/k/ - Weapons

>>519938

Report back, I wonder what weapons the shooters are using.

Damn, that sucks, I live in Las Vegas. I hope nobody I know was there.

It's really Battlefield Vegas tonight.

niggers because they usually cause bullshit at fairs.

frog news reports deads in the hundreds.

Shooter has been ID'ed as some litteral antifa pedo cuck. People are angry.

inb4 Civil War round two?

With catalogna getting hers too, this may be the start of a happening

I mean, if this and a nuke flying past tokyo. twice does not trigger any kind of conflict, I'm officially giving up shooting for knitting.

Did Vegas have different gun laws than the rest of Nevada, or am I misremembering? I thought I heard somewhere that Vegas's laws were stricter, but a brief search claimed that Nevada restricts cities' power to enact gun control.

Anyone know if the hotel or the festival was "gun-free"?

On the radio as I was driving this morning they played an audio clip purporting to be of the shooting, and it sounded like the weapon was automatic. News like >CNN is reporting that it was indeed automatic, but who knows.

>>519965

Our news was saying ~50 dead.

Got an English-language source on the ID? I've seen a name but a quick search didn't turn up anything suggesting any motive. I wouldn't doubt it though; that seems like the obvious motive when a country music festival is targeted.

>>519966

Definitely an automatic weapon.

>>519965

>>519966

So far, the local sheriff has said 50+ dead and 200+ wounded, subject to change. The fire sounds: auto, rifle cartridge(likely intermediate), and suppressive/area fire. It seems likely that he sprayed into the concert crowd as much as he could; I've heard he had multiple rifles(as many as 8). The maddow obsessed antifa fag was the (ex?)husband of the flip woman the police were looking for and the shooter is her roomate(lover?). All things considered, it looks like this was planned a fair bit and the fact that the concert targeted was country music points to anti-Trump/anti-conservative points toward lefty-faggot shooter. /pol/-anons are digging as hard as they can for info about the identified shooter and he seems to be a relative ghost, electronically. A push for gun control is starting to begin, with faggots claiming semi-autos are piss easy to convert to full-auto. (((Somehow))), the fact that someone who can convert semi to auto could just make their own MG never comes up. Expect "high-capacity magazine ban" to be brought up.

>>519953

More like Rainbow 6 Vegas

>>519968

to clarify auto: it didn't sound like someone pulling a trigger but, perhaps something like a gat-crank.

>>519965

>Frogs saying antifa pedo cuck

Please tell me they indeed used words like lefty and antifa because us media is just going on and on about "muh innocent people seeking auto bullets".

Afraid shit will get pushed to tje side like when the anti trump guy shot up that baseball game with senator's playing

>>519976

More like Trump will have a choice he will either cave in and listen to anti gunners or ignore it

>>519977

If he starts to support gun control he can say goodbye to a second term

>>519966

>>519965

>antifa

seriously?

Links? Evidence? msm is saying he was "just a guy." I suppose that is evidence enough to prove he is one of them, but still…links?

just listened to the videos

sounded like it was full-auto and more than 1 shooter

>>519968

>madow obsessed

link?

>>519987

That was the female of interest's (ex?)husband, not the shooter. The identified shooter is near a ghost; IS is claiming he converted a few months back and it was a snackbaring. Converts are often the most radical; the woman is Indonesian not flip, btw.

i wouldn't be surprised if this was the act of the Feds.After all, this is SO convenient for the left that this happened when we were on the Cusp of the Share act passing.

>>519990

SAGA act too

>>519989

Indonesian, as in a country in which IS claims they have "cells in every province"?

IS is possible, I suppose. Compatible with the target, since musical instruments are haram, country music is particularly American, Las Vegas is a beacon of Western sin and degeneracy, and there were at least a couple other Islamic attacks lately like Edmonton. IS ties would also give an explanation for how he got a full auto, given the $15,000 price tag or however much it costs now for conventional legal routes.

>>519990

Have lefties been talking about that Act? A lefty who already wanted to do something like this, heard about the act, and decided to time his move accordingly seems far more believable than a false flag unless SHARE has flown completely under the radar outside pro-gun circles. Or even the IS suggestion, for that matter; it's strongly in their interests to foment political discord and pushed for disarmament within the US.

>>519992

Apparently, IS threatened San Fran and Las Vegas in one of their latest videos.

>>519992

Lefties claim suppressors makes incredibly easy for assassins to shoot unarmed African-American college students without anybody noticing.

So is this guy the new high score champion?

In all seriousness, though, shit sucks, and this is why I don't go to concerts or outside, not because I'm a hikki-neet.

