/k/ - Weapons

>>535688

I used to try to live as minimalist as my life allows me to, but my family always buys me shit even when I tell them to fuck off (especially food). I can't into minimalist lifestyle until I move out some time this summer or Autumn. Everywhere in town is expensive, but my job (electrical tech/electrical manufacturing) pretty much requires me to live in semi-urban environments (and I hate Midwest/Eastfags so I refuse to move any further East than Kansas, but I also hate Commiefornians).

>>535688

>But which one would you walk out that door with

>posted with hitler dubs

Okay I understand the utility of keeping it simple, but you also need the right tool for the job. You wouldn't sell off your philips screwdrivers because you can kinda make do with flat-heads, right?

Personally, having almost no guns (none fully assembled and working AtM) I envision something very different than you. Someday, I'm going to make a dual-holster to keep handguns at the small of my back. Being right handed, above my right hip will be a 10mm double-stacked pistol, and above my left hip will be a single-stacked, slimmer pistol in wonder-9.

Over my shoulder will be a rifle. If I'm not going far, it would be an AR or AK patterned carbine. If I have to hike for three days, it'll be a skinnier bolt action, and have a scabbard that goes from left hip to right shoulder. 6.5 grendel should likely have enough 'punch' unless I know I'll need more.

For home defense I plan on (again, someday far in the future) getting/building a magazine-fed SBS, hopefully AR-patterned and capable of firing 3-1/2" magnums but normally not loaded with more than 2-3/4" buckshot. Also, probably in 16ga but I'll have a 10 & 20 in the panic room. A 12ga I can steal off anybody in SHTF scenarios, and shy of that I can still buy/handload ammo for my preferred scatter guns.

I'm sorry, Strelok.

>>535714

I think he's right.

>>535714

Musashi said that it's a waste to get into a fight and not use every single weapon you had available; I believe the Kube would not want its children idle.

>>535749

>Dual holsters

Forgive me, but I'm not seeing the point of two pistols, especially since you plan on a 10mm.

>Sell flathead for screwdriver

Because of the fact that you can handload for them, a lot of guns are actually more like those screwdrivers that you can change the head on.

I agree with the rest of what you say, as you appear to have a clearly defined role for each of your weapons.

>>535759

>Forgive me, but I'm not seeing the point of two pistols

a few scenarios. Maybe the mugger knows I'm armed, so wants to hold the hand that goes to the gun he knows about. Fine, I can reach my wallet with my other hand …

Or likewise, I draw on Joe Mugger and didn't realize the druggie chick against the wall was his sister; she kicks my gun free but I can draw again and still be armed as well as better informed.

Or generally any circumstance where I need to draw/shoot with my left hand, hopefully not with much accuracy since I'm right handed.

>>535761

I'm a big fan of carrying a BUG, mainly because I'm rarely alone: I usually have my girlfriend/family/friend with me, and I want to be able to hand them a weapon if the need arises.

The reasons you mentioned are good too, as are:

- your primary gun has a double-feed, squib load, or some other failure that would make it slower to fix than to draw a new gun

- you are in a grappling/CQC situation and your primary gun is unreachable

- if you carry different types of ammo in both guns, you may decide that the ammo in gun B is a better tactical choice than that in gun A (I carry Barnes TAC-XPD 115 gr. in my primary 9mm, which offer great expansion and good penetration, plus a spare mag with heavy Buffalo Bore loads for when I need barrier penetration, and my BUG has 110 gr. SJHP .357 mag loads for OR 180 gr. hard-cast flat-nose for the woods.) Gives me more options for fine-tuning my level of force to the situation at hand.

>>535688

Honestly, I would be perfectly comfortable walking out the door with my 6" S&W 686+, my belly band holster, and my toolbox full of assorted .38/.357 ammo. It's the only gun I own that can do ALL of the following:

carry on my body

conceal (if absolutely necessary, under a jacket)

club someone over the head

reliably stop humans, through barriers, with one or two shots

take small game

take a deer at 100 yards (it's a stretch, but I can get it done with the right load)

Inb4 arguments

>>535773

>Inb4 arguments

Not OP, but I can agree it would do all those things you describe.

