45cd6f No.549622
>His ammo isn't based off of shaped charges
Do you even know what current year is???
fbc4e4 No.549650
>not firing 30mm EFP disks
3ba91a No.549658
>>549650
>>549622
>Not using a 100MT nuclear weapon to propel your EFP.
>Not tearing into the earth itself to form a garage built relativistic cannon
>Not being able to wreck nuclear bunkers on Pluto
Get on my fucking level
c4e656 No.549661
>>549658
Looks like a great way to kill everything within LOS and beyond with all the high frequency black body radiation the projectile is going to emit if the speed is right
3ba91a No.549663
>>549661
Considering that it would be almost impossible to aim the weapon once you'd constructed it, having a projectile that's fast enough to be a radiological hazard to anything within a few hundred miles of its trajectory could be pretty useful.
2b087b No.549685
fbc4e4 No.549699
>>549663
It could be made aimable, and even mobile.
Use an Abrams hull. Make a (slightly) turnable barrel of lead on top of the hull, it's bottom one foot thick, it's walls three feet thick. Place a W88 warhead inside, and cap with your plasma fuel (tungsten). Drive around to a good position, aim the thing using hydraulics, and fire.
It's a one shot weapon, but you trade maybe 1 million dollars in equipment for a 10 billion wlongknack alien battlecruiser.
Kind of like a RPG vs MBT equation.
>>549685
Wait you mean like a 120mm cannon firing a cased package of glocks at the enemy?
c4e656 No.549713
>>549699
>Wait you mean like a 120mm cannon firing a cased package of glocks at the enemy?
They're glocknades
c4e656 No.549714
>>549699
Do you understand what Tsar Bomba means?
3ba91a No.549722
>>549699
To put the Tzar Bomba in context for you.
>It was detonated in Novaya Zemlya
>The blast shattered windows over 500 miles from ground zero.
>It generated a seismic shockwave that could be detected after it had travelled around the earth 3 times.
>That was the result of it being detonated at half its potential yield.
It is the single largest explosion humanity has caused so far, you need to get into (big, extinction level) asteroid impacts to find something more powerful. It's not an exaggeration to say that the Tzar Bomba makes the bomb dropped on Hiroshima look like a firecracker it was literally 3800 times more powerful.
1dd4d7 No.549760
>>549722
The biggest explosion humanity has caused was when Tesla activated his zero point energy weapon in Tunguska in 1908
fbc4e4 No.549764
>>549714
>>549722
Are you illiterate? Use a smaller warhead.
>Use an Abrams hull. Make a (slightly) turnable barrel of lead on top of the hull, it's bottom one foot thick, it's walls three feet thick. Place a W88 warhead inside, and cap with your plasma fuel (tungsten). Drive around to a good position, aim the thing using hydraulics, and fire.
A nuke is a nuke, who cares if the tamper is moving at .01c or .10c there's no armor in the universe that would withstand it.
Instant alien killer.
c70619 No.549765
>>549760
Did that happen in the same timeline as the Finno-Korean Hyperwar?
fbc4e4 No.549771
By the way we're talking the same amount of energy as getting hit by an 11,000t asteroid moving at 25km/s.
7dbf93 No.549786
>>549765
Hey man, don't joke about the Hyper War. That shit was brutal. How many modern day conflicts can you say were so bad it caused a severe decline in social skills over an entire population, like what happened to the Finns? And god forbid you bring up what happed to the Koreans, those poor bastards.
6a6af0 No.549814
>>549658
I'd love to see that shit fired into the moon instead of just the bomb detonation. There would be a fuckhuge crater on the moon you could probably spot with a naked eye. They'd probably somehow made it make the crater shaped like a dick, too.
>>549699
>>549722
>>549658
You don't need a super sturdy casing for this weapon. In fact you only need it strong enough not to collapse under its own weight. Because once fired it will, besides its target, obliterate everything in 50 mile radius and vaporize instantly all matter within 100 yards.
>>549764
The difference between 0.01c and 0.1c is 100 times more energy. It's also the difference between 30 milliseconds and 300 milliseconds to travel 1000 kilometers downrange.
3ba91a No.549817
>>549814
>I'd love to see that shit fired into the moon
The crater woud either be wide enough to see easily with the naked earth, or it would go deep enough to noticeably alter the tides.
