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There's no discharge in the war!

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50e750 No.525519

Is "drone operator" a "combat role"?

2300c2 No.525539

Well you aren't really in combat, you're in a truck 1000m away or a whole continent away for flying drones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHlGww6lyew&feature=youtu.be&t=1m55s

And that's a neat drone, it looks like a mobile artillery variant, which makes sense for guarding ships. Most UGVs they have guard something, the Taifun is a guard dog to watch their nuclear TELs and anti air TELARs.

No soldier wants to pull guard duty in minus 40C weather, I just with our own government gave a fuck about frostbite.


5f2c3c No.525541

Doesn't matter. All non-11 series are pogs.


50e750 No.525560

>>525539

>>525541

But drone operators have to do a lot of things traditional infantry has to. Take orders, make split second decisions, kill people, who sometimes turn out to be civilians, etc.


2300c2 No.525564

>>525560

Frontline personnel are trained for certain physical tasks, such as physical endurance under march, ability to carry a 200lb wounded buddy back to a foxhole, that kind of stuff. Even pilots have g-loading and other health requirements. Seamen need physical strength and rigorous training for damage control on ships.

NONE of these demands are placed on UGV operators.

They can literally be 300lb fat neckbeards or 100lb dumb bimbo strippers and still do the job, as long as they can walk from trailer to trailer and push a button.


75e9de No.525571

>>525519

Depends how to define "combat role". If the drone is directly involved in combat, perhaps, but the operator is not within harms way, so maybe not.


507618 No.525576

>>525564

>They can literally be 300lb fat neckbeards … as long as they can walk from trailer to trailer and push a button.

Where the fuck do I sign?


618cae No.525592

If spacial proximity to combat is the deciding factor, there's a lot of people who should be in consideration for a "combat role," even if they don't fight. I think a better metric is whether or not they're actively seeking to kill, and drone operators most certainly do that.


2e3181 No.525600

>>525519

Depends.

Chairforce drones can be operated from an airbase a continent away via satellite… but most drones are small tactical UAVs operated by army/marines.

Operators of shit like RQ-12A Wasp or RQ-11 Raven (even bigger RQ-7 Shadow or RQ-27 ScanEagle) are a recon specialty (infantry recon for the first two, artillery recon for the two others) they still need to be in the vicinity of the fighting, typically being very careful not to get spotted by enemy recon/SF (which main job is to find guys like that) and get blown up by enemy air/arty/whatever (of course when all you fight is the poorest goat herders on the fucking planet it never happens, but still…) so they in a combat role that will receive a solid infantry training then a recon training then a specialist training in drone operation.

Also this >>525541

There are lot of combat roles, but everything not infantry are POGs.


2d7155 No.525625

>>525564

>They can literally be 300lb fat neckbeards or 100lb dumb bimbo strippers and still do the job, as long as they can walk from trailer to trailer and push a button.

Maybe if you want to have shit tier drone operators.


2300c2 No.525630

>>525625

Have you seen some of these cunts?

They look like a cross between that kid that gets off on torturing small animals and the guy that gets into girls washrooms so he can smell the bloody tampon. What I'm trying to say is they have a humanity deficiency, the common sense of a seagull, and their IQ doesn't add up to their respective ages.

A 300lb neckbeard or a dumbass stripper would be an improvement.


e6d073 No.525636

>>525576

not surprised that filthy dumb limey scum is a fattie fatwad shitheap of a human being. do your body a favor and end it before you die from heart disease.


2d7155 No.525664

>>525630

>Have you seen some of these cunts?

Have you, leaf?


be8883 No.525785

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the same way a train driver is, this one guy managed to kill 3 soldiers and crippled 8 a couple days ago


6f88f3 No.526383

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>>525785

Recently have been taking the train a lot. I can't stop myself from thinking how to protect a train route from potential ambushes. Obviously fences A GREAT WALL would be required to keep anyone away from the tracks, but what then? Ladders exist, and some fuckheads walking up to your traintracks, dumping some thermite on them, and just walking away will probably be enough to, if not derail, cause serious problems and delays in your logistics. So you either have to go at slow speeds to be able to spot such hazards from afar, or accept a total loss of the train and possibly worse by going full speed (looking at the insane speeds modern cargo trains can transport thousands of tons from A to B).

How would you avoid losing thousands of tons of ammo, fuel, spare parts? Anything you need! to two fucktards with a metal saw, and how would you justify using hundreds of soldiers for a couple thousand of kilometers of railway security?

Using bikes, soldiers could easily and without using fuel travel 50 kilometers a day without straining themselves. Lets say teams of two would patrol that distance every single day.

The distance from Berlin to Moscow (by train) is roughly 1.800 kilometers. If you require two soldiers for every 50 kilometer stretch, two bikes, radios, guns, ammo, food, and other supplies, that would mean you waste approximately 7.200 soldiers, bikes and other supplies on one train line. Of course not the entire distance needs someone patrolling it 24/7, but especially "liberated" lands would require more than two blokes on a tandem bike for proper security. That would be a response time of up to three hours, assuming they patrol 24/7.

