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He's selling the gun to you, he works for the company. This might be the best AR so far, but it still suffers from inherent AR problems which people who don't like AR still won't like.

Also honestly first comment in youtube hit the nail on the head

>Perfect rifle! Until gen 3, or gen 2.01 or the next recall, or the next rolling improvement. . . Very cool gun, don't get me wrong, but I, for one, don't like being marketed to like I'm a child. Nothing is perfect. How about a frank and honest discussion of what the gun does, why its benefits make it more attractive than its competitors, and a company that will stand by its product?

>>521633

>This might be the best AR so far, but it still suffers from inherent AR problems which people who don't like AR still won't like.

It's not an AR, chap

But I agree with you. "Best rifle so far".

I would like to know some opinions from people who disagree though.

>>521635

impniggerment? Don't make me Best rifle so far is FAL eat shit you turbofuck retard RIFLE IS A LARGE MEANING IT NO seven Six two is the BEST bullett lagu

>>521633

>people who don't like AR still won't like.

those "people" are wrong. the AR is literally THE best rifle of the 20th-21st century.

>>521635

>it's not an AR

But it is though, lad.

>>521631

>short stroke gas piston ar15 meme

>>521672

Internally, it has more to do with an AK than with an AR. It's a modern/improved blend actually, with some new stuff.

Sig has some history of blending AKs with ARs.

But no one here has something to contribute, like, "I shot one and didn't like it", or "the SCAR is better because of x, y and z", or "the HK433 is going to reign the benchmarks from now on".

Really, nothing?

>>521675

>Internally, it has more to do with an AK than with an AR. It's a modern/improved blend actually, with some new stuff.

No it doesn't, it's literally just a piston AR-15 upper with a crypto-AR-18 style dual recoil spring system.

>>521631

>Where's the AR? AK12? ACR? ARX? XCR? SCAR? HK433?

AR is doing fine, thank you.

AK12 is a meme rifle and it seems to be horrible (there's little info on that, but it seems that the Russians refuse to abandon core AK designs that are full of flaws)

ACR is also a meme weapon

ARX is a meme weapon, mediocre (MUH AMBIDEXTROUS)

XCR is the real winner of the SOFCAR competition imho, but is still dead

SCAR is a meme weapon, but at least good at that. Still, many AR derivatives and mods can achieve similar results with much less money and a better platform.

HK433 not enough info, seems promising but more of the same.

Rifles have reached their wall and in the foreseeable future we could see all of these listed converging to an unique standard design, they're already getting closer to each other.

What problem does this rifle solve to make it "perfect"?

>is not cheap

>is not especially accurate

>is not especially light

>is a general purpose design

they spent gobs of cash R&Ding this thing just to produce an AR lookalike with a folding stock, a two setting gasblock, and one(1) caliber change option. i would rather buy something legal in britain for the same money, at least SpoonCo works from a sensible design brief.

but seriously, is there a point to this gun?

>>521698

>but seriously, is there a point to this gun?

Someone wanted an AR that doesn't have a buffer tube so from the looks of things they've rigged a SiG 550 system onto it and in the end of things this fits right into someones want list.

I have a Sig 556 NATO rifle. It's pretty neat for a notAR15, but it's not anything special (aside from the complete inability to customize it, considering nobody makes aftermarket furniture and SIG stopped supporting it years ago). Trigger pull is long and kinda mushy, it's unneccessarily heavy for a 16" 5.56 rifle, and the plastic handguard wobbles slightly and feels awkard to hold. This new rifle looks free floated and they definitely fixed the trigger issue, but aside from that you get a 5.56 rifle that doesn't have a fraction of a fraction of the aftermarket support the AR15 has, or even the AK.

I wish Sig would do a rifle in a 6-7mm cartridge. which is what 223 should have been.

223 is an excellent replacement for 30 carbine.

>>521685

Pretty sure the magazines are the same. Maybe some of the lower parts too.

this is the perfect rifle.

http://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/steyr-stm-556-rs-556-rifle/#sniper-warfare

>>521685

>He even explicitly says that it resembles an AK-47

How so?

>It sure does look like an AR, but this is just aesthetics

It's literally just a piston upper for an AR, you can put the upper on any standard AR lower without any modification and it will work.

I don't know how I can explain this to you, it's as much of an AR as a PWS rifle or another of those meme piston guns, it just happens to have some stylistic changes, a short stroke piston instead of gas impingement and a different recoil spring. It has nothing in common with an AK at all, it's just another evolution of the AR-15.