>You don't need a super sturdy casing for this weapon
You'd want the casing to be as sturdy as possible, to redirect as much of the pressure wave up into the disk as possible. How much of that pressure is used to accelerate the disk could mean the difference between 0.999C and 0.1C - if you're going to build a gun that turns a chunk of your country into an irradiated restricted zone you might as well get every single Newton you can out of it.
c4e656 No.549823
>>549764
It can't be made mobile, especially with just an Abrams hull, because the pressure vessel needs to withstand the explosion long enough to let the EFP gain speed. You'd need something like a sand crawler.
6a6af0 No.549830
>>549817
I don't think you understand. When a nuke goes off, so much energy is released that the temperature spikes into millions of degrees, and the chemical bonds simply stop working. At that point the only thing holding it together is momentum, and that doesn't last very long. Even assuming that the energy of explosion is exactly enough to vaporize your water in the tank but not much more, the pressure that launches a copper disk at a fraction of the speed of light will launch everything else in vicinity at similar velocities. The point is, the weapon will not survive regardless, so there's no point in making it tough.
6a6af0 No.549832
>>549817
Also, besides leaving a mark, it won't do shit to the moon. A 1000 ton projectile going at 0.1 c is 3*10¹³ N of momentum. Moon is 7.3*10²² kg. An impact would give the moon whopping 4.1*10¯¹⁰ m/s jolt. Also to get it to that velocity you will need 21.5 million megaton nuke, if you could somehow use 100% of its energy to propel the projectile. A real weapon would be a minuscule fraction of that power and impact.
3ba91a No.549844
>>549830
I'm well aware that the pressure vessel/casing is not going to survive very long at all after the nuke is detonated. However a more resilient pressure vessel could last just a little bit longer before it was consumed in the nuclear holocaust it's containing. Lasting for that extra 0.1 second as a pressure vessel would transfer a slightly larger percentage of the force to the projectile. It may only be slightly better, but with the sort of numbers that you see with nukes (especially a 100MT bomb in very carefully optimised conditions) 'slightly better' could lead to a significantly hotter, faster, more energetic, and thus deadlier EFP not sure if that would refer to Explosively Forged Projectile or Plasma in this case
>>549832
Look. I'm a man with a very simple dream. All I want is to turn that boring moon of ours into a set of sweet rings in orbit over earth. Just to show those faggot Gas Giants that they've got nothing to boast about. Is that too much to ask? Can't you let me keep that dream?
2541ab No.549857
>>549658
What exactly stops the copper plate from evaporating or burning up from friction with the air at those velocities?
3ba91a No.549863
>>549848
Then so help me god we will freeze water and send that up into orbit!
>>549857
I'm honestly not sure ask a physicist.
20938e No.549881
>>549857
>>549863
Physicist-to-be here. The answer to your question is "not a whole fucking lot." The copper plate will vaporize, but not from friction. Depending on what your final muzzle velocity is the copper won't be so much colliding with air molecules but atomically fusing with them. At speeds like this, the copper no being solid anymore is basically a non-issue: a mass of superheated plasma heading your way at relativistic speed won't be any less destructive than a hunk of metal heading your way at relativistic speed.
3ba91a No.549893
>>549881
So EFP in this case would stand for Explosively Forged Plasma. The nuke launched copper cannon would be earths first plasma weapon.
48f4e3 No.550042
>>549658
>Russians invented reverse exterminatus
3ba91a No.550109
>>550042
Less of an exterminatus and more of a prototype Macrocannon.
45cd6f No.550113
>>549658
We is Deathstar now
3ba91a No.550119
>>550113
If it won't affect the moon then I think it's unlikely to have much of an effect on a planet - we're going to need to scale things up be a few hundred orders of magnitude to get there.
208137 No.550126
>>549699
>Wait you mean like a 120mm cannon firing a cased package of glocks at the enemy?
Yes.
fbc4e4 No.550137
>>549893
>>549823
>>549814
Lead isnt sturdy, its just massive, ergo more inertia. As long as theres equivalent mass in 5 other axes of travel, equivalent energy will be directed at the 6th axis - the tamper.
