/k/ - Weapons

>>531829

>antiflash white

Are there still weapons in use where the bomber is close enough to the blast for that to be needed?

It's going to be identified at 600km or so by an AEW asset, the maximum detection range.

The Tupolev will enter this detection range at mach 2 and close on the fleet at 700m/s.

Our F-18 will afterburner to it at 600m/s.

The job of the Tupolev is to cross 300km and dump its twelve Kickbacks that can sink an entire CBG. There is no intercepting these missiles, they're mach 5 missiles, nuclear and highly maneuverable. This is an 7.1 minutes flight to win state.

The job of the F-18 is to close range to fire their AIM-120D on the Tupolev. But it must be a no-escape zone of the missile. If the AMRAAM is on its last legs, the Tupolev can just turn around, dump countermeasures, escape. Try again and again harassing the CBG, which would be a disaster. I don't know what the no escape range is for the D variant, lets say a generous 100km which is double the AIM120C, making the F-18 trip only 200km, or 5.5 minutes flight.

Assuming the Hawkeye doesn't fuck up, the fleet has 1 minute 35 seconds to respond.

It's a tossup which will win, it depends on which side of the fleet the F-18s are at if they're flying CAP, whether we can politically respond even, if any extra jets are on the Russian side a two prong attack would fuck us so it's funny that prior to 2000 Russia had 16 of them to our 8 supercarriers…

In the end the Tu-160 is a pretty decent deterrent, it has a great range and great performance.

>>531833

It's possible the enemy might try to shoot it down with a nuke. Either way it doesn't add any weight to the airframe, it's just titanium white, so might as well do it.

>>531839

>>531839

>lets say a generous 100km which is double the AIM120C

I thought AIM-120C's no escape zone was less than 40km.

> If the AMRAAM is on its last legs, the Tupolev can just turn around, dump countermeasures, escape. Try again and again harassing the CBG, which would be a disaster.

I remember in Jane's Fighters' Anthology Tu-160 were nearly impossible to shoot down on a tail chase. They would outrun and out-endure every fighter except for the F-22 and MiG-31 and they had enough chaff to fool all your AMRAAM load.

>>531893

They actually considered turning the B-1 into an interceptor because of it.

>>531833

>Are there still weapons in use where the bomber is close enough to the blast for that to be needed?

they probably just had some cans just sitting there

>>531912

Ruskies were considering this before that. Tu-160P was the proposed interceptor/strategic escort variant.

>>531839

>It's going to be identified at 600km or so by an AEW asset, the maximum detection range.

Your first assumption is assuming there is only one AEW asset operating.

>>532066

Flag detection algorithm must've been off to the south by 1000 miles.

Will the pilots sit or Slav Squat?

>>532066

I don't understand the post. Do you think Hawkeye improves when two are flying?

>>532122

I think he implies that a carrier-based fleet and its vessels offering aegis projection is spread far and wide.Strict point defense for a carrier would be stupid.

>>532143

>600+ km scales

>less than 10 km fleet dispersal

I don't judge it to be a huge difference in the scales we're talking about.

As to number of E2, there are four, each with 6hr endurance. Most carriers would therefore only have one in the air at high alert states. Maybe the occasional aircraft will have an extra hawkeye or two for specific tasks (sending them to an operational area like afghanistan to scout) or as replacements for broken down ones.

I don't judge this to be a huge difference either.

>>532184

How many fighters are on patrol duty at an alert state?

>>532203

No idea, but even one CAP F-18 can carry four 50nm missiles and two 35nm missiles, which is more then enough for a head-on intercept of a Tu-160. A rear intercept is a bit trickier because the Tu-160 has about two thousand pounds of countermeasures and more missiles are needed to burn through it or get lucky. Also a faster jet would be nice.

I don't know how F-35 is supposed to do this job, it has two less missiles and lower speed at mach 1.6 instead of mach 1.8, giving the fleet a lower time to react. And given the example in OP >>531829 which seems to be made out of fucking composites and is sporting new engines, it's probably going to be mach 2.5 not mach 2.1. And it might be firing six P-800 instead of twelve AS-16 which would give it a 600km range so it can strike out of detection range.