I've never personally liked the ergonomics of revolvers, but that's about my only complaint with your choice; the versatility of .38/.357 will get you a long ways.

Of course, as you've no doubt learned, .38 special ammo is dirty, and the residue is sticky. When I took my Hunter-Safety class (WA requirement to go hunting while underaged) the handgun instructor mentioned a day he was at a competition, and hadn't cleaned his revolver from the range-day of plinking .38. The shells got stuck after the first six shots, and he had to scratch the competition because he couldn't reload his revolver even after a couple minutes of, like, bashing the cylinder against his boot, shaking it furiously, or whatever else he could think of in a minute or five.

>>535778

Yes, I've had similar problems with some .38s, but only after a couple hundred rounds of the cheaper/dirtier stuff.

It's kind of funny, because I have plenty of guns that are better than the 686 for specific purposes, but none that CAN serve as many different purposes.

Give me a decent shotgun to go with it and I'm good to go anywhere.

>>535749

>Being right handed, above my right hip will be a 10mm double-stacked pistol, and above my left hip will be a single-stacked, slimmer pistol in wonder-9.

>single-stacked

>wonder-9

You understand that "wonder nine" refers specifically to a double stack 9mm, typically also having a lightweight frame of alloy, stainless, or polymer, as well as a DA/SA or DAO trigger, else some form of trigger or grip safety. Right?

And anyway, if you really needed a backup gun, wouldn't a mousegun in an ankle holster make more sense?

>>535836

I was thinking this too. Maybe some derringer in a big fuck off caliber like .454 casull.

Regarding ammo, do you guys have a bullet that does it all for your gun?

>>535773

This I can get behind, and not just because I have a giant boner for revolvers. A gun in .357 can drop large game given a 358429 with a stiff charge of 296 or 2400; Elmer Keith writes of btfo a brown bear that was territorial and having a go at his hunting party with one.

>>535883

>do you guys have a bullet that does it all for your gun

This is a tough question. What immediately comes to mind is a LEO-marketed factory cartridge like Hornady's Critical Duty line.

- It seems to offer reliable expansion in a variety of calibers and barrel lengths.

- Penetration is more than adequate for people targets, even through light barriers, and is probably just barely good enough to take some game at short range (especially in an appropriate caliber such as 10mm.)

- It's branded as a self-defense cartridge, so I don't see myself having legal troubles if I use it to kill a person. Yes, it's marketed toward law enforcement, but the argument could be made that "if cops can carry it, why can't I?"

Remington Golden Saber is a more budget-friendly option, but again, it seems to offer reliable-ish performance across all calibers and barrel lengths.

For reloading, I really like Hornady's XTP bullets, but if I had to use ONE bullet in my ONE gun, it would be some sort of semiwadcutter in my .357 revolver.

"minimalism" is a bourgeois pursuit almost exclusively held by the upper class. Even the CEO of le REDDIT calls himself a minimalist. That tells you all you need to know. Anyone who is actually a minimalist does not call himself as such.

>>535688

The nugget is pretty useful in that regard. A 240 grn reload can develop 3200ftlbs which is enough for bison, and if you use about 4grns of Trailboss, stuff the rest of case with cotton balls, fill the neck with birdshot and cap it with beeswax you get a shotshell for effective kills on grouse or squirrels at 7yds. 7.62x25 bullets can also be used for small game and subsonic.

Given that match grade and steel core are readly available, a single rifle can be pressed into multiple roles.

I've found that a pistol/revolver, a fighting rifle in an intermediate cartridge, and a bolt action in something fudd does everything necessary.

>>535927

>>bourgeois

>>>/Leftypol/

>>535927

>hurrrrr imma derail bcuz polidicks and rich people

fuck off and fetch a warm drink for your tranny BO, his throat probably needs it after that good fucking it got

>>535927

I see you represent minimalism in IQ?

>>535927

>"minimalism" is a bourgeois pursuit almost exclusively held by the upper class.

Well since most Americans live better than 70% of the world population I guess you could say that, but I'm most certainly not "upper class" or even "middle class," lefty faggot.

>Anyone who is actually a minimalist does not call himself as such.

