56f580 No.535470
Why didn't US try to stop Russian from annexing the Crimea?
American too scared to fight?
What would have happened if in early 2014 the US sent a task force to Crimea,
with the sole objective of freeing it from Russian forces?
I think that the US could have sent a carrier strike group to the Black Sea. There would of course be a battle with the Russian Black Sea Fleet, but, upon establishing control over the Black Sea, the US would use its carrier strike group to block Russian reinforcements from entering Crimea. From there, USA could use every last tool in the shed to destroy Russians in Crimea. Stealth bombers, all special forces units they have, paratroopers, marines, all kinds of missiles, prototype units, drones and so on. Eventually, despite many losses, the US would win. From the little I know, the biggest problems there would have been are naval warfare in the Black Sea (Russian submarines are dangerous, and the carrier strike group could be really fucked if anything went wrong), and Russian air defenses. Of course, that's not to mention the probability of escalation (Russian nuclear doctrine) and international outcry of a US-Russia war.
But that's just my ignorant opinion. What does /k/ think? Why did the US not use its military power to stop Russia from winning that crisis? How would a Black Sea battle between the US and Russia look like at that time? Would Russia have used its de-escalation nukes if there was an US intervention? And would the US win?
Apologies for poor English.
fd0dde No.535472
>Why didn't US try to stop Russian from annexing the Crimea?
Because Obama is a weak leader and there is nothing to gain in Ukraine.
099db9 No.535474
>>535472
>implying trump or any of our recent presidents would start a war with russia to prevent them a shitty part of ukraine.
049a6f No.535477
Crimea was part of Russia gifted to Ukraine by Khrushchev and was already under more or less Russian control. The US appeared unaware and unprepared for the invasion, given that they were poking the Bear.
5c5cdf No.535483
What would the US gain in beating Russia over a piece of land that belongs to Russia?
fd0dde No.535485
>>535474
I didn't imply anything of the sort. In fact that is what I just said, kneejerking sperg.
46326c No.535489
>russia wants to hear burgers shit talk Ukraine or sperg out about "totally WW3 guise"
>gets burgers mostly not giving a fuck
e58485 No.535490
>>535470
>the US sent a task force to Crimea
Why on Earth would the US do that? Not even the Chromite operation was in US plans, Mac saved Korea and Japan from gommunism by his own risky initiative since Truman didn't care for those countries enough to go on war for them and it's way handier to choke the enemy with sanctions instead of wasting blood of your fellow countrymen.
>>535477
>Crimea was part of Russia gifted to Ukraine by Khrushchev
In almost every bit of yrop and the world overall separatism can be justified by cherrypicking historic facts. There are facts as well "proving" Crimea should belong to Ukraine, become an independent Tatar state, belong to Turkey, to Greece etc. But of course this simple concept is way too much of a stress for a russaboo brains.
a2111d No.535491
>>535490
Slavs go back to Siberia.
Tauris is rightful Hellen clay.
b7a953 No.535504
>>535470
The fuck do I care about Crimea? Even if we did take it from you, what the hell would we do with it? The Ukraine is still in the middle of a civil war, and Crimea raised a battalion (I believe that was the word they used) of volunteers to fight against it. The people there voted to join Russia, and we know the vote was legit because polls conducted years before the civil war in Ukraine showed a majority of people there wanted to join Russia. So in the end, you're asking why the US wouldn't start a fight halfway 'round the world to force an unwilling populous to rejoin a country that isn't part of NATO and lies right on Russia's border. Why on earth would we? Would Russia intervene in Canada if Quebec decided to become a US state?
29b750 No.535507
>>535504
>Would Russia intervene in Canada if Quebec decided to become a US state?
I would beg them too because they'd be a faggier state than New York and California combined
e58485 No.535512
>>535504
>polls conducted years before the civil war in Ukraine showed a majority of people there wanted to join Russia
I've seen polls, there never wasn't even a 1/3 of them. Separatism is a bumpy road and people know that, it's way easier to return home on you own. Maybe some online poll on a Russian website is your source lol. However the vast majority of Sudeten Germans were happy about uncle Adie coming, but that wasn't considered enough of an excuse.
6fe3fc No.535524
>>535483
>>535504
It's not about what you gain, but about what you lose. The USA essentially let a violent regime violate a big country's national sovereignty in an unprovoked war of aggression. Let me say that again, just so it sinks in: The US let an undemocratic regime invade Europe's largest country in an unprovoked war. When things like that happen, the rest of the world leaders start thinking that maybe America isn't a reliable superpower we can count on to keep us safe, and maybe we should ditch American hegemony. World leaders start thinking maybe America isn't doing its job as world police, so they start looking for alternatives to American protection, like developing their own nuclear arsenal, or making regional alliances or alliances with countries like China.
6fe3fc No.535526
So yeah, it would have been definitely a very good thing to intervene in Crimea militarily from an American point of view, assuming it was militarily plausible.
fd0dde No.535527
>>535524
>The USA essentially let a violent regime violate a big country's national sovereignty in an unprovoked war of aggression. Let me say that again, just so it sinks in: The US let an undemocratic regime invade Europe's largest country in an unprovoked war.
