e2ecee No.535261
Just a reminder that if war broke out between China and the US today, China would win.
China has numerous A2AD systems such as ballistic missiles, anti-ship ballistic missiles, naval mines and air defenses. They are capable of destroying any US Navy units within the first island chain. These platforms continue to grow in size and improve in quality by the hour. The US has no way to counter to them.
China also has advanced cyber and space warfare capabilities. At any moment of their choosing, China could take down American power grids, communication lines, military software and so on. China is also capable of taking down US satellites, crucial to navigation, communication and information gathering.
20a0c5 No.535269
a chink pretending to be a frog, now i've seen everything. go back to your sweatshop zhang.
dfe5da No.535270
>>535269
Chinks are Frogs, where have you been the past century?
05c2d5 No.535272
>Just a reminder that if war broke out between China and the US today, China would win.
Hahaha, we would win just by embargoeing you soulless little shits. If you decided on war your paper tiger would be crushed pretty damn easily too
92032b No.535277
>>535272
>we would win just by embargoing you soulless little shits
How would that work?
All Chinese commerce passes through the straits in the 1st island chain, the chain within the range of A2AD platforms. Modern naval mines won't go off on merchant ships, so the USN can be sealed from the SCS and Chinese commerce could still go through those straits.
Besides, US-China trade is highly unbalanced. You import a lot more from China than China imports from you. Among your imports, there is military hardware (most of which is electronics used in aircraft).
A lot of books were written in the early 20th century about the unlikelihood of a Franco-German war, as both nations had immense trade.
fe2b74 No.535279
Doubt it. China is so reliant on US trade, while they would be able to live for a bit, if they didn't end the war quickly though their whole fucking system would collapse.
3ffd67 No.535283
>>535261
>china
>a nation that never won a single war ever
>a nation with literally zero recent experience in warfare
>a nation who is literally sending it's youngest and brightest abroad to study engineering on a regular basis, and still can't come up with a competitive economy without relying on cheap trips
>a nation that literally suffered self induced famines in the last 50 years
>a nation that to this day relies almost entirely on cheap knock offs of soviet era hardware
>a nation which economy will literally collapse on itself if only a single international investor pulls out
>a nation that doesn't even manage to fuck India (literally synonymous with incompetence)
>>535277
>Modern naval mines won't go off on merchant ship
source or fuck off.
>there is military hardware (most of which is electronics used in aircraft).
Yeah, as if the US would need any bigger of a numerical advantage to fuck the Chinese. China has around 3000 planes total. The US airforce got 5000+, not included: US marine corps and US navy.
fe56b2 No.535285
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>535261
Friendly reminder China is Russia bitch in SCO. Even though China is the founding member of Shanghai corporation organization. What does that say about China?
9d96a2 No.535289
>>535261
China couldn't even invade Japan.
China couldn't even transport troops overseas.
I have no doubts China could conquer Vietnam/Best Korea and a few other land masses, but the most they could do is hold off a US onslaught. They can't into overseas warfare and they'd all starve after they finish pillaging the surrounding farmlands. Simply put, China isn't a threat (to North America militarily) and will not be so for likely decades to come assuming their mass protests don't turn into civil war.
1a1529 No.535290
>>535283
Why are you asking me for a source on that claim? It's just a well known fact. It's as well known as the fact planes can deploy flares. Modern naval mines can determine whether a ship is a container ship, a fishing ship, a frigate or a carrier based on many clues. Sound, speed, propeller bubbles, radio, everything is taken into account. A mine can be programmed to go off on a carrier but not on a frigate. This isn't WW2 anymore, modern mines don't look like giant spiky iron balls. They're mini submarines silently patrolling the underwater with several torpedoes each. Fun fact, naval mine sweeping was the most labor demanding part of the 2003 Iraq war. After Saddam was defeated, it took the Coalition months to sweep Saddam's few 1980s tech naval mines and that happened in uncontested waters. Imagine how painful it would be for the USN to deal with thousands more naval mines with technology 3 years more advanced and scattered across a much larger area in highly contested waters
9d96a2 No.535292
>>535277
You dolt. We import a lot more, but we import shit from US-based companies operating overseas. Sure you can nationalize iphone factories, but you can't provide the same standard of living that US companies give the chinks, E.G. mass worker riots if you do that.
3ffd67 No.535294
>>535290
You know it would actually be beneficial for the US to mine the Chinese sea to shit and blow up literally every single trade and military vessel there?
The Chinese would starve.
1a1529 No.535295
>>535292
What are you talking about and how is that relevant to an embargo scenario? US companies treat Chinese like slaves, and how is quality of life relevant when speaking of war? It doesn't matter, the USSR beat Germany but would you rather have been a citizen of the Soviet Union or of Nazi Germany?
b39b33 No.535296
>china
>winning a war without western help
05c2d5 No.535298
>>535289
>I have no doubts China could conquer Vietnam
haha no they tried that when vietnam was still rebuilding from a decade of resisting the US and got BTFO frm their regular forces
3ffd67 No.535300
>>535295
Chinese are already living like slaves. If any more of the (already imported) resources get allocated to warfare a lot of them will starve. This is not 1800 anymore, where starving peasants can't communicate over long distances. Even Chinese have access to long distance communications.
If the US manages a proper Embargo against China, and binds their military in prolonged conflict they would be able to wear down the Chinese pretty quickly.
Yes, they got state television, radio, newspapers, and internet, but most of the far east Chinese already know how to circumvent those measures and access outside info. Their most industrialized areas, which would also be the ones to suffer the most from the war, would be the ones who revolt first. They would crumble from within. I would give them a year to five at best. After that China either has to escalate and attack Laos, Myanmar, or Vietnam just to have a tiny chance at continueing their war with what little resources and forced labour they could get out of those places.
You are also forgetting that every carrier/sub the US has around SK right now, is also in range of every major Chinese industrial area. They could completely overwhelm the Chinese industry, air bases, naval bases and pretty much everything else they have ammo for.
On top of that: Japan, SK and Taiwan would probably join in the "fight" was well. China would be dead. They know. That's the reason why they don't encourage NK to do stupid shit anymore.
3ffd67 No.535304
Seeing hos this discussion is now done, and OP was utterly buttblasted once more:
[Current year] who would win thread!
Who would win: India or Pakistan? Both sides for some reason don't use their nukes.
5ba2f2 No.535306
>>535304
>Who would win: India or Pakistan? Both sides for some reason don't use their nukes.
