/k/ - Weapons

>>538961

>At a probable ~$500 street price will this be the PCC to capture a vast untapped market between the niches of the richfag CZ Scorpion Evo 3 and the poorfag/nigger Hi-Point?

Please do not refer to the Hi-Point as a nigger weapon. It comes in 10mm, and only true gentlemen of the refined taste for the simpler things know its true value.

That being said, I don't think this competes with the Scorpion Evo. The Scorpion is more tacticool, takes all kinds of aftermarket, and is designed for military/police use.

But this has a good purpose too, as a training rifle. .22lr is cool and all, but sometimes you want something more. This is definitely it, especially for a teen. I know Christmas is over, but you can still give the gift of daka.

>>538964

Why the fuck did I think I was making paragraphs?

>>538965

So you can have a half dozen faggots all sperging out about "HURR DURR MUH PLEBBIT SPACING TOP GOLD MY FRIEND HURR DURR"

>>538965

Because you subconsciously wanted to trigger some fags.

>>538972

I've never seen it happen, but it's not really a fighting gun. It's just fun as shit.

>>538972

Am I just seeing what I want to see, or are all "black" people in higher up positions more mixed than usual?

>>538977

No it's a common thing. Mixed blacks are more docile and less niggerish than their primate relatives.

>>538980

Mine takes glawk boolits.

Id get one because i like ruger, 9mm is reloadable and stupid cheap, and it puts larger holes in things than a .22. Its also kinda sorta got that mini-14 aesthetic. Id certainly use better looking mags in it though, the pistol mag just looks silly hanging off the bottom of that.

>>538984

>1996

Not everyone remembers being an adult in the olden times, grandpa.

>>538964

>500 street

Unless you want the takedown part (How much small is it than a sidefolding stock?) or weight, I'd rather get a PSA AK. Practice 9mm costs the same as 7.62x39 (The AK extractor can actually take the steel case unlike every 9mm in existence).

>>538989

(If I wanted something for practice but more recoil than a 22).

>>538964

You know, I never wanted to buy a Hi-Point product ever. But since they're going to make one chambered in 10 mili-meme, I'm honestly starting to consider it, and it feels weird. Like I would be somehow betraying all my other raifus for inviting a cheap whore into the safe.

>>538998

>What's even the point of this meme?

9mm rifles are fun, and a nice, light and handy carbine in a caliber you can actually do something with is a nice thing to have, especially if you actually get out of the city and shoot things other than paper.

Also,

>Hi-Point

>High quality

You're out of your crack smoking mind fucko.

>>539005

Hi points being trash is a meme. They're low cost, but definitely not trash.

>>539006

>>538998

I mean, I agree considering the creator of Hi-Point just wanted to make affordable firearms that anyone could buy to protect themselves with. That in and of it's self is a fine goal that as far as I know, only Hi-Point was able to achieve. However, it's the dirty niggers that use stolen Hi-Points in their gang crimes that kind of perpetuated the "Hi-Points are shit" meme. So the psychology behind it is that nobody wants to be associated with a gun that has high representation by niggers.

>>539006

There's nothing wrong with the Hi Point for what it is, but calling it high quality is utterly retarded and shows the speaker gives no meaning to language and would be better suited attempting to communicate with finger paintings.

>>538991

>Working carbine in 10mm

I really wouldn't be complaining about a good gun. It ain't a CZ, but it apparently goes bang, works very well and reasonably accurate. 10mm is a fantastic round for a small action, IMO the best automatic pistol cartridge there is.

>>538961

>>538998

>What's the point of a pistol carbine, why do you guys say SMGs suck

Let's start with the second, to address the first.

A subgun is usually designed as a midway between a carbine and a pistol. Rifle ammo sucks in short barrels (with the exception of .300BO, and that one basically performs like a .357 mag with a better BC in 10"bbl), due to the powder used in them requiring a longer burn time than what's available in short barrels. A pistol round that doesn't end with magnum tends to use very fast burning powders that favour 4-10" barrels, with the amount of increase of velocity per inch dropping off- dramatic examples are found here in 9mm auto.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html

Magnum cartridges have the ability to use powders like W296 clones, which are fast enough to burn properly in pistol rounds and not waste a lot of it out the barrel, yet slow enough to give very nice velocities out of short barrels. Leverguns in magnum cartridges display this wonderfully.

Since it is compact, but still more powerful in some cases than a comparable rifle with similar ranges, you can have it folded across your fore-arm and body whilst moving through tight spaces- learned this one from a Reno swat member, and have a light, very fast and powerful weapon with little comparable recoil to a pistol, especially in cases such as 10mm- where you have to put your testicles on to shoot it, or better yet hot .44mag.