Oh don't give me that bullshit you filthy little europoor, if we had stepped in you slimy fucks would be bitching about how it wasn't our fight and we should stop acting like the police of the world like you do every single other time we step in. You want us to be a big superpower and protect you all the while browbeating us when we do do it, how about you start handling your own fucking problems instead? You ever think about why the the majority of Americans loved the "America first" campaign slogan? Because we're sick of trying to act like Atlas, a job we clearly aren't fucking cut out for and most of us never wanted in the first place. Two faced faggots.
b7a953 No.535530
>>535524
>we will fight 'til the last American
5f91c2 No.535531
>>535527
Calm down. I'm talking about geopolitics, not politics. You're assuming I'm the type of guy to take part in hippie marches and the such and you're assuming I hold double standards. I'm not and I don't. "hurr durr not your war go home Ameriturd" is what bored teen agers talk about, but not world leaders. World leaders understand that when a nation goes rogue, the US goes after them. Take the Gulf Wars, for example. Lots of protests everywhere in the world, but how many countries or companies boycotted America? None, because grown ups understand Iraq went rogue and the way the post Cold War world works is you become a threat to world peace and stability, the superpower here kicks your ass. That's obviously a good thing. American power projection is why the world has become more peaceful. But what happened in Crimea demonstrated to the world America is not perfect and as we speak, alternatives to this system are probably being sought. Alternatives which are far more volatile than this current system. Think of Japan, for example. It's right next to several natural rivals, but its main ally has shown it might not keep true to its defense commitment and it has the potential to develop nuclear weapons of its own. So if you were Japan, would you still count on a faraway and unreliable ally, or would you perhaps at least consider its about time you get your own deterrent? That would be the thought process of not just Japan, but also of countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, South Korea, South Africa, and so forth and so forth. Just try to imagine a world where every third or fourth Nation State has nuclear weapons. It's obviously not a very desirable thing. Terrorists could get their hands on nuclear devices. There would be no superpower watching over all the kids and everyone would be highly suspicious of each other. That's how a modern world with no international law committed superpower would look like.
431eb9 No.535548
>>535470
Because the US hasn't invented teleportation yet and most of Eastern Europe is about a week away from any serious US unit that might stand a chance at taking on a couple of Russian combined arms brigades, when it's 24h away from Russia…
It's something that too many people can't seem to wrap their heads around, especially among Atlantists cheerleaders and other proponents of the "don't worry the USA are going to come and save us". Even if the USA actually wanted to save them (and was therefore willing to risk global thermonuclear warfare for it, which is extremely dubious to begin with) they simply can't.
Because the US army isn't powered by magic and geography is a bitch.
c8851a No.535549
>>535531
> You're assuming I'm the type of guy to take part in hippie marches
>sweden
yes
f8249e No.535551
>>535504
>if Quebec decided to become a US state?
There would be an intense war fought between the US and Canada if Quebec ceded from Canada and tried to join the US. With the loser being forced to keep it
c23cb4 No.535553
Russia had permanent bases in Crimea with air defense and anti ship ability. Also the ships berthed there carried nukes. They weren't about to sit back and watch their dudes get killed and their weapons get stolen.
Ukraine was quite dumb to try to chase Russia out of there.
>>535490
>In almost every bit of yrop and the world overall separatism can be justified by cherrypicking historic facts.
>historic facts
It happened in the 1960s retard, this isn't ancient history. Everyone who lived in Crimea remembered it being Russian or had a family member who did.
>>535524
>ukraine
>big country
>largest country in europe
"Refugee" (welfare migrant) from Ukraine detected.
Why go to Sweden? Poland is safer.
c23cb4 No.535559
>>535548
Don't forget that NATO has problems moving on the continent of Europe itself due to politics of every region, and zero contingencies regarding civilian traffic.
I remember the largest exercise NATO managed was a meetup in Poland of 31k troops that might not even be possible today, whereas Russia did an exercise of 100k troops while in a recession.
Basically NATO never bothered to come up with an intracontinental movement strategy because NATO always expected USSR to attack first and do all the moving, while NATO formations were barely expected to move. Simply hold the ground, pop up and attack the Soviets.
968a7d No.535566
>>535470
We should have sent our top transniggers to make you suck their corndog penises, but you would have liked it too much.
a11891 No.535574
>>535524
Wait, so the Ukraine invaded Russia? Oh yeah, then we should have helped those little green men ethnically cleanse the ukrops
d5e4c0 No.535729
>>535470
>Why didn't US try to stop Russian from annexing the Crimea?
Contrary to what the media says, nobody gives a shit about ukraine (I think Poland just wants to make them feel audacious and supported so they start shit against Russia which will end them), it's considered a giant whorehouse and playground that it's fun to send arms to so they can kill each other.
7ccb30 No.535731
>>535553
>Why go to Sweden? Poland is safer.
no fuck off get out i will cut off your head get out of here
d5e4c0 No.535742
>>535731
Can confirm, I'm constantly being assaulted by 600000 neonazi far right skinheads for knowing foreign languages, and I'm also a journalist for Gazeta Wyborcza so you know it's true!
but seriously svenmed stay out. (^:
72cad1 No.535747
>>535512
actually that was indeed enough and is one of the reasons the brits never did anything until he went after Poland for the same reasons.
At the end of the day territory is earned in blood, be that by shedding it (Konigsberg no longer German) or producing it. (Crimea housing majority ethnic Russian populace)
bf8639 No.535763
>>535489
If only our fellow clappers reacted the same way to goblin posting.
72dd44 No.535764
I think you have to understand a few things, which being Russian you should, Strelok.
1) Crimea is ethnically Russian. Even my 80 year old Kazakh mentor who hates non-Moscovian Russians was quick to admit that the 1954 trade into Ukrainian hands was a mistake.
2) Ukraine as you should know, means border town/"little Russia" unofficially. Lenin making the Ukrainians an independent entity instead of a vassal state who's job was to keep the other nations out of Russia has always been considered a mistake (at least among USSR-era slavs living in America).
3) Crimea serves as a first-stop invasionary force via the Black Sea if Turkey or their neighbors ever start shit. There was no way the Russians were giving up a key military position and the Americans really didn't want to go into a direct war with Russia even if they wanted a proxy war via Ukraine.
4) Oil flows through the Black Sea and there's plans to majorly expand oil production and transport via the Black Sea that will leave the Russians capable of NOT moving oil through Ukraine, thus eventually making Ukraine pretty worthless as anything other than a border between them and the Western nations. In many ways, this benefits the US because it prevents future conflicts that they have to get involved in with Ukraine.