India. Because they are poo proof
6e67ef No.535309
>China
>hasn't won a war against a foreign power in 400 years
>last combat experience was losing a war in 1979
>majority of equipment is obsolete
>new equipment is untested and made in China, so good luck with that
>most advanced fighter jet is clone of 1970's Russian fighter with inferior engines
>only bomber is inferior clone of 1950's Russian bomber with 1/3 the range and 1/4 the payload of a B-52
>submarines sound like washing machine full of rocks
>only aircraft carrier is a decades-old, obsolete Soviet design that isn't even combat operational, with fighters that can't take off with a full load of fuel and/or missiles
>surface fleet is obsolete and tiny
>lacking amphibious assault capability to invade Taiwan
>entire nuclear arsenal consists of between 200 and 400 warheads, only a few of which are on ICBM's
>ICBM's don't carry multiple warheads yet and are notoriously inaccurate
>overwhelming majority of soldiers lack body armor, night vision, and basic equipment western armies take for granted
>USA could collapse entire economy just by not buying their shit or paying back any of their debt, resulting in chaos, rioting, and cannibalism practically overnight
>desperately wants the rest of the world to take them seriously
>CHINA STRONK!
a51fdd No.535312
>>535261
Just a reminder that if war broke out between Armenia and France today, Armenia would win.
Armenia has numerous A2AD systems such as ballistic missiles, anti-ship ballistic missiles, naval mines and air defenses. They are capable of destroying any French Navy units within the first island chain. These platforms continue to grow in size and improve in quality by the hour. France has no way to counter to them.
Armenia also has advanced cyber and space warfare capabilities. At any moment of their choosing, Armenia could take down French power grids, communication lines, military software and so on. Armenia is also capable of taking down French satellites, crucial to navigation, communication and information gathering. Not to mention French cuisine have been considered the most overrated in the world and is no competitor for the Armenian cuisine.
772c23 No.535316
>>535261
China has never won a war, all they know to do is human wave attacks, literally the worst strategy. Quantity, that's it. Everything they make is trash. They don't give even their guys body armor.
>>535279
this too
5d3ec1 No.535318
>>535309
>Chink ICBM Dongfang, lol is notoriously inaccurate.
How inaccurate are we talking here? As in, it'll be a few hundred meters off target point? Or are we talking "It doesn't matter how big the nuke is there's a 50/50 chance that the target is going to be fine"?
>>535316
>They don't give even their guys body armor.
Also remember that they inflate the size of the PLA by including teenagers doing national service in their headcount. Also remember that Chinese national service consists mostly of drill and choral singing of patriotic songs.
9be590 No.535320
>2017
>still believing in symmetric warfare
The US can be beaten easily if the Chinese goad them into landing troops in China. Outside of that, the Chinese military is no match for the US military. Similar story for Russia. The US wins in any conventional war, but loses once things go asymmetric. See how Vietnam and Afghanistan went versus how the Iraq war turned out.
de06b7 No.535321
>>535261
> space warfare capabilities
Like what, faggot?
da3c48 No.535322
da3c48 No.535323
>>535318
>Also remember that they inflate the size of the PLA by including teenagers doing national service in their headcount. Also remember that Chinese national service consists mostly of drill and choral singing of patriotic songs.
they have a massive problem with trying to keep people in the PLA. dissidence in china is at an all time high. the political structure of china does lend itself nicely to a military coup.
05c2d5 No.535329
>be China
>can barely keep a group of pacificists like Tibet in line without sending in thousands of poorly equipped conscripts
>have barely paid shills go on obscure anime websites not even listed on google in an attempt to demoralize the west
>still fail miserably
Go build another 50 empty cities chang, the real countries are trying to talk here.
a07fe0 No.535330
>>535318
>Also remember that they inflate the size of the PLA by including teenagers doing national service in their headcount
I heard it's also the case that the majority of Chinese enlistee's are too fat, too addicted to porn and video games to actually be of any use in the army.
>>535329
My favorite part about China is that they've tried to bury Buddhists under tons of paperwork to try and prevent them from reincarnating.
4dbaa3 No.535333
>>535304
>>535306
Pakistan. They just circumnavigate the poo fields and allow indian infantry to slip on the poo and their tanks air filters get clogged causing them to shut down if not seize up their engines as poo cannot be compressed. Once the indians are bogged down in the poo fields the Pakistani teens take refuge in india and culturally enrich their cows.
5d3ec1 No.535334
>>535323
The Chinese I've met so far have been pretty money obsessed, if the PLA was paying enough to keep anyone with better prospects they'd probably bankrupt the country in fairly short order. As for the growing unrest, it's what happens when a 2 class system (party and worker) suddenly develops an educated middle class in order to run a vaguely modern economy. The middle class demand increasing liberties and economic opportunity that a socialist country will never be able to fulfil. It's what killed feudalism, capitalist democracy can just about keep a lid on it (sorta kinda) but a long spell of (even perceived) low opportunity/liberty will lead to them voting for increasingly 'fringe' candidates.
>tl;dr - the Chinese middle class is being middle class, it's what they do
>>535330
>the majority of Chinese enlistee's are too fat, too addicted to porn and video games to actually be of any use in the army.
Well, at least if China does start WW3 with America you'll both be starting with the same handicap :^)
>they've tried to bury Buddhists under tons of paperwork to try and prevent them from reincarnating.
Source?
05c2d5 No.535335
>>535330
I cant stop laughing that despite how they send millions of "students" to the US annually to steal our ideas, wasting billions of dollars in the process, these antpeople are still completely incapable of producing original thought
00cf66 No.535338
>>535261
I don't think that would happen fast enough, China has fuel dependencies that are unsustainable during a war (which is why they're so heavily interested in the south China sea).
You can just choke them off easily in the Indian Ocean from their fuel supply by blocking the Strait of Malacca, the Sundra Strait and the Lesser Sundra Islands. Most likely India would help out efforts there since China funds and contributes to alot of Pakistan's military research and has border disputes with them. They can then focus mainly on the Pacific so they don't move further from the Marianas Islands (which is where most of the heavy fighting might take place) with the help of Japan and South Korea.
Choking them off completely with the US Navy and allies, the Chinese will have civil unrest and change their government to something either worse or better than what they have now.
If the US, however, does the dumbshit move and invade, then China will drain the US military down with a long, drawn out war, until the Chinese are starved of fuel.
They only really have 90 days of fuel stores, and without imports I say they may last another 90 days maybe?
Another issue is that China is not a "no first strike" nuclear power, but they're already surrounded by nuclear powers and countries that don't very much like them, so a first strike nuke would be suicide for them.
>>535335
> these antpeople are still completely incapable of producing original thought
They can, just that the ones that can leave China and want nothing to do with the CCP and go to westernized countries or Taiwan or Singapore.
