76a9f4 No.526025
I'm triggered by this round and the people on youtube that shill it
>gigantic grip size in double stack pistols, a pain in the ass to control, can not effectively shoot the gun one-handed
>same old low capacity in 1911's
>very beefy, heavy guns to absorb the 10mm energy, absolutely cannot conceal carry, feels like you're dragging a weight around OTB
>"conceal carry" 10mm like the glock 29 feels like it's about to flip out of your hands when shooting because of the recoil and the stumpy ass three-finger grip
>huge recoil, huge blast, huge noise, huge muzzle flip, follow-up shots make the .45 look agile
>ammo is scarcer than .357 sig
>the ammo that is relatively cheap @ 35-38 cents per round is FBI-load-tier. Real 10mm is expensive as fugg, you pretty much have to load this.
>absolutely incompatible with SHTF scenario
>basically it's a muh dick round
>the shills never question why it failed the FBI besides saying that even though all those students failed with the 10mm, they themselves are most certainly Rambo and will easily shoot the 10mm like Josey Wales slings pistols
>then they fucking make a video with a massive glock 40, and prop up on a rest the whole time and poke holes at paper 25 yards away and are like "FUCK YEAH, BITCH, YOU HAVE A SMALL DICK LOL. THIS IS A MAN'S GUN."
Military arms channel guy basically did "muh dick" on the 10mm and did the obligatory shitting on the .40 because it's not long enough lol. He then said, laughably, that the FBI would have made better sense going with the .45acp, which is just wrong. The .45 acp has shit penetration, and militaryarmschannel guy said it is precisely the lack of penetration in the type of 9mm bullet the FBI was using that fucked their shit up. So he's completely inconsistent and looks retarded. James Yeager is another guy that is all wrong on the 10mm and is shilling it recently. He started out shitting on the 10mm and all high pressure rounds as he was triggered by the .40, which is a common thing among 9mm guys, they have a massive inferiority complex towards .40 so they shit their pants whenever they hear one. He said .45 acp guys were stupid because they think their dicks are big because they use a big round, and then he criticized .40 guys for having small dicks (he actually said all this) and now he's shilling 10mm because it makes your dick big when you use it, no shit. So he can't figure out of a gun makes your dick big but is most certainly sure that this is sometimes bad or good, depending on how triggered he is.
I am at the point where I think all these youtube gun guys are pretty fucking stupid, their main use being showcasing guns and rallying the troops to defeat kike legislation, but when it comes to actual guns they are like 8th graders, just saying whatever makes them excited at the moment and looking truly stupid. And they all suck Jeff Cooper's dick, who was really just a glorified Fudd.
b72233 No.526036
You know I get tired of 10mm fanboys too, but almost everything you just said is retarded.
86da8f No.526037
>>526025
I've never personally fired a 10mm. For a while I was gun-go to build an AR-15 carbine for it. I still would like to … it's almost round enough for that to make sense.
But at look chamber and muzzle pressure numbers, and compare them with rifle rounds. the 'ten is definitely a pistol round.
But as much as I'd never buy a .40 because it was nothing but a compromise round, I don't know if I'd keep a 10mm fed & happy. You sound like you have personal experience? If you lived around here I'd meet you at the range some time, test your gun with a box of ammo. Maybe some day I'll make it to the fancy range that rents guns, and I'll try to fire one there.
86da8f No.526038
>>526037
> I was gun-go
I think I was trying to say "gung - ho"
because it would require a lot more momentary retardation to have been trying to say, it was going to be my go-to gun, go-to gun build I wanted next, or anything about going-to.
76a9f4 No.526043
>>526037
>compromise round
this is a common thing people say.40 is a compromise, that's true…..between a truly overpowered round (10mm) and an old as fugg round (9mm).
All FBI needed was a beefed up 9mm so they could get the 9mm out of the year 1902. That is effectively what the .40 is. They could have just collaborated with manufacturers to make the normal 9mm pressure obsolete and make the +p or +p+ standard, but that would have interfered with marketing kikery because everyone loves to charge you extra shekels if a box has the magical (+p) on it.
