55cc26 No.533964
This thread is under the administration of the Royal Hungarian Army. All posters are ordered to post and discuss in an orderly and disciplined manner. Failure to comply will result in summary execution or assignment to a penal unit.
Image dump is a-go.
55cc26 No.533966
>Flood detected; Post discarded.
Flood detection shall not stop the offensive.
9857d1 No.533971
>Hungarian WW2 thread
Nice what is with your country's Panzerfaust fetish?
55cc26 No.533976
>>533971
Someone figured out that rockets are reasonably cheap, don't require the amount of rare materials and heavy industrial capacity that artillery does, easy to move around and has potential. Unfortunately, we didn't figure this out early enough. The 44M Buzogányvető (mace-launcher) was only used sporadically, but with devastating effect. It had an anti-infantry fragmentation warhead version that was occasionally used against the Soviets during the fighting in the Carpathians and the defense of the Árpád-line and had a rather gruesome effect on enemy infantry.
>fetish
Fetishes can be healthy.
33e96e No.533994
How do people rate Miklós Horthy in today's Hungary? I tend to associate him with Orbán in the sense that while Horthy was stuck between the Soviets and the Germans, Orbán is trying to navigate EU membership without loss of sovereignty and being sufficiently western as to not wind up in the Russian sphere
55cc26 No.534000
>>533994
People are divided about him. Some despise him and every time there is an initiative to raise a memorial or a statue of him, they raise a stink. Particularly the left, who are not as powerful in Hungary as they can be in the West and are a lot more fragmented, but they can still make their voices heard. The most common accusation is aligning the country with Hitler, having the army sent to the front which lead to the disaster at the River Don (we'll get there in due time during this thread), being responsible for the Hungarian Holocaust, being an antisemite and all that. It should also be noted that Horthy's Hungary wasn't particularly socially sensitive. The divide between rich and poor was wide and social mobility was low. Also, Horthy came to power through violence; the Red Terror in Hungary was very nasty, but the White Terror that followed it wasn't less violent and Horthy turned a blind eye towards some cruel things.
On the other hand, the right respects him. Under Horthy's reign, the country prospered. After Trianon we were knocked out and in a few years we stood up; the economy was developing, universities were producing incredibly well-trained technical experts, the standards of living were slowly, but surely improving. Also, under Horthy's reign we managed to liberate some of our lost territories, even if it meant aligning ourselves with the Axis. It was a deal with the devil, but all the others were even worse devils to deal with. Also, as a person, Horthy was a honourable and well-educated military aristocrat who genuinely cared about his country, even if his vision for the Hungarian society was more like a 19th century-esque "the peasantry should know its place" kind of society.
Horthy was one of the very last remnants of the old European military aristocrat class and it showed.
In my opinion, both sides have legit points and both sides have things they are very wrong about, when it comes to Horthy.
The hottest issue was his antisemitism. Horthy made a distinction between the old Hungarian Jewry (interestingly a good number of those were full throttle Hungarian nationalists at the time) who need to be kept in line but are otherwise fine and the so-called "Galizianer" Jews, Polish, Ukrainian and Russian Jews who fled from Czarist Russia and who were widely disliked by Hungarian Christian and Jew alike. Laws were made back then that restricted the number of Jews who could attend universities, for example. These were the Numerus Clausus laws. The sleeping meds are kicking in and writing coherently is becoming hard. It should also be noted that the Numerus Clausus was not there to fuck with the Jews, but to allow more Christians to rise to the middle class.
>Orbán is trying to navigate EU membership without loss of sovereignty and being sufficiently western as to not wind up in the Russian sphere
Orbán is a pathetic shit who backtalks to the EU to look tough for his voters and who sucks up to Putin while he used to shittalk of him all the time before he came to power again. He embodies the worst traits a Hungarian can have and in a sane world he would only rise as high as being a pot-bellied town mayor of a smaller town.
55cc26 No.534002
Horthy's son, István. Now, about him only good things can be said.