For automatic cartridges, you probably would be better off with a 12 inch barrel on a properly fitted stock rather than a 16 inch or 20 inch. since that's where their advantage lies when clearing buildings or going innawoods. For big, fuck-off .454 casull shooting hard-cast at ridiculous speeds that would turn a bruin inside out?

Give me an 1894 in a 16 inch barrel, because the dumb amount of short range dickery that can be done with straight wall cartridges is amazing.

>>539072

Seeing people who use slow rifle powders in short barrels makes me cringe as a reloader. You have to use fast rifle powders like >>539020 said and use very heavy bullets to actually make them worthwhile.

>>539074

>not wanting to turn your rifle into a flashbang/flamethrower

I bet you don't even mosin.

>>539079

Bullpups aren't actually bad. They squeeze a full size rifle inside of a carbine size package, or a carbine sized package in a subgun sized rifle.

>>539081

It's a fucking waste. If you're going to obrez your gun, cast a stupid heavy bullet and use magnum powders yes, that's right, cast a fucking 350 grain bullet for your mosin

I want one bad since 5.56 is pretty expensive for range blasting after a little while especially since my only reliable spots for cheap ammo now since lol beanerfornia would be walmart and a place in Inglewood aka niggerville.

Especially since I bought my first pistol and want caliber commonality unfortunately not the same mag since no one else uses cz 75 mags.

>>539005

>>539014

>can literally be shot, run over, drowned in a swamp, abused horrendously like a negro to a dog and still work

<hurr it not hi qualty muh glocks

>>539167

>doesn't understand that words mean things

Language is dead I suppose. I shouldn't be surprised, people like you are the majority now, when a thousand years ago you wouldn't even have been considered human.

>>538979

They tend to be Marxist as fuck though.

>>539196

You haven't retorted his argument, anon. Quit being a faggot.

>>539199

Well he didn't say that they weren't retarded.

>>539006

They aren't trash, but they are low quality in terms of jamming and looking like shit.

>>539199

Not always. I remember in my high school (white kids were the minority to paint you a picture of what it looked like) there were these two mixed kids, brother and sister (I think their Grandpa was German on one side, and the other side had some white in it too) the sister was practically a cross between a modern day SJW, a hippie vegetarian, and a Marxist, as opposed to the brother who liked the idea of going on African safari hunt some day, and being a stereotypical edgy kid.

pls stop coming to my USPSA matches. Getting stuck behind the PCC group sucks.

>>538961

Pistol carbines are useless

If you buy this, you are a retard.

>>538977

No. The most accurate predictor of nigger intelligence is their percentage of European ancestry.

>>539308

>useless

Totally. I tried to kill myself with one once and the bullets just bounced off my chin. Totally useless. Go on, try it, see for yourself…

>>539308

If you have an SBR or pistol with brace (my preference), they can be quite handy. They are also easier to suppress for indoor use.

>>539389

What would you think of the really short buffers? DFA has one that's 3", Gunsmoke Ent. has two that are 4" (older style works with any carrier, newer requires a chopped carrier with a lip ground in, I guess? for the spring to catch on)

This should mean the resulting AR-15 is actually a pistol … can be handled with both hands on the pistol grip …

>>539391

You can put them to your shoulder now. The only reason I would use the really short buffers is for something like a collapsing stabilizing brace. I personally don't use an AR pistol, as I prefer the CZ Scorpion Evo with a side-folding brace.

>>539399

> you can shoulder them now

But I want to build a pistol, not an SBR.

the 9mm barrel I just acquired is 16", not a pistol. But an AR with a small magazine, 9" barrel, and not much of a hand guard could indeed be a pistol … if the buffer weren't there.

I'd have bought one for my wildcat build that a coworker talked me into, but that short buffer costs more than the whole rest of the firearm!

>>539407

I mean, you can certainly do that. Almost like broomhandle kind of thing going on at that point. Sounds cool.

>>539308

I don't think so, anon.

https://www.google.com.au/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dx1TGGzsjp-8&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiytIS0_7LYAhUCfbwKHX5XDacQtwIICzAA&usg=AOvVaw1-PEdxo_ME2ATzUaN2xFVY

>>539385

>>539389

>>539421

This is almost too coincidental. Gonna have to call shill on you all.

>>539436

Yes, obviously the PCC manufacturers hired a bunch of posters to post on a board with few users. That makes sense and you don't have a mental illness.

>>539439

You think they have any dignity? There's already several threads on this topic, and you're posting in all of them. Don't deny it.

>>539441

Or, and get this, could be really important, PCCs are popular right now. Could that bee? Does that make sense to you, son?