>>519995

>So is this guy the new high score champion?

he is only miss america, breivik still has higher killscore

do we know yet what weapons were used? i heard many theories ranging from rpk, some ak pattern to mk 48

>>519996

Well, the kill count is 50 so far. As for the weapons, some people are claiming he used some sort of gat crank. I'd be surprised if he used an actual MG. Police found 10 different rifles in his room.

>>519997

Variable fire rate indicates a couple of things possible:

1 bad quality, illegal conversion of semi auto via trigger pack

2 rapid fire stock or other modification on semi auto firearm

3 very, very hot gas system from continuous fire

My guess is AR 15 with bump fire stock or crank system and drum mags

>>519997

>>519999 (Fuckin checked!)

Spot on and nice quads

>>519999

I can't currently listen to it, but another thing to think about would be weapon heat on a closed bolt system, since that also speeds up the rate of fire. If it's just inconsistent, then it probably is not operating under the traditional definition of full-auto.

This is dangerous lads, Republican controlled congress means they can pass gun control and no one will notice. Republicans are traitors as much as the dems and they have historically always been quiet supporters of gun control. Keep an eye on them, they will stab you in the back if they think they can get away with it.

>>520004

Incoming Songbird

I'm rooting for the cancer.

>>520004

Of course they will, but we'll have true believers telling us not to doubt because daddy Trump will surely not cut a deal.

Anyone taking bets on weapon(s) used?

>stolen dealer sample

>NFA transferable

>not-actually-automatic (slidefire, gatcrank, et al)

>???

>>520005

>Songbird

Seriously how long does brain cancer fucking take to get rid of that asshole? Fucker shouldn't even be able to speak his brain is so cancer addled yet he still goes around "I'm a veteran republicans vote for me also more mexicans please"

>>520008

add

>Auto lifted from police

to that list.

>>520001

Good point!

fire rate is very inconsistent, ten shots per one second seem to be the average though

>>519997

Is it just me, or does it sound like it could be two guns, one fired continuously and another fired intermittently, like he's sticking two out the window and blasting or something.

>>520012

I think thats just the echo

>>520012

I played the video at 0.2x speed to count the bullets and I think it is just one gun

but who am I to judge

and also:

pol is already suggesting its a false flag :P

I'm out have a nice day/night

>>520015

yeah, possible. That's a lot of variation in the ROF then.

/pol/ always says false flag. Their evidence so far is a lack of any real gore photos.

>>520016

That wouldn't even make it a false flag though. A false flag would be a Fed running in, shouting "fuck niggers" and opening fire, i.e. the flag under which he fought was a false.

Nonsense about crisis actors is not a false flag. They use the term so much, you'd think they'd at least know what it means.

>>520015

>>520016

They're ALL falseflags.

>>520018

/pol/ was destroyed by its mods

i could explain further but its not time or place.

now /pol/ is reddit. same mods, same people.

>>519997

Well the ROF is inconsistent so it could be SMG (AFAIK the only weapons with a varying ROF depending on how much pull you put on the trigger are SMGs) or it could be as >>520012 said and it's two guns, one with the constant ROF we hear first and a second in short controlled bursts. Though malfunctioning full auto guns can have variations (several older weapons are famous for that, the M2 most notably, you can tell something is wrong by ear)

Doesn't sound like an AK or an AR though but that might just be the recording.

>>520016

>Their evidence so far is a lack of any real gore photos.

Why would there be any? Between the MSM/youtube/twitter/etc blackout on gore, the fact it's shot at night, and the simple reality that you will never see lots of blood due to bullets wounds unless they hit major blood vessels I would be more surprised if we actually had lots of photos with people bloodied all over…

>>520026

>Why would there be any?

Because there is a hundred videos from people within, and outside the crowd throughout the entirety of the gun fire? You're assuming too much.

>>519997

He was using a crank, then. You can tell how it slows with rearward travel and speeds up with the forward and downward turn.

It explains the inaccuracy (only about 300 hit out of the entire group) atop the stupidly long range he's firing.

That doesn't explain why he had 10 guns in his room, though.

Only a white man could effectively and tactically achieve this level of destruction. 500 injured? Hes a one man army literally.

Niggers and arabs are to dumb to achieve this even when trying. Idgaf about rich spoiled brats at a "country" music thing.

Besides that its very possible the Feds were fingering this guy or brainwashing him to do something. Feds do that type of thing alot and it works well for them almost everytime with no real backlash.

Regardless they will come for the guns now harder than ever. Better get ready with tactical planning for the day /k/ because if you don't shoot first you might aswell die anyway.

>>520029

Learn how to format your posts, you illiterate monkey.

>>520030

Dont make me crash this board with no survivors.