>>521711

>Maybe some of the lower parts too.

it literally uses a standard AR lower with some fancy shaping and the buffer tube removed.

>>521737

>What in the everloving fuck is HK even thinking for fucks sake?

making money with a better and more expensive service rifle than the g36?

that's a funny way to say FAL , comrade

>>521737

>What in the everloving fuck is HK even thinking for fucks sake?

Germany is holding a contest to replace the G36.

The HK416 is too expensive to manufacture and has the AR-15 inherent flaws.

So then HK decided to create the HK433 (http://modernfirearms.net/assault/de/hk433-e.html) to compete with the serious threat that is the STM556 (http://modernfirearms.net/assault/at/stm556-e.html).

They both uses the same concept as the ACR (http://modernfirearms.net/civil/usa/magpul-masada-acr-e.html), XCR (http://modernfirearms.net/assault/usa/robarm-m96-xcr-e.html), SCAR (http://modernfirearms.net/assault/usa/fn-mk16-mk17-scar-e.html) and MCX (http://modernfirearms.net/assault/usa/sig-mcx-e.html) of taking the AR platform and changing it, creating "a new one", to remove the flaws.

They're all basically trying to fight for the spot of next universal platform.

>>521774

>comrade

Fuck off.

>FAL

Rightly retired, and the FAL's child, the IA2, is a non-modular, non-convertible, non-future-proof piece of shit as well.

t. Militar who watched FALs breaking and malfunctioning left and right

>>521631

>not a bullpup

>not belt-fed

>not chambered for a general purpose cartridge

>not optimised for mass production with as many stamped parts as possible

>>521786

the 1A2 is not a fal you crypto fascy who serves our leftist government, comrade

>PERFECT RIFLE

M-16 compromise ass-end charging, muh forward assist so i can SPORTS, HBAR, awful bolt release.

recoil springs like a Daewoo is nice, not innovative though.

I see design by cargo cult committee and hooknose marketeering.

>>521851

go away john lebowitz. I learned about how retarded the FA is from an AR designer, and from use, decade ago.

instantly transform an ammo failure into a trip to the gunsmith with this one simple trick!

People keep saying that the AR platform has inherent issues, but what are they? Assuming we're sticking with 223 I think we have pretty much hit a high point in systems aside from possibly a bull pup with good ergonomics and accuracy that isn't expensive, heavy, or unreliable. Any mentioned problems and subsequent improvements would be minute I think.

To make a true "best rifle" (again 223 assumed which in reality is probably far from it) something absolutely recognizably innovate would have to be done while maintaining the AR's weight, accuracy, reliability and other good characteristics.

>>521864

minor ergo and usage issues, few of which this Sig addresses.

bullpups are the future of 1950 and are worse at everything but being shorter, which they are good at. and ambi stuff, sometimes. rdb is top shelf, if keltec didn't make grasping surfaces out of toy plastic and 100 wood screws.

>>521685

Just look at the fucking bolt (especially the Gen 1 version). It's an AR with the recoil system modified so that the bore axis recoil concept is ruined plus a fancy gas block that uses a captive, spring rod to punch the gas key (now just a solid part) instead of gas itself.

Where in the fuck is there any AK at all in that design?

>>521859

>instantly transform an ammo failure into a trip to the gunsmith with this one simple trick!

>being this much of an inrange shill

>>521864

>People keep saying that the AR platform has inherent issues, but what are they?

just my thoughts

>buffer tube

>can't finger release the bolt hold open

>having a 90 degree throw for the selector (i'd prefer 45 degrees)

>lol staked gas key

>the fucking gas key

>why is this fucking two parts

>shoehorning a short stroke in there then suffering carrier tilt

>castle nut

>bolt carrier group hitting the buffer tube lip

>small springs

>charging handle should be ambidextrous i feel like it could be somewhere better without effecting it keeping the elements out of the gun

>square locking lugs meme

>5.56mm/.223

about it from my knowledge. the selector lever and controls are in a pretty good spot when you account for other designs. i don't know why fucking no one can make a selector lever that doesn't rub your index knuckle.

>a selector lever that doesn't rub your index knuckle.

Wait, what? Do you mean ambi selectors rubbing right handed shooters?

>>521875

yes. on some rifles they either gimp the ambi selector or they just don't fucking care if it rubs or not.