/k/ - Weapons

>>524725

>but couldn't find easily available info on this so I figured I'd defer to you niggas.

Then you're the nigger for not learning how to read, or use a search engine, because the first result of "how to own a machine gun" brings it up.

Here's a TL;DR:

>National Firearms Act of 1934

Certain items, including full auto firearms, need a $200 tax stamp to possess or transfer.

>Gun Control Act of 1968

Full auto firearms also need to be added to a national registry, in addition to the tax stamp.

>Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986

Oops, we're closing the registry. :^)

>CURRENT YEAR

If you want to own full-auto funs, you have two options.

First, you can buy one made and registered before 1986, and it's just like buying any other NFA item. Problem is, there's only so many transferrable full autos extant, and they're only getting scarcer, so supply and demand means they're stupid expensive.

Option two is to get a Federal Firearms License with a Class 3 Special Occupation Tax. Basically it makes you a registered and certified dealer of NFA items, and any machine guns you own are treated as 'dealer samples'.

That's a short barrel pistol carbine, not a submachine gun. As a civilian all you can buy in any nation in the world is a short barreled pistol carbine. SBPC defeats the point of a pistol as it's not concealable or holsterable, and SBPC defeats the point of a regular pistol carbine by having a short barrel. It is the ultimate in retardation.

You will never own a submachine gun without selling your home first. You will only ever own a short barrel pistol carbine. Please stop being retarded and imagining yourself to be a leet operator, it is fucking embarrassing and my face muscles are tired from cringing.

>>524732

>just assuming someone posting on /k/ has the money for it

Quadnigger if he has the money to buy a full auto, he has the money to pay $200 consulting fee to a team of lawyers to answer his fucking question in DETAIL and draft supporting documentation for a purchase!

>>524739

He answered his question you retarded leaf what the fuck is your problem?

Have you bitched to your congressman and senators demanding they introduce legislation to repeal the NFA ? Have you given Kelli Ward a donation?

If not you are part of the problem.

>>524746

>>524757

PS-90. You can get it down to a manageable size with a stamp if you're into that.

>>524809

But you would be giving money to IMI and they must certainly control repro rights.

>>524809

>the Jewzi

shame

>>524746

Aero carbines, JR Carbines and if you can find them the TNW M31's if your into drum magazines and quick detach barrels.

>>524811

Vector arms is a pretty good source. I think they stopped making them though. Mini-Uzis are more expensive than their regular models. Full-size 9mm is about $900 while the 9mm minis are $1500. It depends on what you want. I highly value the ability to change barrels to more practical sizes rapidly.

>>524812

>the Jewzi

It does suck that the kikes made it, but you can find the chink copy of the full size Uzi (Norinco 320) for between $500-$700. UC-9s built by Century arms also exist in the $600 range, and of course there are original IMI models (A, B, Mini, Micro) which start at about $1800 for an authentic full size model b.

>>524813

>TNW M31's if your into drum magazines and quick detach barrels.

How quick does the barrel detach? M31s seem interesting, but the are super heavy (10+lbs) from what I've heard.

>>524746

You could also try to find one of the semi-auto polish 9mm PPsH clones that were imported two years ago.

>>524819

Theres a latch on the side, looks like a safety/fire selector. You just pull it down and the barrel comes out.

>>524825

Interesting. Are they still very heavy even with shorter barrels on them?

>>524827

They're heavier than any other carbine, and heavier than an AR because of the wood.

If lightness is what you're looking for, you might have to weld on it a wire or composite stock or something.

>>524819

Loaded with a 12" barrel they weigh more than a M1 Garand by three pounds or something.

>>524746

Sig?

>>524846

SIG USA has been owned by a literal Jew since 2005 and the quality has gone down, the P320 is failing drop tests.

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but there is literally no reason to own a pistol caliber carbine. The only advantage they have is size, but without the ability to fire in automatic, just get a pistol.

I think realistically the only reason an SMG is any good is as an automatic. Even then, I think they're only good for vehicle crews, shipboard crew members, or something where you absolutely know you're going to be in close as fuck quarters, like SWAT.

I view intermediate caliber weapons as they were originally intended - as an SMG on steroids. The "Carry more ammo" aspect of them I feel is only useful if you actually use them as, like I just said, a nuclear powered SMG. They're generally not powerful enough to justify in the role that they're currently used in (Semi automatic quasi-DMR). I suppose if you're guerrilla-ing it up and expect to be running miles and miles a day and don't expect a resupply, it's ok. I guess I'll just sum it up in a list.

>Pistol - Perfectly fine. Serves the same functions that it always has

>Pistol Caliber Carbine - Borderline useless (Aside from having a lot of fun with) because you're better off with an intermediate carbine or pistol

>SMG - Arguably obsolete because intermediate cartridges fill the roll in almost all situations, with some exceptions

>Assault rifles - Should be used as originally intended. Should fill the SMG roll first, rifle second

>Battle rifles - This is /k/. Enough said.