If it was just the tamper, some small percentage more energy would be directed on other 5 axes than the tamper.
But thats only there to limit the damage the weapon does on the ground, and to cheaply increase the energy value of the tamper by a few percent.
Its possible to dispense with the casing entirely to make a more mobile platform.
>difference between 0.01c and 0.1c is 100 times more energy
Do you understand what the term "practical" means? It doesnt matter if I shoot you with a 75mm cannon or a 152mm cannon.
>>549823
That is NOT how this works, its not a cannon. Also thats not how EFPs work, they dont have pressure vessels.
>>549844
Resilient how? Tensile strength doesnt matter to a nuke, only raw mass matters. It doesnt matter if the construction of the immediate casing is 1000kg titanium or 1000kg lead.
>>549881
>>549893
See >>549699
Reading is an skill.
c4e656 No.550147
>>550137
>That is NOT how this works, its not a cannon. Also thats not how EFPs work, they dont have pressure vessels.
How is the directional pressure wave going to be formed if the casing is made out of what amounts to be rice paper? Or are you fine with irradiating everything near the launch site?
fbc4e4 No.550157
>>550147
The answer to the first question is you dont need directional pressure to make this work; and the answer to the second question is up to how dire the situation is, and how mobile your vehicle is.
c4e656 No.550180
5e30be No.550182
>not subverting your enemy to the point where they don’t perceive you as an enemy and defeating them without firing a shot
1b0b8f No.550184
>>550182
This guy gets it.
884773 No.550186
>>550184
>space racemixing
2d7479 No.550191
>>550186
>spacemixing
>consorting with vile xenos
1b0b8f No.550195
>>550186
In space, we're the jews.
1b0b8f No.550196
>>550191
Seducing the alien women and cucking their men benefits humanity far more than would a needless war.
fbc4e4 No.550199
>>550180
That isnt the effect being exploited here.
We call it "Nuclear EFP" because there is no other comparison for what it is, except maybe a claymore.
41334d No.550200
fbc4e4 No.550201
>>550195
>>550184
The worst kind of HFY is author fetish, especially when they suck at writing.
1b0b8f No.550209
>>550201
True, but, it's hard to find anything that scratches the itch. Most of it's going to be low end chanwritefaggotry.
c4e656 No.550214
>>550199
Then why did the original design specify steam pressure as a speed enhancer? Why did it include a concrete well as a pressure vessel?
1a98fb No.550218
>>550196
>Let's dilute our blood line instead of ensuring human civilization dominates this galaxy now and always
Your plan is not good enough if the enemy lives at the end of it.
64f897 No.550222
>>550218
>not ensuring human civilization dominates the galaxy by fucking ayys
fbc4e4 No.550224
>>550222
>matrilineal culture
>literally encourage your women to cuck you
Worst culture reporting in.
3ba91a No.550241
>>550137
>It doesnt matter if the construction of the immediate casing is 1000kg titanium or 1000kg lead.
Fine, we'll use 1000 tons od concrete then. The purpose of this cannon is to shoot down a UFO that can't be scratched by conventional weapons or direct application of nukes. When we get to that point we're well beyond worrying about cost effectiveness.
>>550222
Set webm related on loop and watch it for an hour or two. It may help you learn how to deal with non-humans in an appropriate manner.
1b0b8f No.550244
>>550224
I'm encouraging the alien women to cuck the alien men.
I'm encouraging our human women to seduce the alien men into cheating for them, leaving the aliens with nothing.
It's only cuckoldry if you're the one being cucked. If you're the one getting it on with ayy qts, then they're being cucked.
Basically, I advocate for us to be the migrants.
1a98fb No.550255
>>550244
>I'm encouraging our human women to seduce the alien men into cheating for them
>It's only cuckoldry if you're the one being cucked
1b0b8f No.550259
>>550255
Are the immigrants fucking your women in Sweden being cucked?
Or are you?
I propose we apply this to the stars.
I propose we be the migrants.
b60bb0 No.550290
1a6610 No.550303
>>550244
>wanting to fuck the xeno
No. If you want somethig different, then go for Emperor approved cat girls.
Besides, xenos have space AIDS or will cu k you first.
1b0b8f No.550320
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>>550303
>Emperor approved catgirls
Have you seen those things? Terrifying. I'd rather fuck a necron.
