/k/ - Weapons

>>524475

i dont understand. so warosses of army navy and flyingshit can now declare state of mobilisation themselfs?

>>524478

>i dont understand

Legalese is barely even English so I don't blame you.

From what I'm reading from other sources, this will let each branch of the military bring retired soldiers back into active duty.

This ostensibly signals that there's going to be a new war, or a current war is going to be ramped up.

>>524475

>>524485

We all know that either the US crumbles soviet style or we're going to war with Russia. Only question is when.

>>524475

Time for the Korean war to get hot again nuclear hot that is.

Also Venezuela and Syria.

Company, always on the run

Destiny is the rising sun

Oh, I was born 6-gun in my hand

Behind the gun I'll make my final stand

That's why they call me

Bad company

And I can't deny

Bad company

'Til the day I die

Oh, 'til the day I die

'Til the day I die

Rebel souls, deserters we are called

Chose a gun and threw away the Son

Now these towns, they all know our name

6-gun sound is our claim to fame

I can hear them say

Bad company

And I won't deny

Bad, bad company

'Til the day I die, oh, yeah

'Til the day I die,

Hey

Bad company

I can't deny

Bad company

'Til the day I die

And I say it's bad company, oh yeah yeah

Bad company

'Til the day I die

>>524490

What do you mean 'either' there Francais?

>>524485

thanks.

and this is pretty standard practice in countries that had draft army for years.

I get how we'd weep because millions MORE commie hippies will cross border but why would any patriotic American weep? Especially on /k/…

>>524533

Just go live in the hills ice(((bergs))) and make tight knit family farm communities who refuse to trade with lib cities by claiming you do subsistence farming. When they get pissy just give them shriveled rotting broccoli stems that sexually identify as a rack of ribs with shit loads of fried potatoes as sides

>>524494

Venezuela would be is my guess. Syria would be too dangerous and Korea would be either nuclear or mostly air based.

>>524544

no. venezuela had the least hype build up. it will be korea or iran. rest of these are save because at thatpoint us economy would be too fucked to have 3 different theaters

>>524566

Same, I made it all the way to AIT in the army before they found out I wasn't FIT for duty because of asthma… complete shit

>>524570

I knew a guy that got booted for asthma. The SDI for the conditioning platoon got really fucking pissed about it.

praying begging pleading they reveal that women must now sign up for the draft to be allowed to vote.

>>524623

No, theyll scream BUT THATS SEXIST!. And then ppl wil virtual signal like idiots..

You're gonna need a Great Patriotic War like scenario for women to join the force to actually serve and just not be leeches. Even then, I haz doubts.

>>524626

that would be a "literal aliens invading earth" scenario

>>524544

>Korea would be mostly air based

No it wouldn't Texas. There will be boots needed on the ground otherwise Worst Korea will be driven into the sea.

>>524475

Nothing in that EO changes the draft at all, you fake news spewing CNN kike.

>>524644

It changes the draft to allow more retired soldiers to be drafted, and does some key changes to whom can authorize the draft to both the President and Secretary of Defense.

>>524628

Or if the US fights its own civil war and the US Navy acts retarded.

Wew thats gonna be Chinese civil war levels of bloodshed then. Every anti-american 'freedom' state with some money and weapons gonna be channeling into that fight.

I'd like to see the stand off between EU-RUS-China- JAP after that though. Ought to be fun as hell to watch. Cold war prob be EU/China vs Russia/Japan)

So is this a tit-for-tat or what?

http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2017/10/exclusive-us-preparing-put-nuclear-bombers-back-24-hour-alert/141957/

>>524870

I'm pretty sure the USAF realized Trump likes nukes and dick-waving and they're just hot-dogging for some extra funding.

>>524485

>This ostensibly signals that there's going to be a new war, or a current war is going to be ramped up.

The government thinks there's never a bad excuse for increasing the scope of government. It's probably something a general brought up in a national security meeting that Trump liked.

>>524634

I said mostly air based because of already present US forces on the peninsula and I don't think Best Korea could do much. Although I guess the Norks could do some sort of damage by overrunning the South?

>>524941

Well NorKo has a ridiculous amount of arty despite it all being cold war era IIRC. Also, a million starving asians rushing south os still a million asians rushing south. I understand there is some fear as to the possiblity of tunnel systems under the border as well, which could be well utilized.