>>535318
>How inaccurate are we talking here?
800 meter CEP, but with the payload it doesn't really matter that much.
Still, the poo in loos claim to have a more accurate ICBM and are developing one that's supposed to have single meter digit accuracy.
30a73a No.535339
228e55 No.535342
>>535261
Do you also realize that China's oil supply reserve is sufficient for only 1 week?
>t. Chink American
>>535294
This man gets it. Literally the entire point of the "belt and road initiative" is to preven the US from screwin with the Singapore area to prevent oil from getting there. It's gonna be a slow, Germany-esque resource starvation death than anything else.
Implying that the current goverment would maintain order for long lol
addbdd No.535352
>>535261
I wish China would start a war against the USA. I'd love to go over to China and massacre those slants. Or if they try to invade the USA i'd love to massacre them here as well.
4a5752 No.535363
>>535261
Have you ever seen an ant colony swim across a puddle, Chang? Neither have I.
4a5752 No.535382
>>535379
average chink height * number of chinks in PLA = total land bridge distance
Think you have enough chinks to make a 5,000-7,000 mile bridge?
Nice try, Wong.
6765b7 No.535385
I came here to laugh at you, but considering the sorry ass state of our military, honestly, I highly doubt we would win.
35df9c No.535387
>>535261
Just a reminder that if war broke out between China and the US today, the US would win.
The US has numerous A2AD systems such as ballistic missiles, anti-ship cruise missiles, naval mines and air defenses. They are capable of destroying any Chinese Navy units within the first island chain. These platforms continue to grow in size and improve in quality by the hour. China has no way to counter to them.
The US also has advanced cyber and space warfare capabilities. At any moment of their choosing, a stiff breeze could take down Chinese power grids, communication lines, military software and so on. The US is also capable of taking down Chinese satellites, crucial to navigation, communication and information gathering.
e20d1f No.535388
>arguing who would win between two nuclear powers
6391fe No.535390
>>535388
Based on everything else about China I doubt they are even close to a nuclear triad.
13fd3c No.535391
>>535388
China's nuclear arsenal is tiny and unmodernized. A first strike against China would completely cripple their nuclear capabilities. The US would decisively win a nuclear war it instigates, and would still come out on top even in a second strike scenario.
40d8a3 No.535393
Just a reminder that if war broke out between Reddit and the 9gag today, Yahoo would win.
Facebook has numerous A2AD systems such as ballistic missiles, anti-ship ballistic missiles, naval mines and air defenses. They are capable of destroying any instagram Navy units within the first island chain. These platforms continue to grow in size and improve in quality by the hour. The VK has no way to counter to them.
Reddit also has advanced cyber and space warfare capabilities. At any moment of their choosing, 8chan could take down 4chan power grids, communication lines, military software and so on. Youtube is also capable of taking down Pornhub satellites, crucial to navigation, communication and information gathering.
6391fe No.535394
>>535393
Just a reminder that if war broke out between Greece and the Turkey today, Turkey would win.
Turkey has numerous A2AD systems such as ballistic missiles, anti-ship ballistic missiles, naval mines and air defenses. They are capable of destroying any Greek Navy units within the first chain of useless rocks. These platforms continue to grow in size and improve in quality by the hour. The Greeks have no way to counter to them.
Turkey also has advanced cyber and space warfare capabilities. At any moment of their choosing, Turkey could take down Cypriot power grids, communication lines, military software and so on. Turkey is also capable of taking down Greek satellites, crucial to navigation, communication and information gathering.
40d8a3 No.535400
>>535394
I'll bite just to post these
5d3ec1 No.535415
>>535352
>Pic related
Lower your head temperature, as has been explained a few times now you wouldn't need to get a single pair of boots muddy, just blockade their oil imports and give it a few weeks.
7c2777 No.535417
>>535391
Nobody wins in a nuclear war.
03bf10 No.535420
>>535417
China loses unusually hard, though. There's a reason they took the nuclear stance they have.
8560f4 No.535424
>Army
>Navy
>Air Force
>Marines
>Coast Guard
Which of these could independently defeat the entire PLA? Assuming they do everything - even logistics - without the other branches. I'm guessing all but the CG? I understand the CG is supposed to join the Navy when war is declared, but let's pretend they don't.
76c3d5 No.535433
>>535424
Army would probably lose since they rely on the other branches for important shit and infantry wouldn't be able to hold out. Similarly Marines would likely fail because they'd try to run a land assault.
China's AA forces are allegedly trained for night operation, so assuming their guns are able to hold out, the US Airforce might only be able to accomplish partial penetration and ultimately the Airforce has a missile shortage so they wouldn't be able to afford to go to war.
The other branches could take out China as a joint effort but I legitimately believe only the Navy could take out China by themselves, and that would be via embargos. The Navy is pretty much self-sustained between having the second largest airforce in the world after the US airforce, sea-to-land missiles, and all the trained personnel for various tasks. Where they'd fall short is infantry which is why a joint operation with the Korean and Japanese militaries or with the muh-REENS would be necessary if they wanted to hold ports and such.
76c3d5 No.535434
To be fair, everyone loses if China and the US go to war since it would virtually halt industrialization for the chinks, and we wouldn't get cheap shit for cheap prices until Mexico's factories kicked out the meth makers and produced our cheap shit for us again (read: quite a while).
d40414 No.535453
China would win solely due to the sheer amount of container ships it possess.
d40414 No.535454
>>535394
>Turkey is also capable of taking down Greek satellites
Please no… it's the only one I have… ;_;
c324a8 No.535455
People always say it's chink trolls who make these threads but I'm starting to think about whether or not CIA shills post on them too.
13fd3c No.535462
>>535417
Completely false. Nuclear wars between disparate nuclear forces are totally winnable, it's just a matter of what you're willing to sacrifice for victory. Subduing a nation of 1.5 billion at the cost of a couple cities would be the greatest military victory ever achieved.
e90e57 No.535463
>>535417
China has like 1/100 the nukes Murka has.
140964 No.535480
>>535338
It's worth noting that accuracy is actually a factor, since most Nuclear warheads are low payload and designed for eliminating specific targets. The giant blasts you see in movies are usually reserved for large military formations or show-piece drops on urban centers.
Also a first strike scenario would be considerably worse than suicide for china as they do not have enough weapons to target even half of Americas ground based silos, meaning that after the first wave China would have to sit there and watch second and third strikes pour down on them.