I mean, there's a million reasons, but when more than half the population considers themselves Russian before the damned conflicts broke out and Slavic American advisors were telling them to just stay the fuck out of Crimea, you tend to at least think about your actions first. Crimea served a strategic benefit to Russia that has little effect on American defense while getting the Russians closer to their mutual "enemies." If Russia focuses their time and money in Crimea, they're less likely to give a shit about Eastern Ukraine and thus the two forces can avoid direct conflict. The most the Americans did was encourage the Ukrainians to cut the power lines tying Crimea to Ukraine to see if the populace was really willing to stick it out with Russia. When it became apparent they were, there was no strategic advantage in poking the bear further in the hopes that one of its claws gets lodged in their skin so it can't use said claw later.
7a7550 No.535858
>>535763
>anti-white /int*/ freechnigger D&C memes are exactly the same as talking shit about some ukrainian shithole
89ff92 No.535880
>>535470
Because fucking with Ukraine was mostly an EU policy they knew how Russia would react as they were warned after Georgia but a scary Russia was needed to push Eastern European nations into military integration and the USA (the military at least, bits of the CIA might have been involved in Ukraine but with US intelligence the left hand not only doesn't know what the right hand is doing but generally is trying to stab a knife through it) was distracted with Asia and the Middle East: it takes time to redeploy significant assets and develop plans etc.
Also there'd be little benefit and much risk in stepping in, why bother? It was a fait accompli anyway.
Russia plays a very clear game: we will fight back if you mess around with our sphere of influence and we will escalate that if you keep doing it. Russia is willing to risk much more for Crimea and similar situations than the USA ever will. If they back down once they fuck this message so they'll never do it. Russian leadership is permanently paranoid of being surrounded by enemies, semi-understandable given their history.
93b65f No.535884
>>535470
The Saudis wouldn't let them do anything. They will handle Putin and his thugs themselves. That's why they forced the Russians out of Syria, but Putin and Assad lied about it to save face.
3bbe30 No.535899
>>535524
The eternal swede strikes again with his tard-logic. What part of US foreign policy from the last 50 years tells you that US is a trustworthy ally that is not suffering from schitzophrenia?
6b92df No.535903
>>535731
Uh, you know what Poland? I like your attitude!
6b92df No.535904
>>535899
>suffering from schizophrenia
this is called democracy
ab3a81 No.535905
>>535904
yep. why anyone takes a country with systemic bipolar disorder and foreign gremlins stabbing it in the brain as the foundation of international security and trade is insane.
6b92df No.535909
>>535905
well, consider the alternatives….
4cb3bf No.535910
There are assets that Russia can and cannot afford to lose. Crimea is one of them, it's ports are incredibly important to Russia. If Hillary had won, we WOULD have contested them annexing Crimea and it would have led to war, because it's a resource Russia cannot give up with seriously hurting it's power base.
Basically, contesting Russia annexing Crimea came down to a simple choice. Are we willing to go to war with Russia? Frankly, from a geopolitical standpoint, letting them have territory they mostly controlled anyway is a small price to pay. You have to decide when an opponent is just being greedy and when contesting them will back them into a corner and force their hand.
Ignoring Russia's Annexation was the correct move. It doesn't mean we aren't going to contest future moves by Russia, and Russia knows that. It was basically a very complex and stupid way of both sides saying 'We don't really want to fight at the moment'.
c23cb4 No.535929
>>535909
We should base it on cryptocurrency or precious metals.
>>535910
>it's a resource Russia cannot give up with seriously hurting it's power base.
This. It would be like USA giving up Alaska, Hawaii and Panama at the same time - without enough time to remove all the American technology there. Of course they're going to "annex" something they already control and can't afford to lose.
d5e4c0 No.535935
>>535909
Every country builds a nuclear arsenal allowing them to mutually obliterate everyone around them while returning to gold standard?
Sounds good.
7a7550 No.535972
>>535860
>muh kampfy boogeyman reeeeeeeeeeeeee ooga booga us isn't white because
Kill yourself kike. Reported.
d5e4c0 No.535978
>>535972
Hello kampfy, kill yourself.
3d8d98 No.535988
>>535910
>Crimea is one of them, it's ports
Stopped reading right there.
Why are Americans so bad at English?
4d4deb No.535993
>>535972
This is what I'm talking about dumbass.
Be prepared for the bongnigger to start a /pol/ tier image dump of shitty memes coupled with u mad posts.
You could have just filtered him, but you went out of your way to squawk.
505c20 No.536002
>>535507
What about Alberta?
72dd44 No.536003
>>535972
Fuck off m8. Crimea river.
138c8d No.536020
>>536019
>fucked up the italics
4ede9e No.536025
>>535470
Obama was too big a pussy and so were the Dem's.
807246 No.536044
Because Russia is a CIAnigger puppet state. All is going according to plan, goy.
98de5b No.536047
>>535531
>Swedish neocon/neolib
That's something you don't see everyday.
c23cb4 No.536055
>>536044
>sputnik
>owned by kremlin
It's owned by a nationalist oligarch, who's a bit crazy.
RT is owned by Kremlin.
c23cb4 No.536056
>>535507
>>536002
If just a few cities were removed Canada would be farther right than most of America.
d16ae9 No.536059
>>536056
most of you leafs are ok in my book get rid of trudeau plz and undo the damage he did plz
6b92df No.536073
>>535929
>>535935
>We should base it on cryptocurrency or precious metals.
So substitute schizophrenia with mass delusions/mania?
whythe
>>535929
>It would be like USA giving up Alaska
An ironic example considering that Alaska was part of the Russian Empire and was then sold to USA. mostly because it's too fucking far away
3772a9 No.536079
>>535470
>I think that the US could have sent a carrier strike group to the Black Sea.
>what is the Montreux Convention
60fe07 No.536081
>>535764
>Even my 80 year old Kazakh mentor
Even my 148,8 year old Azerbaijani shawarma seller says your birth was a mistake, but you know, this isn't really an argument.