I've looked at this elsewhere and still don't understand

>“We're 1,500 pilots short, and if we don't find a way to turn this around, our ability to bomb Israel's enemies unopposed defend the nation is compromised,” Gen. David L. Goldfein, Air Force Chief of Staff, told UPI

Oy fucking vey

>>525021

I think the EO is specifically for officers, but vould be a stepping stone for a much broader order

>>524941

>Although I guess the Norks could do some sort of damage by overrunning the South?

North Korea has the vast majority of their artillery and missiles pointed directly at Seoul and the South Korean border, although most of the artillery is not in range and is kept hidden. A third of their shells are duds, and a lot of them would simply kill people outside any buildings. That's just artillery fire though. The Norks can overwhelm and completely destroy the US token force in about 4 hours so if Trump is serious about war he needs to build the forces up at the border outside of Seoul since that's a major nuke target.

>>525007

>Also, a million starving asians rushing south os still a million asians rushing south.

>just one trips a nuclear land mine (or I dunno, we just detonate those)

how many are left now?

>>525073

Alot are still left

>>525101

Plus a big ass chunk of irradiated land

>>525007

Anon our arty is mostly cold war era as well, guided shells aren't as common as people think. The advantages we have are: mobility, radars and satellite pictures. The advantages their artillery has are about five to eight times more tubes, and all their artillery positioned and zeroed in for 40 years, so it will hit exactly what they want it to.

The most important thing right now for us is increasing our artillery presence near the DMZ. We need the ability to counterbat their artillery without waiting for 15 minutes to an hour for a cruise missile to get there from nearby ships and Okinawa.

They can dump around one million shells by the time our ~100 shipboard tomahawks get there, and 5-10 million shells in Seoul by the time the ~500-1000 Okinawan Tomahawks get there. And we only have a few hundred tomahawks spread out to tens of thousands of artillery tube targets. If we want to prevent the destruction of Seoul and the occupation of Korea, we seriously need about 10,000 artillery tubes of our own pointing north with counterbat radars so we can suppress their artillery positions in the first few minutes, not waiting an hour for cruise missile support.

Without a massive arty response of our own? It's actually a moot point. Most of DPRK cannons don't even have that much ammo, the tomahawks would be hitting empty artillery tubes an hour after the north korean army has entered the blasted city. So right now, as the situation stands, it would actually be BETTER for us not to fire on their artillery, and save our cruise missiles for bridges, roads, their tanks and infantry as they move south. As of the positions right now, Seoul is going to be written off.

>>524779

>EU/China vs Russia/Japan

Are Russkies and Japs close to each other now, or would that be an uneasy alliance born out of necessity.

>>525107

That will blowback on civilians from both sides

>>525109

It will definitely be a first strike priority, probably arty mixed with multiple sources of airstrikes. The initial contact will be on and around the artillery positions.

>>525116

>>525109

Also submarines and stealth bombers loaded with steel rain would probably help. How many pieces does NK have on that line?

>>525116

Right now our arty isn't fleshed out enough to do much damage. If we strike first and eliminate that 1 hr gap, with our jets and missiles hitting at the same time, we have a chance at ending it before losing more than 1 million civilians. Any other option is going to be worse.

Planeman did an excellent analysis, so excellent that he got recruited by alphabets, and now his shit is mostly scrubbed from the net, except for a few maps.

>>525118

They have around 500 artillery bases, and each base obviously has a lot of tubes attached to it. I guess it depends on whether a base has a platoon or brigade of artillery attached to it.

This info comes from a Industrial Grade Autist literally zooming in on google earth and counting the bases one by one, he obviously wouldn't get all of them (well camo'd ones) and he wouldn't be able to count all the artillery pieces in them.

>>525121

Oh according to publicized DOD "facts", north korea is supposed to have around 2.5k self propelled artillery, 5.1k rocket artillery, and 8.6k+ towed artillery, and 20k other artillery pieces 107 towed rocket artillery, mortars from RM-38 to 152mm beasts with around 6.4k dedicated mortar carrier vehicles. Their organic air defense protecting the artillery is about 10k MANPADs and 5-10k anti aircraft artillery pieces.

