/k/ - Weapons

>>543955

>hey /k/ I'm looking to create a capable guerilla force on a budget

Two things:

<if you have to ask, you can't do it

<irregular warfare is not based around money but around manpower

Now that being said, the basis of everything you build needs to be low maintenance and fast. So using bikes as transportation is retarded, use something motorized like dirt bikes. For indirect fire, use mortars and rocket artillery depending on the size of the force. Also remember to kill and expropriate any leftists you meet. They are all worthless.

>Bicycle infantry

>Mortars

Combine the two and you are good to go.

Either use a quadcycle, or a bicycle with a wagon to mount the mortar/carry the ammo.

You can also use a motorized equivalent (ATVs and offroad motorbikes) for the same purpose but with higher speed.

Also: we had this thread a thousand times.

>>543976

Do you have any context on the radio/panzerfaust-equipped donkey? I'm trying to think how that would be remotely useful or if it was just a bored soldier trying to get some laughs.

>>543976

Reliability and logistic simplicity. You don't need to feed bikes like you do cars and donkeys, also bikes are very difficult to break.

>>543964

I like it, also sorry I'm not from here. I guess it makes sense, this just came up in irc and made me chuckle.

>>543958

>low maintenance

>fast

why not bicycles?

Oh course on the manpower front. Also 3rd position so don't worry.

>>544042

>I'm highly interested in military democracy, where officers are promoted by their inferiors;

Is this some "Resist Drumpf" bullshit?

>>544042

>The idea is to reduce raw materials needed as much as possible while retaining equipment standards.

You have to pick one or the other to focus on, you can't do both, you'd end up with a hodgepodge of materiel with no real way to logistically deal with it on a macro level.

>In order to reduce logistic complexity I think bicycles aren't a bad idea.

they aren't for logistical complexity, they're for lengthening infantry range, as >>544056 said, trucks, horses and motorcycles.

>The way I see it bicycles are useful in every terrain but swamps given with extra time for forests which need trails to be cut.

You also can't really use bikes in a hilly terrain (unless you want to deal with alot of injuries) or mountainous areas.

You also need to not look inconspicuous when transporting men or materiel.

>I'm highly interested in military democracy, where officers are promoted by their inferiors; however, I'm not sure of the efficacy.

It isn't, you can't have a democracy in something that demands ABSOLUTE order to work. You can only do this through merit of action.

>I think a guerilla war is entirely dependent on the support of locals, and their support is a prerequisite to the conflict.

It isn't, you can "manufacture consent" in a few ways, one is being the biggest dick, the other is using criminals to do it for you and the like.

>Also at least in the beginning it should be assumed that a guerilla force has no support from traditional forces.

You don't get support from traditional forces at the start, but if you don't have support from an outside state, then you're pretty much doomed. Whether support is ignorance or in the form of tangible items you really need shit from the outside. Unless you're a nation within the G20 that is.

>>544056

>Wouldn't work for the same reasons regular democracy doesn't work

It isn't democracy, it's what you're allowed to democratically vote on.

If you're voting for or against rights your democracy has failed to set limits to what is a choice and what is not.

>The transition period should take place over the period of a few weeks.

This has never really happened anywhere except for Soviet Russia, and that was only because Lenin had support from Prussia and Austro-Hungary and it was during a war.

>>544060

Standards doesn't necessarily mean quality.

>they aren't for logistical complexity, they're for lengthening infantry range.

That makes sense.

>You also can't really use bikes in a hilly terrain (unless you want to deal with alot of injuries) or mountainous areas.

Mountain biking is a thing, troops would obviously need training and in some areas you might need to make trails but other than that it should work.

>Whether support is ignorance or in the form of tangible items you really need shit from the outside.

Oh complicit support I think is certainly reasonable.

>>544054

>>544056

As far as the military democracy is concerned I was just hoping to avoid a autistic chain of command, and a guerilla force unlike a traditional military has to maintain the constant and absolute support of its troops otherwise they could just defect no? I guess I'm wrong.

>transition

I agree that the transition can be fairly quick and in a similar manner if you've got infrastructure (people, politics, & economics) laid out to some extent in advance.

>>544065

Fair.

>>544071

No I think that's about it. Thanks for you help.

Well actually I haven't taken a look at >>487216 yet, but do you have any books you like? I'd love to comeback here and talk more once I've learned a little more.

>>544071

As a rule imageboards need to be moderated more to stay on topic, I'd still rather be here than anywhere else though.

>>544075

Sure, I don't mind helping a fellow /k/ommando out. Also have a look at >>480825

Try these on for size as well to stay on topic.

http://docdro.id/xnnAmhq

http://docdro.id/g1HBtne

http://docdro.id/GaJPbxt

http://docdro.id/AlmeYGo

http://docdro.id/m9VVgoG

>>544078

I agree

>>544075

If you want a couple books on Insurgency/C-Insurgency I'd recommend The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (Which I think contains hand-down the best organizational structure for destroying the value of HUMINT,) The Malayan Emergency in Retrospect (simply notable as the most successful C-Insurgency operation to date,) and the Guerilla Warfare portion of the Mega Folder– Total Resistance being one of 59 pdfs in that folder.

