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Currently looking at "Camosystems Ghillie Suit Jackal Woodland " which looks like a pretty high quality one. I like how long the strands are and how there's no missing square in them like I see in other ones.

Best vid I've found on the subject

>buying ghille suits

HAHAHA! Oh wow, why not make your own and perfetly tailor it to your needs?

How to?

It's simple. Buy some good old sandbags and obtain a smock that is too large for you and can can be worn over your gear without problems.

Cut the sandbags into stripes of roughly 1-2" width and about 5" length, then sew them to the back, shoulders and top side of the arms of the jacket. I suggest using a sewing machine for this. Doing it by hand takes more time for a worse result.

There is no need to add strips to the chest or belly area. When you are using a ghille suit you will be crawling most of the time anyways, and they will rip off more easily. Maybe add extra padding, or an insulating layer of leather to make laying on the ground for many hours more bearable.

After that is done and you think the result is sturdy, take some rattlecans and spray the sandbags to conceal their original colour. Then get innawoods and crawl through some mud and dirt. Let the suit dry in the sun, the dirt will stain the suit nicely and add a much more natural colouring to the whole thing. You can also adjust the length of some of the stripes, and reinforce the connection in places you think need it the most.

You can also add some rubber bands, which will allow you to attach natural camouflage from the environment more easily. Don't foeget to cover the hood in strips as well. Cut straight lines into one of the sandbags, but leave maybe 3 to 5 cm (or the thick stitch that holds the sandbag together) intact. Attach it to both sides of the hood, so that it covers most of your face.

Pants work just the same. You don't need strips of sandbags along your front side at all, especially not in the groin/knees area. You can also make a cut along the front of the ghille pants and remove some of the fabric there, this allows you to put on the ghille pants without taking off your boots. Just use a rubber band to keep the lower part of the pants together and prevent it frol flopping about.

All of this can be accomplished in less than a weekend of work, and is about as cheap as can be.

Sandbags: not even 10€

Old surplus Smock and pants: maybe 50-80€

old jackets and panta from the thriftstore work too

Sewing materials: lol, it's maybe ten meters of thread at most. Less than 2€

Rattle cans: 5-10€

If you don't already have a sewing machine it is good to get one. You can fix your own clothing instead of buying new ones, and if SHTF you should know that most of them have a wheel for manual drive as well, so fixing clothes or making new ones would be possible even without power.

Good ones cost quite alot, especially now that the market for them has collapsed, but maybe your grandma has one she can give you.

>>542227

The only problem I have about this is that the sandbags start to smell really bad

>>542362

and they're itchy. me, i was pondering a "ghillie poncho" or cape. something you can use with normal clothing and still have coverage when prone, instead of 200lbs of bushwookie suit.

>>542362

Because they rot. You can cut the thread and attach new ones if you want to.

On the other hand, your suit is supposed to look like nature, and to look like nature it must contain natural materials. Natural materials simply start to rot and wither, which creates a natural smell. Either wash it (in a barrel of cold water with very little soap or no soap, you don't want dirt in your washing machine) to get rid of the smell and accept that you will have to re wash it (and probably replace some sandbag stripes), or use a synthetic material instead of burlap sandbags, like plastics.

Just as a heads up: plastics won't take on the dirt colour as easily, and will rustle a little louder than burlap does. It does also dry much quicker, and is much easier washable, while the stitching won't hold as easily (the thread will rip through the plastic fibers if you don't make the stitching fine enough.)

I would reccommend sticking to burlap and just redoing it once the burlap starts to rot away. Once you have practice it becomes a matter of an hour to prepare a full suit, and you can adjust it easily to the terrain you expect.

Take a sharp knife and cut the thread along the stitching.

It is never a bad idea to have some extra sandbags in the house, You can use them as extra bags for transporting stuff as well, especially ammo or other loose items, such as bolts, screws, scrap metal, casings, potatoes, onions, peestool magazines, clothing, gravel, anything you can stuff into a bag and throw over your shoulder really. We used them to transport our camo material, then use the sandbags to make a proper place to rest the rifle while observing.

>>542366

>itchy

You are meant to wear long pants and a proper shirt with these suits. Burlap isn't really heavy, and you don't need more than three or four sacks for a smock.

Now SOAKED burlap is heavy as shit. Another thing plastic sacks have going for them. If you expect to go into the rain, or wade through water, or do any coastal ops, go with plastics.

>ghillie suit

A camo net is easier to use, cheaper to buy or make, hides you better, and is more versatile (can hide vehicles and structures too).

>>542227

>>542375

Thank you Krautbro. There is some very good info in your posts.

>>542384

Honestly any tiny bit of experience helps. Camouflage is not something you learn from books or posts, you gotta do it, see how it works, and then redo it.

After a while it won't be about how well camouflaged you are, but about how little effort you can put into it.

You see, there is this chinese artist who paints himself to blend into the environment he is in, much like a chamaeleon.

However he takes days of oreparation, experimentation and hours of painting for a single photo.

When you do this stuff regularly, dig holes, hide inside them, camouflage your periscope, hide beneath fallen trees, in cracks between rocks, under bushes or low evergreens you start to get lazy, and this is where being lazy is fantastic.

You want to expend as little effort as possible on the best possible camouflage, so you (or the people who came before you) come up with all kinds of little tricks. It's more about getting bored of doing it the propper way and fining an easier solution with the same effectiveness.

Just experiment around, and whenever you believe that something takes too much effort, try to find a way that will make it easier.

For example attaching natural camouflage like leaves, twigs, grass or moss to your ghille suit used to be a massive pain in tje ass. Then some guy told me to sew some of the rubber bands you use to keep your pants above your boots to the suit, and use those to fasten the natural materials.

It worked really well, and is a thousand times faster than taking strings and tieing knots around everything.

At first we had to autisically paint our faces and scrub really hard to get the paint off afterwards, but once we began to conceal our faces behind burlap rags attached to the hood, we would only need to do so for the area around the eyes.

However you also end up wasting hours on shit that doesn't work.

For example I once tried to find a better way to conceal my hands. Gloves work, but the shape of a hand is rather distinct, and not very subtle. Especially when it's cold you NEED to move your fingers once in a while so they won't freeze off.

So I had the genious idea of taking Nylon socks, sewing strips of plastic sandbags to them and putting that over my hands. It was meant to allow me to still use my fingers freely, but also conceal them even if I moved them.

Didn't work out. Nylon socks aren't sturdy enough. They began ripping when I was just sewing the strips to them, and any twig in the forest would just ruin them completely.

In the end I just used longer sleeves on my suit and called it a day.

>>542395

Top right ish area, behind the rock. Barrel shows through, creating a bit of shadow

>>542400

Bottom right, on top the great boulder. The muzzle is the only thing that sticks out.

Please keep posting. This is fun.

>>542227

In America you can find good working sewing machines at Salvation Army -type places, on the cheap. No one once 'em, no one uses 'em, but women keep buying 'em.

>>542535

>>542426

I wonder when will we see high resolution cameras and neural learning combined to find snipers.

>>542216

I made one back when I was like 10 or 11 and also purchased one for 100$ later on when I was a bit older.

The one I paid for was utter fucking garbage in comparison to the one I made (with my father's guidance) too the point actually buying a ghilliesuit is probably a unspoken sin not even considering how much they charge for the fuckers.

The one I made all I used was a old set of BDU's, decorative netting, and shoe glue to keep the netting too the blouse, pants, and boonie cap. It's been nearly 9 years and the glue is still holding strong though I wouldn't go trying to testing its limits.

Honestly hand made ghillies win out hands down just for price and the availability of the stuff to make 'em.