>Ukraine as you should know, means border town
Everyone falling for this bait knows shit about Slavic languages, and you are probably the most retarded of those dumbasses because there never ever was any specific "town" in such myths. The root "kraj" in the word "Ukrajina" means either country, piece of land or a landscape, here are examples from Serbian and Czech languages:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Serbian_Krajina
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krajina
Russian language differs in this part from other Slavic languages - "a country" mostly sounds like "strana" (while in Ukrainian it's literally "krajina"), "a piece of land" or "a region" like "zemlya" with waaay less popular "kraj" synonym and a "landscape" like "landshaft". Due to that Russians are the only ones believing in this nonsense.
>"little Russia" unofficially
That is the whole other word you retard, it wasn't unofficial since it's been used in Russian Empire a bit after they got Ukraine and such a derogatory toponym fueled the Ukrainian hate for Russian Empire badly.
>Lenin making the Ukrainians an independent entity
Ukrainians became an independent entity 22 January 1918 with Fourth Universal of the Central Council, years before Lenin gained control over what was called USSR back then. No nation in USSR at any of its stages of existence was an independent entity, Lenin using the cosmopolitan bullshit populism was one of the main reason USSR even managed to become a thing. It takes an extreme autism levels to believe one of the bloodiest regimes ever was liberal enough to allow any bit of "independence" anywhere.
>>535553
So assuming you're an unbiased guy - you should be also supporting every other of Russian minor ethnicities in their desire to separate until almost nothing left of Russia, right? But you won't, because you're a hypocrite faggot. Stop pretending you have a moral high ground, this shit is fully relativital.
>>535988
Maybe he's a negro.
c23cb4 No.536097
>>536059
"Trudeau who?"
Most Canadians think Trump is president, because TV only shows American channels.
dfa1d4 No.536105
>>536081
>you should be also supporting every other of Russian minor ethnicities in their desire to separate until almost nothing left of Russia
I personally support that. Imagine the typical nomad wars of the Eurasian steppes from the past, but with modern technology. Imagine Mad Max, but with APCs and working guns, set in the endless sea of grass.
c23cb4 No.536131
>>536081
>So assuming you're an unbiased guy - you should be also supporting every other of Russian minor ethnicities in their desire to separate until almost nothing left of Russia, right? But you won't, because you're a hypocrite faggot.
Actually I'm not a hypocrite and I 100% support your plan.
Every non-Russian ethnicity in Russia that:
1. Had owned a contiguous piece of land as early as 1960s.
2. Has a majority populace on that piece of land.
3. Has an external country with military bases on that land, which Russia legally allowed.
4. That Russia refuses to fight against for the land.
5. If they can seize it without warfare.
6. And if they can maintain the rights of the small amount of Russians living there.
Can annex said specific piece of land.
That's roughly how international rules for annexing work anyway.
>Stop pretending you have a moral high ground, this shit is fully relativital.
There is no such thing as moral relativism.
bfc04d No.536161
>>536019
I don't even know what you're arguing about.
Don't pretend there isn't a resident bong that spams shit, the threads he did that in are still in the catalogue.
84166c No.536213
>>536056
To be fair that is pretty much everywhere. Cities are the problem not the countries themselves.
6b92df No.536237
>>536081
>butthurt ukrop in damage control mode detected
'край' means 'edge' or 'region' e.g. in USA terminology the Pacific North West or The Rust Belt would each be a be край.
meanwhile Украина translates as "at the edge". The people's ambitions or views of themselves aside, that's how Russia has always treated it as a buffer zone to western Europe. Note how, unlike the Serbian Krajina, the Ukraine is not really a proper noun but a functional designation.
6b92df No.536239
>>536056
>If just a few cities were removed Canada would be
lots of innawoods. I would consider that a positive thing :^)
4cb3bf No.536257
>>535988
I was on a laptop with shitty palm rejection, so I kept writing over my previous text randomly. I probably wrote over it and then 'fixed' it without consideration of proper grammar.
Also, get fucked.
138c8d No.536258
>>536161
>Don't pretend there isn't a resident bong that spams shit
Err, I'm not, sweetie. That anon was claiming that I was that same bong, because he's under the delusion that every single bongposter is the same person.
>>535988
Because it's not Spanish
7ac0eb No.536295
>>536258
I literally never said or implied such a thing and you know it.
I was clearly talking specifically about the spammer you disingenuous cunt, don't play stupid.
138c8d No.536305
>>535993
>replied to a post about/directed towards me with "be prepared for the bongnigger to start a /pol/ tier image dump of shitty memes coupled with u mad posts."
>literally never said or implied such a thing
*stabs you*
d5e4c0 No.536309
>>536237
>your country is called borderlands
>not being being anthony burch isn't a consolation anymore
72dd44 No.536322
>>536081
Forgot about this thread/my (you) wasn't showing up in your quote, but pretty much >>536237
The only reason the Rus gave you any freedom at all was because it was easier to send dissidents to the border where they can operate independently so long as they keep out other countries. Your entire country was literally Australia with a(n imaginary) border fence around it for centuries. The Kraj meme comes from the Kieven Rus' who wanted to LARP as something other than Russian slavs that were kicked out for being violent shit heads but never officially exiled. Krai was used for at least a century before Kraj was. Both the Polish and the Russians used you as a Krai, a border land. You are to Russia/Poland as Denmark was to the Holy Roman Empire. In Latin-reading countries, map makers called you Marginalia, deriving from Marginalis (in the periphery) which was derived from the old latin word Margo (border/edge). The only ones who suggest otherwise are butthurt Ukrainian nationalists who don't understand that there's plenty of pride to have in being the Eastern European Australia/Denmark.
c23cb4 No.536363
>>536161
>>536258
There are at least twelve bongs here.
>>536322
>border fence
That used to be the impassable plains. Back when slavs mostly traveled by boat on seas or rivers, Ukraine was mostly isolated.