4c2fbe No.535481
>>535261
>this is what chinks actually believe
7db558 No.535493
>>535455
I'd be more suspicious of glow in the dark niggers if they were posting pony porn as well
7c2777 No.535496
>>535462
>>535463
You all are under the impression that if the US nukes someone other nations besides the one we're nuking won't nuke back, which is a very wrong impression to have. Once nukes are thrown everything is on the table. It's like a kid screaming food fight in a school cafeteria in some generic movie. Nukes stopped being a military tool after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they're purely a political tool now.
140964 No.535511
>>535496
The only way that would happen is if another power is in an alliance with one of the nuked nations or if it seemed like the attack was targeted at them.
Not only is it ludicrous to think that people will just start nuking shit at random because "they're doing it so YOLO" but there are also no major nuclear nations have any geostrategic reason to launch nuclear weapons at the united states. it sounds like you're attempting to make the claim that if the US nukes China then Russia will nuke the US. Cui bono?
ff8210 No.535516
>>535511
Do you think Russians won't stop the big red button the moment missiles start flying towards the Eurasian landmass, because it's unlikely that they are meant for them? You underestimate the paranoia that made the Cold War so cold.
7db558 No.535518
>>535434
Oh no the horror, we might have to pay more for products that are made in our country thus ensuring American dollars stay within our borders what ever shall we do?
140964 No.535519
>>535516
They refused to press the button on several occasions when every doctrinal justification was there to do it. In addition the launch trajectory of missiles would be highly uncharacteristic of a strike against Russia even if cross-polar launches were used, since there is essentially only one Russian nuke target in that part of the world.
America could fight an equal footing nuclear war with china using boomer subs alone, there wouldn't even be any need to take actions that could provoke war with the Rus.
63ccda No.535534
>>535518
You quite underestimate what that means for america.
Just the rambling of a know-nothing here. China would win because they're already a poor, repressive society. America, however, is accustomed to a lofty lifestyle of cheap goods.
00cf66 No.535536
>>535434
Nah, South East Asia and India will pick up the slack easily. Which is why China is trying so hard to do something before their time runs out.
They basically became too expensive to use now
415547 No.535596
>>535534
>I sincerely don't believe society can exist a year without shitty plastic crap before super pooper power 2020 or Taiwan can pick up the slack
f4d3cf No.535600
>>535596
He's not talking about you, think of the normiest soccer mom to ever lack a sense of perspective.
03bf10 No.535615
>>535534
You underestimate what it means for China. The CCP's deal with the Chinese people is that they will run everything and in return they will make China a modern, wealthy country. So far they've kept their word but China's starting to look like it's not going to make the transition to high-end manufacturing like Japan and Korea did and internal pressure is mounting. They fuck it up badly enough, for example by fighting a war with their biggest client and getting their shipping infrastructure blown to shit, and there's going to be officials getting lynched in the streets.
415547 No.535619
>>535600
China will literally starve and die if they stop doing trade with us. The cheap plastic crap will come from some other shithole like India before the year is even up. Even then its not the normal fag soccer moms that fight the war or would attempt to overthrow the government in the name of dollar store tat. China needs us, not the other way around.
76c3d5 No.535624
>>535518
You're underestimating how much shit we get from China or how important trade is. Go ask the Venezuelans about that whole "make everything ourselves" policy when they can't even produce enough toilet paper and beer for everyone. Nigga do you know how easy it is to make beer? America has agriculture covered, but those companies won't be be coming to America, and it'll take them minimum 6 months to fully get set up anywhere else in the world. Don't be full of yourself thinking daddy Trump is gonna bring jobs back to America any time soon unless they slash taxes in half (which the govt. can't afford to do).
>>535519
The Nips, Navy, or Chairforce would likely shoot down any nukes from China long before they reached US soil, to be honest.
f4d3cf No.535658
>>535619
>The cheap plastic crap will come from some other shithole like India before the year is even up
True, but the 6-8 or so months it would take for factories to be built, tooled up, and for products to start reaching America would be a significant drop in the standard of living for the average American (remember it's not just shitty plastic toys made in China but most modern consumer electronics, appliances, and more than a few components for a large range of things). China would suffer, absolutely, but is the Chinese government going to even blink before putting the country on hardcore rationing and compulsory labour? no, they aren't Meanwhile you Burgers are mostly used to a lifestyle that would make Nero look like an ascetic living a life oof religious poverty in a monastery, do you really think that your presidents political adversaries are going to do the patriotic thing and start talking about 'what's best for the nation' rather than using that situation as a platform to attempt to unseat him? again: no, they aren't. Particularly while you've got President Trump in office. You'd also get the majority of 'patriotic' Chinese businessmen deciding to use the loans owed to them by American businessmen as another front on the economic theatre of the war. A war between the USA and China would be disastrous for both countries and the rest of the world, even if only economically but I don't think America is in a better position to weather that even if you are in a better position to win the shooting match.
>Even then its not the normal fag soccer moms that fight the war or would attempt to overthrow the government
Isn't that basically what happened after the Tet Offensive in Vietnam though? The US military kept winning right up until the Civilians lost for them. Now imagine that it wasn't just worrying reports on the 9 o'clock news, imagine it was cruise missiles hitting major American cities or military/economic targets close to them. Now imagine that the dollar has at least been having bad times for a few weeks up until that point (it's probably just one step from free fall by this point), and that half of your political establishment is all but openly engaged in sedition, and that large chunks of the world are calling for America to pull out and seek diplomatic solutions even if China fired the first shot and after the economy started a Great Depression style free fall. That normal fag soccer mom is going to be a few steps beyond posting angry messages on the twitter by that point.
6 months is a long time in politics.
10b977 No.535721
>>535424
Is that carpet on the walls?
f74928 No.535733
>>535289
>>535309
China's greatest military victory was when USA forced Imperial Japan to pull out under threat of more nukes and firebombings.
Then they immediately lost to themselves
30a73a No.535734
>>535721
thats pretty common practice in russia.
10b977 No.535736
Just to address the salient points of OP.
>anti-ship ballistic missiles
Soviets tried the concept in 1980 and abandoned it because it was too easy to shoot down a ballistic missile heading right at you.
>naval mines
Their most numerous mine, and the only one they have minefields of, are moored contact mines from early WWII. Their second most numerous one, and the one on their ships, are acoustic sinking and moored mines. Their third most common are riverine floating mines, which are placed by commandos and detonated by remote control. Their crowning achievement is (pic 1 related) an air or boat dropped mine, which releases a small short ranged torpedo when it hears a ship - limited in size because of the size of their aircraft and ships.
Naval standard in 2017 are rocket torpedo mines with long sensor umbilicals. They detect acoustics, then triangulate with long umbilical microphones the exact position and bearing of the ship. The rocket torpedo is programmed with the location and launches, traveling in a bubble of air to hit the enemy ship. There are only seconds of warning.