I live in Louisiana, it's a nigger and fudd infested shithole, there's like two ranges in the state. Fudd's look at you sideways if you show up anywhere with an AK-47. I went with my G3 recently, and one guy looked like he died and went to heaven when he saw the muzzle blast. My uncle is a 10mm shill and has all the glock versions, my family goes shooting often. He loads that thing to the original 200 grain, 1200 fps specs. I don't reload (yet), so I couldn't tell you what exactly he is using.
966618 No.526045
>pistol caliber autism
lol, didn't read. If you're out to kill, carry a rifle. Pistol is a pistol, regardless what flavor of impotence it is.
73aa61 No.526047
I suppose when you grow up masturbating a penis the size of a 9mm makarov grip, you would find such standard equipment as my quad stack 10mm casket mags to be quite daunting.
86da8f No.526048
>>526047
>muh dick
Isn't that what OP said? You're conflating your pistol with the other gun in your pocket. In truth, these are very different guns, and should be handled differently.
966618 No.526049
>>526047
>you grow up masturbating a penis the size of a 9mm makarov grip
73aa61 No.526050
>>526037
A useful website
http://www.csgnetwork.com/kineticenergycalc.html
Look up 5.56mm velocities out of 10 inch barrels 797m/s. Multiply by the square of the bullet weight in kilograms 0.00355, and divide by two, to get the kinetic energy 840J.
Now look up the 10mm velocities out of 10 inch barrels 568m/s. Multiply by the square of the bullet weight in kilograms 0.009kg, and divide by two, to get the kinetic energy 1452J.
You may find a startling result.
120897 No.526053
>pistol cartridge autism
I thought it has been well established that actual performance of all standard pistol cartridges is identical within measurement error range? Because they were specifically designed that way?
There's exactly three things a pistol cartridge needs to do: be small, have low recoil, and pass the standard performance test. That said, the best cartridge is the smallest standard cartridge, simply because there would be more rounds in the mag and you'll be able to put them out quicker and with greater accuracy.
86da8f No.526054
>>526050
>comparing the poodle shooter to a rifle
I did say I wanted to make a carbine for it, right? Although it's more likely I'll make a 45 Raptor (loaded as per the .460S&W)
73aa61 No.526062
>>526053
About 1kJ to 1.5kJ* of kinetic energy deposited has the ability to stretch epithelial tissue to point of breaking.
* Exactly 1265J for laser scalpels.
But this has to be DEPOSITED energy, meaning the bullet has to have lost that amount of energy when it leaves the body. For example a 7.62mm, at:
- muzzle - 10 g - 833 m/s - 3.4 kJ
- entry - 10 g - 635 m/s - 2 kJ
- exit - 10 g - 255 m/s - 325 J
Deposited energy 2kJ entry energy take away 325 J exit energy, equals 1.7 kJ in situ.
Meaning tearing of tissue was likely.
This is what separates handguns from long rifles, lower energies than 1 kJ is just likely to leave a permanent cavity about as wide as the bullet, higher energies than 1.5 kJ are almost certain to leave their own permanent cavity PLUS additional tissue damage surrounding the wound which has to be removed or gangrene will set in.
73aa61 No.526064
Oh by the way stopping power refers to temporary shock caused by incompressible fluid displacement. Its an old theory out of fashion because its so rare in reality.
120897 No.526066
>>526064
In reality people tend to either collapse instantly from getting hit once with any round, or shrug off bullet hits until their appendages and/or spinal cord is physically destroyed.
86da8f No.526067
>>526066
People mostly die from shock, not blood loss. As opposed to when you're bowhunting – deer (or whatever you're hunting) die from bloodloss, so you have to cut a major artery to drop your target. With a gun, you just have a huge hunk of lead smack the ever living daylights out of them, after which all that's left is dead nightlights … or something.
b4f3b4 No.526070
>not using .600 nitro express
c0dee8 No.526072
>>526066
>In reality people tend to either collapse instantly from getting hit once with any round
Bullshit.
The only pistol that is guarantee to put anyone down in one hit is a hollow point .357 magnum (and bigger) out of a 6in barrel.
