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8d16fb No.521631

He said so.

They fixed every complaint the 1st gen had now in this 2nd gen.

Where's the AR? AK12? ACR? ARX? XCR? SCAR? HK433?

c5cb58 No.521633

He's selling the gun to you, he works for the company. This might be the best AR so far, but it still suffers from inherent AR problems which people who don't like AR still won't like.

Also honestly first comment in youtube hit the nail on the head

>Perfect rifle! Until gen 3, or gen 2.01 or the next recall, or the next rolling improvement. . . Very cool gun, don't get me wrong, but I, for one, don't like being marketed to like I'm a child. Nothing is perfect. How about a frank and honest discussion of what the gun does, why its benefits make it more attractive than its competitors, and a company that will stand by its product?


77f6e1 No.521635

>>521633

>This might be the best AR so far, but it still suffers from inherent AR problems which people who don't like AR still won't like.

It's not an AR, chap

But I agree with you. "Best rifle so far".

I would like to know some opinions from people who disagree though.


c5cb58 No.521637

>>521635

impniggerment? Don't make me Best rifle so far is FAL eat shit you turbofuck retard RIFLE IS A LARGE MEANING IT NO seven Six two is the BEST bullett lagu


92f91c No.521671

>>521633

>people who don't like AR still won't like.

those "people" are wrong. the AR is literally THE best rifle of the 20th-21st century.


21857a No.521672

>>521635

>it's not an AR

But it is though, lad.


bcecc7 No.521673

>>521631

>short stroke gas piston ar15 meme


8d16fb No.521675

>>521672

Internally, it has more to do with an AK than with an AR. It's a modern/improved blend actually, with some new stuff.

Sig has some history of blending AKs with ARs.

But no one here has something to contribute, like, "I shot one and didn't like it", or "the SCAR is better because of x, y and z", or "the HK433 is going to reign the benchmarks from now on".

Really, nothing?


21857a No.521679

>>521675

>Internally, it has more to do with an AK than with an AR. It's a modern/improved blend actually, with some new stuff.

No it doesn't, it's literally just a piston AR-15 upper with a crypto-AR-18 style dual recoil spring system.


8d16fb No.521685

File: bb47abfec430871⋯.jpg (37.08 KB, 1000x300, 10:3, 23-45-00-ieQ9h1FURiikMmsUy….jpg)

>>521679

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/06/robert-farago/truth-sig-sauer-mcx-vs-ar-15/

He even explicitly says that it resembles an AK-47. It sure does look like an AR, but this is just aesthetics - no one ever will say that the MCX is an AR, but yes, has some things like it.

This has already been the subject of much debate and it's simply not an AR.

Actually, are you an ARfag? If you are then tell me now so that we can end this discussion instead of prolonging suffering.


e9b640 No.521695

>>521631

>Where's the AR? AK12? ACR? ARX? XCR? SCAR? HK433?

AR is doing fine, thank you.

AK12 is a meme rifle and it seems to be horrible (there's little info on that, but it seems that the Russians refuse to abandon core AK designs that are full of flaws)

ACR is also a meme weapon

ARX is a meme weapon, mediocre (MUH AMBIDEXTROUS)

XCR is the real winner of the SOFCAR competition imho, but is still dead

SCAR is a meme weapon, but at least good at that. Still, many AR derivatives and mods can achieve similar results with much less money and a better platform.

HK433 not enough info, seems promising but more of the same.

Rifles have reached their wall and in the foreseeable future we could see all of these listed converging to an unique standard design, they're already getting closer to each other.


8109fa No.521698

What problem does this rifle solve to make it "perfect"?

>is not cheap

>is not especially accurate

>is not especially light

>is a general purpose design

they spent gobs of cash R&Ding this thing just to produce an AR lookalike with a folding stock, a two setting gasblock, and one(1) caliber change option. i would rather buy something legal in britain for the same money, at least SpoonCo works from a sensible design brief.

but seriously, is there a point to this gun?


