/k/ - Weapons

>>530478

I thought Argentina just let their ships sink in dock rather than skip the middleman?

>>530478

>falklands 2.0

I wish.

I imagine it probably got into rough seas, the captain decided to dive and wait out the storm underwater. It could very well be that they hit a shallow or something else underwater. They may be able to go to 300 meters, but why put stress on the vessel when something like 20-50 meters already puts you below the waves and you won't have to deal with them anymore, right?

Well, problem is, that the noise of the waves probably caused problems with the sonar, leading to a collision or whatever. Any other technical difficulty could be the cause of the accident as well.

If these guys had any chance to get back to the surface, they would probablly still struggle with the bad weather, making navigation by stars completely imposssible. Navigation by wind and current patters would probably also not work during a storm. It could very likely be that the vessel steered off course and is now somewhere where nobody expects it to be.

Time will tell.

>prince vladimir

>reconquereor of the realm and first christian King of the Russians

I wonder who picked that name. Maybe Vladimir Putin should a word with whoever is in charge of naming naval vessels.

>norks doing anything at all

I_loled.jpg

>>530490

I lean towards the Argies fucking up themselves. Maybe they maintained it so poorly the vessels sea valves broke? See:>>530487.

Yeah. Norks doing something thats not a H bomb kinda makes me suspect. If it is a real SSB doh, wew. Then asias in for a huge geopolitical shakeup.

>>530490

> wonder who picked that name

All the Borei class are named after people like that.

Yuri Dolgorukiy ("Yuri the Long-Armed", founder of Moscow)

Alexander Nevsky (Saint Alexander Nevsky, the guy that started the trend to freeze western invaders to death)

Vladimir Monomakh (Vladimir II "He who fight alone", of byzantine imperial descent, ushered a golden age in medieval times).

Knyaz Vladimir (Saint Vladimir the Great, first prince to convert to Christianity)

Knyaz Oleg (Oleg the Prophet, Varangian pagan priest, that raided Constantinople successfully).

Generalissimus Suvorov (Alexander Suvorov, widely regarded as the only guy that could have take on Napoleon 1 VS 1 and win, raped french Italy and Alps armies. Managed to retreat despite being encircled when the french found the easy to beat him, IE crush all the others general of the second coalition and leave Suvorov for last when he will be outnumbered 10 to 1).

Imperator Aleksandr III (Emperor Aleksandr III "the peacemaker", interesting choice again. Ultra orthodox ruler, ill c/c wiki "Alexander's political ideal was a nation composed of a single nationality, language, and religion, as well as one form of administration. He attempted to realize this by the institution of mandatory teaching of the Russian language throughout the empire, including to his German, Polish, and other non-Russian subjects (with the exception of the Finns), by the patronization of Eastern Orthodoxy, by the destruction of the remnants of German, Polish, and Swedish institutions in the respective provinces, and by the weakening of Judaism through persecution of the Jews."… Again of all the Emperors to chose that has a certain theme).

Knyaz Pozharskiy (Dmitry Pozharsky, Saviour of the Motherland. Kicked the poles out of Moscow when they had almost succeeded in making Russia part of the polish Lithuanian-commonweatlh by making elected the future king of Poland Tsar)

Fun fact one 955A with 20 tubes x10 warheads carries 200 total warheads. The three 955 are less automated and only boast 16 tubes x 10 warheads each, for a total of 160.

All four Borei subs have 680 nukes, and all their ballistic subs have 2064 nukes, compared to 1105 nukes for every country other than the top two combined.

Their intent is clearly to fuck up everybody.

>>530490

Norks best bet would be to just stick one of their bombs in a mini submarine, tow it to Japan or Hawaii under some commercial ship, sail it into a harbor full of USN carriers and detonate.

>>530533

Or just keep the bomb on a commercial ship, wait for the next US vessel to ram it, and THEN detonate.

>>530545

>>530542

REKT

EKTR

KTRE

TREK

>>530552

For a second I thought that American was a leaf. Disappointing, I am.

I can't wait for the second Korean war to finally take place.

I want myself one of these Nork uniforms on Varusteleka.

>>530589

>Bukkeukseong

>all the agitation around NK is because of it

More like bukkake song, amirite?