6a6af0 No.550350
>>549844
Nigger you don't understand. There won't be a pressure vessel when the nuke goes off, there will be metal plasma in shape of used-to-be pressure vessel and it won't hold shit. Even if it weren't plasma by that point it wouldn't hold shit either, molecules going at significant fraction of speed of light would simply force their way through it like knife through butter.
Also the Earth already has a ring. And it's high-tech cool shit, not a bunch of dumb rocks.
>>550137
But you're not shooting a human. You're shooting an enemy space vessel with ayylium armor. Also who knows how fast can it move, it may well be able to dodge a slower projectile.
3ba91a No.550379
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>>550350
Fair enough, I only wanted to help improve the effectiveness of the weapon. It isn't often you can do that by shouting "MOAR CONCRETE!!!" so I was kind of hoping this would be an exception. Is there any way to increase the effectiveness of this other than just 'find a bigger nuke'?
>>550244
If you're going to post HFY at least use the good stuff
1b0b8f No.550387
>>550379
I have a lot of HFY.. Some stuff like what you posted, though I'm not a huge fan.
I prefer more the indomitable spirit stuff, myself.
3ba91a No.550389
>>550387
That's more like it, if nothing else 'I conquered space, WITH MY DICK!' isn't all that fun to begin with and it gets old fast.
6a6af0 No.550398
>>550389
>cap
Are these some tiny-ass aliens? I can understand them being wimpy, but not destroying reinforced structures barehanded.
6a6af0 No.550399
>>550379
Eh I don't think so. So much energy is released that it entirely eclipses everything else. You could probably use electromagnetic nozzle to channel most plasma in specific direction but that's the extent of control you can realistically have over it.
3ba91a No.550402
>>550398
Come on, we've all seen how angry drunken men can get. Or is that more of a British thing?
>>550399
Fair enough, would it need to be a single larger warhead? Or could it be jury rigged with multiple smaller warheads detonating simultaneously? If the numbers are that far off the scale I can see a difference of a few microseconds being enough to destroy or disrupt the nukes further down the wire.
6a6af0 No.550403
>>550402
You won't be able to detonate them simultaneously. Mainly because the detonation window is so much wider than explosion timing. You have to start a chain reaction and it's an inherently stochastic process, there will be a lot of sway. The first nuke will detonate and destroy the rest without activating, those will fizzle out.
3ba91a No.550404
>>550403
Fair enough, so we need to work on a larger warhead than the 100MT Tzar Bomba. As supernovae are technically thermonuclear explosions it would seem that we have a long way to go before we run into any natural barriers to the size of the explosion.
6a6af0 No.550405
>>550404
Well the nuke EFP is low tech actually. A black hole launcher would've worked much better. Due to its nature it's impossible to stop and you can carefully time its explosion, so that it goes off inside enemy ship. With some clever timespace warping, creating, storing and propelling black holes should be simple enough. But we don't have that tech yet.
3ba91a No.550408
>>550405
>But we don't have that tech yet.
There's the rub. If we had the tech to build a black hole launcher, antimatter missile, or disintigration ray then we wouldn't need to use nukes as the propellant for a sorta-kinda relativistic cannon.
a529e7 No.550410
>>550405
Please read up on hawking radiation
6a6af0 No.550411
>>550410
What confuses you, son? Radiation accelerates as the black hole loses mass, eventually reaching such speed that it basically releases what's left instantly, in a massive explosion.
6a6af0 No.550414
>>550410
Also if you can increase spacetime curvature around the black hole, you can increase its event horizon radius and therefore reduce radiation rate.
>>550408
Black hole is going to be a short range weapon, as making it last long enough to travel considerable distance requires feeding huge amount of energy into it prior to launch - 100 ton black hole will only live for 84 milliseconds. Granted, for every 10 times more weight you get 1000 times the lifetime, getting it to explode within very specific time window is going to become increasingly hard, if it explodes too early it doesn't do shit, and if it explodes too late it only punctures a tiny hole in the target.
6a6af0 No.550415
>>550414
Actually it punctures a hole and sets it on fire. The black hole itself can effortlessly pass through a whole planet without swallowing up a single atom, but such small black hole emits huge amounts of radiation, which will melt through quite a bit of material while setting on fire everything else in vicinity even if it goes at nearly the speed of light.