Not counted in general "artillery" numbers when considering an assault on Seoul are about 1-2k ballistic missiles which can hit any target in the peninsula. Five hundred or so ships with missiles or artillery on them capable of sailing into seoul harbor and fucking it up from there. 650 or so aircraft capable of carrying bombs. Or the five million Redguard soldiers, which have their own artillery and heavy weapons that aren't fully understood as they're all very well camouflaged among the civilian population.

>>525124

Interesting. 500 is a hefty request at first strike, not including the rest of the NK military. I hadnt considered their air defenses. I wonder if it is probable for landing parties to secure a beachhead near to the artillery bases to try and scare them out of the positions as part of a multifaceted first strike operation with air raids, sub-launched missiles and rotar squadrons to harass them. At this point its easy to conclude that a favorable initial outcome isnt going to happen concerning the NK firebases. With conventional weapons it might be best to slow the NK firemissions while the navy gets to work eliminating bridges and plausible roadways to slow the NK advance and gamble on one or two beachheads to try and dump armor and men behind the main NK thrust.

>>525124

>>525139

Unless, of course, the NK are entirely hoping that NATO will focus on the artillery as a distraction for some other manuever, perhaps in the east of the country, but I dont know successful that would be considering the terrain is mostly mountainous and easily dammable.

>>525139

Best Korea is a mountain range full of traps, defensive lines and angry gooks. Do you think a landing party will be able to rush through that land?

>>525139

Best strategy would be to draw them into seoul and set of a hydrogen bomb that kills 90% of their forces.

Later we can blame it on kim.

>>525144

Not at all easily but im merely trying to consider options. Its not a great one, no, but leaning on air and naval assets is not going to yield the results alone. Not that I can think of, unless a fleet of UAV are also deployed with DEW and hellfires.

>>525148

Perhaps not a H-bomb, but an attempt to encircle the potential NK forces that take the city and set the navy and air force to task on destroying supply lines. I wish I was a better armchair general

>>524533

> but why would any patriotic American weep

Not all of us want serve ZOG

>>525176

That's admirable, you don't want to fight in a war where you aren't clear of the motives. But why don't you fight in a war to remove ZOG?

>serve zog every day

>by following its laws

>paying its taxes

>supporting its economy

>never armed revolt

Aaaaah…. I see. I don't think serving ZOG is what you want to avoid, I think it's just fighting in general. Because you're a vagina.

>>525187

Oh boy, another grand post from leafland.

I really am just going to filter Canadians on sight from here on out, the one leaf that isn't a tremendous faggot isn't worth seeing a bunch of mouth breather tier posts from the others.

>>525112

Definitely out of necessity. They still have border disputes. China is just the common enemy because they technically are still salty about all the land up north and the ROC claims it

>>525150

Korea is an option if the US somehow convince the Chinese We wont be able to that weare trustworthy and that wewon't threaten them later with.

I doubt that because I've read the art of war, that is literally the Chinese version of "On War" and it's the same reason the Chinese went to war over korea, the fact they were afraid of having the US on the border and the fact that Mcarthur said something the chinese took to be invading china proper Point in fact is that in China, if you say something with rank, you mean it as the official stance in the government That quote that the restriction on crossing the Yalu was "a handicap to effective military operations" is basically the reason for Chinese entry to the war.

Think of it as if China stationed SLBMs in Cuba.

>>525139

Do the NKs have S-300 and S-400? That makes life a lot harder.

>>525124

China will supply them anyways think Spanish civil war's intervention style, Xi's purge looks eerily similar to the cleaning of military officials Deng did after the most recent version of Vietnam. Plus, the Chinese military needs to prove that Xi's investment in them wasn't wasted He came to power by siding with the former Manchuria theater commander at the time against Bo who (allegedly) tried to kill that commander. Plus, Russians would be salvating with envy, they don't have to send volunteers and can probably test out new tech. Korea is a clusterfuck right now, China will probably back logistically, militarily NK, the NATO and the SK, Russia will try to remain "neutral" but support NK/China because of it's antagonism with EU/US/NATO It also needs the trade relationship with China rn, considering that the sanctions are still on them can someone verify that??. If the EU breaks free of NATO grasp and doesn't intervene, holy shit that will be interesting. Russia prob to try and either supp NK or Russian backed power and we might get Syria 2.0.