Not a .45, not a 10mm, not a .40S&W, not a .357 SIG and certainly not out of a 3 1/2in barrel.
aa1574 No.526075
>>526072
>guarantee to put anyone down in one hit
966618 No.526078
>>526072
>out walking the streets
>suddenly ambushed by jamal
>pull out .357 and fire 6 shots into him
>"holl up honkey, lemme measure that barrel"
77b964 No.526079
>you will never be this much of a glass wristed fedcuck
lmao
b72233 No.526082
>>526072
The only thing that guarantees a one shot stop is a direct destructive hit to the central nervous system. There's no wonder caliber, regardless of what half coherent document from a hoodrat ER worker you read and thought you understood.
73aa61 No.526083
>>526072
Any bullet through the philtral columns causes instant death and instant relaxation of all muscles in the body.
Nothing else is instant, even a shot to the heart.
2c6d9e No.526084
>>526067
No it's still mainly blood loss, it's just that if a vital area is hit you get critical hemorrhagic shock almost immediately. What happens is the shock from getting hit causes the person/animal to collapse by momentarily disrupting the CNS, but they're still alive (although incapacitated), they then actually die 2 to 3 seconds later due to blood loss. So it looks like the person died instantly but not quite.
871cc7 No.526087
>>526025
All pistol rounds are shit, the only thing that makes them less shit is how big the hole they leave.
Also
>complaining about .45 making the grip big
Manlet detected
138037 No.526088
>it's another MUH PISTOL AMMO thread
>this time it's 10mm getting shit on instead of anything else
>cue autistic rage
kek
10millimemeterfags BTFO.
76a9f4 No.526092
>>526087
>muh dik
>>526072
the 9mm, folks. It really does need the extra juice of higher pressure.
120897 No.526120
>>526092
It could as well have been .500 S&W or .22 LR to the same effect. Bigger faster boolits don't drop people quicker, they just make the gun kick harder.
76a9f4 No.526122
>>526120
>500 s&w and .22 FuddLR are the same
you didn't actually mean that, did you?
120897 No.526125
>>526122
They're the same as far as ability to instantly drop people goes - they're both NIL.
129806 No.526129
I wonder, would adding a bit of tear gas to a regular pistol bullet help? It doesn't kill instantly anyway, but at least the opponent would be in no shape to fight after a few hits.
129806 No.526137
>>526072
Then how about 10mm auto or 357. SIG out of a 15cm barrel?
73aa61 No.526160
>>526137
It's why true SMGs will always be better than SBRs.
02399d No.526163
>>526053
>Because they were specifically designed that way?
The huge majority of cartridges be it pistol or rifle have been invented to make a specific gun design work and only later have been tinkered with to do other stuff.
76a9f4 No.526171
>>526125
I'd have to see that to believe it
cc40cd No.526179
>>526025
Militaries use 9mm for a reason, it is the pistol round of the current year.
e718b1 No.526220
>>526025
>He said .45 acp guys were stupid because they think their dicks are big because they use a big round
That's YouTube anon.
Each round has its own application, some bleed over into others and some don't.
6ecb79 No.526223
>>526025
Have you guys ever wondered what it would feel like to have those things inside you haha
I think they would really hurt haha
I wonder if girls masturbate with these things haha
Sorry
e718b1 No.526224
>>526223
Girls probably get moist at the thought of black tip 50BMG rounds…
120897 No.526249
>>526171
>there are tons of practial evidence that cartridge type doens't do shit in terms of putting people down instantly (although can increase death rate and healing time)
<welp I guess I'll just ignore all of that because this big boolit will surely put at least 150 hitpoints damage, and this small boolit does like what, 5 HP damage? lel
f64444 No.526254
>>526224
at least im not the only one
a04caa No.526256
>>526249
I think hes referring to the .22 which coes have penetration problem when it comes to punching through things like bone
85c692 No.526259
>>526249
Goddamnit toothpaste, you were already schooled in the other thread.
9x19 is dogshit for hunting with. 10mm isn't.
10mm sits on par with 41 magnum, which is a fine caliber for fucking up hog with.
Pretending as if caliber doesn't matter because it's not a rifle round is a ridiculous absurdity, akin to telling people 44 magnum isn't a good round.
6fe0ec No.526274
>>526259
My box of 9mm states its perfectly good for hog and whitetail and I have dropped a whitetail with it.
f0152f No.526275
>>526078
>Naw nigga, dat barrel be 4 inches not 6 inches nigga
>I ain't getting instantly put down with dat, shieet
73aa61 No.526292
>>526249
Russia it needs to at least be capable of penetrating ribcage for it to be useful.
