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There's no discharge in the war!

File: b71b6e3aac77d27⋯.png (80.21 KB, 1123x422, 1123:422, b7f52a3813a45014083997ec12….png)

936d5f No.544848

Hey /k/, I'm working on learning how to model weaponry with the hopes of heading a game studio one day. That's neither here nor there, though. Anyone else here like designing fictional weapons and worldbuilding? Besides that, I'd also like some help adding reasonable detail to the receiver here. It has a long-recoil system like the Barrett, just for clarification. I dont know where to cut it and add panel lines and such, need some help.

88e61f No.544851

dear God please tell me we didnt went back to times of multiposting


3f9441 No.544856

>P90 magazine and feeding system

>rails on the magazine

>every time your reload you disacard your attachments

>entire back end of the weapon utterly useless, most likely hollow

>CoM so fucking far forwards

>tiny carry handle that won't even fit the fingers

>no charging handle

>no safety switch or fire selector

I seriously hope you DIDN'T make this.


b833ce No.544857

File: b12e094fa008701⋯.gif (1.97 MB, 380x285, 4:3, GM6.gif)

>>544848

Barrett is short recoil, so the barrel only travels a little Gif related is long recoil. But where is the magazine, the ejection port, the controls? And where is the bolt supposed to be?


85fc18 No.544873

File: d076ffa05310dc9⋯.jpg (111.87 KB, 609x607, 609:607, Feeling a little hot under….jpg)

>>544857

>that gif.

>the barrel.

>Just pumping endlessly.

>In and out, in and out.

>Boom.

<Boom.

Boom.

>Penetrating whatever is unlucky enough to be downrange with .50 calibres of hot and heavy, supersonic, lead.

>MFW.

>>544848

>Anyone else here like designing fictional weapons and worldbuilding?

You could say that.

As has been pointed out already there are a few problems with that design, basically that everything behind the circular well of the magazine is unnecessary and could only serve to make the weapon more cumbersome and a bitch to handle. What sort of setting were you thinking of when you built that model? What can you tell us about the people who designed it (in the universe it came from)? What role did they have in mind for this weapon? What sort of budget and tech do they have to work with? What sort of political and social ideologies are in play in this setting? Sorry to hit you with a wall of questions there, but even those little incidental details can have a big effect on how a weapon would be built and look - if you want an obvious and easy example there's a reason that the AK47 was made to be window licking simple and primarily out of wood and stamped steel. Without the further setting details there are a few pointers I'd give for that design though.

>If you're keeping the top loading, P90 style, magazine then cut basically everything behind the mag and redesign it as a very short, pseudo-bullpup smg rather than a full blown rifle.

>The pistol grip could be moved forwards, even to the point of having it integrated with the bump just behind the barrel on the underside of the weapon, it'd look odd - but that's not rare in /v/ guns.

>have the housing come over the top of the magazine (causing you to load it in sideways rather than from the top) and move the rails and carry handle, if you're keeping it, onto that part of the weapon.

>I'm not married to this idea, but after you've moved the shoulder-rest to the end of the magazine have the metal/polymer as a flat surface with a thick, compressible, rubber cap over the top of it to help absorb at least some of the recoil.

>As this is a first draft of the design it'd be a good idea to work out where things like the ejection port, fire selector/safety, etc would go

>How would you deconstruct the rifle to clean it? What sort of mechanism holds it together when you don't want the housing to come apart (when you're firing it for example)?


900a8f No.545353

>>544873

>>have the housing come over the top of the magazine (causing you to load it in sideways rather than from the top) and move the rails and carry handle, if you're keeping it, onto that part of the weapon.

God that sounds sexy. You wouldn't even have to worry about lopsided weight distribution if the magazine fed along the barrel axis, unlike on a FG42 or STEN and you'd still get an uninterrupted and fixed toprail. The tactical reload would be knocking the old mag out of the gun with the new one and if OP is really creative, the part where the cartridge rotates would slide backwards and forwards, locking the mag in with pressure against a backstop.

A follower that presses the mag in to the cartridge rotation mechanism would of course be the practical and more reliable solution but where is the sex in that.

>How would you deconstruct the rifle to clean it? What sort of mechanism holds it together when you don't want the housing to come apart (when you're firing it for example)?

OP, may I suggest pushpins? Whether HK style or like on an AR doesn't really matter, they make design a lot easier than a gun where the main spring is used to keep the gun shut.

A final point: Your gun seems ridiculously bulky. Soldiers tend to complain about weight all the time, so maybe get an internal layout first before you figure out what the gun looks like on the outside.