178204 No.521701

>>521698

>but seriously, is there a point to this gun?

Someone wanted an AR that doesn't have a buffer tube so from the looks of things they've rigged a SiG 550 system onto it and in the end of things this fits right into someones want list.


b60796 No.521702

I have a Sig 556 NATO rifle. It's pretty neat for a notAR15, but it's not anything special (aside from the complete inability to customize it, considering nobody makes aftermarket furniture and SIG stopped supporting it years ago). Trigger pull is long and kinda mushy, it's unneccessarily heavy for a 16" 5.56 rifle, and the plastic handguard wobbles slightly and feels awkard to hold. This new rifle looks free floated and they definitely fixed the trigger issue, but aside from that you get a 5.56 rifle that doesn't have a fraction of a fraction of the aftermarket support the AR15 has, or even the AK.


2fb8f3 No.521704

I wish Sig would do a rifle in a 6-7mm cartridge. which is what 223 should have been.

223 is an excellent replacement for 30 carbine.


360a3f No.521711

>>521685

Pretty sure the magazines are the same. Maybe some of the lower parts too.


2fb8f3 No.521712


21857a No.521728

>>521685

>He even explicitly says that it resembles an AK-47

How so?

>It sure does look like an AR, but this is just aesthetics

It's literally just a piston upper for an AR, you can put the upper on any standard AR lower without any modification and it will work.

I don't know how I can explain this to you, it's as much of an AR as a PWS rifle or another of those meme piston guns, it just happens to have some stylistic changes, a short stroke piston instead of gas impingement and a different recoil spring. It has nothing in common with an AK at all, it's just another evolution of the AR-15.

>>521711

>Maybe some of the lower parts too.

it literally uses a standard AR lower with some fancy shaping and the buffer tube removed.


6805e3 No.521737

File: 161c63580f55f04⋯.jpg (35.68 KB, 320x358, 160:179, yeeeeeee.jpg)

>>521631

>dat video

top of the line AR cancer as always.

>HK 433

>annudahh AR wannabe

What in the everloving fuck is HK even thinking for fucks sake?

The HK 50/G36 is already a fine rifle by itself and beats the AR more than a mile.

<hurr durr iz meyd prom fholymehr

<durr hurr fholymehr mheltz

then change the main piece (where the barrel, magwell, fire control, and folding stock are mounted) of the G36 into metal instead. Add ambidextrous features like what the Beretta ARX (ambidextrous ejection) Remington/Bushmaster ACR (ambidextrous folding stock) have, and sell it instead of making another AR wannabe.


1ee475 No.521771

>>521737

>What in the everloving fuck is HK even thinking for fucks sake?

making money with a better and more expensive service rifle than the g36?


543ff5 No.521774

that's a funny way to say FAL , comrade


af82cf No.521782

File: 73c919dbc1bbdb0⋯.gif (1.46 MB, 360x181, 360:181, 1460746639904.gif)

>repeatedly dry fires


fcb002 No.521784

>>521737

>What in the everloving fuck is HK even thinking for fucks sake?

Germany is holding a contest to replace the G36.

The HK416 is too expensive to manufacture and has the AR-15 inherent flaws.

So then HK decided to create the HK433 (http://modernfirearms.net/assault/de/hk433-e.html) to compete with the serious threat that is the STM556 (http://modernfirearms.net/assault/at/stm556-e.html).

They both uses the same concept as the ACR (http://modernfirearms.net/civil/usa/magpul-masada-acr-e.html), XCR (http://modernfirearms.net/assault/usa/robarm-m96-xcr-e.html), SCAR (http://modernfirearms.net/assault/usa/fn-mk16-mk17-scar-e.html) and MCX (http://modernfirearms.net/assault/usa/sig-mcx-e.html) of taking the AR platform and changing it, creating "a new one", to remove the flaws.

They're all basically trying to fight for the spot of next universal platform.


ae1f41 No.521786

>>521774

>comrade

Fuck off.

