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>These are not proof.
Yes they are, and if you choose to ignore these, then we can't have a conversation. You have to find a way to explain their existence or else realize that your explanation does not take all evidence into account.
>Maybe you're not very concerned with historian method, but proof is actual paper, notes, tickets from the government of orders of gaz, of army hierarchy orders etc..
There is ample evidence of the destruction of these, as well as public statements regarding the secrecy. This explains the lack of these taking the whole into account. Your theory does not explain the existence of the others. For example, we do not have William Shakespeare's birth certificate, if there even was such a thing, but we know he existed. How can this be?
>You're talking about memoir, but are these not just testimonies too? You can't trust them at all.
No, this is why you compare them. It seems unlikely that all this testimony lines up to a single narrative with no potential coordination other than some kind of psychic shit. No, you can't trust them all, which is why some people have been outed as fake victims. This was done by actual historians and researchers, not Nazi holocaust deniers.
>Just give me out the single statement that can attest that Hilter gave the order to kill the jews.
Eichmann saying this was the case and his writings in his diary, as well as Himmler doing the same completely disconnected from Eichmann. Two things pointing to the same fact validate that fact.
>Isreal literally stand on the holocaust. Without it, there is no Israel.
That may be, but that doesn't make the holocaust less real. It's also worth noting that terrorism and money deals also made this a possibility, so no, it wasn't the holocaust that made Israel. For the record, I think Israel is an abhorrent state with an apartheid-tier government, but that doesn't make the holocaust less real. I could even be an anti-semite, but the facts are the facts.
>Do you know the danger of Zicklon? How much bodies they had to kill? How the door of the shower was only a wooden door? How a real american gaz chamber used for prisonner execution works?
The wooden door claim is incorrect, and from shoddy infographs. Pic is an actual gas chamber.
>You can be happy, because in nearly every european country, you're in jail if you contest.
Okay, so how come we don't have a lot of historians coming out and revealing the truth?
>That's false, for the simple reason that you didn't read shit about the problem, because there have been exchange between historians about this subjects.
No, it's not false. That's how publication works. If not, feel free to provide a rejection letter of someone having already submitted for review.
>You don't talk for exemple about Nuremberg court rules, one being that any public truth can be attested as a proof in the tribunal.
That's cool, but the memoirs of Eichmann, Goebbels and Himmler were not written for the trial. The trial is irrelevant. Furthermore, Eichmann never recanted, even when he knew he was to be executed.
>Do you know that the russian actually accused the german of killing jews with barbels? With electricity?
So what? This is not historically accurate and therefore not part of history, if what you claim is even true.
>You truly seem to don't know anything about the subject.
No, I'm just not delusional about it.
>By the way, there is no jewish conspiracy. There is a conspiracy, but jewish people are just a tool. They're not at the top, like /pol/ claims.
I'm sure it's the greys.
>Do you know that there was never soap made out of jews (proved by an israeli historian)? Than the skin was never used to make lamps? That's public.
No, their ashes were used as fertilizer and one lamp did have human skin, though maybe not from a Jew. Soap was attempted from ashes because they were running out of materials, but they did not continue this practice.
>The reality about the second world war is that the american/english did so much massacre, so much damage that Hitler has to take everything on his back,
The Americans didn't hit the Germans nearly as hard as the Soviets did, and we well could have. If the war had lasted longer, the bomb would have fallen on German cities instead.
>and they had to prove this whole mess to be to destroy a monster. It's a huge cover up, just to redirect responsibilities of the monstrosity of this war.
What evidence do you have of this cover up? Because so far, it's just assertions from an obviously misinformed individual.