the hell the "custom" comes from, but PSA's receivers are generally okay. Not great, holes are sometimes a bit rough but serviceable. Billet isn't intrinsically better than forged, but the fact that milling a receiver is more expensive than forged will imply that quality is a little higher in other places as well, because it's a "premium" product
>16 inch socom mid length melonite 5.56 barrel
SOCOM barrels are heavier for no real benefit. Can't say anything definitive about it without knowing the manufacturer. If it's PSA be wary, they have QC issues with their barrels.
>muzzle brake
Generally speaking, muzzle brakes are obnoxious for everyone around you because they spew gas out laterally and increase the intensity of muzzle flash. The recoil-reducing benefits for 5.56 are minimal, because 5.56 isn't a hard-recoil round.
>upgraded grip
This means nothing. Could be anything from a MOE grip to some expensive-ass custom job (probably not the latter).
>15 inch lightweight free float rail
Free float is better than the alternative, ceteris parabus. He didn't mention m-lok or anything so it likely doesn't have it.
>PSA CL and tested BCG
PSA's BCGs are shit, avoid.
>nickel boron EPT
Actually not bad for what it is but there are better options.
>magpul ACSL stock
Also not bad if you want a tacticool stock with a nice cheekweld
Can't say much about the scope, and since it looks like Brunton isn't making rifle scopes anymore no one online is either. Overall, I'd say it's a so-so deal if you plan to use the scope, and are prepared to switch out either the barrel or the BCG if they start to act up.
f23a40 No.568789
Wood furniture, all else is secondary.
44b442 No.568795
>>568782
Woah, thanks for the breakdown! Just what I was looking for. Sounds like a so-so deal for 750 then.
I'm torn between buying a used ar, usually a custom build, or just getting a basic m&p sport or ruger. With the sport, I'd want to replace the handguard and put optics on, so I'm spending the same amount anyway. The problem is I just can't make sense of these guys' build descriptions because I don't know enough about the brands and parts.
c0703c No.568799
>>568795
You could always try building yourself. If you're patient and wait for the parts you want to go on sale it can end up being the same or cheaper than buying used, and you get exactly what you want on top of that. When I was putting my AR together I got subscriptions to the sale notifications for Primary Arms, PSA, righttobear, monmouth reloading, joe bob's, and a few other parts vendors and just waited for the right deals to come up. If you have the patience for this, I'd personally recommend it, because putting your own raifu together is a fun and informative experience. Also, remember that the market is still in something of a 'panic-buy' mode ever since the Florida thing and Trump's rhetoric about upping restrictions, and a lot of people are taking that opportunity to sell of parts of their collection for inflated prices. Parts vendors are taking advantage of this too, but only for lowers and complete rifles, not all the other parts. Once this shit blows over and Hogg's 15 minutes of fame dry up prices on lowers and complete rifles will go down again. Buying a starter rifle like the Ruger also works, because you can upgrade it as you go along and still get much of the experience that building your own will give you.
ea08cf No.568801
>>568799
Yeah, its hard not to get caught up in the panic buy mode with all the ballet initiatives floating around. Building one sounds fun, I work with wood alot and enjoy putting stuff together. I just need to study up on what parts have a good reputation, ect. AR parts are an intimidating market to start into.
I like the idea of getting the ruger and upgrading as I go. *dumb question* but do those entry level rifles have proprietary shit or is it easy to swap parts in and out?
c0703c No.568804
>>568801
It's not hard to swap parts at all. In fact, since "entry level" for ARs pretty much means "mil-spec", the budget builds will always be upgrade-friendly; sometimes moreso than more expensive, special snowflake guns with piston systems, or custom-billeted receivers, or what have you.
377314 No.568806
>>568782
>>568775
>low serial number
Honestly means nothing in the AR world assuming it's not some limited run collectors meme rifle or some C&R colt sp-1 and no PSA is not making collectors shit at least ones people will give a fuck about.
>15 inch lightweight free float rail
I'm not sure but just in the interest of peace of mind ask if it's some in house PSA thing or it was made by some other well known company like troy, midwest, or yankee hill. If it's made in house check the barrel nut with a magnet if possible. When barrel nuts are made of aluminum you'll want chunky fat fucks usually but steel SHOULD not always be more durable. I'd usually only trust yankee hill style fat aluminum barrel nuts as opposed to some other brands but just know that if it is yankee hill it will most likely need a special tool to remove it which is about $30.
CHECK THE FUCKING LOW PROFILE GAS BLOCK BOTH WITH A MAGNET AND FOR DIMPLES NEXT TO THE SET SCREWS FOR PROPER STAKING IF HE SAYS RED LOCK TIGHT WAS USED TAKE THAT SHIT OFF AND STAKE IT PROPERLY OR ELSE YOU GET A BOLT ACTION RIFLE IN ABOUT 1000 ROUNDS OR LESS
>If it's PSA be wary, they have QC issues with their barrels.