>air defenses
Below or equivalent to S-300 tier in capability. Their crowning achievement and national pride is an improved copy of a MANPAD, the TY-90 which is the smallest air to air missile in the world, knocking the Aphid from that spot. Everyone is going to have S-300 now, even Saudis will have S-400. Russia is moving on the S-500 with 350 miles missile range with a 800 mile detection range against low RCS targets (<0.1m^2) and over 350 miles range detection against F-22.
Chinese close range systems are two types. The first is a copy of the American Sparrow missile which they recovered parts of in Vietnam and mounted on a truck. The second is a copy of the Russian Tor. The Tor copy doesn't have a high fidelity as it is also used in FL-2000/3000 which have lower performance - Tor has a 12km range, the Chinese copy has a 9km range, and poorer performance against maneuvering targets.
Their mid range systems are three types. Their main ship based system is a copy of the French Crotale which they bought and reverse engineered. The initial variants had lower capability than the Crotale but the latest have a similar capability. The second system is Hong Ki which are copies of the American Shrike missile which they stole from Vietnam, pointed skyward, and mounted on a truck or ship. Mostly the Shrike was how they learned to datalink. Their larger mid range system is called Kai Shan and is a copy of S-75 Dvina with a phased array radar instead of dish. They also placed S-75 Dvina missiles on a series of copies of the Buk M1 radar and carrier they made with Russian aid, but these seem to be experimental as they're ow in number a few dozen for each series. Once they introduce this it will be a decent mid range system.
Their long range system HQ-9 is a late S-200 variant obtained via Iran, which has further been improved by Russians. Later they replaced the first stage with a booster stage from a space rocket to get a bit more range. Nowadays it meets or exceeds Patriot PAC-3 missile qualifications, which was the Chinese goal since the start.
10b977 No.535737
>>535734
Why do they do it? Is it like western tapestries?
Has a very medieval aesthetic, strange but nice.
f74928 No.535738
>>535721
It's called a gobelin.
10b977 No.535739
>>535738
Gobelin seems to be just a tapestry, which I understand. It's kind of a cotton weave picture put on walls to trap air and insulate the place.
But this is a CARPET on the wall. Is it also to trap warmth?
f74928 No.535741
>>535739
Yes, it also looks nice
10b977 No.535744
>>535741
I can't imagine someone doing this in the modern age, it looks so medieval-chic.
30a73a No.535751
>>535744
look we live in a world where some people still havent realized that you should hang framed pictures on walls
415547 No.535804
>>535658
If American cities were bombed then I have no doubt in my mind that the fighting would not end until ether the chinks surrender, or we murder every last one of them. The reason why we could not go all in in Vietnam was because of fear of fighting a nuclear China. But now that that cat is out of the bag there would be no turning back. Also keep in mind that all major cities that would be the number 1 target in a strategic nuclear strike are all liberal hell holes. Another fucking retarded notion is thinking that a major land war with china would be bad for the economy. Last time we got motivated to murder all the yellow people it pulled us out of the great depression. All of the points you are making would only apply to a small proxy war where we would not fight the PLA head on. They are so dependent on us that they would only cut trade if they bombed us. And once you do that, you are really fucked.
cd62d1 No.535805
>>535658
Oh no the soyboys in Commieforina can't get their new iphones whatever will the US do? Christ britbong it would at most be a minor inconvenience for a few months.
cd62d1 No.535806
>>535658
>imagine it was cruise missiles hitting major American cities or military/economic targets close to them
>He thinks that if the US got attacked at home it would go down like Veitnam
Ok now you are just being retarded. Do you even remember what happened right after 9/11? We invaded and killed tonnes of people that had nothing to with it with the highest approval rating in years. If the chinks attacked US soil people would want to kill them down to the last man.
36046b No.535820
>>535804
>Last time we got motivated to murder all the yellow people it pulled us out of the great depression.
Historical data suggests it actually kept us in a Great Depression an additional 2 years when it was about to end anyways.
f74928 No.535822
>>535804
> The reason why we could not go all in in Vietnam was because of fear of fighting a nuclear China
I thought it's becase soviet-funded degenerates were chimping out and wanted free dope, abortions and sex while lacking understanding of the real world?
c09485 No.535823
>>535822
that too. its never just one thing.
228e55 No.535830
>>535658
Nice pic. Looks like thats from a liberal area in china..Cops from my hometown in the rural area there are armed with batons and luck.
Did you know these guys dont get bullets on patrol???? Only police in Xinjiang/Tibet/Beijing get boolets
>>535454
Just a reminder that if war broke out between the Kurds and Turkey today, The Kurds would win.
The Kurds has numerous A2AD systems such as ballistic missiles, anti-ship ballistic missiles, naval mines and air defenses. They are capable of destroying any Turkish Navy units within the first chain of useless rocks. These platforms continue to grow in size and improve in quality by the hour. The Turkish have no way to counter to them.
The Kurds also has advanced cyber and space warfare capabilities. At any moment of their choosing, The PKK could take down Turkish power grids, communication lines, military software and so on. Kurds is also capable of taking down Turkey satellites, crucial to navigation, communication and information gathering.
>Leftypol bait tier here.
091fc2 No.535866
>>535261
China can't project force for shit. The best they can do is defend the Chinese mainland, bits of the coast and fuck the South Koreans. Probably also bomb the Japs pretty heavily but that's it.
The question is who would come off worse in the inevitable stalemate and economic stagnation: my money is on the Chinks since their population has less incentive to keep fighting.
091fc2 No.535869
>>535866
>>535261
Also any reasonable war between China and the USA has as factors US allies (including every significant blue-water and strong green-water navy) and India (even if not as direct combatants as economic ones), China would be lucky to pull in anyone other than North Korea.
091fc2 No.535875
>>535304
Probably India, assuming the USA, China and Russia don't get involved. They've got more men, better equipment and much more distance between the likely front line and important targets. In fact every time they've fought previously either India has come out on top or a stalemate (often India-sided) has resulted.
When a retard fights a cripple always bet on the retard.
>>535290
If anything the USA has more to gain by using mines against China, the USN would dominate the naval conflict so heavily that mines won't reach North America or even Europe. The USA (or at least North America) is also self-sufficient in most major resources, worst case you'd have to rebuild a bit of outsourced industry.
>>535298
>>535289
Vietnam and China have hated each other for centuries, one of the reasons the Vietnam War was such a silly move was how inevitable a conflict between the two was anyway. If anything the Vietnam War just delayed the consequences of the Sino-Soviet split, it's not hard to imagine a Communist Vietnam devolving into a proxy war between China and Russia much earlier than happened in reality. Of course at this point the USA wasn't quite up on the difference between the various ethnicities of gooks so it was less obvious.