.22lr out of a 2 inch barrel is 300m/s for a grand total of 85 joules of energy out of the barrel, which drops like a son of a bitch at range, to the point where it can't even penetrate DENIM.
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73aa61 No.526322
>>526310
7.62 should be straightwall, like the .25ACP, even if it reduces velocity by a bit. It should also be slightly spitzer, and have common doublestack magazines
These are the only drawbacks to that otherwise excellent cartridge.
b72233 No.526324
>>526322
>The fact that it's not an entirely different cartridge is the only drawback to the cartridge
915911 No.526325
>>526322
Speaking of mags, there are double stack 9mm clippazines that can feed .40 S&W just fine. I take they could work with .357 SIG too, if you design the feed ramp for that barrel. Now, 9mm Parabellum is a shortened and necked up 7.65 Borchardt, and .40 S&W is a shortened 10mm Auto. 10mm Auto is shorter than 7.65 Borchardt. So, could you make a magazine that feeds 9mm Parabellum, 7.62 Tokarev, 10mm Auto, .40 S&W and .357 SIG, but without any modification whatsoever? Of course the pistol would need different feed ramps for different cartridges, but that's not the importat part here.
>>526324
>slightly spitzer
It's up to the ammo manufacturers to make spitzer bullets for the case.
>common doublestack magazines
It's not unrealistic if the demand is high enough to have such magazines out in the market.
>straightwall
The only unrealistic thing here.
73aa61 No.526331
>>526324
The only drawback to the .25ACP is that it doesn't use the full size of the human grip and limits itself to a 15.6mm long case and overall length of 23mm. Overall length could be increased to 40mm with case length increased to 32.5mm with no problem. Dimension of bullet is 7.4mm (out) + 4.6mm (in) giving 350mm3 powder volume. Mod increases volume to 885mm3, a 2.5x increase. Also increasing barrel length from 2 to 7 because it's no longer a mousegun cartridge. All these changes would improve energy to 940J. That's more than even the 7.62x25.
Also spitzer bullet and steel case for +P+ loads would probably push it over 1000J energy, and a doublestack mag could have 26 rounds in a standard size grip.
Aside from these extremely minor, laughably easy to fix, flaws - the .25ACP is a perfect cartridge.
4d7566 No.526338
>>526331
Well, except for the fact that it's virtually completely banned in your cuckold's paradise of a country.
155e54 No.526342
>>526129
>I wonder, would adding a bit of HIGH EXPLOSIVE to a regular pistol bullet help? It doesn't kill instantly anyway, but at least the opponet's shape would change after a few hits.
f64444 No.526358
>>526342
HE rounds should unironically be standard self defense rounds
29bbdd No.526385
>>526129
>I wonder, would adding a bit of tear gas to a regular pistol bullet help?
Not at all. You need a big grenade filled with tear gas to have any appreciable affect on a target. The French used 26mm tear gas grenades against the Germans in 1914 and even they weren't big enough to do shit.
29bbdd No.526386
>>526358
Nice id quads, but check my double d's and b's.
ae44e7 No.526391
Here is a solution: pistol loaded in buckshot. Thoughts?
b72233 No.526394
>>526391
.410 called, it wants it's low performance idea back.
c98aba No.526396
>>526083
fetal maple syrup detected
does anyone know if making mental lines between opposite eye-ear and aim where they cross works for humans? It's what I was taught for putting down animals from any angle
>>526386
you're a 2a traitor, H
6fe0ec No.526423
>>526391
Its called .25acp. People seriously use your standard buckshot for plinkloads and I don't even understand why.
73aa61 No.526425
>>526338
The only drawback to the .223 is that it isn't hollowed out, and made into a ramjet with a core of fuel.
Otterwize it's an excellente cartridge.
73aa61 No.526426
>>526396
Are you retarded. Holy shit. I can't believe someone would be this fucking dumb! You just took my breath away.
c98aba No.526428
>>526426
You're kind of cute when you're like this.
895520 No.526441
>double stack 7.62x25
I will buy this chink Sig clone after new year for CC.