Remember climate was colder back then, so the only way to cross the plains was by horse drawn carriage, which was a bit like crossing the navajo desert except it's cold and dark.
f256f9 No.536387
>>536305
So you're 9ede1d?
Because that's the one I was very obviously referring to in that comment.
90f88e No.536442
>>535470
We don't give a shit? Besides, Crimea voted to be a part of Russia. Intervention would have been bullshit, not that would stop our kike leaders.
4d7cc6 No.536487
>>535470
Maybe because there wasn't anything to gain? From what it seems, Crimea was largely filled with people who preferred being a part of Russia, the exact opposite being true of people in the western half of Ukraine.
6b92df No.536510
>>536487
TBH the most sensible thing would be to divide east/west Ukraine into two countries.
3495a9 No.536563
>>536510
A sensible, and reasonable, meme.
Maybe even 4 parts: Rusynia (or Carpatho-Rusynia), Western Ukraine, Central Ukraine (buffer zone), and East Ukraine.
7ccb30 No.536566
>>536322
> Krai was used for at least a century before Kraj was. Both the Polish and the Russians used you as a Krai, a border land.
nigger you are literally retarded. there is no difference, its one fucking word. fuck off and get a better language
>>536563
i would prefer 1 part: poland
72dd44 No.536592
>>536566
>Implying modern Poland isn't an abortion of nature
>Implying you have anything to do with the Kingdom of Poland
829470 No.536595
>>535524
The eternal Swecuck demanding more white blood in defense of Muhammad back home.
d5e4c0 No.536600
>>536563
>Western Ukraine
Leopolis is ours though. According to ukrainian intelligence Polish army could take it in 3 days.
>>536592
>implying modern United States of America isn't an abortion of nation
enjoy having all the soviet "intellectuals" on your universities and in government, Alinsky's plan for takeover is almost complete.
>implying you have anything to do with Great America
Which is very unfortunate.
(^:
>>536566
>not keeping a part of central ukraine as a theme-zoo for ukrainian nationalists
>not walling it off and having them fight each other on live broadcast in HD
3495a9 No.536603
>>536600
>According to ukrainian intelligence Polish army could take it in 3 days.
I don't doubt it, but I would really like to read the source on that.
d5e4c0 No.536605
>>536603
I think it was in an article some time ago, would need to look for it, but it's 40%~ plausible in my judgement. Even if it's 100% true, problem is that 3 days is a lot of time for ukraine to murder all of our civilians in Leopolis not to mention generally (((cucked))) government.
I actually doubt it because a lot of generals slightly less now since some got asspained and left on their own are still loyal to the USSR not fully aware of it not existing anymore.
If you want more details on cause of my reasoning: it's actually because general Jaruzelski when he was in charge set up a "golden fund" for his buddies with promises of never losing position and influence even after Yaltan order collapses and alliances change, so he arranged that every officer loyal to USSR will have easy time converting to servitude towards BND, KGB, or CIA/Mossad, but now sinister Minister of Defense Antoni Macierewicz is ruining their careers, not buying malfunctioning deathtraps known as EC725 Caracal and even building a civic combat unit advertised as defense force against Russia, while their actual organization and equipment shows they're made as a quick response troops if ukrainian nationalists decide to chimp out in Poland like they did in Volhynia.
3495a9 No.536619
>>536605
>so he arranged that every officer loyal to USSR will have easy time converting to servitude towards BND, KGB, or CIA/Mossad
Seems like quite the interesting rabbit-hole there
0ad2a1 No.536627
>>535475
There's no escaping diversity, is there?
d5e4c0 No.536630
>>536619
10~% of the judges are die-hard stalinists or their kids, judging by the attendance rates of "spontaneous" "grassroots" protests of judges in defense of impartial and independent courts independent even from bounds of morality and the populace.
In 1980's median salary in Poland was 20$ and someone stole a billion of them from
International Debt Management Fund the only clue is that some of the money helped found ultra-kosher TV station shitting all day on Poland, the people, government and history.
sage for neither guns nor Crimea.
Gun laws are alright since you can buy anything ball and cap (cannons also count, unless I'm mistaken and another Pole is willing to clarify) made before in XIX century or replicas of such with no registration and are just asked for ID to prove you're an adult.
a controlled oppostion party led by a burnt-out musician tried proposing a bill >>>liberalizing firearms with the following rules
>create a database that makes NSA look like detective's club from a primary school for retarded children (now you walk in to the store: hi, i want a .50 musket or a 20ga flintlock, here's my proof of adulthood and money, and you get it)
>limit magsize to 10 or 5
>no full auto anything
>Ban calibers higher than 9mm including every ball and cap/flintlock/musket
>CALIBER LIMITED TO 9 MM AND YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY OBTAIN ANY GUN OF A HIGHER CALIBER
>every six months go to a (((psychiatrist))) to get your license revoked
c23cb4 No.536641
>>536510
The best thing would be to not interfere and let them fight it out.
You keep only what you can protect, period. It's the only rules that matter.
72dd44 No.536662
>>536641
>You keep only what you can protect
That's the mentality that gets foreign nations involved in the first place.
c23cb4 No.536697
>>536662
Small misunderstanding, let me enunciate in text. You only keep what you can protect. If anyone else helps you, it damages your claim to sovereignty. Because in a month or a year or a century, your ally might not be there, and you're going to get wiped out.
Helping other cultures is basically a huge waste of time for everyone and sets the species back, because we get confused about which are good cultures if we can't see the bad ones fail and get curbstomped. It's like stepping in to defend the Panda bears when if we let them alone they could have gone extinct long ago, as they should. Or like a black guy with a 50IQ getting a scholarship because affirmative action, huge waste of time, damages education as an institution.
4c2f24 No.536737
>risk ww3 over some africa tier shithole
no one in their sane mind would do that
448089 No.544116
You'd want that, wouldn't you, Banderashit?
dddb5e No.544161
>>535470
Why didn't Russia try to stop USSR from annexing the Crimea?