3ba91a No.550428
>>550415
>huge amounts of radiation, which will melt through quite a bit of material while setting on fire everything else in vicinity even if it goes at nearly the speed of light.
That sounds like something that could be weaponised. Is creating such a powerful radiation weapon something humanity is likely to be able to do in the near future? Or is it in the same category as a black hole launcher?
fbc4e4 No.550432
Its possible to shoot muons at the enemy and turn the target in the path of the beam into a temporary black hole, which explodes in a shower of radiation a few microseconds later.
Its a bit safer than making a black hole in your own ship and launching it.
Why are we discussing this?
3ba91a No.550435
>>550432
>shoot muons
How fast are they going to have to be moving if they're going to hit the target within the average life of a muon (2.2 μs)
1b0b8f No.550446
>>550389
I disagree, but to each his own.
6a6af0 No.550450
>>550428
The black hole is valuable as an extremely powerful fixed yield bomb, not as a hole punching device. In its last few minutes it's like a continuously going supernova, sure, but when it has about 5 tons of mass left it releases it quicker than a nuke goes off, producing about 100 gigatons TNT equivalent explosion. Now that I think of it actually, I guess you can make stronger explosion with a fusion bomb, if you try hard enough.
>>550435
At the speed of light it can travel just about 620 meters on average.
3ba91a No.550468
>>550446
>each his own.
I can drink to that.
>>550450
>620 meters
That sounds like a worryingly short range for a weapon that potentially has the 100 Gigaton explosion you mention here.
fbc4e4 No.550476
>>550450
>>550468
1. Muons moving close to the speed of light would be time dilated, and decay more slowly. At .9c they would travel 2.3x the distance before half life decay. At .9999c they would travel 70x the distance before half life decay. At .99999c they would travel 230x the distance. And so on.
2. That's the HALF life. If we assume .9999c, half of the beam would survive at 43km. 25% at 86km. 12.5% at 130km…. and so on.
Getting it to target is just a matter of pumping enough muons to start, and accelerating them fast enough. Since this is all imaginary bullshit, I figure you can get the dwarves to start working on that.
3ba91a No.550482
>>550476
>get the dwarves to start working on that
>Dwarven built sci fi muon cannons
>World moves one step closer to when 40k was good
48f4e3 No.550506
>>550476
>Muons moving close to the speed of light would be time dilated, and decay more slowly.
Don't muons or the preons that generate them quantum tunnel too?
3beb82 No.550515
Reminder to you milky-white, basement-dwelling, skinny, elitist and extremist virgin nerd losers that this is what you fight for.
be5b69 No.550538
>>550515
This is what kebabs fight for too.
da2022 No.550545
>>550218
If you're white, you're already mixed with a superior being, the neanderthals.
1f3be1 No.550546
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)
The nukes used to propel the Project Orion spacecraft are effectively nuclear shaped charges, directing the majority of their explosive yield in a specific direction. Concentrating the blast further results in the Casaba-Howitzer, which focuses up to 85% of the nuke's total yield in a small area, just like a conventional shaped charge. Except with a range measure in miles, not inches.
Thus, an Orion battleship would be able to use nukes as propulsion AND weapons, spearing enemy spacecraft on a jet of nuclear plasma before they even realize the nuke is close enough to damage them.
4cba4d No.550581
>>550560
It would solve a lot of problems in that region.
7f62a5 No.550606
>>550581
nuking tel aviv and riyadh would actually work.
c4e656 No.550623
>>550515
I don't want somebody else's children, what the fuck
10a339 No.550629
>>550113
You would need to convert the entire Himalayas from matter into pure energy to get enough energy to have Death Star levels of destruction. However if you just want to sanitize a planet there are easier ways to do that, like giving an asteroid a nudge into the path of the planet you are targeting.
>>549844
If you want to turn the moon into rings you don't want to blow the moon up, you want to get it within the earth's Roche limit, which for the moon would be about 9,492 km.
2ddad7 No.550634
>>550515
I hate stereotypes
Specially when they are right
5db6aa No.550642
>>550581
Spoken like a true American patriot