Has anyone have info on the effectiveness of submarines in the area between Shandong Peninsula and Korea? I wonder if the incredibly shitty PLAN and NK navies could stages area denial warfare over there, its ~321.26 km across roughly at from Weihai which coincidentally harbors a sub force to Haeju . I think it might be possible to have the threat of guided Anti-carrier misses if they work and subs to seal it off from the US. Norks still get the task of defending the long eastern coast though.

Where's the ukraine anon when you need him? I've been hearing rumors that a lot of the Ukrainian arms engineers were hired by china and relocated to remote regions of Sichuan. Not sure if thats rumor or actually true. I also heard that the Chinese hired the engineers who designed Kuznetsov-class somehow, but those rumors are even more sketchy

>>524569

You don't need hype to build up a war. You need hype to prevent a war, or any action of the government.

Many people are very passionate that we don't go to war in Korea, Ukraine, Africa in general, yadda yadda yadda. These people will be very happy that their chosen theater is not going to happen, and won't mind.

>>524623

That won't actually be helpful for the military though. The double standard is far more useful to bother feminists with.

>>524870

All of our nuclear weapons have probably gone through half-life by now I know they haven't physicsfriends. The one cost-effective part of our military is as old as Billy Beer.

>>525112

There is no such thing as an alliance with Japan. If the roosters have forgiven them for Port Arthur, there would be literally no tension.

>>525256

There are still the border islands disputes.

I just don't see Russia commiting to a pro-china slant for the fact that China (ROC which means the PRC might be assholes like Vietnam) claims technically most of the Southern Russian Far East

I just don't see Korea kicking off cause the US/China/Japan all lose. Russians/indians/EU get the last laugh unless the US drags NATO in again.

>>525237

Do you think I care what you filter? Go to your safe space.

So glad Trumps our president know and hes enacting all the policies he ran for president on. Oh, wait…….

>>525254

>Do the NKs have S-300 and S-400?

No but they have S-200 which is still plenty bad if they've kept it in service.

We almost didn't invade Iraq because we thought they had functioning S-200s. Syria had old broken down S-200, even so the Israelis ordered ISIL to target S-200 first because they didn't want to risk their F-16s getting BTFO. Eventually Russia helped them restore 1 battery of S-200 and Syrians knocked down three jew fighters and damaged two (an F-35 among them) with it.

So yes it's a serious missile if they have it, but I doubt they kept it in service. It's a difficult missile system to maintain since it's exposed to environment, and parts are rare.

>China will supply them

>Russia will try to remain "neutral" but support NK/China

This is true with four caveats:

1. PRC/RF want the war to continue a long time

2. They want the DPRK to lose eventually

3. They want US not to have presence in the peninsula when the fighting is over

4. No proof of PRC or RF involvement can exist

So likely they'll focus on lengthening the war by supplying DPRK, and they'll also fund nationalist sentiment and hatred of America in ROK, which is the only government that could possibly take over a defeated DPRK.

America is trying to salvage a stronger defensive posture by eliminating a ridiculously serious threat to Okinawa, Taiwan, Japan…. but at the same time America doesn't want to leave ROK.

It's a tossup as to what would happen, pure chance, which is why Great Powers aren't acting. They hate pure chance…

>>525359

>all

Easymode: Name a president who didn't enact a single promise in eight years in office.

Hardmode: Name a leader in history who enacted ALL of his promises in less than a year in power.

Impossiblemode: Name a president that enacted ALL of his promises in less than a year of government control.

>>525371

Let's just hope we don't have a balkan powder-keg go off again.

I also saw some of the congress speeches n'shit. Dems and rep traitors talking about how the US can't survive another diaster year like this one with the hurricanes and wildfires. Maybe they want to prepare for imminent collapse???

>>525371

instead of worrying about how long it takes him to keep promises, look at how he is treating the spirit of what he claimed he would do. Hillary ignored, not even an attempt at draining the swamp, shilling for amnesty, a fig-leaf of deportations, muslim ban lapsed, no change in amount of refugees, backtracking on china and nato and various other things, and a continuation of the jews foreign policy. He reversed a lot of his supposed economic stance within weeks of getting in office.

>>525501

I always laughed at the FEMA camps spergs, but disaster relief, maintaining order, emergency services mobilisation, etc. are very useful backups to squashing any sort of revolt or societal breakdown. Everyone worries about drones and helicopters and HRT, but your neighbors would be the ones selling you out when you don't show up to get your biometric ID card for a trailer with electricity and food and phone charging stations. And it won't be the ATF coming to take guns but 'first responders'.