>trained engineer
>worked at a Ford factory Detroit in his twenties for a whole year to hone his mechanical engineering skills
>upon returning to Hungary, works at MÁVAG, helps developing better steam locomotives and had a part in designing the MÁV Class 424, one of the best things Hungary ever exported, we used to be fucking awesome at building trains
>savvy businessman and competent high level company executive
>openly disliked Nazis
>accomplished pilot
>Eastern Front fighter ace
>was known to be a very friendly and dependable kind of guy
>died in a plane accident
Bear it in mind that he could have just enjoyed the high life of a lazy Hungarian aristo with champagne, cars, race horses, hunting trips and fucking high-class actresses. But no, he chose to be awesome instead, lived an active life and didn't shy away from having to fight in the war. His wife, Countess Ilona Edelsheim-Gyulai de Marosnémethi et Nádaska was also someone great, she worked as a nurse during the war and used her influence to rescue Jews.
f7bbf8 No.534004
>>534002
>Only good things can be said
>Openly disliked Nazis
What ever you say.
55cc26 No.534007
>>534004
Let's not go down that road, this isn't /pol/.
f7bbf8 No.534009
>>534007
This is /pol/chan, though.
55cc26 No.534010
>>534009
Fair enough, but let's stick to the topic at hand.
Note the Toldis. License-built and improved Swedish light tanks. They were pretty decent when light tanks still stood a chance, but were only used for reconnaissance after about 1942. A Toldi could stand up to a BT-7 or it could have stood up to the Renault tanks of the Romanian military against which the Hungarian military was originally geared up against, but it didn't last long against a T-34 or even worse, a KV-1. Having said that, the Toldi was a good recon tank.
55cc26 No.534013
Cyclist infantry. Looks embarassing, but was actually quite common in WW2 in almost all armies.
Note the Skoda Pz38 and the Pz4 as well. We used a good number of Czech and German gear. Using captured equipment was not uncommon either, there was at least one M3 Stuarts in Hungarian livery used as a tractor. We'll get there as well in due time.
28e5ad No.534014
I had a Hungarian physics teacher in high school that arrived here around the mid sixties. She said she lived in a country where Hungarians were not liked and were being persecuted. Do you know where that could be? Please don't tell me she might have been a Jew. I adored her, such a sweet old lady.
18d75d No.534015
>>533976
>fetishes can be healthy
As much as /pol/ would disagree, I have to point out that the Swiss have a fetish for neutrality, and they seem to be doing fine.
>>534009
>/pol/chan
I am sorry for derailing your thread, hungari-chan, but thisiswhathastobedone.webm
This is not /pol/-chan. h8chan was founded for the sole purpose of free speech. I am not going to tell you to fuck off, because you have the right to blatantly lie under free speech, but I also have the right to call out out for it.
55cc26 No.534017
The truck is a Rába Botond all-terrain vehicle. It was fucking awesome. When mud season sets in and the Russian roads are swamped with mud only two things could still keep going: horses and the unstoppable Botond truck.
>>534015
No problem. We have different opinions and for different reasons. Also, lingerie fetish is healthy for men of all political persuations.
>>534014
She probably came from Yugoslavia, Romania or Czechoslovakia. Likely the former two. The persecution was the most severe in Romania, on the other hand getting out of that place Westwards was hard in the sixties. It could have been Yugoslavia then. If she was indeed Jewish, that's fine, not all Hungarian Jews are like Soros. My family knew a lot of really nice and friendly Jews. You have nothing to worry about.
18d75d No.534020
>>534017
>lingerie
Steel skirts arouse me.
Post more hungarian StuGs in cute skirts pls.
55cc26 No.534022
Nimróds and Csaba's. The Nimród was yet another combination of Swedish and Hungarian technological know-how which turned into an very effective flakpanzer. Very accurate too, we were making pretty good fire control "computers" at the time. I'll discuss these in detail when I get to the part about WW2 Hungarian electronic warfare. Yes, it existed.
The Csaba was of local know-how. Straussler Miklós/Nicholas Straussler (Tetrarch, Sherman DD) had a hand in its design. An excellent reconnaissance vehicle, if a bit hard to steer. After the war, the gommies were thinking about restarting its production in the late 1940's, but the Soviets interfered, if I recall. Buy our shit, don't design your own.
