/k/ - Weapons

Nobody answered? Jeez

Just go get some AR500 plates preferably Level III+ LW. If you have up 1k to spend you can easily order the entire package, front, back and carrier from them for on average less than 500 dollars.

I'd also recommend getting a backpack with an armor slot and picking up some backpack armor plate. Makes good makeshift body armor while out and about in event of an emergency when you can't get your carrier

Make sure to read the fine print and that you know what it can stop. Any retard company can push out a plate but it might not stop specific kinds of popular ammunition depending on how it's made.

>>561047

/k/ is a slow board

>>561023

Get a repo Stahlhelm and pad it out with ballistic foam

>>561047

Maybe has to do to the fact this same thread gets posted every week

>>561047

you'll have 70 pounds on your body, you have no idea how heavy that actually is.

>>561023

honestly, just get level 3 Kevlar vest, the kind that stops magnums and on down. Plate armor is heavy as fucking hell. I have a front back and side plate vest from AR500, all level 3+ and the thing is incredibly heavy feeling.

>>561093

my steel plates, front, back 6x6 sides, and carrier is 26lbs

>>561096

>>561093

Weight shouldn't be an issue. I wore interceptor with plates for about a year before and it wasn't so bad.

Now that I think about it I heard PE plates are all the rage now. Should I go for those?

>>561047

>Steel

AR500 has their ceramic Level IV package for $295. I mean, I have Level III steel, but if I could afford to drop the cash I'd be sporting Level IV.

>>561049

It's not necessarily about how it's made, that has a part to play, what you want it an NIJ certified armor, with provided documentation showing it has been submitted for testing with H.P. White or other NIJ contract labs. The main crux of the issue is that the NIJ .06 standard hasn't been updated in for fucking ever.

>>561197

> 70 pounds

Stop being ridiculous. With front and black plates it's 16lbs, with side-plates it comes to 26lbs. SAPI weight the same, more so when DAPS and other ancillary packages are included.

>>561093

Just be aware of some of the issues with with PE, as with all armor be it steel or ceramic. The rule of thumb has been "If it's too warm for you, it's too warm for the PE" because delamination has been an issue in spaces like vehicle trunks in excessively humid and hot environments.

>>561093

My carrier has level III+ steel plates, front and side, with trauma pads. Loaded up with 4 STANAG magazines, it doesn't come out to more than 28 lbs.

The "steel is super heavy" meme really isn't worth keeping around. The weight's distributed over your body really well and I can wear it for extended periods of time during runs outside without much more of a problem than without. The only real problem is that they can affect your ability to breathe fully.

>>561023

Go buy a level III body armor undershirt for ~$300-$700 and invest the rest into health and fitness.

>>561392

If you're serious, OP:

https://en.miguelcaballero.com

https://www.srselfdefense.com/level-iiia-bulletproof-compression-shirt/

https://www.scorpiustactical.com/products/ballistic-cool-mesh-t-armor?variant=17217025285

https://www.safeguardclothing.com/coolmax-iiia-bullet/

Seriously though, being fit and able to jog/run for good periods of time in light armor will be more efficient than some 70lb rig.

Make sure you get an actual plate carrier instead of air shit or the bullet's fragments will just go to your neck instead.

>>561395

>https://www.safeguardclothing.com/coolmax-iiia-bullet/

I like this. Maybe get just a plate carrier and some ar500 plates to throw over it if needed.

nothing

buy some rice and an ak so you can become a vietnam fucking shit

>>561093

It's really nice when you fags show that you literally know nothing.

https://pastebin.com/8wjMuz3w

Very relevant. Personally have lbt 6094 with ceramic pl8. Ar500 is not NIJ approved and “level 3+” is not a real rating. The bullets spall and can fragment, breaking on steel plate and sending shrapnel into your neck. So sucking chest wound that is survivable could = die from shrapnel into carotid. The community says that the rhino liner on the ar500 should prevent spalling, but if you are gonna get armor either go for the shit that the US military uses or don’t buy armor.

For regular carry of stuff I would suggest a battle belt if you don’t want to go down armor path.