>FAL

Rightly retired, and the FAL's child, the IA2, is a non-modular, non-convertible, non-future-proof piece of shit as well.

t. Militar who watched FALs breaking and malfunctioning left and right


ca9e12 No.521799

>>521631

>not a bullpup

>not belt-fed

>not chambered for a general purpose cartridge

>not optimised for mass production with as many stamped parts as possible


543ff5 No.521817

>>521786

the 1A2 is not a fal you crypto fascy who serves our leftist government, comrade


2bc760 No.521833

>PERFECT RIFLE

M-16 compromise ass-end charging, muh forward assist so i can SPORTS, HBAR, awful bolt release.

recoil springs like a Daewoo is nice, not innovative though.

I see design by cargo cult committee and hooknose marketeering.


cc3853 No.521851

File: b67c8674d35a324⋯.png (406.73 KB, 699x699, 1:1, 1469486560421.png)

>>521833

>muh forward assist

Go away InRangeTv.


2bc760 No.521859

>>521851

go away john lebowitz. I learned about how retarded the FA is from an AR designer, and from use, decade ago.

instantly transform an ammo failure into a trip to the gunsmith with this one simple trick!


d69107 No.521864

People keep saying that the AR platform has inherent issues, but what are they? Assuming we're sticking with 223 I think we have pretty much hit a high point in systems aside from possibly a bull pup with good ergonomics and accuracy that isn't expensive, heavy, or unreliable. Any mentioned problems and subsequent improvements would be minute I think.

To make a true "best rifle" (again 223 assumed which in reality is probably far from it) something absolutely recognizably innovate would have to be done while maintaining the AR's weight, accuracy, reliability and other good characteristics.


2bc760 No.521868

>>521864

minor ergo and usage issues, few of which this Sig addresses.

bullpups are the future of 1950 and are worse at everything but being shorter, which they are good at. and ambi stuff, sometimes. rdb is top shelf, if keltec didn't make grasping surfaces out of toy plastic and 100 wood screws.


dd222c No.521870

>>521685

Just look at the fucking bolt (especially the Gen 1 version). It's an AR with the recoil system modified so that the bore axis recoil concept is ruined plus a fancy gas block that uses a captive, spring rod to punch the gas key (now just a solid part) instead of gas itself.

Where in the fuck is there any AK at all in that design?


bcecc7 No.521872

>>521859

>instantly transform an ammo failure into a trip to the gunsmith with this one simple trick!

>being this much of an inrange shill

>>521864

>People keep saying that the AR platform has inherent issues, but what are they?

just my thoughts

>buffer tube

>can't finger release the bolt hold open

>having a 90 degree throw for the selector (i'd prefer 45 degrees)

>lol staked gas key

>the fucking gas key

>why is this fucking two parts

>shoehorning a short stroke in there then suffering carrier tilt

>castle nut

>bolt carrier group hitting the buffer tube lip

>small springs

>charging handle should be ambidextrous i feel like it could be somewhere better without effecting it keeping the elements out of the gun

>square locking lugs meme

>5.56mm/.223

about it from my knowledge. the selector lever and controls are in a pretty good spot when you account for other designs. i don't know why fucking no one can make a selector lever that doesn't rub your index knuckle.


280bcb No.521874

File: 1f2bd97d48550af⋯.png (277.75 KB, 2000x800, 5:2, Best Raifu.png)

>>521631

BEST RAIFU COMING THRU


dd222c No.521875

>a selector lever that doesn't rub your index knuckle.

Wait, what? Do you mean ambi selectors rubbing right handed shooters?


bcecc7 No.521877

>>521875

yes. on some rifles they either gimp the ambi selector or they just don't fucking care if it rubs or not.


e38509 No.521926

File: 99a6b4fa678e199⋯.jpg (40.28 KB, 684x322, 342:161, desert tech mdr.jpg)

>>521874

That fucking peashooter breh, are you joking? Let me show you a real gun.




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