Using automated drones and having quick response teams in helos nearby would be an option, but even if a drone can cover 100 kilometers of distance, that would still leave an equally shit response time.

And now imagine:

Drone A spots two fellas on the train tracks in area A. Response team is dispatched. Fellas flee into the woods, turns out they were just some suicidal teens.

Meanwhile drone X spots four men on the tracks. Response team has to pack their shit up, fly all the way to area X (which could be a couple hundred kilometers away, which may require a refuel for the helo), and could possibly find the same ruse has been pulled on them once more, while the two teens in area A do their thing and blow up a bridge or whatever.

And all of this doesn't even include RPG strikes against locomotives, or just some guy dumping a belt into the windows of a troop transporter. Hundreds of soldiers wounded or whatever, just with one guy and a machine gun. Before anyone in the train even notices the rounds would have already shredded through two compartements, before the first guys get on the floor three more have been hosed down, and before anyone can form a reaction strike or get their own guns out of the window, the guy could already be on the move, leaving his gun, a couple hundred casings and a whole load of blood. Or a well planned low altitude stealth bombing run, a group of super commandos setting up elaborate traps, secret agents in the rail signal control system causing delays,

I know this topic probably requires another thread, but how on earth would you protect your train lines against some partisans? It doesn't even require a genius, or particularly good planning. All it needs is one fucker and some tools.


b00b32 No.526389

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>>526383

>>526383

>but how on earth would you protect your train lines against some partisans?

Its pretty simple Fritz, you remove the partisan or in particular their commissar holding their family hostage.


8429f4 No.526395

>>526383

what you're describing is how to deal with indirect vandalistic resistance, i remember there being a /pol/ thread on how dangerous it can be to a state.

i think the issue is not so much what can be done, since any number of countermeasures could alleviate attacks on infrastructure, but what can be done cheaply enough that it will not negate the net benefit of having trains.

i wouldn't be too worried about ranged attacks on locos themselves since they have alot higher armourablity than a road vehicle, some rocket grates and a reinforced engine will mean that no one attack can really do much damage.

IEDs on the other hand could outright derail a train, the only real solution other than constant mine clearance patrols would be to have a forward mounted trigger car wired to the brakes.

finally we get to direct track damage, which i think would be the biggest challenge. im not sure you would have the luxury of allowing civilians near to the tracks unharmed. so, assuming that any suspected tamperers are shot on sight the best thing to do would be to wire the tracks so that a breakage is signaled at the next station.

still though, all of this would cause significant delays and slowing of schedules, especially rigging the entire line with diagnostic lines. on an unrelated note i always wanted to play a transport tycoon style game set at war, maybe ww1.


f9787c No.526399

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>>526383

>but what then?

Mines.

Also there is virtually no weight limit for trains and why so much airpower was used against railways and train on the move. Because in WWII even in partisans infested areas attacks on train rarely if ever succeeded to stop train traffic.

Track damage is easily reparable by a technical car, railways are easily scouted by scout cars, IED/mines can be detonated by dummy cars. Armored cars with soldiers can defend it and pack as much firepower they want, etc…

>But ATGM

>But Anti-tank rounds.

How the fuck would a truck convoy fare better against that?


8429f4 No.526400

>>526399

i don't think he's advocating for replacement of rail transport. i think he's just mulling over the problems of guarding trains specificly.


6f88f3 No.526405

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>>526395

>i think the issue is not so much what can be done, since any number of countermeasures could alleviate attacks on infrastructure, but what can be done cheaply enough that it will not negate the net benefit of having trains.

That's probably the most important consideration. How many resources would you dedicate to keeping the resources going to the front safe?

>im not sure you would have the luxury of allowing civilians near to the tracks unharmed

This is what I am thinking as well. Shoot on sight and place signs around the areas surrounding any train line that warn you about it.

>the best thing to do would be to wire the tracks so that a breakage is signaled at the next station.

What if they were to hide a charge on the tracks, and blow it up by wire once the train can no longer stop (or worse: is directly above it). The taliban learned that using cellphones became obsolete for ambushes due to the military forces employing jammers, so they went back to wires they cover in the ground or other means. Now that soldiers are constantly walking around with metal detectors, they have gone back to pulling on ropes and simple timed charges. Hell, they attach tiny shaped charges with extremely long time triggers (around half a day) to strong magnets. The convoy goes over it, nobody notices a tiny metal thing sticking to the car, and about the time when the convoy is reaching it's destination: tiny explosion punches tiny hole into the engine or some other part and the vehicle is out of combat.