It's also important if you aren't doing so already to keep an eye on Liveuamap like a Physicist might keep a consistent eye on scientific journals to stay aware of cutting-edge developments in his field.

https://b.doko.moe/hgakmb.html

https://b.doko.moe/ojrwsx.pdf

https://a.doko.moe/umfnwl.pdf

>>544079

Thanks anon! Looks like I've got some /cozy/ bedtime reading for a little while.

Also that's a much better thread than the one I was looking at.

>>544084

Thanks I'll check out these too. I'll be honest though I haven't really been looking at "recent developments" very much. I just decided that I can learn a lot more quickly just by reading books, for me the news just became a talking point rather than a learning experience. I still listen to Caspian Report and Radio War Nerd but those are a little different. Regardless cheers anon.

>>544042

>military democracy

What makes you think it'll fare any better than normal democracy? I.e. abysmally? Voting is a fucking popularity contest farce, people who vote based on merit are outnumbered by bumbling retards who vote based on image and appeal ten to one. Military is not the kind of place where you want this problem, this is why all armies in existence use authoritarian dictatorship governing model, with men roles and orders assigned by their superiors, and no questioning allowed. It would be a superior country governing model if it wasn't for the fact that finding a decent politician in the government is like finding a diamond in a pile of shit, so there needs to be ways of getting rid of them quickly without anyone overturning it.

>>544084

>Guerilla Warfare portion of the Mega Folder

Which Mega folder is that?

>>544056

>drive-by

>you won't hit shit while driving so don't even bother trying

Unless you're spray and pray champion like me. It takes practice but spraying while running or driving lands a few hits on the target, which is all you need to do. Don't attempt to make aimed shot though, you'll never make it.

>>544063

Isn't enough that an "autistic" chain of command will destroy itself? Not only that, but the very idea of an "autistic" commanding staff is extremely unlikely in any other context but that of conventional armies. In so far as guerrillas cannot grow or establish themselves without the "constant and absolute support" of it's members, the very existence of the guerrilla proves the viability of the chain of command. If you take a look at successful guerrilla leaders, they're generally charismatic people. I don't think this is a real issue.

>>544060

>It isn't, you can't have a democracy in something that demands ABSOLUTE order to work. You can only do this through merit of action.

But that's not true, Swiss, some landkener banners and Cossacks almost always elected their captains.

That didn't made them less effective (often quite the opposite).

It's the same shit as usual, democracy only works on small scale. In a group of a couple hundred men (max) everyone knows who is the most apt to do X.

>>544042

Retard how would LESS qualified personnel make better promotion decisions???

>>544131

Democracy is unnecessary in guerrilla formations because you're not compelled to join the group. You can leave at anytime. You're in the group because you believe in that group's goals. Naturally, you will want the best possible commander available to lead your squad, company, etc in order to achieve those goals. At the scales we are talking about (5 to 600 men), what >>544148 says will play out naturally. The difficult part comes at and above the battalion level. A different system must be developed in order to select staff officers and/or warlords. The meritocratic system makes the most sense in that case.

>>543955

Motorcycles/scooters on cities, pick up trucks at the highways/dirt roads/the great unknown.

As for a self propelled infantry, it depends of much shit you want to fuck up and your resources or how much your sponsors are willing to give you. Check out the improvised grenade launcher devised by that commie faggot Che Guevara, also used by syrian rebels and ISIS.

>>544316

*self propelled artillery, fucking hell I need to sleep

>>551742

>that pic

>your comment

>thin guys

Clearly you're a fag. We need big guys with thicc hairy arms that say "we can hold you tight and keep you safe in our warm embrace or make you beg for release then make you dream about being dominated by these arms everytime you look in the mirror" just by flexing. Skate boards will be involved too of course.

>>551745

It's for speed nigger. Imagine Michael Moore or some other degenerate fat fuck trying to ollie. It would be comical as shit, but he'd probably break his wrist. Not that I'm not in support of Moore breaking his wrist tho

Soviet and Chinese 107mm artillery.

Caseless, it has a part rocket, part hi-lo launch system that is very accurate. Delivers the explosives of a 60mm mortar and fragmentation mass of a 105mm howitzer shell on an enemy target. So same amount of fragments, but they're slower and go less far.

It can be launched accurately using an improvised launch rail made of dirt, but a bike driven set of reusable metal launch rails exists as well for rapid saturation fire.

>>552092

I'm sure if you made the frame out of aluminum, you could make 16 and 20 tube versions possible.

>>552104

Possible to be towed by human powered bikes. The real question is why?

>>552115

To shoot rockets at people most efficiently.

>>552104

>aluminum

What are you some kind of capitalist? Weapons can only be built out of mild steel.

>>552115

Well imagine a team of 20 such bikes, launching and smoke/frag attack on the regional headquarters of an occupation force.

Then a group of fifty of your boyos with SMGs storm it, kill everyone, steal anything not nailed down, and exit.

To prevent enemy from following them, you be reloading your bike arty, and when your boyos cheese it out of the building you launch again at any enemy forces organizing to follow and kill your boyos.

It's basically a perfect insurgency weapon, right now Talibs just shoot RPGs at an angle but that is retarded.