Basically Tu-160 is a good investment for Russia, no matter what the cost. It's a good platform.

>>532122

No what I'm saying is that you'd be wrong to assume that there would be only one Hawkeye (or even E3 Sentry) operating and that there would only be a 600 km detection radius around the carrier task group and nothing more, and that there would only be one carrier task group operating in a 600 km radius if the state of relations with Russia was to the point they're sending Tu-160s to attack carriers.

>>532219

of course, that was ideal situation but you can clearly see how this plane will be a problem

>>531839

>It's possible the enemy might try to shoot it down with a nuke.

Get the Genies out of stockpile.

>>532462

>Lockheeb getting even more shekels

Oh fuck I hope not.

>>532462

>twin verticals MiG-23 and canard MiG-31 were among the suggestions

Most of them look retarded too, especially McDonnell's, surprised Northrop's designs ended up into something as beautiful as the YF-23.

So many errors of logic here.

1: We usually have our ships spread out much farther than what most people see on recruitment posters.

2: Even in peacetime we have aircraft on patrol constantly.

3: This implies that the horizon of our AWACS in the air is the same at sea level.

Please stop being slavaboos.

>>532580

tbh i just want congress to have yet another reason to hate the f-35

maybe this time itll work and theyll get their heads out of their asses

>>532580

>Please stop being slavaboos.

Does that "argument" hold any weight outside places that are not bombarded with (((Russophobia))) on a hourly basis?

>>532504

Is that doggo going to be ok?

>>532580

>>532602

All of those things are accounted for.

1. Even assuming spreads of dozens of miles, which isn't done for air defense coverage purposes, it has no effect at the ranges we're talking about.

2. No shit that's why there's no extra time added for launching a sortie.

3. Horizon at sea level is like 20km bro. We're talking 600+km. Horizon doesn't even enter into it, it's the resolving power of the dish on the Hawkeye we're talking about.

Please stop being a narcissist and newposting just because your jimmies got rustled.

>>532690

That's a fish you moron, dogs don't eat vegetables.

>>532690

No, he died shortly after that video was taken

>>532236

Is this shit any good?

>>532255

I can't see the loss

>>531829

>Thoughts?

The most important is the Tu-160M2 would get new… everything including engines supposedly the NK-32.02 engines have a much better dry thrust (30%) which would allow it to cruise above mach 1.

>>535776

I want to apologise for massive lack of sources.

Hyperactive \pol\ack

I feel this is what we memed.for

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/sr-72-how-the-mad-scientists-skunk-works-are-building-mach-6-22531

http://taskandpurpose.com/sr-71-blackbird-successor-demonstrator/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/news/a28420/hypersonic-sr-72-demonstrator-reportedly-spotted-at-skunk-works/

https://theaviationist.com/2017/11/16/russia-unveils-new-tu-160m2-strategic-super-bomber-update/

http://archive.is/M3ntU

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/tu160/

http://archive.is/yKQoy

Coincidence?

>>535795

All I see is one more reason going into the military when the national economy is about to collapse (thanks to the last three presidents) as a good idea, even if it means working for the faggots that helped crash it.

Vlad doesn't want to work with Trump, he thinks Trump is a punk-ass little shit. That being said, he'll take an easily exploitable little shit over a spineless passive-aggressive nigger or the alternative treasonous whore because he can at least influence the little shit. Personally I'd love to see US-Russian relations improve since Russia was one of our greatest allies prior to communism, but I'm not stupid enough to think they're actually equals. Vova is just playing smart because it's better to get along with countries like the US and keep them at arm's length instead of starting conflicts out of personal grudges.

>>535795

>being this much of a newfag

>>>/pol/11029223

Go back to cuckchan

>>535812

>>535814

>>535815

>>535816

Cry more, faggot.

>>535825

We're good. But you still need to shut the fuck up.

Fucking newfag

>>535825

Listen very.carefuly. this is only going to be said once.

Get the fuck away from this site.

Never return again

>>535826

>>535827

:^)

>Slovakia still at it over a day later

As expected of the current year /pol/ack.

>>536054

Stunning