>>561405

What design features of the carrier prevent this from happening? What should a potential buyer look for in a carrier to prevent this fatal spalling?

>>568568

That's a good list from what I've seen so far, but where do I find neck/shoulder protectors like the OP image?

>>561023

Camo > armor.

They can't shoot at you if they can't see you, even a tank gun can't kill you if you have good camo.

Also fire retardant uniform is nice.

>>568740

Why not both?

>>568740

>Camo > armor.

>Concealment > Cover

>They can't shoot at you if they can't see you,

>standing behind concealment stops a shooter pulling the trigger

>>568568

>Ar500 is not NIJ approved

There is no "NIJ approved", armor is either .06 compliant (on a case-by-case basis) as tested by NIJ certified labs, like H.P. White, or it's not. NIJ regularly publishes a list of armor that have been tested that received certification, as well as list armor that failed to.

https://www.nij.gov/topics/technology/body-armor/Pages/testing.aspx

https://www.ar500armor.com/ballistic-tests.html

What a Strelok needs to do is ensure the armor manufacturer or vendor they're pursuing has the armor NIJ lab cert available in PDF on their website and that the test information shows the armor met .06 (a cop was just fried back in December for selling fake armor), not concentrate solely on armor type.

>“level 3+” is not a real rating

A well known fact, but bares repeating.

>The bullets spall and can fragment, breaking on steel plate and sending shrapnel into your neck.

It's "splash", spalling pertains to armor frag on impact, not projectile frag.

>So sucking chest wound that is survivable could = die from shrapnel into carotid.

Splash egress past the liner occurs after successive strikes, once the liner has been delaminated from the plate.

>The community says that the rhino liner on the ar500 should prevent spalling, but if you are gonna get armor either go for the shit that the US military uses or don’t buy armor.

The US Military ran steel armor for decades. Legit USGI SAPI aren't NIJ certified, they're required to meet MIL-STD-662F and in order to meet it you need a Level-IIIA backing in your carrier.

http://everyspec.com/MIL-STD/MIL-STD-0500-0699/MIL-STD-662F_6718/

Ceramic is what everyone needs to aim for, but steel does the job in a pinch.

>>568740

>They can't shoot at you if they can't see you

Good luck hiding with camo in MOUT.

>even a tank gun can't kill you if you have good camo.

What is FLIR?

What is TIS?

What is canister?

What is flechette?

What is HE-MP-T?

I'd expected better from a citizen of the nation that held the CAT.

>>568740

>They can't shoot at you if they can't see you

Yes they can, it's just not as effective. If you hide yourself and the enemy doesn't, you can take him out with one shot while he wastes thousands looking for you.

>>576265

>What is FLIR?

>What is TIS?

>What is canister?

>What is flechette?

>What is HE-MP-T?

Breakable expensive things, ineffective things that replace a good machine gunner, retarded half measure thats the laughingstock of the world?

>>576288

>Breakable expensive things

That provide an edge over the enemy.

>ineffective things that replace a good machine gunner

Canister and flechette aren't new concepts.

>retarded half measure thats the laughingstock of the world?

Better than HESH

>>576375

Ok you convinced me, maybe you could use a tank to kill an infantryman with good camo.

>>576142

This.

>Not getting ultra-swole and then wear actual tank ballistic armor held with leather belts on you like a WarHammer 40K ork instead of faggy kevlar vests.

Disgraceful.

>>578726

>not simply forgoing armour all together for total guerrilla warfare

>>578759

Gorilla warfare is a gay meme.

>>576065

>75 buck IIIA soft helmet

Where can you get this?

>>578777

Back when Iraqi War surplus was a thing.

>>578772

>is a meme

You keep using that word.