85fc18 No.545372

File: 03ac89359c978d6⋯.jpg (21.53 KB, 250x250, 1:1, Can it be fired with an er….jpg)

>>545353

>The tactical reload would be knocking the old mag out of the gun with the new one and if OP is really creative, the part where the cartridge rotates would slide backwards and forwards, locking the mag in with pressure against a backstop.

pic related

>maybe get an internal layout first before you figure out what the gun looks like on the outside.

What if this design is for an army of sci-fi future Jews and he's taking inspiration from the Tavor?


1ea28d No.545396

>>544856

embrace the neocalico


b81021 No.545404

File: 901d3ab4ec89a0b⋯.png (90.57 KB, 593x251, 593:251, ClipboardImage.png)

>>544848

Didn't I tell you to enlarge the carry handle? You really should've stuck with a bullpup design if you're going to have that much stock or back end.

Unless if this were to be some feed cover you pop open to insert the magazine, in which case you should've redesigned it.

>It's chambered in a shotgun cartridge

>using a p90 style feed

Where do I even begin


900a8f No.545457

>>545372

>What if this design is for an army of sci-fi future Jews and he's taking inspiration from the Tavor?

I still refuse to believe they actually did that. How can you go from Galil to designergun?


85fc18 No.545464

File: d498c6d0ebc00ae⋯.jpg (61.9 KB, 837x495, 93:55, Bullpup springfield 1903.jpg)

>>545457

>How can you go from Galil to designergun?

When the unholy forces of PR and Marketing combine all manner of nightmares are possible. Especially when they demand that the rifle be designed to draw attention. Besides, it could have been worse …


948a36 No.545488

>>545464

>instead of gassing your face like a tavor it rams a bolt in to your eye

wew

where do you put your face on it?


85fc18 No.545514

>>545488

With most bull pup rifles your cheek rest is more or less on top of/slightly behind the pistol grip, so with this one I imagine it would be ahead of the bolt and roughly above that sad little chunk of wood trying to be a pistol grip. You wouldn't get the bolt rammed into your face, but best of luck loading the next round after each shot, you'd need to take it out of the shoulder, hold it lengthways infront of your chest sliding the stock under your arm, and then try to find a free hand to work the bolt. Then again it was a weird experimental piece that clearly never went much further than that pic, so no bully.


85fc18 No.545515

>>545514

actually, looking at the photo a bit more, maybe it was intended to be a crew served rifle - with one gunner aiming and firing the weapon and a loader knelt behind him cycling the bolt and slotting the next round into the chamber after each shot. It's not like that would have been the stupidest idea to get prototyped over the years.


948a36 No.545518

>>545515

>>545514

I was looking at the sight. It looks like one of those 60 gorillion yard sights and not a flip up to raise it higher up like on an AR or other bullpups. So with my thinking you either remove your cheek bone to get proper weld or put your cheek on the 1 inch bit of wood right behind the bolt making the sights a bit more usable. Either way I want a cross section of it to see the internals and try to figure out what the fuck they were thinking. maybe the removable bit has something in it like a fucked up folding stock for some reason or maybe it's just a heavy wood cover for screw holes and the mag floor plate


85fc18 No.545552

>>545518

Considering that it is explicitly stated to be 'an experimental model' it may well have been built simply to prove that you could move the trigger in front of the chamber, it may never have been fired from the shoulder - if at all - in its entire life. I've not been able to find schematics or any description of what the fuck is happening inside the wood, but there is at least one claim of a surviving example (at least one that had survived until about 2012)

https://www.gunvaluesboard.com/m1903-bullpup-731.html


e13ba6 No.545569

>>545560

Neocalico

future gun of the future of the future today


326feb No.545591

>>545464

I think that is less a bullpup springfield and more of a war club with a springfield attached.


85fc18 No.545597

File: 36552ddeebd8665⋯.png (40.92 KB, 640x465, 128:93, Thornycroft Carbine.png)

>>545591

It looks like a 12 year old who never learned much more than basic carpentry trying to recreate a gun from an old bolt handle and a few poorly remembered descriptions. They were experimenting with bullpups long before the cold war though, the Thornycroft Carbine was patented in Britain in mid 1901.


1c9352 No.546034

Brawler rifle.

>Gas rod operated bullpup

>Entire package is designed at 18 inches long

>12" of barrel, can be braked

>Uses a cartridge I designed- cut the neck off a .308 and size the first .6 of an inch in a 44 magnum die and stuff it with powder and 300 grain 44 magnum bullet. OAL 2.2 inches.