The 20mm AT rifle could be dismounted if the mission needed to be carried on foot and the Csaba had TWO driver seats facing opposite directions to disengage from the enemy faster. Holy fuck, these sleeping meds are strong.
28e5ad No.534023
>>534017
Okay thanks. She is or at least was a Christian so it is unlikely she is a Jew by blood. She claims to have had a fairly wealthy upbringing before moving to Australia owing to her father's membership of (((the communist party))). She never mentioned which country's communist party though. Wouldn't surprise me if that was largely responsible.
Where are the Hungarian rifle grenades?
Or are you that other Hung-Aryan anon?
55cc26 No.534025
>>534020
Feast your hungry eyes greedily and without restraint on these beasts. Delicious skirts. They are taunting you. They are mocking you. StuGs in skirts. They tease you and they like it.
55cc26 No.534027
>>534023
Here you go. Handle them with care.
d57e80 No.534028
I just wish we could be allies with the Axis man
28e5ad No.534030
>>534028
Third time lucky?
55cc26 No.534031
>>534028
Somewhere, in an alternate timeline.
>tfw not born in the Kaiserreich timeline
>no KuK Panzertruppen
>ywn make the Reds fear the might of Mitteleuropa
d57e80 No.534033
>>534030
I want the third time to be right.
One last chance to redeem ourselves and make this shit fucking nation great again. May god let me take part in it all.
>>534031
We'll do things right the next time Hungarybro
19238a No.534037
>>534028
We would have if Mussolini had not gone full /int/ard.
>tfw if we weren't forced to go to war we would not have to delay Operation Barbarossa
>tfw commies would be viewed as the traitors they are instead of patriots
>tfw after the War we could have eugenics that would undo the damage inflicted on our gene-pool by 400 years of turkroach occupation
>tfw Whole White World free of (((degeneracy)))
55cc26 No.534038
This picture deserve a separate post.
Behold. Two things in one picture that make a soldier fear God, a Tiger and an army chaplain. According to the memoirs I read, Hungarian soldiers didn't have much respect for civilian priests beyond common courtesy. But military chaplains? They had officer ranks, had orderlies and they could make your filthy, miserable, sinful soul tremble and weep for salvation. You took the chaplain dead seriously if you were in the army.
I spoke to some current soldiers. The tradition lives on, chaplains are respected, because they are also reliable people.
60c1b5 No.534040
>>534022
Those armored cars look cute as fuck. are they mine resistant?
55cc26 No.534043
>>534037
>>534033
Our time will come.
>>534040
Cute indeed and quite big actually. As for mine resistance, I don't know. I presume not though, those tires were thick as fuck and maybe they could withstand an anti-personell mine, but definitely not an anti-tank mine. The Csaba was a recon vehicle, it was meant to be fast and to be able to handle rough terrain. The armour was thin and it was not meant to take a lot of damage.
2f9df7 No.534301
>>534014
Consider that our dear neighbours formed a great alliance just to defend themselves from us if we ever did something to them after they stole so much of our lands: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Entente Indeed, she could be from any of these. Or maybe Kárpátalja, that was part of the USSR for a few decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia
>>534010
I wonder, is that a signal or smoke grenade on the rifle in the first pic? I once found something that looked just like that, but it looks like that damned site had to disappear from the internet.
>>534027
Could you tell us about these? I thought we only used German rifle grenade launchers later in the war.
9857d1 No.534302
>>534043
Wait a second, is that a benis gun?
55cc26 No.534324
While on topic of benis, we DID have an armoured car later on that was called Felderítő-Úszó Gépkocsi or D-442 FUG. An amphibious recon car, pretty good by Cold War standards.
>>534301
Dunno. They don't appear Vécsey grenades though. I'm not sure about the rifle grenades, they are likely German.
18d75d No.534694
>>534033
With Turkish Chromium, A new south flank for Russia to defend in Georgia, and even more problems for the western allies to deal with in the med, how would WWII have turn out with the Greek in the Axis for the start?
No delay due to Italy's failure too.
0226ea No.534931
>>534037
Silly for Greeks to be nazi larpers, you have Metaxas's august 4th govt to be proud of. When the Italians invaded Greece, Greece actually gained territory in albania because of the relatively competent govt and army at that time.
ddebc8 No.534972
>>534009
>This is /pol/chan, though.