73aa61 No.526483
>>526428
You aren't supposed to hit the very tip of the first molecules of skin on the face, that's the window to shoot through if someone is facing you so you can hit their cerebellum. Gass yourselsslsl
ddb134 No.526514
>>526025
I had always heard about the "omfg recoil" of the 10mm but when I actually shot it out of a steel framed 10mm EAA Witness I didn't think it was uncontrollable at all and I have girl hands. Would I want to shoot it out of some compact polymer blow-back handgun? No, but out of a full size CZ75 clone it's a pretty comfy round to shoot. I can't confirm any permanent changes to penis size but at the time I did have an erection.
My go-to round for home defense is still Hornady 9mm +P XTP JHP 124 grain 1200 fps though.
ddb134 No.526515
>>526391
.410 buckshot gives you options of 3 #000 pellets, 5 #00 pellets, or 9 #4 pellets
You're better off with one bullet.
c98aba No.526524
>>526483
But that's not useful, if you want to shoot someone in the face you have get them to look squarely at you. What if they're shy? Even 2-dimensional thinking isn't this simple.
73aa61 No.526526
>>526524
Nigger are you so ugly that people don't face you even when they're trying to rob you?
b72233 No.526528
>>526515
It would be cool to play with a true handgun shot round. Maybe form a case with a reverse bottleneck, kind of like the old Burnside rounds but without the backwards taper. The biggest problem is you really need a smoothbore to take advantage of shot and that's a big no no in the US for a handgun unless you want to fuck around with a tax stamp.
Duplex loadings might be fun to fuck around with too.
1f0112 No.526529
>>526025
>>the ammo that is relatively cheap @ 35-38 cents per round is FBI-load-tier. Real 10mm is expensive as fugg, you pretty much have to load this.
This is literally the only thing you are correct about. Everything else is entirely due to the fact that you have small hands, a glass wrist, no recoil control, weak grip strength, are probably Kuntzman judging by how you bitch about noise, recoil, and blast, and seem to have a problem with masculinity.
c98aba No.526530
>>526526
The only people who rob me work for the government.
What if a pavement ape is fleeing the scene of a crime, gets hit by a vehicle, and you decide to put him down? If he is lying at an angle, on his side, or facing down, how do you know where to aim?
What if a merchant, hunched over and rubbing his hands, comes up to you and demands something? With his stance and lack of height, his philtrum would be blocked by his nose, and even if you have a mental picture of where it is, a round there would go out through his recessed chin and into his sunken chest. That's not instantaneous.
2faf0c No.526549
>>526528
>that's a big no no
Can't you have a "rifled" barrel with only one shallow groove at a 1:100 twist rate? You only need to follow the letter of the law, not the spirit. At least, until the ATF decides to change their mind and fuck you, but that was going to happen anyway.
76a9f4 No.526562
>>526529
>seem to have a problem with masculinity
MUH DIKK
>you have small hands and just can't shoot XXDD
like I said, theres a cabal of retards who think that all those people who failed the FBI tests are just untermenschen and *you* are literally Clint Eastwood, pulling off all kinds of impossible shots with Cold Steel edgy one-liners about how big your dick is after the fact.
The dudes with the masculinity problems are the ones that have to dramatically overcompensate. :^)
a2f4e4 No.526568
>>526562
If you can't handle 357 mag equivalent recoil, you are a huge pussy.
76a9f4 No.526571
>>526568
never said I couldn't, read the thread, dumbass
76a9f4 No.526572
>>526568
I guess i should spell it out since you'll be assmad and distort what I meant
if you think 10mm in a glock is equivalent to .357 in a revolver, then you haven't shot either of those rounds in either of those guns, and you don't know what you're talking about.
a2f4e4 No.526580
>>526572
>I don't know what I am talking about
See pic and consider suicide.
170 gr keith loads are actually roughly equivalent to 10mm auto 180gr/1300 fps.
ddb134 No.526591
>>526572
Having shot both 10mm from a CZ75 clone and .357 from a revolver I can say the 10mm was much, MUCH more comfortable. Part of that is obviously from the action of the CZ75 reducing the felt recoil whereas in the revolver the snappy .357 round was very jarring.
I'm sure a Glock would be less comfortable than a 1911 or a CZ75 but if you're shooting 10mm you may as well get a nice gun to shoot it from.