Rifle is designed to fit across your forearm and hand when moving through tight spaces. Has both innawoods and LEO use in mind, where it's light and compact frame with big bore power can do rapid, repeatable and catastrophic damage to any threat to the operator, or instantly stop a hunter's quarry.


d63774 No.546735

How about a Pederson Device-type fullauto conversion for the Nugget in 7.62x25?


b81021 No.546768

>>546735

>Pederson Action

>7.62x25

Might as well have a Borchardt C-93 in .50 AE while you're at it.


85fc18 No.546776

File: 1e0f2dde04a49ef⋯.jpg (10.02 KB, 480x360, 4:3, .22 Earsplittenloudenboome….jpg)

>>546768

>Borchardt C-93 in .50 AE

>Not loading it with .22 Earsplittenloudenboomer

>Do you even /k/ design thread?


b81021 No.546790

File: 0d2a85acd2b1217⋯.gif (334.41 KB, 293x181, 293:181, 1420182806427.gif)

>>546776

>.22 Earsplittenloudenboomer

>Not for American 180


583a15 No.546792

>>545597

>oy guvnor where do I puts me teef-holder

>lissen 'ere bruv, AIMING your royfle is incredibly dangerous an homofobic, gonna hav to go ta jail now


85fc18 No.546799

>>546790

/k/ usually goes wonderfully, if impractically, over the top.

>>546792

The cheek rest is in front of the bolt, retard.


28d56b No.546814

File: 44f41d3480b36e4⋯.png (1.31 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, stgmetro.png)

File: e6e008ff2b54174⋯.png (2.96 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Call To Arms Screenshot 20….png)

Was gonna post in the video games thread but figured this might also be a decent thread to bump with.

Anyways doing a Metro themed mod for myself in Call to Arms, thought up of this ugly mess for the Nazis. Basically an STG 44 chambered in 5.45, AKSU stock for extra ugly points too.

Wanted to use the STG 45 but I can't find any models for that to actually download and use, that would fit more with the theme of Nazis nigger rigging slav rigging in this case their own guns.


85fc18 No.546821

File: e863280b78f4117⋯.webm (464.99 KB, 480x360, 4:3, What the fuck is that.webm)

>>546814

>an STG 44 chambered in 5.45, AKSU stock for extra ugly points too.


28d56b No.546823

File: 4a284e39ec8ad76⋯.jpg (158.31 KB, 1296x582, 216:97, DSCN0624cs.jpg)

>>546821

Pretty much, its as ugly and retarded looking as it can get. Which is why I'd rather have

>pic related

Cause that fits more in line with Slav making shit in the metro with STG aesthetics cause muh Forth Reich.


e161a1 No.546825

does anyone have the cap of the "mateba sex revolver"?


85fc18 No.546842

>>546823

Are the sights just going to be 3 nails hammered into the top of it?


a6e708 No.546855

File: 083c58c7a65a815⋯.jpg (97.62 KB, 1400x462, 100:33, Windham-Weaponry-CDI.jpg)

File: ad860603b149cca⋯.jpg (46.24 KB, 880x660, 4:3, 872027.jpg)

File: 53436b1509c5761⋯.jpg (33.58 KB, 600x600, 1:1, ak-74-bulgarian-magazine.jpg)

File: 08317dd6a53b54b⋯.jpg (13.74 KB, 420x420, 1:1, 545-magazine.jpg)

File: d44f7a65a8d6c6f⋯.jpg (113.31 KB, 900x600, 3:2, AK-mag-gunsamericaDOTcom.jpg)

>>546821

>>546814

The mags fugged up, AK-74 mags are rock in, as opposed to the STG's AR-15 like mag well. If these are using 74 mags (which i assume they are, due to the curvature of the magazine) then they would be incompatible with the STG. The aluminum mag pic is of a 5.45 mag in stanag style, which would fit much better with your STG abortion. Or you could always change the magwell.


7d372d No.546940

>>546855

Thanks, the mags are from Last Lights AK models and that did cross my mind while I was doing it, just wasn't sure what else I could use. I'll look around for models similar to those, worse comes to worse I'll use a stanag.

ID is different cause I was using a vpn last night


96162e No.546945

>>546735

Its possible given a TT mag will fit in the magwell of a nugget.


5f03c0 No.547229

File: c35ffbb3b26ec9c⋯.jpg (76.08 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, Gun Jesus.jpg)

>>544848

Basically go watch Forgotten Weapons for a month, you'll know everything you need to know to design a good looking gun.