>>530589

Bulava carries 6 warheads and 40 penetration aids because of treaties. Considering Bush and Obama cancelled most nuclear treaties with Russia, why would Russia hold up its end of the deal?

The 40 penetration aids can be replaced with 4 warheads.

>>530607

>Bulava carries 6 warheads and 40 penetration aids because of treaties.

No it doesn't. SS-N-23 and SS-N-23A Skiff variants can all carry 10 warheads, the SS-N-23B Skiff (that's the 12,000 km range ones…) can carry 12 warheads. And those are the legacy missiles they use only on the Delta IV subs.

>>530607

>The 40 penetration aids can be replaced with 4 warheads.

No it can't, if it's loaded with 6 warheads it has only 10 decoys which is the bare minimum and an unlikely configuration to begin with.

Bulavas are a smaller missile using a different propulsion tech, with less range and payload than the older ones (but much better tech, allowing it to have a near-ballistic trajectory making very fast and very hard to intercept).

>>530612

Where are you getting your info from?

I'm getting it from The Diplomat who get it from Russian govenment, Itar TASS which are a government owned news agency, and globalsecurity which is one of the best independent analysts out there (aside from janes).

>>530542

Are you retarded? Nooks have actually a surprisingly large Merchant navy most of which is unaccounted for. Mainly cause they act as a proxy for Russia or China.

>>530672

Isn't that like the worst color scheme for NK's land? I don't think they have a whole lot of tropical jungles to blend in with that camo.

>>530681

Maybe it's supposed to blend into that neon green apartment in the background.

>>530672

Women drivers

Emergency signal picked up by sattelites.

Apparently they managed to send an emergency signal via satellite phone, but were unable to establish connnection.

How badly could a lightning strike fuck up a sub's comms and nav systems? Fried antennas sure, but navigation should still be possible on at least a rudimentary level.

Smells fishy to me.

http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/argentinien-signal-von-verschollenem-u-boot-empfangen.1939.de.html?drn:news_id=817277

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/19/bad-weather-hinders-search-missing-argentine-submarine/

http://archive.is/UA2VY

>>530721

*divers

>>530767

If somehow everything is connected to each other and not properly seperated, one lightning strike could destroy all electricals inside.

>>530842

>if somehow everything is connected

What are metal hulls?

>>530842

Charge stays on the outside, like how a faraday cage works.

Satellite signal lead to nothing.

Sub is still missing. Bad weather makes search even more difficult.

How long until a US vessel rams the remains of the submarine?

http://archive.is/WVOJV

>>531445

I was just reading an article by Natasha (((((Niebieskikwiat))))), apparently Russia wants to lends some help up with the search too.

>>531473

Because the Russians know it was British who sank your vessel, and want to help prove it.

>>530625

I honestly don't remember. I have forgotten more about weapon systems than guys writing defense publication know.

I think it's because people writing this shit assume they can put GPShM warheads designed for SS-N-23A Skiff on it but they can't because they're meant to use the newer KMIT variable yield warheads that are meant to be common common to all the new generation nukes, which are bigger.

One guy makes a wrong assumption without bothering to check anything, a thousand c/c this shit like it's gospel.

Same way everyone's writing that the 955A has 20 tubes… when it has 16 like the 955.

The A version has quite a different tail and clearly a different sonar integration. But it has 8 launchers on each side just like the others at the same position.

Vid related is the sub in dry dock while on it launching ceremony, there are several frames in it showing the missiles bays and there is only 8, even the Russian commentary says so.

Who the fuck has written 10? Nobody knows, yet everyone c/c religiously like a fucking pack of lemmings.

>>531809

It's possible they have 20 missiles but only 16 launchers, by having reloads somehow. Way too many sources say otherwise, some of the sources with government ties. Project 955A is based on research on project 955U Nikolai, which has 20 launchers and 20 missiles. It's possible 955A tucks the extra missiles away somewhere so it can use the same base hull as 955.

Either way, it doesn't really change the calculation here >>530533 a lot, since it's only 40 extra warheads. Ergo recalculated:

>All four Borei subs have 640 nukes, and all their ballistic subs have 2024 nukes, compared to 1105 nukes for every country other than the top two combined.