0d3e77 No.526612
>>526591
What about semi .357 like Coonan?
86da8f No.526656
It makes a nice carbine.
http://archive.is/uqjS9
Moriarty arms has one. Of course, I think it's strictly blowback, like the 9mm carbines. Not many convert it for DI, but it's been done and works fine.
76a9f4 No.526719
>>526591
>le CZ meme
the semi-auto has more recoil from the slide slamming back in combination with the force of the round. .357 in a large revolver is more controllable than even .40 in a semi auto.
138037 No.526786
>>526562
>this absolute level of faggotry
Do you wear dresses when covering up investigations, FBI?
76a9f4 No.526954
>>526786
>muh fbi
do you actually believe the shit you say, retard?
f6e44e No.526958
>>526612
>Semi auto .357
Mein negro
>>526954
Enjoy your glass wrists, you pozzed niggerdick repository.
42b052 No.527007
>>526958
>Loses the argument
>Muh poz
Butt shaped cock warmer
b72233 No.527033
>>526612
>>526958
I'd love to play around with one of the .357 1911's. It's an interesting gun, and the fact it was birthed out of a three martini lunch where an industry colleague told Coonan he couldn't make a 1911 in .357 Magnum and Coonan told him 'Watch me' just makes it cooler.
6eefae No.527145
>>527033
Why a pivoting trigger on a 1911?
1d361c No.527247
>>527033
Those are some pretty pine cones.
>>526386
I'm mirin' them double d's tbh
>>526025
Honestly, it's the weekend, and if it doesn't travel over 1km a second then you can shove it.
71b31c No.537470
>>527247
A .45 has 2x the weight of a 9mm. It can crush thru more tissue.
1906d4 No.537505
c6f399 No.537520
>>526025
>gigantic grip size in double stack pistols
lol manlet
42d5ea No.537528
af9870 No.537529
>>526050
>square of the bullet weight
It's 1127 and 1452 Joules
628dfe No.537533
>>537470
Why the fuck did you bump this months old shit thread?
6ea88c No.537537
>>537533
>whining about necrobumping
holy shit fuck off to arfcom or whatever faggoty fuck fudd forum that you came from
68e7b9 No.537539
628dfe No.537540
>>537537
This faggot just saved a pistol caliber wars thread from deletion because he wanted to post some one line comment. It's not about "necrobumping," it's about polluting the catalog with the worst /k/ content.
6ea88c No.537541
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>>537533
cant believe i didnt check these dubs.
6ea88c No.537542
allow me to resond in a way that you would understand
>>537540
>This faggot just saved a pistol caliber wars thread from deletion because he wanted to post some one line comment. It's not about "necrobumping," it's about polluting the catalog with the worst /k/ content.
lissen hear, snowflake, i have a higher post count AND ive been here longer than you. if you dont apologize RIGHT NOW, ill have the a mod (whose also my huntin' rp buddy) ban your account
53f1c9 No.537559
I love all the people who complain about limited capacity with 45acp and then buy
a Shield.
be539f No.537568
>>526259
>10mm sits on par with 41 magnum,
only if you're talking about weak lightweight corbon shit.
42d5ea No.537585
>>537539
/intl/ shill confirmed
75d680 No.537658
>>526025
>gigantic grip size in double stack pistols
>having babbie hands
42d5ea No.537697
ff2993 No.537846
6ca113 No.537905
>>537568
Yeah when we get full loaded 10mm it blows even .454 casull out of the water
f54fa2 No.537909
>>526025
>"waaaaah, it hurty my hands"
>absolutely incompatible with SHTF scenario
Errr, you do realise that you can shoot .40s through a 10mm, right? .357 sig too
42d5ea No.537916
>>537905
not even close, the difference between real 10 and .40 is about the difference between 9mm and .40. A big difference, but we're still a long way off from the revolver rounds.
>>537909
it doesn't hurt my hands, imbecile.
What I find funny is how the 9mm shills love 10mm even though 10mm is everything they hate about the .40 but even worse "muh capacity, muh recoil, muh bullet cost."
It doesn't hurt, it just has a lot of muzzle flip and the grips are uncomfortably fat, very difficult to get your hands around, even for big guys for you.