>>525524

>And it won't be the ATF coming to take guns but 'first responders'.

My uncle was a first responder for Katrina. It was the local cops rounding up guns, they asked for help but everyone told them to fuck off.

>>525524

I remember /pol/ being overjoyed when he made that tweet about auditing the federal reserve. Anons were saying about how they had previously been on the fence but now they trusted him completely etc, the redpilled candidate etc. And now it seems that Donald "All my kids are Yids" Trump has completely reversed on every one of his policies. It is current year plus two and some anons still believe that democracy can fix our issues. Funnily enough they don't want to actually fix anything, they just want to turn back the clock to the 50s so we can stumble down the same path again.

>>525535

>>525524

1. You interpreted the wrong "spirit" from the outset, he's not the next fuhrer.

2. He hasn't ignored a single one of his promises or gone back on anything.

3. You're expecting him to do everything in less than a year, this is retarded. He's going to need 8 years MINIMUM to have even a chance of doing some of what he promised. The point is that all the goals capable of being achieved quickly, are being achieved quickly.

>Hillary ignored

The fucking queen of england donated to her charity, and half the law firms in DC. This is a touchy subject, he has to bring her down in a way where she can't talk and embarrass other powerful people, and he has to do it for something that's not the clinton foundation.

This is why the emails are being re-examined around Huma Abedin, Trump is trying another angle.

>>525535

>I remember /pol/ being overjoyed when he made that tweet about auditing the federal reserve.

when he picked mnuchin, I thought 'maybe just wants to hear what an insider would tell him,'and then when he surrounded himself with more jews I started getting nervous. When he decided he didn't care about the Fed anymore and Yellen was cool with him just like Hilldawg, I knew it was all a lie.

>>525540

>He hasn't ignored a single one of his promises or gone back on anything.

except for all the cases he has. You can project chess into the shadows all you like, but unless the outcome at least has the spirit of the things he campaigned with (even if he fails), then there is no substance to any of his supposed positions. Repeatedly shilling for amnesty while Repubs introduce amnesty bill? That's sure as shit not in the spirit of they have to go back. And not the word either, when he so often talked about his hardline stance, etc. But yeah, it is chess in some ways. When he trotted people out to say how immigrants killed their family, he was sacrificing pawns to get elected.

>he has to bring her down in a way where she can't talk and embarrass other powerful people

she was always just a useful tool of those with real power and wealth. He doesn't want to stir up shit with those people because they overlap with the people controlling him. /pol/ may have censored the information in the past, but it's clear he's been a shabbos goy for a very, very long time. He is no different from a neo-con.

>You interpreted the wrong "spirit" from the outset

America First was how he aligned himself.

>>525568

>Repeatedly shilling for amnesty

You were misreading his tweets and freaking out because Breitbart was muddying the waters.

Feel free to list other ways he went back on promises.

>He doesn't want to stir up shit with those people

More like he fucking can't. How do you prosecute someone who, if prosecuted, would incriminate also the entire political and judicial system?

She's never going to get prosecuted if she can hold that sword of damocles over everyones head. He needs to find some way to put her (and family) in witsec where she can't talk, then prosecute her completely behind curtains for something obscure like tax fraud.

It's the only way to actually do it.

>America First was how he aligned himself.

What other country has he placed above American interests?

>>525526

I'm rural, when we had our local emergency with attendant Nasty Girls (don't recall when feds showed up), they had the firemen and local cops round up guns. The volunteers I know never even questioned it, gotta keep the guns from getting looted of course.

>>525591

What a bunch of fags, I hope you either educated them on what's wrong with that or dropped them as friends.

>>525599

I threw a fit when I realized it, that is not exactly why I dropped them but it was related to their lemming natures.

>>525601

Check the standford prision experiment yet? Most people are too dumb and the ones who aint are always portrayed as enemies of the government. Society tries to cut down those with different thoughts and are more aware of the actual, pragmatic, situation.

>>525643

>>standford prison expierement

>psychology

kill yourself.

>>525187

>a leaf accusing a burger of cowardice

But Maple-san, your Prime Minister told me that if I kill my enemies, they win.

>>525677

I find it funny because leafistan is China's bitch on top of being ZOG'd.

If anything they've got even more cause for a revolution than we do.