>>535424
Navy only, though as >>535433 says you'd need allied bases and likely muhreens or allied ground forces to prevent the piss-poor excuse for an amphibious assault they might try when they start to panic.
>>535496
Nobody is going to throw nukes around if there's no risk of them being nuked since it just invites retaliation, one of the Soviet plans for the Cold War relied on this to keep the UK and France from launching (an explicit promise they wouldn't be hit). Russia isn't going to step into that mess and the rest of the nuclear powers are either US-aligned or armed (and interested) only for regional strikes.
>>535516
If it's an American second strike the Russians will obviously be informed in advance, even if it's a first strike a quick phone call and a study of what's being targeted will keep the Russians out. Frankly they'd be happy to just sit back and watch two long-term rivals nuke each other.
>>535309
>entire nuclear arsenal consists of between 200 and 400 warheads, only a few of which are on ICBM's
It's actually possible they've got a lot more hidden in various places, though likely most of those are regional-only. Though even if they do they won't be prepared to launch fast enough for a first strike without giving the game away.
>>535658
The USA could happily last a few months without Chinese products, it'd take a month or two for the effects to become apparent and as long as people are fed there's no issue. Look at how the UK and Germany both survived rationing in WW2, if your population believes a war is just and it looks like they're winning (or at least not losing) they'll put up with damn near anything. Vietnam was a war that was seen as unjust and unwinnable. If the big cities get nuked not only do you anger the remaining population but you also disproportionately hit the anti-war and pro-Communist types too.
3ffd67 No.535966
Who would win
Poland or Czech republic
f920b6 No.535990
>>535966
better one
who would win
Poland or Greece winner gets the other's shares of Germany's welfarebux
091fc2 No.536077
>>535966
Probably Poland, they have a 10:1 advantage in armoured vehicles, about 4:1 with manpower and a huge advantage in aircraft.
>>535990
Neither country could reach each other, nothing happens. At best a bit of bombing here and there.
3ce69f No.536090
f4d3cf No.536114
>>535990
That's not even a contest.
Who would win Sweden (without immigrants) vs San Francisco (without gang members). You may think Sweden would have the numbers advantage, but remember that we're not including the 'New Swedes' in our count there.
30a73a No.536117
>>535966
Czechy probably. they have quite good track record against us and nobody would take them seriously because their accents are the cutest thing in the world. also have more troops concentrated in a smaller area
>>535990
we should ally and burn down berlin instead.
091fc2 No.536118
>>536114
Sweden has a military, SF has a police force at best. Sweden wins. Unless of course you meant population vs population, my money would still be on the Swedes though because their northern population is less cucked.
f74928 No.536120
>>536117
>Czechy probably. they have quite good track record against us
Not really, they killed our missionary in X century, but Mieszko married dobrawa, and in 1935 those "dishonorable ebil gnatzees" t. Beck who speaks so much about honor, but flees to romania (^: helped us get Zaolzie back.
Now we'd be worse in guerilla warfare since czechs have more guns.
We could have stronger guns but nobody seems to realize that you can walk in to a gun store, get any pre 1880~ ball and cap replica using the same rules you follow when buying alcohol or tobacco, just show a proof of being an adult Are ship cannons legal as well, technically speaking?
>we should ally and burn down berlin instead.
we should buy or lease torpedo boats from Greece and solve the (((refugee crisis)))
f74928 No.536121
4a9f2e No.536122
>>535990
Greece
>>536077
>Probably Poland, they have a 10:1 advantage in armoured vehicles, about 4:1 with manpower and a huge advantage in aircraft.
What the fuck are you smoking?
Poland has three squadrons of F-16, one (two on paper) of MiG-29 and maybe one of Su-22.
Greece has eight squadrons of F-16 (all block 50 or above except one + two training squadrons + one special technical squadron) alone… + two of mirage 2000-5 Mk2 squadrons + two F4E squadrons.
Same for ground troops Greece has 3 ARMY CORPS were Poland has 3 Division…
30a73a No.536124
>>536118
>Sweden has a military
nice one lad
>>536120
>Are ship cannons legal as well, technically speaking?
i think yes, but i havent checked our gun laws in a while.
also flamethrowers are nowhere mentioned making them absolutly 100%legal
>>536122
he is comparing to czechs not greeks
4a9f2e No.536125
>>536122
Greece can probably invade Germany for loot and then fend-off Poland…
4a9f2e No.536126
ad2114 No.536127
Ok lads, Germany invades Poland and Hungary because they are being mean to the poor terrorists, who wins?
f74928 No.536130
>>536127
Poland and Hungary because sgt. John Smith from the US Army enjoying his deployment in Poland slipped and sprained his ankle while the evil germans were nearby (clearly their fault) so America after consulting it with Israel decided that such audacious act of evil will not be tolerated and Germany is wiped from the face of the earth.
"far right" people are banned from conscription in Germany military, so they'd have diversity corps and demoralized cucks
a07fe0 No.536141
>>535334
https://archive.fo/9lfzU
>In one of history's more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission. According to a statement issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month and strictly stipulates the procedures by which one is to reincarnate, is "an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation."
>Well, didn't seem to reach enlightenment or detachment from all things. Time to reincarnate into a grasshopper or somethi-
<Whoa there Yogi Bear, your candle is snuffed out because you didn't fill out Reincarnation forms 2 and 3 in triplicate. Your pain is legally obligated to end.
f74928 No.536143
>>536141
>mfw I was joking about leftists trying to turn God's Heavenly Kingdom into Democratic People's Republic of Blue Sky if given the chance
>mfw The Chinese spies took it seriously and decided to adopt it
f4d3cf No.536163
>>536141
>Chinese government tries to stop Buddhist monks reincarnating.
>…
>With paperwork.
>…
>…
>What the fuck did I just read?
I know that they probably wouldn't release them, but is anyone else kind of interested in reading the minutes of the meeting/s that lead to that decision?
2fed27 No.536188
>>535387
>china has no way of countering them
cargo ships
>>536163
Read the article, the chinks are trying to take away power from tibet and the Dalai Lama
f4d3cf No.536193
>>536188
I'm aware of that, but this just seems like a bizarre way to do it. I know that attacking a subjugated nations culture, religion, traditions etc is a good way to stamp out long term resistance - but that's usually better accomplished with education and (at least in more developed societies) media. Attempting to bureaucratise reincarnation seems like the sort of idea that desperate civil servants come up with at 3am, 6 hours before the final proposal is due, once the take out has long since gone cold. I'd just find it entertaining to read the record of the conversation they had before agreeing on that plan.