I've always preferred the term "Spartan lifestyle."

>>535997

>Implying it did

The guy most certainly didn't seem to be enjoying it from the audio.

>>536001

kek

>>535836

>You understand that "wonder nine" refers specifically to a double stack 9mm

I'd understood the phrase to refer to this wonderful new(ly rediscovered) round that had so little pressure even wimmin 'n' chitlins could detonate it and stay vaguely on target, and could be shot through a variety of inexpensive, easily concealed handguns that snuck under the radar of many prevent-crimes-prevent-guns bills enabling a large number of gang-bangers to carry the wonder-nine as their std-issue round.

But that's about the same as what you'd understood. I've always referred to the ammunition as the wonder-nine, you're focusing on the handguns that eat it. They are sort of a package deal, for many.

What were we talking about? I haven't quite caught up in this thread, but I'd like to point out that in America, rich people are a healthy level of skinny (most of the time) and poor people are often overweight. I get the feeling that's applicable here, now.

>>536159

It's a historical term from Col. Cooper's time. What you understand or don't understand about the term is irrelevant to it's definition. I know here in amurrica it's hard to remember some times but words actually do mean things.

>>536176

>What you understand or don't understand about the term is irrelevant

My step-daughter is a college professor; she teaches students that grammar literally doesn't exist. The current understanding is that words are fluid; they literally have no meaning except for what you hear, which may or may not have overlap with what the speaker meant, or even spoke.

Words in amurrica literally do not mean anything; it's how we invented gays and third world countries.

>>536176

>>536178

Also, I see wikipedia supports your definition.

As long as we're having a somewhat philosophical discussion about minimalism:

I feel that "minimalism," that is, the pursuit of having less, is contradictory to what we should be striving for. We should be shooting for "efficiency" or "optimality": having exactly what we need; no more, no less.

Indeed, the pursuit of less, when executed properly, may very well lead you toward optimality, but once you hit a certain point you'll find that the energy spent dealing with sub-optimal equipment is greater than the energy spent having slightly more equipment.

So yes, I could walk out the door with just my full-sized 357 revolver, but life would be WAY easier with a smaller 357 revolver AND a shotty. I'd say my OPTIMAL loadout would be a concealable 357 revolver, a smooth bore shotgun + extra rifled barrel, and a .22 breakdown rifle.

This opinion doesn't just apply to guns, of course. I tend to follow these principals in many areas of my life. When someone asks, I may say I'm a "minimalist" because it's tl;dr to explain it.

>>536214

I like this answer. The least amount of weight and gear that will get the job done efficiently; you could forego any shelter and just build a hut every day but shit would suck.

In my opinion the best all around gun except for birds would probably go to an automatic battle rifle in .308. You can hunt and fight in most scenarios with it. For pistols I am split between the 10mm auto properly loaded and the .357 or .44 mag. A g20 would obviously have capacity, but you could stuff anything vaguely .358 caliber down the pipe of a revolver.

For everything on earth within 150 yards? 3.5" mag fed automatic shotgun all day erryday.

>>536565

4.5 grains of red dot under a tallowed 00 buck ball means whatever small game is in front of that barrel is dead.

Bump because I like this thread. I'm going to throw out some more sudo-philosophical ramblings now.

The more knowledge you have, and the more you practice with what you have, the less you'll need. This is another bit of advice that I try to live by, for both /k/-related tasks and everyday life:

- If you practice using one firearm for two tasks, you may find that you need one fewer firearm.

- If you have practical knowledge of living off of the wilderness, you may find that you need less food/water/gear in your bugout bag.

- If you keep your thermostat low in the winter and high in the summer, you'll consume less fuel/energy/money AND adapt to a wider comfort range; in a survival situation, maybe you'll be able to carry lighter-weight clothing or expend less energy chopping wood to keep yourself comfortable.

- Practicing building shelter quickly and efficiently in a non-survival-situation will help you tremendously in a survival situation.

I'm just gonna say it right now: a lot of people would be better off with a book than a backpack full of gear.