Doesn't PSA source their barrels from FN?
>PSA's BCGs are shit, avoid
You should see some radical firearms bolts. A swap of the bolt itself should do it as it is a part people should have on back up. As for the carrier itself it should be fine, just check for MiM marks almost looks like those round plastic casting marks on toys and is generally considered shit for parts dealing with shearing(?) type of movement not too sure take with a big ass salt pill. PSA has flipped between good and shit for several years could also be people buying the mystery unbranded shit or more likely PSA being lazy when it comes to their phosphate BCGs marketed to poorfags just to give you a bigger "fuck you buy our silver shit" but their premium bolt line should be good, just check for
proper staking and even then just fire it till it breaks and replace as necessary.
>never been used or fired
look at the shell deflector for brass stains/discoloration or nicks, if there is nothing then it either is true or so low a round count he barely broke it in if at all.
>>568801
Ruger has a proprietary delta ring that makes the removal of the plastic hand guards easier but it should function with any armorers wrench. but honsetly you should invest in a light mount and picatinny rail section for the plastic hand guards classic or magpul style and buy ammo, a sling and a good optic (trijicon MRO ~$450, Aimpoint PRO ~$410 or CRO ~$390 or holosun/primary arms ~$120-210). Metal hand guards may look cool and certainly make your rifle shoot more accurately but you can still reliably hit targets ~300 yards away with the plastic while still being lighter and not burning your fingers after a bunch of mags. Free floats are cool but don't get caught up in the bullshit or else you end up buying for looks rather than what you would use it for. Seriously think about what you want to do with it or you'll end up like me and having 2 extra free float uppers but having no real use for them while wanting an old style dissiaptor with pencil barrel for the weight savings and late 80s early 90s radicool factor.
737f0c No.568809
>>568804
Nice, that sounds like the best deal. I like ruger anyway because of all the cowboy action revolvers they make.
377314 No.568810
>>568806
>Aimpoint CRO
sorry its actually ACO
737f0c No.568814
>>568806
Thanks for all the info. A lot of it is over my head for sure but another *dumb question,* what is the difference between putting the picitanny rail to replace the plastic, and the free float handguard? What makes the handguard free float vs. A different type of rail?
c0703c No.568836
>>568814
Free-floated handguards never touch the barrel at any point, and are mounted directly to the upper receiver using the barrel nut. Thus, the barrel appears to "float" within the handguard. The two-piece handguards are secured at the front end with a ring, that clamps on to the barrel just behind the gas block. This can cause inaccuracy because the more shit is hitting your barrel, the more you screw with barrel harmonics, and thus less consistent your shots. This can become exacerbated by the fact that the sling usually attaches right below gas block as well, so if you put tension on it you screw with barrel harmonics even more. Like >>568806 said, the difference really isn't noticeable within a couple hundred yards for the casual shooter. Another thing to consider is that almost all of the free float tubes out there are aluminum, which means they'll conduct heat and get hot. There are carbon fiber ones out there, but that shit's expensive.
377314 No.568848
>>568814
No I'm saying get a small bolt on pic rail for the plastic that will let you mount a flashlight like in the link.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003236059/gg-and-g-ufir-under-forend-integrated-rail-for-ar-15-rifle-and-m4-handguard-aluminum-matte
There are other smaller ones or you could even buy a rail section for those m-lok or key mod systems but drill holes on the plastic and kludge it on there. This will allow you to mount a flashlight (in my opinion the only real attachment needed if you could have only one). As for free float basically it's a way to prevent outside interference from fucking with your rifles barrel harmonics let the barrel do it's micro vibrations on its own don't try to stop it or else yo can cause your next shot to go off the point of aim for most people they will never see any real substantial difference especially if you're setting up a close range home defense/fuck off my property carbine as opposed to a marksmen rifle or bench rest shooter.
>TLDR BUY M-LOK FOR COOL GUY HAND GUARDS BUY QUAD RAILS TO BEAT PEOPLE TO DEATH WITH BY DROPPING IT ON THEM FROM WAIST HEIGHT OR AS AN IMPROMPTU CHEESE GRATER LIKE TORTURE DEVICE
Most free float hand guards these days are made for attaching crap all over it or configuring to whatever you want a thing to be placed at. It was basically the answer to guys getting tired of using hose clamps and zip ties to kludge shit on their plastics mostly fixed these days with magpul MOE hand guards or like in link bolt on pic rails for classic style so big fat fucking QUAD RAILS became a thing letting you slap shit all over the place. Down sides are that they're BIG FAT FUCKING QUAD RAILS up sides is that unlike other systems the only thing you need to worry about falling off your rifle from improper attachment it the pic mount on the item itself and they tend to be retard strong while having shard jagged edges that dig into your hand for better grip.