>>539456

I'm dead serious, you retard.

>>539461

>PCCs are popular right now

No, they aren't.

>>539475

I'm not talking about your antique-in-the-making collection. I'm talking about the "new" rifle that's already existed for twenty years, and is the equivalent of a FOTM show.

>>539478

Keep moving those goalposts, faggot.

>>539479

That's been my point this entire thread. You do not have an argument.

>>539480

>Pistol carbines are useless. If you buy this, you are a retard.

Just stop, you total idiot. FFS, you called out a guy showing how a 44mag carbine could be fun or useful a shill.

>>539468

>I'm dead serious, you retard

I know, that just makes it worse.

>>539476

Literally Alex Jones tier, and they're not even getting paid for muddying the waters.

>>539481

>you called out a guy showing how a 44mag carbine could be fun or useful a shill

I called out someone defending a "new" twenty-year-old rifle with an obscene lack of jest as a salesman.

>>539483

>that just makes it worse

For you. You can hit enter once when ending a line, you know.

>>539489

You're right Anon, jew jew jew shill shill goyim. We shouldn't talk about history because of the Jews jewing Jews ZOG, and we shouldn't talk about guns because they are Jews too. Clearly banning cross-talk is a bad thing to do.

>>539475

As long as we're talking leverguns in pistol calibers, what's a good LA in 357? Preferably with a loading gate.

Also has anyone come out with a "modernized" lever gun or did their development pretty much stop?

Also the paranoid /pol/ack problem will stop when you stop wasting time trying to call them out. Hide, report and move on. Half of the problems this site has are due to the userbase failing to resist touching the poop.

>>539493

I'm still here for the same reason any of us are, shit's bad but alternatives are even worse. Not by as much as they used to be, but still worse.

>>539497

>l-look at me I am posting pictures of guns therefore I can talk about how the jews are jewing the jews because pistol caliber carbines because the pictures make my posts on topic and if you disagree you have to be a shill all my friends on /the_donald/ told me so

>>539501

>tfw you missed the $300 semi-auto Soumi carbines because 'ah they'll always be cheap'

>Now they're $800

Sometimes I want to punch myself in the fucking face.

>>539502

Dude I missed out on all the good surplus just because of my age and it pisses me off, you should be seething.

>>539504

I feel like I should expand on this. Stick within the recommended handloads and you're fine. I personally use a 358429 cast lead on top of 14 grains of w296 equivalent from the ADI powders handbook.

>>539491

Find a used Marlin 336 I think that's the one in ,357, they're still around at almost reasonable prices, and they will outlast your grandkids even if you load really hot.

As for modernized lever guns, the 1895 Guide Gun that Marlin did was pretty fucking nice, but of course that's all gone now. Remington killed Marlin AND Para. They can never be forgiven.

>>539504

Hand loading isn't something I'd be looking into any time soon, what're the best factory loads in your experience?

>>539506

>336

that's in 30-30 win, I think you mean the 1894 unless I missed something in the 2 minutes I spent looking.

>Remshit

That's a real fucking shame, it's finally a buyers market after obongo and so much has gone to shit in the last decade. We should put together a chart of brands that have gotten bought out and ruined in the name of (((other interests))).

>>539508

>that's in 30-30 win, I think you mean the 1894

You're right, I shouldn't drink and reply. Even so I've seen them at the $700 mark locally, less than you'd pay for a winchester or a henry, and in my opinion better than either. I don't know about your local market but a real JM marked Marlin is what I always recommend.

I've worked on and shot plenty of lever guns, and I love the idea of a .357 or .45-70 repeater, yet I just personally can't get comfortable with a lever-action rifle. Ain't that some shit?

>>539510

I'll have to keep an eye out, there's only a handful of decent gun stores in my half of IL so I spend more time looking online. I've got pretty bony hands which makes gloves mandatory with leverguns for me, pretty annoying.

>>539506

>>539508

>>539510

Taurus does a reasonable job of their guns. Not great, but not garbage tier either. Also, the last marlin I bought ain't too bad.

>>539513

Doh

Saged but didn't mean to.

>>539513

Gotta admit, Rossi lever guns are pretty damn nice, after a bit of smooth and tune. Their basic materials aren't bad, just their QC sucks.

>>539493

That one on the left there is gooood loookin'!

>>542588

This is what happens when you allow ARfags to run rampant, everything they touch has to have that stupid fucking collapsible stock instead of a nice sidefolder. They even made a sidefolder adapter so you can have a single shot bolt action AR

>>542588

That shit looks photoshopped

>>542655

It looks like if someone started a thread on /k/ with a picture of a regular lever gun and the thread title "How Do You Modernize This?", and then anons just went ham with editing the photo.