Russians too scared to fight?
6d8c07 No.544173
>>544161
>Why didn't Russia try to stop USSR from annexing the Crimea?
>who were the Whites
>>536737
I wish weimar government stopped supporting and emboldening them to start a chimpout in Poland so they can intervene as per act 1066
Then again, if Poland had independence and wasn't occupied by Polish-speaking Brigand Community it wouldn't have happened.
f56d1c No.544362
>>535470
How you can stop Russians in Crimea if there were no Russians in Crimea?
deb967 No.544372
>>535470
Because the Ukraine konflikt isn't about serious strategical gains for the US, it's about turning Ukraine into another debtslave to the (((IMF))) and other (((corporate entities))) like Monsato, in order to once again regain economical leverage in Europe. Every european country is either suckling up EU so German funding while the other few hellholes are essentially russian pupet states. The Ukraine was the perfect target to bribe the local elites to allow the international NGOs, like Soros OSI and other groups to stage their little coup and oust Yanukovych. I don't think a capable Ukraine that serves as a new US allie in the region was ever the plan, instead you get a weak country, reliant on funds from the IMF which will push them into debt slavery, that also has a bunch of farmland that Monsato can buy to introduce GMOs that have so far been forbidden in Europe. Without the eastern territories or the Krim, they won't even have proper industrial capacities or any leverage with russia should they ever become uptiy to their new financial masters. What was there to win for the US by military force if they already have achieved their overall goals in the Ukraine and can demand their pound of flesh from them whenever they want?
806a15 No.544430
Because there's no reason to start an unnecessary conflict over a region that voted to become part of Russia. unless somebody finds a surplus of (((natural resources))) in the region
>>544362
>majority Russian region
>there were no Russians in Crimea
nice proxy you've got there there hohol
bb38f9 No.544437
>>535470
>Why didn't US try to stop Russian from annexing the Crimea?
Because most Americans don’t want conflict wih Russia.
>>535470
>What would have happened if in early 2014 the US sent a task force to Crimea,
>with the sole objective of freeing it from Russian forces?
There would be some riots in some cities. Army recruitment would drop by 70%
bb38f9 No.544438
>>535490
>In almost every bit of yrop and the world overall separatism can be justified by cherrypicking historic facts. There are facts as well "proving" Crimea should belong to Ukraine, become an independent Tatar state, belong to Turkey, to Greece etc. But of course this simple concept is way too much of a stress for a russaboo brains.
Crimea belongs to Russia because Russians are based. There is no need for further discussion. The situation is solved.
012e56 No.544451
>>544430
Russians are citizens of Russia. As Crimea was not a part of Russia prior to joining therefore there were no Russians. Unidentified troops were not Russians too.
806a15 No.544453
>>544451
>Russians are citizens of Russia
>what are ethnic Russians
also
>Unidentified troops were not Russians too.
>Russian speaking troops in Russian equipment
>not Russian
you sure do make a compelling argument there
6d8c07 No.544454
>>544453
>>Unidentified troops were not Russians too.
>>Russian speaking troops in Russian equipment
>>not Russian
Yes, pic related. (^:
806a15 No.544456
>>544454
>only 3.7% speak Ukrainian in Crimea
your point is?
6d8c07 No.544457
>>544456
That ukraine shouldn't even exist.
806a15 No.544459
>>544457
you're goddamn right. it's Russian clay
6d8c07 No.544463
>>544459
I want Leopolis back, but it's been a shithole ever since Poles were deported by the (((Soviets)))
806a15 No.544465
>>544463
as soon as (((putin))) either reinstates the monarchy or goes USSR 2.0: electric boogaloo.
never ever
012e56 No.544470
>>544453
>what are ethnic Russians
Thing that can't be objectively defined. Really, try to do it, you can't.
Only real Russians are those people who have "Russia" on their passports.
>Russian speaking troops in Russian equipment
>not Russian
Putin doesn't lie unlike murricans.
a70a86 No.544519
>>544459
Except Crimea.
Slavs stay out of rightful Hellen clay!
6d8c07 No.544522
>>544519
The only thing standing in the way of peaceful partition of ukraine return of land to rightful owners is that nobody wants to deal with the subhumans lowering the proeprty values on its territory.
fa15c1 No.544543
1.nobody cares about eastern Europe.
2. Russia clearly violated treaties by violating Ukrainian territory. we don't have to do anything but point it out and sanction you.
1c30d6 No.544553
>>544459
In the same way Paleistein is Israeli clay, kike?
6d8c07 No.544555
>>544553
>this nation invented as a buffer zone is the same as the ZOG hideout
Just because some of them throw roman salutes and rape kids doesn't mean they're based.
3c7fad No.544615
>>544553
>(((people))) read: subhumans that have no place in the middle east essentially pushing out the locals is the same as the crimea situation
also
>Paleistein
>stein
american education.jpg
was that a freudian slip or did you forget your meds schlomo? :^)
fa15c1 No.544616
this is why English is the world language and we have two English speaking great powers (US and UK) who dominate international affairs is because we can work together. slavs and spics and other subhumans just fight third-world tier wars over a few meters of lands for eternity.
17aa8a No.544624
>>535470
>Why didn't US try to stop Russian from annexing the Crimea?
Crimea is full of Russians and Ukrainian economy isn't good. If US try to stop Russians from annexing then Crimeans would still try to create a own nation anyway. Am I right?
af9600 No.544640
>>544624
There's no "own nation" of Crimea, it's a mix of separate nations.
>>544616
>>544457
>>544116
>>536737
Hey Shlomo :D:D
>>536322
>citation needed
>citation needed
>citation needed
>citation needed
>citation needed
Also another Slav already said you're a retard because of the whole "край" gibberish. I second his words, it's a root word for plenty of Slavic land-related words as I've proven before.