There are too many ways even a mentally retarded person could fuck with a train line. You would need to either constantly check on hundreds of kilometers of tracks, or make sure nobody dares mess with your trains. If you think about it, the whole hostage idea >>526389 is probably the best way to do it from a logistical/logical standpoint. If the partisans decide to fuck your shit up, you fuck up everybody's shit within 50 kilometers of the "occurance". Make this widely known by spreading propaganda and maybe give an example of what you mean with "fuck shit up".

>>526399

>How the fuck would a truck convoy fare better against that?

A convoy can change route at random. Trains have a track they must follow and (more often than not) a very strict schedule. Someone finds out that schedule and they can set up timed explosives or other dirty tricks, while the train can not just decide to go around the threat. If the first cart of a train derails the rest will follow. If the first car of a convoy gets blown up it can be moved out of the way. If the tracks get damaged it can take hours until the railway is passable again. If a bit of road get damaged the off-road cars can just drive on the fields around it for some time. A tire on a truck blows? Distribute it's load onto the other trucks. The locomotive dies? Have a multi-kilo-ton blockage on your major train track.

I also never said a truck convoy would be better for long range resupply. This thread it about keeping train-chan safe.


8429f4 No.526406

>>526405

i suppose you could also build a fleet of fake trains fairly cheaply. if you could get a good ratio of fake trains to real trains the partisans would waste alot of time and take alot of risks blowing up balloons. it would work especially well if you don't inform anyone which trains are fakes until they're inspected by loading crews.


6f88f3 No.526407

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>>526405

Wait, I just had an idea.

Tiny train cars, that can go at the speed of a normal cargo train. These go between the cargo trains and have a squad of soldiers aboard, sprint ahead, check the rail, wait for the cargo train to catch up, and then head on. Of course you could always derail/blow up one of these security carts and cause an obstruction that would have to be cleared in the process, but you could also have multiple of them between every two cargo trains, so that if one gets blown up, the other can sprint ahead, check the situation, and start repairs immediately.

While this may bind further personnel, it will also not put you in the situation where you have to kill a bunch of civvies, whose teenage sons decided to do something stupid, just because you said you would kill the families of anyone who does something stupid.

Polite sage for double post.


01cf20 No.526681

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>>526405

>A convoy can change route at random.

Not really. There is always a limited number of roads. And to move the amount of shit you can pack on a train it's even less.

In theory yes, in practice there is typically only one Major Supply Route.

Also the other major reason for that is that one route means you only have to keep one road secure with regular patrols, meaning convoy can take that road whenever because it's patrolled often, while sending patrol on all possible itineraries are either a gigantic troop sink or if you just do it when you're about to send a convoy and it's sure way to have your convoy IED since it's a telltale visible sign…

>>526395

>especially rigging the entire line with diagnostic lines

It's already the case because it's cheap as fuck…

What are train tracks made of?

You just run some low level electricity through it, if the electricity doesn't go to the next sensor your tracks are interrupted. You don't even need electronics…

Hell that would be a very simple way to protect them too… just run high voltage through the tracks when not in use. Anyone getting close gets zapped. Have fun planting IEDs…

>>526407

>Tiny train cars, that can go at the speed of a normal cargo train. These go between the cargo trains and have a squad of soldiers aboard, sprint ahead, check the rail, wait for the cargo train to catch up, and then head on.

That's called a scout car… vid related.

Again all the points you raise are something that did exist IRL in the worse condition possible be it in soviet land where entire divisions of the red army became behind enemy line partisans and were staging train attacks with raids with thousands of soldiers at a time or in place like France were the railway workers were actively sabotaging all the known weak points (1,700 were arrested for it…). Add constant bombardment and yet ultimately the Wehrmacht didn't have that much trouble moving shit from A to B by train. Sure they were hindered but that's the extant of it. Despite the insane amount of effort made by the other side to strike at said train network, the train network kept working to the last day of the war.

Meanwhile in the railway-less gigantic plains of the soviet union were everything had to be move by roads things went so well it cost them the war (Stalingrad battle in particular, bad roads + not enough roads = a German army that never managed to regroup properly and push back the soviets coming in by rail…)

Because train tracks are way easier to repair than roads and way tougher.

You can slow down a train convoy. But you can't stop it or destroy it.


a074a3 No.526686

If you don't mind I made a new thread for trains. >>526685


b3b87a No.526722

>>525519

You're a glorified gamer :^).


13c8d1 No.526724

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What gun is on that thing? I recognize the 4 RPG-26's but have no idea what MG / LMG / AR that is.


2300c2 No.526746

File: 40f937767d995e8⋯.jpg (7.6 KB, 400x124, 100:31, PKTM.JPG)

>>526724

PKTM

A PK modified with all human-interface parts removed, only essentials like barrel, chamber, and gas system. Barrel is thickened, and fitted with a flash hider.

It's mounted fixed into vehicles, and trigger is electronic. For installing on weapons systems which use optical or other sensors that could be blinded by muzzle flash.

2km range.


13c8d1 No.526754

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>>526746

Thanks Strelok.


264aa6 No.527715

>>525519

Yes OP




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