>>542646

>everything they touch has to have that stupid fucking collapsible stock instead of a nice sidefolder

>instead of a nice sidefolder

>nice

>sidefolder

Fucking niggertrash. Carve your gun out of a tree, or fucking DIE.

>PCC

Why?

>>542655

dubs not checked because you didn't spend 15 seconds on a search engine of your choice.

Take a look at the Mossberg 464 SPX Tactical. Its picture is in multiple places, in many calibers, and hitler uploaded it for our enjoyment.

>>542718

Just another forced fad for normalfags who can't devote more than a few pennies for a higher caliber, or even a rifle. Don't be surprised it's being pushed like some crummy magnetic spinner here.

>>542737

Aye, now is the era of consumerist gimmicks to keep the Americans buying. They won't even let us have all that sweet foreign merchandise, and yet they force shit like this or AR handguard #66734012 down our throat's.

>>539167

The word you want is "durability", not quality. "Quality" implies to a polished fit and finish, of which a Hi-Point has neither, but what a Hi-Point do have is reliability and durability, which is where it counts the most.

>>542718

>>542737

handy, adequate for small to medium game, in the past compatibility with your revolver sidearm.

nowadays, fun and cheap to shoot, and adequate for home defense.

>>542902

>fun

For self-defense? Don't get me wrong. Slight-of-hand has always been a curiosity of man, but "fun" beyond the humour of seeing a watchmaker's pistol in the flesh is Fudd, so unless you're collecting those past revolver-compatible firearms for antiquity's sake, you're effectively adding onto a rather superfluous and knacked market for utterly temporary and forgettable fad pieces meant to be a curiosity for future generations.

Don't support that kind of stuff, man. It's beyond you.

I'm in for one once I rebuild my gun fund a little bit. They announced the resurrection of the PC on the day I bought my .77/357.

It'll be my backup home defense rifle (shotgun is primary, with a Ruger SR9c as my sidearm.)

I own several Ruger pistols, revolvers, and rifles, and have found them to be of top quality regarding reliability, durability, and function (save for the cylinder crane on my SP101 being misaligned out of the box, which they quickly fixed on their dime.)

>>542718

>>542737

Explained it here.

>>539020

Rifle powders *S U C K* in short barrels.

The ultimate pistol carbine is the LAD machine gun.

Prove me wrong.

>>542928

>I don't know what fudd means stop liking what I don't like

Why are you even here, cuck? Only talking about what is practical would limit the catalog to 2 threads for an AR thread and a Glock thread.

>>543286

Except there is plenty to talk about, with past and future experimental weapons, along with what one argues is the prime form of defense. This has no bearings on any of that. It's a goddamn shitpost of a weapon, and it's disgusting to even discuss it in disfavour.

A PCC in .50AE or .500 S&W would be interesting, for hunting.

>>542940

>PLR-16

how is that? im interested.

>>543332

Wow it's fucking nothing. A 22 has no trouble going through ribs either. A hunting round should be able to go through the intended game's shoulder blade and straight through to its heart with no deflection. I'm not saying it can't but that picture is a big nothing, .45 long colt can do the same.

>>543336

Can the 45lc punch a 2 to 2 and a half inch hole and fuck up everything inside?

Speed kills bro. It's the same caliber, but acting as if that's nothing cool from an SBR is silly.

>>543327

It took chunks out of my wooden railing when I was first testing out the sights, with no muzzle device. Actually easy to handle for weighing nothing and being so flashy and loud, and so it really wants to be fired nog style just floating freely in front/sometimes above you (really just taught against a single point sling is ideal). That can really be fun when you're just shooting pumpkins or whatever. Haven't fired this one more than maybe 60 feet so can't speak to the accuracy. I really love the design though, handles about like a large pistol, and no stubby ar buffer.

I have had an issue with it not returning completely to battery sometimes, but I got it new and have only put about 400 through so far. Each time I take it out it's better, but still a real annoying pain in the dick. Seems to just be break-in, the Sub-2000 I got used and has had no such issues.

>>543290

>the style of carbine that was used to settle the entire American west is inadequate for defense and hunting

>t. guy who thinks PCC started as a marketing meme this decade

uh huh. maybe the meme is you.

>>543372

>instead of collecting the supposed weapons from this time you are buying contemporary remakes that hold no antique value

>>543439

Except that's not the intention here, as he was mentioning a period where full size rifles were available and yet chose a PCC and a pistol. PCCs are small, light, cheap to run and feed the same ammo as your pistol, which is important if you want to have only one caliber.

>>544252

>not desiring a Jungle Carbine in 9x19

Are you a homosexual, anon?