>>536131
>Actually I'm not a hypocrite
That's why you're making up very specific rules only beneficial to you, right. Not even on an anonymous imageboards russcucks have balls to admit their bias even if it's comprehensible, they'll lie to the end because that's what a century of the red brainwashing did to them.
>That's roughly how international rules for annexing work anyway
There's no "international rules for annexing" currently. European "rules" basically vanished with developing of the worldwide colonization, worldwide "rules" - with nukes invention.
a70a86 No.544655
>>544640
>it's a mix of separate nations.
Yes. Greeks, Slavs and tataroaches.
21c08d No.544684
>>544640
There's no "own nation" of Ukraine, it's a mix of separate nations.
75c57b No.544708
>>544684
Doesn't this make (((their))) point of russia "seizing land" irrelvant? It's literally ceded to Ukraine under the Soviet goverment and thus was originally Russian. Hell, even the Chinese revanchists claim the entire kamchaka, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Lao, Tajikstan, Mongolia, Tannu Tunva, fucking Bhutan and Nepal along with other smaller claims.
Honestly only the claims to parts of Burma can be applied. Viets always tell me they hate the Chinese more than the french.
b9ae5b No.544719
>why didn't America do anything to stop Russia and the annexing of Crimea?
Probably because Crimea had a constitutional referendum that asked Russia to annex them.
b6312e No.544743
>>544640
>citation needed
nigger please, this doesn't even require effort just look at wikipeadia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#Mainstream_interpretation_as_‘borderland’
>In the following decades and centuries this term was applied to fortified borderlands of different principalities of Rus' without a specific geographic fixation: Halych-Volhynia, Pskov, Ryazan etc.
>After the south-western lands of former Rus' were subordinated to the Polish Crown in 1569, the territory from eastern Podolia to Zaporozhie got the unofficial name Ukraina due to its border function to the nomadic Tatar world in the south.
>The Polish chronicler Samuel Grądzki who wrote about the Khmelnytsky Uprising in 1660 explained the word Ukraina as the land located at the edge of the Polish kingdom.
>The traditional theory (which has been widely supported by historians and linguists in the 19–21st centuries, see e.g. Max Vasmer's etymological dictionary of Russian) is that the modern name of the country is derived from the term "ukraina" in the sense ‘borderland, frontier region, marches’ etc. These meanings can be derived from the Proto-Slavic noun *krajь, meaning ‘edge, border’. Contemporary parallels for this are Russian okráina ‘outskirts’ and kraj ‘border district’.
>This suggests that it was being used as a semantic parallel to -mark in Denmark, which originally also denoted a border region (in this case of the Holy Roman Empire, cf. Marches).
There are 46 citations in that article from a diverse set of sources including historical documents and established scholars.
b6312e No.544744
>>544743
inb4 putin doctored the wiki article as part of operation to annex crimea
6a348f No.544751
krai also means edge (as edge of table)
u is prepostion (by)
Ukraine could mean: by the edge/border.
6d8c07 No.544765
>>544743
SHUT UP BIGOT, WE WUZ GIEROJS!
PIC related, it's da real WWII, dem wapopo Russians and Americans be lyin to you mang.
fa52c3 No.544781
>>544765
The most amazing thing about that map is USSR having Koeningburg.
0e6b41 No.544789
>>544470
>Thing that can't be objectively defined. Really, try to do it, you can't.
"ethnic group: a community or population made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent."
>Only real Russians are those people who have "Russia" on their passports.
nationality =/= ethnicity you fucking chromosome hoarding mouthbreather
49d41c No.544791
>>544765
>PIC related
Some TV channel worker either joked or failed(which I doubt) with the map, we laughed at this and forgot about the accident quickly since that's no big deal. So, what's your point? Maybe we should've raped him? I bet he's waaay less attractive than your Galician-Polish grandma who lived here during ethnic cleansing, so his holes are gonna stay unharmed.
>>544751
Czech language just like Ukrainian has few meanings of the word "kraj" ("край") - it can be peace of land, edge or even a country (pic 1). That's exactly my point from the very beginning of this polemics - "kraj" is a Slavic root for plethora of other land-related words.
>>544743
Let's assume for a second you're right - Wikipedia article and Russian "historians" are credible sources with zero bias, not a propaganda tools. In this case "Ukraine" derived from the "border". But it also should mean all of the other Slavic words with "kraj" root derived from "border", isn't it? Including the very "kraj" word itself - according to you the shorter root word derived from the longer "border" word because that's how words are being created, right you mongrel? Let's see how are you gonna defend this autism.
>>544684
I really am glad when russcucks make posts like this. Such an obvious bullshit is proving to everyone that you cannot ever trust a russcuck, they tell nothing but lies. For example, here's the actual map shows Lenin did not "gifted" us with that land, it was already mostly included in the Ukrainian People's Republic besides of some commie-infested parts and the Don Republic. But pro-Ukrainian Don Republic was going to unite with Skoropadsky's state and even commie parts were mostly ethnically Ukrainian so they didn't wanna separate into some hoborussia nonsense, they desired to rule the entire country as Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. So, how can you tell a russcuck is lying? His lips are moving.
49d41c No.544792
>>544791
>peace
piece* obviously
6d8c07 No.544802
>>544791
>it was just a joke or retardation
just like your entire "nation's"' history.
How dare you speak, you swarthy field monkey. How dare you open your big lipped, rim encrusted, menthol cigarette smelling mouth?
You are human trash, Dmytro Bohdan Romanyuk-Maksymchak. Universally despised, derided and mocked. Your nationality and skin tone offers no hope to the world that Eastern Europe can ever prosper. Crawl back in to the Chernozem field you came out of, you literal orangutan.
I hope you decide to sail your grandfathers skip to the Falklands and rape some sheep, as is in the negroes nature. It would still be the whitest pussy you ever had. Give Nigel and Robert a chance for some target practice, your sole use to the world. Ukrainian obsession with a few windswept cities in Poland is hilarious but sad. The MUH KRAI sentiment in the average negro Ukrainian is both an early warning sign of autism in children, and early on set Alzheimer's in adults.