>>578777

As >>578777 says, back when war surplus was plentiful. It's all been eaten up by boomers and shekel hungry faggots reselling it online for 10x the worth. Local surplus here just outside a base none the less, was arriving by the pallet, but as soon as it was coming in, these lard-ass money flush boomers were buying up all the good shit. Every single IBA and PASGT vest and PASGT or ACH helmet. I don't hit up the surplus shops that often, not anymore at least because it's mostly condor and other low quality tacticool bullshit now, but I can clearly remember an encountered I had with a blackpilled boomer in the wild a few years back. Lardass was dripping sweat all over everything and he had to touch EVERYTHING, as I was looking over some PASGT vests the owner had just put out, this wheezing coke machine size motherfucker weebles over and grabs all four of them like he clutching a fucking oxygen tank thats about the run out, looks at me and says "these are mine, never know when you're going to need armor". I can only assume he was going to take them apart to build himself some kind of makeshift boomer armor, because none of the vests were going to fit him. The only other shop that was selling surplus armor refused to sell to it to "civilians", the fuckers would even sell me an empty IBA soft shell.

>>578800

>resorts to shitposting when called out on buzzword

Keep dreaming you can nuke everyone self-defending themselves from the government. Lord knows your mentality is just the same as the Mexicans who love imagining their authoritarian govt stripping them ever more of their freedom.

>>561023

5mm AR680 Steel Plate imagine a 7mm version of this thing will be able stop .30-06 make it a Level IV armor.

>>578877

Why must you eat shitty b8?

>>578800

Without power and water most people living in cities in developed countries would die within a month or two, guerrilla warfare being fought by a militia within a developed country would be focused on initially destroying power grids and water supplies (which is quite easy, electrical grids in most developed countries are fragile things) then denying as much of the aid response from the government as possible. As a bonus you can send people to provoke riots and incite hate towards the government when it fails to deliver vital aid to civilian centres. A rebellion against a government is all about cock blocking resources for as long as possible and guerrilla tactics are very good at that.

>>578991

its funny because jamal and moishe fuck you mutts in the ass every day ;)

>>578990

What if you put thick armor of top of the things you want to protect?

>>578991

>frog

Enjoy your cuck president.

>>579008

Gorillacucks can be destroyed with drones though.

>>579009

>several insurgents blend into a crowd of thousands of civilians

>"lets just drone strike the entire crowd"

>government knows that 1% of civilians in a city are insurgents

>"lets just nuke the city"

How do you keep coming up with these absolutely genius ideas?

>>579011

Also

>soldiers have families, who are mortal

>armies need supplies to operate, food, fuel, etc

>nobody works for free, cut off tax base and the state starves

>>578993

That's France, Mohammed.

>>579011

Then martillo fucking law

>>579031

Fucking autocorrect. Meant martial.

>>579035

The problem with COIN, is it can't be won. No one, not even the Soviets, who were brutal as fuck and just leveled everything could overcome an insurgency. Anything a government force employs turns to populace against it, Martial Law would have a net negative effect as large as drone crowds of innocents. People don't particularly like being told what to do, unless of course your from the Mid-East, Africa (sans Rhodesia and parts of South Africa) or the UK (sans Northern Ireland).

>>561023

I got my bulletsafe armor and it fits pretty good, except for the area right in front of my shoulders. Can you trim pe plates? I would only take to take off maybe 1/4 - 1/2 inch.

>still falling for the armor/plate carrier meme

>not just using some MOLLE vest/shitty chest rig/ALICE and some fucking helmet

>>580621

Get some better fucking bait, you wannabe spaghetti faggot.

>>580768

>not calling me fencehopper

Is anyone here aware of any tests using ballistic tip .223 or .308 against body armor?

>>580861

Youtube has alot of videos of people shooting stuff;

>>580973

But I can't find a single one of someone testing BT bullets on bodyarmor.

>>581704

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZLZbViAvE

Took me like two seconds.

>>580852

Why don't you go dig out a new cartel tunnel or something?

>>582006

Been too busy shitposting elsewhere and playing Stalker

Any suggestions for protectingwrits/arms from cuts and stabs?

I've been looking at this https://www.superiorglove.com/en/arm-protection/kevlar-protective-sleeves

Would it work? Anyone know?

>>589572

PASGT helmets look nothing like a paratrooper pot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jiIQOgwtI

Bullet resistant plates made from fiberglass. The ones shown worked on 9mm bullets and 00 buckshot.

It would suck balls to have to rely on this post SHTF, but it would be better than nothing.