>>536988

>A book than a backpack full of gear

Probably better to have both tbh, but I think you're right- in fact, there's an article here that details what a hard as nails man with the know-how can do with very fucking little.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/survival.htm

>>535688

I think that there's a difference between simplicity and minimalism. You can live a simple life without living in a truly minimalist commie bloc concrete room. Minimalism doesn't require living a good life, where as simplicity is trying to keep life from becoming too complex, thus improving the quality of life.

>>538047

22 is great for squirrels and rats, but I think you would have to be pretty fucking lucky to take down any kind of big game with a 22.

>>538062

I think that's a pretty ignorant belief honestly. I have a half native friend that was telling me about some dude named john one-eye. he got that name from hunting game up to bear sized by shooting them in the eye with his 22lr rifle. I din't think its easy but it's definitely possible to kill large game with a .22lr, getting to that level takes way more practice than is practical for most people though.

>>538065

Yeah, I had a native friend who claimed he got pulled over doing 80 mph while having sex, and then proceeded to hand the cop $100 dollars to keep it off his record. They tell amazing stories, but it would take a real marksman to consistantly shoot a moving bear in the eye. Not to mention, if you've ever gotten close to a bear, most of them notice you before you notice them, and then run into the bushes.

>>538038

I like this answer too. The idea of basically flogging every rifle I have and just buying a 7mm-08 boltgun occasionally pops into my head; it would probably do everything I'd ask of it for my situation and do it very well.

Speaking of simplicity, what do you think of people who do ultralight camping?

What about the people who pack:

Two lighters, a hatchet, rifle, ammo, tarp, rope,sleeping bag, four MREs and a boilable water can + USGI tinnie for 3 days?

>>538556

My girlfriend and I have experimented with minimalist camping. Here's basically what we bring:

- a 3-person tent (our dog sleeps with us… she's a Siberian husky, so she helps keep us warm)

- 2 lightweight foam sleeping mats

- a fleece blanket

- 2 Maglites

- an aluminium mess kit

- a 5-pound bag of fresh fruits and vegetables (mostly potatoes, corn, and apples)

- a few pounds of steel-cut oats

- a small bottle of oil (olive, canola, or coconut)

- water (amount depends on whether we're camping near a body of water or not)

- a .22 rifle and a couple hundred rounds of ammo

- a fishing rod (during summer)

- a full-sized axe (worth the extra weight over a hatchet when we're cutting all our own wood)

- a few Bics and some dryer lint fire starters

- a couple good knives

- a few extra pairs of socks and/or thermal underwear

That's basically it. It's not "ultralight" by any means, but we still only bring what we can carry on our backs.

Usually we'll prepare oatmeal for breakfast, snack on fruits throughout the day, and bring back a rabbit/fish for dinner along with corn and potatoes. We did an entire week during the dead of winter once.

>>538628

Thanks. I'll keep what you wrote in mind with my own B.O.B, probably add a solar power pack in for my phone at night. Something that I appreciate is that during the coldest winter, you'd only have to keep your food sealed, as you've obviously got refrigeration.

>>538628

What the hell is your maximalist camping?

>>539049

A vehicle, with a trunk full of pre-cut firewood, a bigger tent, a tent heater, real sleeping bags, a cooler full of beer and food, folding tables and chairs, LED lanterns, bug spray and mosquito-repellent candles, maybe a boombox… all of this at an ACTUAL campground.

I could make shit real maximal real quick if I camped like half the people I know.

I know that I can probably cut down on some things, but that will come with time and experience. For now, that's what I'm comfortable with if I'm going to be walking into the woods and staying for a week.

>>539224

>I could make shit real maximal real quick if I camped like half the people I know.

Like the people who put a double wide trailer with wifi and cable in a lot at a campground and call that camping

>>538556

Sounds fantastic for those capable of it. While I am not a fan of John Muir's (found of the national park (not national forest) service) personal philosophy, I am impressed that he would often go camping with simply crackers and tea. Sounds way better than dragging a fat backpack weighing 70+lbs simply because you want to look at nature without feeling it.

>>539232

https://vault.sierraclub.org/john_muir_exhibit/life/john_muir_menu_j_parker_huber.aspx

I think I'd at least pack a rifle, a tarp and at least something resembling calories.