7c2777 No.536197
>>536135
>>536136
So, why should we believe random screenshots?
c79c36 No.536200
>>536193
>>536163
>>536141
Lamas are supposedly immortal, they always reincarnate as humans, little kids are chosen to be lamas.
Now that was cool because instead of being a dirt peasant working for the monks, a peasant kid could become prince (that's what a lama is) or even king and your family would be now respected dirt peasants and your brothers would probably become monks too.
(In our societies we call that system of population control through thin hope "The National Lottery").
Problem is this isn't the middle age anymore and if you're gonna kidnap minor citizens to brainwash them into thinking they're an immortal different person, you can of need to ask permission from the gov' first.
Which is suddenly not that weird…
Actual Buddhism is not the cheap copy spread by Californians hippies, it's just as totalitarian as the worst forms of feudalism Europe knew.
There is a reason why communism took root so well in Buddhist areas.
f4d3cf No.536203
>>536200
>Actual Buddhism is not the cheap copy spread by Californians hippies, it's just as totalitarian as the worst forms of feudalism Europe knew.
I know that Buddhist theology gets more and more disgusting the more you read it, and that the Lama is basically a feudal tyrant in exile - but is that all this was? A way for the Chinese government to say "No, this kid is not the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama, the Dalai Lama didn't fill in form 208029-s-2 (reincarnation: permission - prior to death) in full, so he didn't reincarnate this time and your entire culture and history is now meaningless"? Because even though they're dealing with an uneducated population of medieval tier Yak-fuckers that seems like a long shot at best. Couldn't they wait/arrange for the current Lama to die, get their hands on the new kid, and indoctrinate him themselves? Subvert the religion and turn it into a "Buddha wants you to be a good citizen!" sort of thing.
49adec No.536222
>>536197
Ahahaha, CIDF go home. The truth in those screencaps is self-evident to anyone who's ever had to deal with the yellow bastards. The ant-people are a soulless mockery of life - even worse than the jews. If a jew is trying to rip you off, but you somehow still get a good deal from him, he's not going to lose any sleep over it. He'll fine-tune his scam to rip you off better in the future, and laugh when you come back to buy from him again because of the "great deal" you got last time. Try that same scenario with a chinaman instead and he'll sabotage his own products, because he finds the idea of someone getting more than they paid for to be outright disgusting, no matter how much he might already be profiting off you.
>>536203
They're not trying to accomplish anything. It's just impotent bureaucratic dickwaving (a chinese speciality). It's pointless and unenforceable, and they know it. It's just for the sake of saying "We are the highest authority! We control all!". It's literally dog-pissing-on-a-lamppost levels of politics - they're marking their territory.
Even if they try to really press the issue, the most it'll achieve is making a slant-eyed antipope. Pointless.
c79c36 No.536224
>>536203
The fact that Chinese and worst Chinese commies (double the scum) are scum, doesn't make the lamas the good guys. Tibet and cie pre-CPC invasion was essentially middle age Europe with feudal lords and church lands.
Saying that the christian clergy were bastards isn't the whole truth.
But the fact remain that 95+% of the population were in a form of fairly harsh servitude, so that the 5% remaining kept praying properly…
My point is things are shitty now… but they weren't exactly better before.
Things are certainly worse for the Buddhist clergy but for the average Tibetans? I'm willing to bet it's not that different except now they have indoor plumbing and the possibility to go be slaves on the coast in chinese mega factories instead of slaves in rice paddies…
> Because even though they're dealing with an uneducated population of medieval tier Yak-fuckers that seems like a long shot at best
That's the thing… The population isn't uneducated anymore. China seeks to ridicule them and it's largely working.
In the 50's they were wagging a partisan war, from the 60's to the 80's the Lamas demanded "independence", from the 80's to the 90's, "high autonomy", from the 90's to 2000's "some autonomy".
Currently they ask China to not transform ALL the temples into bordellos and tourism spots…
That tells you everything you need to know about the Tibetan population support of the "free Tibet" movement.
d47467 No.536229
>>535269
>zhang jiang
you are too young, too simple, sometimes naive
36046b No.536240
>>536224
Considering China pretty much shipped their mainlanders over to Tibet en masse and that there's effectively a Tibetan genocide happening in China, this isn't that surprising. China didn't "educate" them or "teach them better." China genocided the local population through forced interbreeding. Pretty much China are the niggers of Asia, but just smart enough to plan ahead instead of shouting ooga booga.
c740a8 No.536245
>>536203
>I know that Buddhist theology gets more and more disgusting the more you read it, and that the Lama is basically a feudal tyrant in exile
Original Buddhism was a collection of techniques that let people cope with the life in overcrowded cities. A good Buddhist has no problem living in a small hole in a smelly, sweaty, loud crowd, because he knows how to shut down his own mind and grind through the day. Of course it's all backed by the Indian religion of the day, with deities and other planes of existence. But when it was developed, India was already a civilization, a mummy of a culture, just masses of the last men controlled by bureaucratic systems. And it's also a great population control, because all those young men live in celibacy for at least a few years, if not for the rest of their lives.
In Tibet this became the cornerstone of the feudal system, but most of Southeast Asia it remained true to its origins. In China it kind of worked like that too, but of course adopted to what remained of the old religion in the Chinese civilization. And also it was a novelty religion, like how the denizens of the Roman Empire started worshiping Egyptian gods in strange mystery cults. Korea and Japan were under the influence of the Chinese civilization until at least the 19th century, but they themselves were those periphery regions that aren't exactly civilizations on their own, but they are so deeply influenced by civilizations that they easily pick up their systems. This is how they ended up with Buddhist monasteries, even though at this point the religious background had nothing to do with the original version.
By the way, it's interesting that the Mosou people devolved into a semi-matriarchal society because of Buddhism. All the men turning into monks simply led to a shortage of available men, damaging the social arrangement. Surprisingly similar to what happened in the West when women started to work during the world wars, when there was also a shortage of available men, but no immediate danger presented itself in the daily lives of women.
228e55 No.536407
>>536240
I went to tibet this year. It's not more of a genocide as it is more of the fact that they just sent 25% of the Chengdu population to Tibet and overpopulated everyone there. In my experience most Tibetans either hate or love the new government. The haters want to raze and burn it to the ground. The lovers want to bring in even more immigrants Hint. Their american dems.
Tibet in ten years is the future of the white population in America in 50. Coming from a freedom loving Asian American here that kinda says something.
hi MSS
a549ad No.536745
Who would win?