Take your black hairy fingers off your keyboard, and never talk about the human species again, you mockery of our supposed shared ancestor.. No amount of olive oil and wheat flour slabbed on your face every morning will make you white. It's about as delusional of an idea as your daydreams of European heritage.
You nigger.
You make Latvia look like a beacon of civilisation.
You are the Baltimore of Eastern Europe.
Go fertilise the pampas with you and your families corpses, its the best you can hope for in life. For the first time in your life, nigger, you have a job making food for beings vastly superior to yourself. Ukrainian cattle. Coincidentally, it would be the first time an Ukrainian "man" provided for a family.
Die, Dmytro. No one would miss you. Except for Australian Aboriginals, who now would have no one to make them look good.
6d8c07 No.544803
>>544802
How embarassing, i forgot to change pampas to "Chernozems" and not Ukrainian, but Russian cattle.
0e6b41 No.544807
>>544805
>not recognizing a stale pasta
point and laugh at this idiot lads
49d41c No.544811
>>544807
Actually everyone will get it's a pasta even if he's never seen such simply because of the >>544803 -post. That still doesn't deny his butthurt. Polite sage for offtopic.
0e6b41 No.544816
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>544811
looks like i was the fool after all
af50d0 No.544895
>>536105
Just read about that Sternberg. What a fucking madman.
d678ec No.544916
>>544807
No need there is already the flag for that…
b6312e No.545004
>>544791
>Wikipedia article and Russian "historians" are credible sources with zero bias, not a propaganda tools.
Yeah, you're totally right man… Clearly Putin must have traveled back in time and edited those historical documents directly cited in the article and originating from various time periods and from different cultures all in order to influence public opinion about ukropograd. Thank you for this enlightening experience!
>Let's see how are you gonna defend this autism.
Yes край/krai/kraj is a root word in slavic languages, no one's arguing about that. except you and yourself The earlier point was that the name 'ukraine' came from the de-facto function of that region, rather than some distinguishing characteristics of the inhabitants. It would be like having a country called 'stan' or a city called 'grad' - incomplete, short-changed and retarded.
ebb2b8 No.548661
>>535470
Why didnt russia try to stop america from taking back Cuba?
You'll find the answer is similar
466d0d No.548668
>>535470
>annexing
>enforcing lease rights
Pick one Swedecuck
2c2d1c No.558828
>>536056
I got a box of ammo for you leaves, just for that. We'll reenact Vietnam together in hongcouver.
7ccacb No.558833
>>535470
Why didn't mr Botox declare maidan an unlawful dissolution of a legitimate government, say some shit about how Russia and Ukraine are allies for life and always help each other, roll in with tanks, reinstate proff. Yanuk and sign a peace treaty with him. Then just have him as a puppet and pressure him into passing compromise legislation to placate euromaidan ukrops. Maybe do a bunch of populist plebiscite referendums for shit like euro markets and such, sneak the crimea/hoborussia referendums in cause muh self determination.
There would still be sanctions, but ukraine would still be ours as opposed to a fuckin western puppet right on our western border, plus no civil war in donetsk and no money drain on supporting crimea/donetsk.
I am an armchair expert extraordinaire but it looks like mr Krabs pussied the fuck out and refused to commit. Just send the fucking tanks in nigga, ukrops literally sold off half their shit a year prior IIRC, their army was non-existent. Just roll in nigga don't be a pussy.
But noooooooo
e036f7 No.558837
>>535524
>>535531
>Europe's largest country
Russia is Europe's largest country you swedecuck mong.
2a0737 No.558838
>>536056
two or three cities that just so happen to contain 80-90% of your population
209817 No.558879
>>558837
>Russia
>Europe
Most land of Russia is located in Asia, well we can say that Russia is Eurasian biggest country.
e5e89b No.558881
>>558833
Because Putin is a moderate and an exemplary politician when it comes to realpolitik.
Russia doesn't need Ukraine, Ukraine needs Russia. That's how it has always been, on a long term Ukraine will gravitate again to Russia on it's own because NO you can't have terrible relations with a country X times bigger and more populated than you with which you share the same population, history and a gazillion of flat land as a non-defined border, on a long term. It's suicide. Plain and simple. If tomorrow Mexico started to say they're gonna use their secret nukes to flatten Washington and stop all trade exchange with the US and that they should kill all US citizens, everyone is gonna first laugh at them, then ask them to get committed. That's Ukraine today. Ukraine tomorrow won't be that, it will either get saner, "we're independent but we simply can't afford to have bad relations with our gigantic neighbor" or it will break apart under the economical and social pressure.
The rebellion is THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT POLICY. Not the cause.
Russia does need Crimea for obvious strategic and historical reasons, Russia got Crimea without firing one shot and minimal effort.
Despite all the claims to the opposite the Russian gov' didn't help the eastern rebellion (some Russian did out of themselves) until they actually managed to stop the Ukrainian army largely on their own (mainly because the outright retardation of the Ukrainian gov' and army) and proved to the Kremlin that it was indeed a viable strategy (and only then did a "counter attack" happened solidifying the "republics" territories on easily defensible borders).
>>558833
>no money drain on supporting crimea/donetsk.
And instead have 100x the money drain in supporting the whole of Ukraine?
Painting the map is nice and all but Ukraine is exactly in the state anyone should expect if oligarchism was allowed to continued in Russia for another 15 years (going toward 20)… it's competing for the "poorest country of Europe" seat with fucking Moldova (same reasons, same consequences).
And that's not some Russian bot RUSSIA STRONK bullshit that's coming directly from the mouth of the liberals in the fucking Atlantic Council, best cheerleaders of the post-soviet """democrats""".
https://archive.is/eNEmB
Ukraine is on the straightest trajectory for the abyss and was already long before the war, had Russia invaded them it would have sunk with it…
WHICH WAS THE WEST PLAN ALL ALONG.