>>519937

Liberals are already calling for more gun control, and blaming it on "white" terrorism.

Because a "white" terrorist in their eyes would for sure shoot up a country music festival.

They seem to ignore that when people call these Muslim attacks terrorist attacks, it's because of three things.

They did it in the name of their religion, they shouted out their agenda during the attack, and an actual terrorist organization took credit for it.

>>520003

I think there is a strong possibility that at least 25% of those deaths are from being trampled. Place was crowded as fuck and people panicked hard

>>520037

Wouldn't doubt it; there have been much higher scores from stampedes alone.

Hillary banging on about silencers and shit.

>>520040

Ya the 515 injured is 100% for sure mostly people being trampled. But for now and forever we are gonna hear cry babies cry about HOW DA CRAZY WHITE MAN SHOOT 550 PEOPLES WIT A MACHINE GUN

>>520041

For all we know he could've been using a jury rigged suppressor to dampen muzzle flash. Nobody were reporting flashes in the window.

I'd really like to see what he used. If it was some garage nigger rig, the whole anti-gun narrative will fall apart.

>>520047

I think people did see flashes. If he used a suppressor omfg it would be hilarious because it would destroy the narrative of Democrats right now.

>>520046

Damn, admittedly most of those people in that crowd at least look decent. Pisses me off more than anything, a few of the older dad-looking guys look like they went with their kids. Fucking sucks to think about.

>>520049

Ouch, that hit me in the feels ;_;

>>520049

It was a large country concert. It's probably a bunch of people from the South midwest

Heard reports that he has multiple properties and that FBI are heading to them now. Guy seems wealthy enough that he might be using legitimate NFA weapons. Would kinda destroy antigunners arguments has he HAD jumped through all the loops they want in place.

>>520052

>Implying they won't move the goalposts

What do you mean there are hoops you can jump through? SHUT IT DOWN.

>>520053

True true, the side effect of an outright ban argument is that they can't perform a death by 1000 cuts strategy like they have in the past.

Instead of having their weasel position of "oh we only want more background checks" then two years later "we only want reasonable registration" Skipping straight to the BAN IT ALL talk makes it easier to identify and push back against.

>>520052

Antigunners are under the impression guns are literally unregulated in the US. Most of them genuinely believe you can go to Wal-Mart and buy an assault rifle for $200.

Their response to shootings will never be "the regulations didn't work"; it will always be "current measures don't go far enough".

>>520055

What this leaf said is right, for once. If you actually think they'll magically drop all regulations because of this instead of just adding heavier ones I dunno what to tell you.

>>520056

>>520055

Hold up, not saying they are going to ditch their gun control efforts, of course they aren't. Even if the smartest man in the world did the most in depth research ever and concluded that no gun laws are actually better they would still be against it.

What I am saying is that to those who aren't already ideologues their arguments will not be as effective, as they are essentially being forced to outright say they want a full ban on guns.

>>520026

>Well the ROF is inconsistent

We need to find the longest video of the beginning of the shots to the end. ROF will change if he's shooting an automatic rifle and it gets so hot it ends up melting shit and fucking with the gas system.

Maybe he only stopped after he melted a gun on full auto?

>>520071

We have plenty of videos of when he started shooting, there is a video of Dan Bilzerian running from the stage area and gunfire is still occurring. So maybe like 10 minutes of shooting at best? I imagine he would realize he needs to get out really fast.

>Reports of gunshots at USC

inb4 some faggot lesbian dance theory major heard a car backfire and thought it was a gunshot.

>>520073

but he stayed up there till then end and then an hero'd. He wasn't going nowhere

>>520074

Wouldn't be surprised if it was just gang violence. USC is right in the middle of the ghetto. You have this nice park, college campus buildings, museums, and then a block away it's nigger central.

>>520074

https://twitter.com/LAPDHQ/status/914943030519488513

Yep

>>520075

Sorry I was talking about the instagram star with tons of guns realizes he had to run as soon as shooting started. So by the time he started recording it shouldn't have been very long after the first shots were fired

>>519950

Obligatory, "He can't keep getting away with it!" post.

>>520028

i've never heard of a crank being able to fire like that though. Besides, why the fuck would anyone want one of those stupid gats when they can get a binary trigger system that's superior in every way?

if he was using a ghostgun, prepare your angus. We're going to see some doggo shooting shit.

>>520028

this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrE1-wSWQKc

>>520080

>i've never heard of a crank being able to fire like that though

The ROF is inconsistent, matching the pattern of a hand-cranked system.

>why

Baby Boomers think it's cool at the range.

>>520084

The rate of fire would also be consistent with a firearms that is melting down.