No, this is 8chan.
If there were any justice it'd actually be Bismarckchan.
b39825 No.534988
>>534010
Look like an MG30 in the first pic.
a2fb83 No.535051
huge magyarphile here. 99.9% of the images you've uploaded are already on my hard drive but i'll contribute some of what i don't already see.
i have an unhealthy obsession with the folyami erők. they just look and feel like badasses.
oh and hungarian camouflage is and always will be sexy.
55cc26 No.535072
>>535051
>folyamőrség
Négerem.
'River Guard', Hungary's marine corps. They are still around, although only with a cadre of about 50 people and three ships.
55cc26 No.535073
FAM class demining vessel, postwar.
>magnetic mines
>let's make the ship out of wood
>we have a steel shortage anyway and either lost a lot of our ships or sunk them to resurface them when times are better
55cc26 No.535074
And while on topic, behold: the Hungarian Navy.
9857d1 No.535081
55cc26 No.535094
>>535091
River navy, mostly. Although in K.u.K. times we had honest-to-Tengri destroyers, submarines, cruisers and a dreadnought. Even after Trianon we had a considerable merchant navy stationed in foreign ports.
Pic related, the SMS Leitha is still around, she is anchored in front of the Parliament when it is not winter. She is one of the world's last remaining river monitors left, as far as I know, a herald of a bygone age of maritime history.
55cc26 No.535096
PAM-21, WW2 river monitor. Note the Csaba turret.
37d7c4 No.535108
3dd2d8 No.535112
>>535082
That's a nice Serb-built boat you got there in the second pic… :)
55cc26 No.535116
>>535112
Pretty good boats, indeed. Speaking of boats, you have one of ours and you're not taking proper care of it. Pls gib.
55cc26 No.535120
>>535117
Ah, the Győr. She served all the way until the end and had a lot of Titoist partisans, Soviet infantrymen and at least one heavy bomber on her kill tally.
>ywn serve in the old Hungarian navy
>most people are even surprised when they hear 'Hungarian navy'
55cc26 No.535121
Let's talk about tonks.
Enter Straussler Miklós or Nicholas Straussler, he did tank designs for both the British and us. For the British he designed a bomb trolley for Lancaster bombers, the Tetrarch tank and Sherman DD. In the thirties, he also fiddled around with light/amphibious tank concepts for the Royal Hungarian Army that was in the process of rearming and flexing its muscles.
3dd2d8 No.535123
>>535116
Spoils of war, no gibbing back.
55cc26 No.535125
Straussler V3. V stood for Vontató, meaning tractor or tow vehicle. Because it is absolutely not a tank at all, it is for civilian uses. It is not in violation of any treaties.
>>535123
Gib.
55cc26 No.535128
The V-3 prototype was (somewhat) amphibious and passed swimming trials. The amphibious tank as we know it was a relatively new thing at the time. Nevertheless, the V-3 didn't perform too well and remained a prototype. The single prototype was sold to Britain in 1936, was given a stronger engine and underwent additional testing.
55cc26 No.535129
Straussler V-4. Now we're talking. This little guy actually performed quite well on the trials and with its decent armour, good handling and 40mm gun, was considered a good tank by 1937 standards.
55cc26 No.535130
Woe is me, I added the same picture twice by accident
It wasn't too small either. The Italians were interested in it, the single prototype was taken to Italy in 1938 and was taken back in 1942.
ddebc8 No.535135
>>535074
Now I want to play RtW again.
6e4941 No.535148
noice finally more for my folder
yet again you prove to be our greatest ally :3
42f1a9 No.535149
I recall a Hungarian (I think it was here) mentioning that his people are known for holding grudges against other countries that wronged them, adding that "it took a hundred years to forgive Poland" or something like that, is that true? Also, thank you for posting so many pictures, not enough old photos of WW2 that focus on the other players.
