/k/ - Weapons

>>545199

They should've went for oval rifling to be quite honest, the Russians have that down to a science.

But for states that can't have detachable mag semi autos, or just SBRs, it would be decent for home defense (within 10-20 yards).

There may be ways around that whole thing like a rifling only close to the muzzle for only 3 inches or so or some other shit, but didn't expect straight rifling at all.

>>545199

What's the supposed advantage over a shotgun?

>>545208

shorter and more shots

>inb4 BATFE cucks throw it into the AOW category

>>545227

The (((ATF))) already looked at the damn thing and didn't declare it AOW.

>>545227

They can't, it's over 26", they'd have to come up with new shit and that's manufacturing regulations out of their ass.

>>545226

The gun is ridiculous at 2k, but they will sell the barrels themselves. to be honest I'd just buy a blank 22 barrel, no rifling then pull a button through it myself and send it off to the gas chambers to be nitrided but that's just me

Hey, instead of having the fire arm industry put so much effoty in finding loopholes, how about they start working on chipping away the NFA?

For instance they could exempt non-semi autos from the NFA.

They could deregulate suppressors.

>>545229

somebody said that they should have done oval rifling like the Russians do.

>>545236

I did right in this thread, is it a response to that?

>>545235

Difficult since the media is as loud as it is. It would have to go through an omnibus but I don't think NeoCons would like that very much either.

You have enemies on both sides with that, better to just keep showing how stupid the laws are and chip away at it bit by bit.

I only see the suppressor law going away for now, after that a grassroots movement for stocks on pistols for older people and disabled vets can work.

>>545237

> better to just keep showing how stupid the laws are and chip away at it bit by bit.

This would just reinforce the Stockholm Syndrome everyone's beginning to feel with the NFA and other regulation. I think what we need are some virtue-signalling corporations to counter the left's own efforts. Imagine this advertisement:

>Hello /k/ameraden, your friendly Heckle my Koch repersentative here

>Doesn't this new gun look cool? It fires fully automatic, 30 caliber assault clips out of a shoulder thing that goes up. It can fold neatly up to an OAL of 1.6", isn't that convenient?

>Unfortunately, we can't sell this and other ways for you to defend your rights because your representatives in Congress haven't repealed the NFA yet

>With just two minutes of your time, you could help bring more guns to a state near you. Call today!

I exaggerate or not, but I feel something in this vein could be beneficial.

>>545208

It doesn't count as either rifled or smoothbore, which makes it exempt from most of the NFA (the only category it could possibly fall under is "machine gun").

>>545240

no it isn't, it's under just "firearm".

that weird classification that barely anyone uses.

>>545239

That's kinda what that gun is.

>>545235

Have you been hounding the primary candidates for your house seat and (if applicable) senate race(s) about introducing NFA repeal?

>>545199

>this surpasses my lowest expectations

So it's not completely shit?

>>545242

He means "machinegun" is the only NFA classification that could potentially be applied to it that is left, not that it IS currently classified as such. Granted the only way for it to actually become one is if congress pushes through a bill to revise "machineguns" to include bumpfire aids, binary triggers and other similar accessories during trump's lame duck period.

Though that also assumes that the caveat that can turn the shotgun derived "firearms" we've seen so far into AOWs doesn't also apply the Reformation.

>>545199

Only there so you don't have to do the tax stamp

Can't you make a lawsuit or something declaring the NFA unconstitutional?

>>545290

More questions: would it have an impact on imports? Specifically the ban on salt raifus and blanket import bans from certain countries. Could Izhmash develop a flechette 5.45x39mm and flood the American market with smoothbore AK-74s?

>>545290

This whole thing was word/definition fuckery. The best action we can take is use eldritch moon scribes to use word fuckery to ass rape gun laws and cause masssive butt frustration for the unfortunate agent tasked with trying to figure out why it's legal or not, risking his sanity or even life before saying fuck it and giving it the green light.

>>545322

What is it with burgers and being unable to move forward a conversation? Or is there something in my posts that suggests I don't understand the subject at hand, or what?

>>545470

The only thing it may bypass is 922r which is the total number of us made parts in a so called assault weapon. Importers like century will take a gun in a safe configuration i.e. thumbhole stock, single stack and modify them to be normal. Before russian sanctions saigas were just fine with rifle grip and fucked up triggers after the sanctions even safe guns are gone (as far as I know there hasn't been a single shot baikal shotgun being sold as factory new import remington spartan series for example). The best example of all this is the vepr ban after news came out that they were working with russians which the guns themselves were built around being a "safe" not an AK. And in the case of norinco they were banned by name, the hawk series shotguns (and other chink made shit) that have become popular recently were made by a different company but sold/distributed by norinco (?) But mak 90s are still illegal to import regardless of shape and function.

SHORT ANSWER IS NO

>>545294

The real question is if it is even worth the loss in accuracy and proprietary ammo just to have an short barreled firearm. I don't believe it would impact imports but it could. Plus I wouldn't want them to split production to make this shit. I think anyone wanting a shorty AK would be better served getting one of y'alls FEG AMD type raifus.

Nerf or nothin

I wanna see how that nerf dart looking thing runs through ordinary rifling.

>>545615

it'll need a faster spin to stabilize and would have shitloads of drag since it's rotating against the fin stabilization.