Soon after a solution for BIG FAT FUCKING QUAD RAILS being fucking heavy and huge came out and that was proprietary mounting systems like what LWRC still makes. It became the hot shit where you buy THEIR pic rail section and bolt it on using a tiny screw wherever you need a bit of rail and not everywhere. Its still gay because you end up with a big ol' rail chunk and whatever mount still adding size to the overall profile causing your object to jut out and also you need to buy their bullshit priced rail piece. People got tired of proprietary shit and it would cost too much for manufacturers to make their mounts for a specific companies dimensions so now KEYMOD and M-LOK became a thing. Both are competing systems that allow manufacturers to make an item using this semi universal mounting system allowing you to buy a pic rail section and place it where you need it or you could buy a direct attach mount for the item so you end up with only one item attaching to the rail and not going through two bolt on pieces (pic rail with (insert mount system here) to rifle then item to pic rail) while also lessening how much it juts out.
For whether or not you should buy M-LOK or KEY MOD you should probably stick with M-LOK. I haven't really seen makers of KM attachments letting up and many still support it but ML apparently hangs on better in a Gov't test where they basically just drop rifles and see if the things came loose. Either way always use thread locker on your screws even if you get some quick detach lever fancy thing.
0fa0b0 No.568873
>>568733
>Comparing a tried and true American manufacturer to niggertech vanity items
Fuck you.
5cdd5c No.568876
>>568873
>buying a gun for more than it's worth when there are better options out there for the same price because you just love ponies so damn much
He made an accurate comparison. You are paying for a rollmark.
0fa0b0 No.569052
>>568876
That's your opinion. I'm not a poorfag so I don't care.
9f9798 No.569054
>>569052
If you're a poorfag and you make shitty financial decisions like buying Colts, you're going to stay a poorfag all your life.
b231b5 No.569139
Since this appears to be the dedicated AR thread, any recommendations for a complete piston upper? The Adams Arms P1 seems to be the most economical one out there, I'd rather have the P2 but can't justify $900 on it. Anything else out there I haven't found yet? I'll be putting it on a stripped Anderson lower, LPK is tbd.
Also thinking about getting an ar10 lower to save for a later build, thought about picking up a 10mm lower for a pistol build. Should I get both or is 10mm a meme caliber?
c0703c No.569143
>>569139
>I'll be putting it on a stripped Anderson lower
Be careful, as >>559701 shows not all of them are good. Adams Arms are good as far as piston lowers go, but I have to ask, why go piston at all? The reliability issues of DI are a meme holdover from Vietnam. You're also going to make the cam pin gouge scores into your upper, and get slightly reduced accuracy from barrel harmonic fuckery. If you prefer a short-stroke piston gun anyways because of personal reasons, check out the 805 Bren or some other rifle designed from the ground up to be a piston gun.
10mm is a good meme, and should perform really well in a PCC/not-SBR package. Whether you get that or the AR-10 is personal preference. If you're buying plinking ammo both will cost about the same to shoot.
d4b84f No.569148
Get a tikki torch attachment.
b231b5 No.569149
>>569143
Goddamn that's nerve wracking. Any legit guides on checking the dimensions of a lower? As for why piston, no real reason aside from recommendations I've received from friends. Might just get the ar10 and ar10mm lowers instead of pissing away dollarydoos on a piston15 build. 10mm with a brace seems like it'd be more fun than 556 since I already have a 762x39 raifu anyways
c0703c No.569196
>>569149
>Any legit guides on checking the dimensions of a lower?
Just buy from a good vendor and you'll be fine. Aero Precision is bretty gud and aggressively priced. As for your friends, I hate to break it to you but they're probably poorly educated neo-fudds who completely bought into the "lol rifle shits in its mouth" meme. Unless you want to suppress or have some other niche use where a piston will benefit you generally shouldn't bother sticking one on an AR.
000000 No.569220
>>567747
Attachments need to be added with purpose in mind. Sling and optic are necessary on any gun. Primary Arms is an excellent optic brand choice with good prices. A light is another necessary attachment for home defense. You need to know what you are shooting at. You can use a cheap brand sling up to VTAC, and the light can be a high end TLR down to a 30$ light with rail mount. Optic is where the biggest portion of cost should come after the price of the gun itself. Get a good one! In my eyes the price of an Aimpoint, Eotech, or Trijicon is not worth the ammunition I could have bought.
A forward grip can aid in handling the gun; Magpul is a great brand for furniture. And a laser can be used for aiming without shouldering, but I don't recommend that.
f2e36f No.569442
>>567775
>l-listen guys, by paying a 700% markup for a name, y-you know you're getting quality.