55cc26 No.535151
>>535149
>forgive Poland
Poland never did anything that took long to forgive, we're best friends as two nations can be. The rest is true, we can keep grudges. During WW2 Hungarian and Romanian troops used to fire at each other despite being on the same side (the provoking party was usually the Romanian one) and had to be kept apart. Having said that, we are also capable of cooperating against larger threats if it is necessary. Note that when the Serb poster showed up, there was a little banter but we remained civil. Also, with Croatia and Austria our relations have improved pretty well.
e4717b No.535158
>>535117
>most people are even surprised when they hear 'Hungarian navy'
Could be worse:
Bolivia maintains a navy as a vestige of a time where they had access to the pacific
55cc26 No.535278
chuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachugga
55cc26 No.535280
All aboard the Rape Train. Next stop: total war and the lowest depths of human misery.
c30d85 No.535297
>>535280
>>535278
páncélvonat 2, 4, 6
Cute. From what little I've been able to dig up, it was apparently self propelled, having been built out of some French steam railcar, although I'm not sure of what type.
Do you know anything more about it?
55cc26 No.535315
>>535297
I'm researching. A book I have (I'll scan and post the relevant images tomorrow) does mention self-propelled armoured railcars, but only by a passing mention. My sources also mention that Hungary had four armoured trains in the war, they took part in the invasion of the Soviet Union only as far as the track gauge allowed and all four of them took part in the fighting around Budapest where one of them was destroyed (pic related) and the other three continued to fight possibly right up until the armistice. They were mostly used for patrolling the rail lines, but saw some very bitter fighting. I also find it remarkable how long they lasted considering how they fought from the Carpathians to Austria; armoured trains have some obvious vunerabilities. Also, said trains were made in the previous world war where they saw a good amount of fighting as well. Nevertheless, they are not around anymore. Some survived the guns and the bombs, but did not survive the welding torch.
4b259e No.539850
>>535074
In the lower right corner that pic shows a few of our seagoing vessels. You see, you can access the sea from Hungary via the Danube. So after ww1 we built a small merchant navy of ships built just for that. The Germans paid us to use them to bring supplies to Sevastopol. They were nearly immune to torpedoes, because their draft was minimal. More were built until 1965, then by the 80s they were all sold to other countries. You can find a list of them here:
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duna-tengerj%C3%A1r%C3%B3_haj%C3%B3k
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=hu&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhu.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDuna-tengerj%25C3%25A1r%25C3%25B3_haj%25C3%25B3k&edit-text=&act=url
It's interesting to think of the possible use of such ships, both in times of peace and war. Although the Danube is in a rather bad shape from what I've heard, it can't be used for shipping for whole months.
9a5325 No.540295
>>534028
I know that feel
>>535276
>>535278
>>535280
Hungarian last minute supply train ensured we won the war against Soviets in 1920
Choo choo motherfuckers
Indeed!
55cc26 No.540393
>>540295
The supply train and Pilsudski's willpower, combined with Poland's will to survive. Jozef Pilsudski was beyond based, he defeated Tukhachevsky.
Also, hello comrade. Mutual border when?
9a5325 No.540432
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2f9df7 No.540444
>>540432
The problem is that we'd have to deport all those ukies. I mean, it's not a moral dilemma, but if we were in a position to deport hundreds of thousands of people with no severe negative consequences to us, then we should dream bigger and get back Transylvania (with the Partium, of course), Felvidék, and even Újvidék and the Bánát. Also convince the Croats to let us draw their country as part of ours, and have a common navy with them.
55cc26 No.540451
>>540444
We're opening a can of worms with this topic. As much as I agree, let's not let the thread devolve into Hungarian-Romanian-Slovakian-etc. shitflinging. This is a comfy thread.
55cc26 No.540455
This picture deserves a separate post.
55cc26 No.540468
Fun Fact. Nicholas Cage served in the Royal Hungarian Military during WW2. So did Leonardo DiCabrio, who held an officer's rank in the air force.
9a5325 No.540491
>>540444
Trips demand it.
The draft assumes that with the small starting territory.
Problem is, that invading ukraine for Poland would never be fast enough for them not to murder our civilians in Leopolis and the surrounding area.
unless of course the diaspora would be sneakly supplied with weapons, ammo and supplies as a part of the charity packages for people from the borderlands.
248e94 No.542801
Drive me closer. I want to hit them with my semaphore sign.