Anymore news on the missing submarine?

>>531823

Families of the crew have been informed that the crew is dead. The sub itself hasn't been found yet.

It's over.

>>531813

>by having reloads somehow.

RELOADS? Are you fucking kidding me? Do you have the first clue on how a submarine is fucking built? Where the fuck do they put the machinery needed to move the 4x 37tons of extra missiles into their VLS??? And where the fuck do they stock the fucking 4x 12 meters long, 2 meter wide extra missiles? All that without touching the general size of the sub?

They tow them in a cart?

>Project 955A is based on research on project 955U Nikolai

First "project 955U Nikolai" in Russian source came from a single general public press release of RIAN in 2010… which got everything wrong even the names of the sub (because that's not how Russian navy designation works. Now I'm pretty sure the Russian Navy knows how their own designation system works) so that's nearly a pure English invention made from a 7+ year old Russian generalist press release (and forgetting probably hundreds of press release made about those ship since).

https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20100303/211922397.html

No mention of big modification, length more missiles nothing… The only relevant information is that the Russian navy doesn't intend to only have 3 boomers (duh)…

>>531813

>Way too many sources say otherwise, some of the sources with government ties.

If you're assuming people working for the government are competent you mustn't have encountered many of them.

And if you're talking presstitute quoting "government sources" let me tell you how this work.

Some specialized office or inquiry commission or private firm publish (publicly) a report for whatever subcommittee (or without anyone asking them, it's their job) about something.

If the guy that does is honest he's gonna put a lot of if and maybe in (because no, the US Government doesn't know what the fuck the Russian submarines will look like before they're built. And if they do they aren't sharing!).

That report is basically shitposting on military forums but you get shekels for it and only normies are gonna read it (so you can pretend you know shit without being called an asshat by people with more knowledge of that particular topic).

Now a presstitute job is to sell paper, so they take that shitpost (that was full of maybes and ifs) and make it affirmative because it sells.

And since it's from something vaguely official, it's a "government source".

See RIAN above is partially owned by the Russian government. That's a government source.

Here is the insider government source telling you that the Borei only have 16 missiles and not 20 as "Russian and foreign medias have widely reported" ("reported" here means "pulled out of their ass as usual").

https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130220/923813018.html

February 2013…

The beauty of this is that even if i give you the images you need to asses that indeed the fucking thing only has 16 missile you rather listen and believe.

I want off the fucking ride.

>>531840

Rotary three shot loaders for the last set of launchers would work. Don't act like it's impossible.

You're pretty pissed over something that doesn't even affect the final calculation.

>>531834

Negative. Navy told the families that they were informed by the CTBTO that there was a sound similar to an explosion near the last known position of the sub when it went missing. Nobody so far has used the word dead yet.

Oxygen aboard the shit has definetly run out though, unless they were able to surface (which is unlikely).

http://archive.is/8pKxs

They are likely ded, but the search for the wreck stil continues.

Rest in salt water, you argentine semen.

>>531846

>Rotary three shot loaders for the last set of launchers would work.

No it wouldn't. Do you realize how big nuclear missiles are?

>Don't act like it's impossible.

It is impossible and you're a fucking leaf stop hiding your flag.

>You're pretty pissed over something that doesn't even affect the final calculation.

>All four Borei subs have 640 nukes

16 x 4 x 6 = 384.

And again 6 warheads for a Bulava is the exception not the norm, regular MIRV load would be something 3 variable yield 150kt/300kt warheads and 30 decoys.

You can't even do basic math.

>>531473

>Natasha (((((Niebieskikwiat)))))

okay so did you translate that randomly into polish as some kind of joke? it means blue flower but its rather unseen form for surnames.

>>530478

Maybe now that the Norks are producing 611s, we'll have enough spare parts for MTS-626 and 635 that they'll stay working long enough for me to finish my quals and get the fuck outta here.

RIP in Peace.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Argentina-Denies-Declaring-Missing-Submarine-Crew-Dead-20171123-0028.html

http://archive.is/9k3jq

All men aboard the vessel have been officially declared dead, families have been informed. They are now looking for the sub in order to recover the bodies and figure out what happened.