>>524882

>intermediate caliber […] original purpose

M1 Carbine and SKS were semi-only. That's not even counting all the intermediate-out-of-a-long-gun rimmed cartridges like .44-40 or 357 Magnum that pre-date 30 carbine and 7.62x39.

Biggest advantage of intermediate is low enough recoil you can quickly make followup shots.

>>524757

I never understood this. It uses the same name as the old pistol-like soviet machine pistol, but looks like a G36 with a flat railed upper.

>>524885

Granted, sure. It isn't as cut and dry as I make it sound. I view the M1 as a bit of an anomaly, but as for the 7.62x39, as far as I know, it was intended to be used in a series of weapons, specifically a semi auto carbine, a select fire rifle, and an LMG, but they very quickly realized that the AK filled all those roles without needing 3 different guns.

Anyway, I'm just of the opinion that an intermediate rifle really should be looked at as a select fire SMG that has more range, rather than a semi auto rifle that can switch to automatic when need be. If you only have the option of semi auto, just go with a battle rifle. I think modern intermediate cartridges and rifles have made SMGs and pistol caliber carbines obsolete. And I want to emphasize that I'm saying a lot of "I think"s and "In my opinions"s.

>>524882

They tend to be quieter and have less flash, because powder fully burns up before the bullet leaves the barrel, and have way less recoil. This makes them a favorite of kids and people who want to plink.

It's also logical to have pistol carbines due to legal restrictions in some countries.

>I think realistically the only reason an SMG is any good is as an automatic.

That's true.

>>524725

smg? same as military "assault type" "scary" guns. if your state is blue during presidential election it is illegal, if a red state then legal but subject to state law, same as a full length ak. I bought a semi auot wasr 10 legally in TN. i can remove the accessory on the end of the barrell and replace it, other states say it must be welded on. they make an smg variant of my gun that just has a metal plate where the butt goes. i can convert mine with a peice of metal and some machining tools, or could easily order a kit if they make it, and would be legal depending on state laws

>>524732

> it makes you a registered and certified dealer of NFA items, and any machine guns you own are treated as 'dealer samples'.

you also need a signature from the head of local PD for any and all dealer samples

>>528068

Or become a manufacturer, which is an entirely different can of worms. Then you have pre- and post-dealer samples that muddy the waters slightly. Unless you're legitimately running a business or have more money than you know what to do with you're not getting an SOT.

I knew a guy like the latter, shit was great. Used to be able to play around with kit built Krinks, 20mm rifles and safari guns. Now the shop's pretty much closed and he spends all his time making syrup.

>>524809

The 16" barrel is actually very useful. 9mm coming out of a 16" barrel is similar to .357 Magnum.

>>528300

Hold up not norway, they're making those fucking things again?

>>528300

>breech on the left side

please tell me you can get that thing right handed

>>528308

Oh! Never mind.

I'm just retarded.

>>528278

False. BBTI lists 125gr cor-bon +p as 1476fps, with .357 mag having a similar projectile out the pipe for 2119fps. You would be right if you are talking about the subgun having a similar speed as a 4" revolver in 357. This also illustrates how well the magnum does with H110 slow burning pistol powder equivalents and it's long as fuck case.

10mm out of a 10" subgun though, that is a hell of a thing. 1500fps with a 180gr projectile (buffalo bore)? Call me sold and give me an onahole for this dick of diamonds I have.

God i want to make a 10mm subgun that can handle REAL 10mm loads

Also, to the other guys asking what the point of a subgun is- a swat friend from Reno (no idea where he is now) said the point of a subgun was to be less than the length of your forearm so that you can move through tight spaces very easily, whilst having better ballistics than a rifle at that size (due to rifle powders being really shit at these barrel lengths) or a pistol, and being a better weapon for the ranges expected than a shotgun (handling, recoil and magazine size).

They are an infighters weapon.

>>528300

I'm not going to lie, I want one of these. I wonder how they shoot. Also: rare flag

>>528422

How are you supposed to rack the bolt?

>>528478

It might be too heavy.

>>528022

HUEHUEHUHUEHUEHUEHUE the gun

So how well does the vector perform compared to other sub guns? Yes it's fucking expensive but what I want to know is can you go durr hunting with the 16" version chambered in 10mm?

>>528518

The mp7 is a failure though.

>>528022

>>528554

It Fired a Mouse round. The fuck did you expect, Leaf? 10mm Auto should have enough gas pressure to operate the bolt.

>>528022

Someone need to come out with CAD plans for this.

>>528569

You mean to say that the rotating bolt didn't work for the mp7?

>>524809

jewzi is just a mac 10 ripoff.

buy one of the newer macs that accept glock mags

>>528571

its like a little baby ak

>>528571

second pic is unbelievably sexy.

>>524732

Or you could just 4D print your own.

>>528554

>In use with multiple special operations groups

>failure

Flawed/imperfect doesn’t mean failure.