Iran vs. Saudi Arabia.
No allies, no foreign intervention, no (((coincidences))). A good old 1 on 1 total war.
30a73a No.536746
>>536745
saudia cannot take on a band of yemeni goatherders on their own
f4d3cf No.536748
>>536745
Iran either sweeps through Saudi 'military' and takes the city before the insurgency starts (n.b. Iranian response to insurgents would most likely involve carpet-bombings), or they nuke the middle east, leading America into nuking Iran, and Israel into nuking everybody.
c79c36 No.536755
>>536240
That's not how this shit work. You have to read more about how China is China to understand it.
Basically in china if you're tibetan everyone will mock you as being a god fearing peasant (instead of just being a peasant) so every tibetan that want to do some other shit with life than complain and feed the monks (like have a job, or that his kid get a better education and wont be an actual peasant) LIE and pretend they're Chinese. Because it makes their lives so much more easy and in a couple of generation it becomes a shameful family secret that grand-pa & grand-ma were Tibetan.
That's the same exact phenomena that happened to the Mongols and the Manchu…
They don't exist as a minority despite having WON against the Chinese,conquered them and settle China, de facto probably making over half the population.
There is an excellent book on this written by a french missionary in the early 19th century ( https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/32747 ). Said missionaries were trained in speaking Manchu since it was the Manchu empire. When they came to China no Manchu. When they finally went to Manchuria… no Manchu there either.
Even in remote villages were there was utterly no doubt the people there were Manchu, they pretended to be Chinese and to have always been Chinese.
Chinese culture was already an assimilation society. Chinese communism culture is an assimilation society + gulags and executions if you're unhappy.
Most Tibetans speak of "cultural genocide" and it's exactly that, it's not really a genocide.
>>536745
Iran. With one hand tied behind it's back.
8bea8b No.536782
>>536745
Iran wins the war, the world wins because not only is Saudi Arabia (the home of a large portion of fundamentalist islam) fucked but because of all the money the Saudis throw into mercenaries during the war and then the inevitable civil war. Imagine the fun of watching Syria implode but with top-of-the-line hardware.
a549ad No.537288
>>536782
Well it could become a serious problem for Iran to even get onto Saudi soil in the first place. Their Navy isn't up to snuff, so their invasion would probably be every fishing vessel at their disposal filled to the brim with soldiers, and a couple cargo vessels with vehicles. If the Saudis manage to sink those with missiles (which I doubt. The Iranians could bolt some SAMs to the decks) that would probably lead to a lot of problems.
How could the initial invasion and logistics be supported if the Saudis manage to somehow gain air superiority? What about those S400 they got from Russia?
c79c36 No.537293
>>537288
>Well it could become a serious problem for Iran to even get onto Saudi soil in the first place.
Why?
You do realize that a good chunk of the Iranian army is already roaming about in Iraq and Syria yes?
a549ad No.537295
>>537293
>No allies, no foreign intervention, no (((coincidences)))
If we were to assume that they both began the war with their troops in their current borders, then it would obviously be a tough nut to crack for the Iranians.
Sure, with the current placement of Saudi "consultants" and Iranian forces in Syria/Iraq it would be an easy win for Iran, but that makes me wonder why they aren't going for it RIGHT now?
c79c36 No.537303
>>537295
Because Saudi Arabia and Israel have nukes and Iran doesn't.
21c737 No.537319
>>535261
Just a reminder that if weaponized smallpox were to "accidentally" break out in china, they would lose their entire working population. A similar attack in the U.S. would kill all our niggers. I'll make that trade, and then the U.S. can finally arm Taiwan to retake the homeland from the JEW cock sucking reds. Fucking dog eaters.
ca0318 No.537385
>>537293
>turkroaches
>friends with Persia
DELET THIS
8bea8b No.537564
>>537288
>How could the initial invasion and logistics be supported if the Saudis manage to somehow gain air superiority? What about those S400 they got from Russia?
I assumed there wouldn't really be a long-term problem there because Saudi Arabia would collapse into anarchy/civil war the moment the Iranians gained a beachhead. If Iran only needs to force them to make peace rather than annihilate them as a country that should be sufficient.
e9d535 No.537570
>>535285
Far out theory I got told a while ago: Russia has had non-nuclear EMP weaponry since the Cold War, and has held China hostage ever since.
0f83fb No.537583
Who would win?
Sweden or Denmark?
cca60c No.537588
>>537583
Apartheid era South Africa vs Israel, No allies allowed
modernized Techno-Prussia vs modern day Russia
The US vs the entire world, no nukes, occupation is not an objective
d7c210 No.537592
>>537588
Hungary after I've convinced everyone here to grab a service rifle and some rifle grenades vs the little entente (minus Croatia and Slovenia)
c7de9e No.537593
>>537583
Finland.
>>537588 (heiled)
>Apartheid era South Africa vs Israel, No allies allowed
My money's on South Africa, so long as Israel's puppet states can't bail her out. Israel's military competence is blown wildly out of proportion.
>modernized Techno-Prussia vs modern day Russia
Since one of those is sci-fi, my money's on Russia.
>The US vs the entire world, no nukes, occupation is not an objective
China>USA
0f83fb No.537613
>>537592
>everybody under army
>country starves after two weeks without logistical support
2e8c1d No.537621
>>535352
>I wish China would start a war against the USA. I'd love to go over to China and massacre those slants. Or if they try to invade the USA i'd love to massacre them here as well.
instead, you stay a fat ugly virgin loser shitposting in front of your computer all day long ;)
4eee26 No.537623
>>537621
t. fat ugly virgin loser
2e8c1d No.537626
>>536407
>t. fat ugly virgin loser
at least you recognize what you are ;)
228e55 No.537634
>>537626
Feels bad to be pragmatic about my skin color I'm Chinese-american but that doesn't make me stupid enough to not see the current nigs trying to ruin everything with muh opressed people rhetoric The US is going to go down Roman empire style, simply because too many languages and too many cultures. A country has to have it's own dominant culture.
In all serriousness though, if the us could blockade china for a week they'd win cause no oil= no logistics flow= starving masses.
That's what the Belt and road initiative is for, it's to secure a land pipeline of oil.
0f83fb No.537636
>>537634
>Hello Chink-American-anon
You have been posting here a lot lately. What gives?
c268d7 No.537643
228e55 No.537645
>>537636
I live in a funs zone and I want to learn more so I don't get cheesed like my gramps did in the cultural revolution.
In other words I'm not a califag from the cities
Plus, I've seen a military exercise in Tibet and know most of the issues with the nation cause I spent three years there subverting the communist party teaching american culture.