I say FW because it's interesting history and you don't fall asleep halfway through the disassembly process because the presenter isn't a dozy cunt with a lisp and a sloppy lip.

Also because Gun Jesus


85fc18 No.547247

File: 6a7a2fa5f3483dc⋯.jpg (26.77 KB, 480x540, 8:9, Driving the merchants from….jpg)

>>547229

I keep seeing threads with people reeing at him - never really bothered to check them TBH. But the firearms content is pretty good, especially for this case.


5f03c0 No.547264

>>547247

He's pretty awesome, he also does another channel called InRangeTV which is more gun-tests, range-stuff, competitions and "cool new stuff".


f290a8 No.547270

>>547264

>gun-tests

Not anymore, really. The channel's for two-gun matches, war/combat "related" material, and shitposting.

Quality dropped like a rock the past few months.


2a6094 No.547306

>>547270

I think Ian and Karl need to be separated. Karl's larping is really starting to rub off on Ian and we all know that Ian would be far to meek to do or say anything vaguely political if it weren't for Karl going on about his 1337 h4x0r edginess around him all the time.


2a6094 No.547312

Now for my bitch about two gun simulating anything other than aids.

It has pistol rounds

> Impling pistol s have any military significance beyond special forces and badges of office

It creates the artificial stress of time to replace the real stress of not dieing or god forbid being shot in the dick leading to completely different responses. Like fuck I'm being shot at I'm going to hide behind this wall get my shit together and lob a grenade Vs fuck Ian might go faster than me I'm going run straight past these targets I'm engaging in the open avoiding cover. Another example is their concern with reloads in the open.

There typical engagement distance is 50ish meters.

And my last pet hate is they aren't being shot at. How hard/unsafe would it be to add a cunt in a tower with a paint ball gun in a tower or a remote controlled one . If he tags you you are out of the running. That would get rid of the gammy shit.

I have no problem with 2 gun it looks fun but to pretend it is anything other than a less abstract 3 gun is absurd

Sage for off topice


85fc18 No.547315

>>547312

You're forgetting the most important military use for pistols executing captured hostiles, enemy civilians, and the occasional coward from among your own ranks


2a6094 No.547321

>>547315

Don't be a wasteful faggot use your bayonet


9e2c86 No.547770

I've long had this idea for a belt-fed M82 variant. it wasn't until recently i found out that you can get links for .50 BMG that are open on one side like most modern links and not the cconventional closed links.

turns out the M85 machine gun used in the M60 used open links. and you can get them for $6 per 100.

so it's entirely possible to make a belt-fed .50 without needing to design in a delinker.


85fc18 No.547787

>>547321

>use your bayonet

Ugh, how disgustingly barbaric. Even the Soviets would spare you that indignity. You just went full Peoples Republic of China, you never go full Peoples Republic of China.


583a15 No.547796

>>547247

>>547229

>>547264

Ian is a decent firearms historian and a terrible range shooter. Being good at disassembling antique guns does not translate to combat experience or even knowledge of practical firearm use outside of 50 yard airsoft. See kiwibro >>547312 for more; 2-3 gun matches are for Keanu Reeves to practice fight choreography for the next John Wick film and for military dropouts/washouts/armorers to impress their dipshit friends with their ability to shoot chunks of metal with all their High Speed FagTac they don't even go running with. You can do competition shooting with a focus on developing combat skills, but like most things involving competition with other humans it'll often devolve from constructive training to "i've got a $3500 match AR that automatically drops empty magazines and closes the bolt on inserting a new one, binary trigger, etc etc give me my $50 condor tactical gift card please". Forcing shooters to take cover while reloading, increasing engagement distance, and the admittedly funny concept of having a cunt in a tower shooting paintballs at you or something would make things a lot more interesting- and hopefully a lot more effective at developing useful marksmanship skills down a two way firing range.

I'm no special forces member and I'm not a hacker. Karl isn't either, but he pretends to be both when he's a forty-five year old IT guy with a loose gut and looser lips which contentedly flap on about bullshit as Ian bobbles his head in the background because he's not good at competition shooting.

InRange is basically the Rick and Morty of firearms channels. Pseudointellectual at best. Forgotten Weapons used to be okay, but Ian's taking too much of Karl's viral loads and it's pouring over into his videos.

Go look up Paul Harrell for the real good stuff. The Miami Dade video is a masterpiece and borders Surviving Edged Weapons for quality training videos.




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