>>519997

That kinda sounds like VEPR

>>520085

I don't know if you're willfully ignorant or just in denial - https://youtu.be/jif4Wo0LDX8?t=1m52s

The inconsistency was present from the beginning, and even then it would take about 250 rounds for it to foul up like that. He fired about 300 total when adding up video evidence.

>>520086

Wall Street Journal are saying Investigators found several fully automatic weapons in the room.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/las-vegas-suspect-likely-used-automatic-rifle-in-massacre-1506966716?mg=prod/accounts-wsj

>Investigators found 18 to 20 firearms, some fully automatic

>>520087

I could understand having a few backup guns depending on how long you plan on holding out, but 20 firearms seems excessive for an individual last stand. Was he planning on others joining him?

>>520087

News is reporting "converted" semi-auto rifles. Rifles in .223(I assume 5.56 in actuality) and .308 amongst the weapons. Maybe he nigger-rigged multiple rifles together and that's why there were so many.

>>520090

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If it's true he was a complete novice he didn't completely know what he was doing.

>>520091

Can you give an example of this reporting?

>>520090

>implying there werent more shooters

Seriously, think about it, he was found dead, with fuckton of guns with shooting nests in 2 different rooms. He could as well just be a sacrifice so they wouldnt go after other guys. Also how the fuck could he afford 20 full autos.

Also for fuck sake it was almost 1 day and we still dont have official data on what gun was used. What in the fuck, are they hiding it for some reason ? there should be photos or at least a cop with big mouth talking about it.

>>520046

>>520049

>>520050

49 seconds in, couple embracing eachother, not knowing if its their last moment together

>>520028

I don't know anything about cranks, but now that you mention it, that is what it sounds like to me.

>>520094

>how could he afford

he was an accountant, and brother says he was wealthy, playing 100 dollar hands of poker. CNN says they found even more guns in his home.

>it's almost 1 day

Poland can't math. It's been just a little over half a day.

>>520093

Just that it's been on FBN(Fox Business Network). IIRC, their source is the sheriff's office.

I had a thought, this fag worked for a precursor of the current lockheeb martin, what do you think are chances he might've been a machinist back then('85-'88)?

>>520098

insufficent data, as with fucking everything.

>>520096

>Poland can't math. It's been just a little over half a day.

Considering that shooting started when i woke up and now im going to bed then yes, 1 day passed.

hearing more

>hurr durr 2nd amendment meant single shot muskets

Point out to them that the Puckle Gun was designed in 1718 and shit like the Nock Gun were around during the Revolution and they block you.

>>520101

Just say that freedom of the press does not apply to today's Mass Media.

Does anyone have the location of his property? I can look up data on the property itself and (maybe) if he owned any other ones.

In case you guys don't realize, this guy has gone well past Omar's high score by at least ten people, and if you include the injured as half a point each the tally gets pretty huge. Kinda puts it into perspective. They were talking about that club shooting for a year solid. I really wonder what'll result out of this.

>>520087

I stand corrected.

He's also a multi-million dollar investor, an accountant, and is known to own two houses.

Really unless it's an angry mid-life crisis or some personal problems, there's no motive right now. Unless you buy Alex Jones saying he had ANTIFA literature on him and pictures of himself in the middle east.

>>520103

>The Founding Fathers never had 24 hour news coverage. The video camera hadn't even been invented yet.

BAN ASSAULT JOURNALIST

>>520109

Just spread that the guy killed those people because he hated trump.

>>520110

>hated trump

Have we got any definite information on this guy yet? The /pol/ threads are a train wreck. Is he actually a lefty?

>>520101

Don't forget the Girandoni.

>>520111

Just word of mouth people saying they saw his facebook or some shit.

There is some evidence that fake trump supporters on twitter followed him immediately after his attack though.

>>520113

Oh I didn't. I listed off like 6 or 7 examples.

Per the Sheriff:

>had scopes on multiple rifles

>he used more then one

>doesn't think he used them all

>>520115

No official word yet on what they were, or how he achieved that rate of fire?

>>520116

Other then WSJ saying that investigators found full-auto, no.

Sheriff said that they still need to open them all up and inspect them.

NEWS UPDATE

https://twitter.com/HouseJudDems/status/914959552570888192

>House Judiciary Democrats are telling Ryan to pull Silencer Bill from House Floor

CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES NOW

>>520116

Looks pretty clear he illegally converted guns.

https://archive.is/aO0IE

https://archive.is/3q5ev

>>520111

>we know that his wife's exhusband is very lefty

>he likely registered as a democrat in Florida(he lived in Melbourne and the first last name match)

>He bought at least 30 guns through dealers

>He owned multiple properties in NV

>They found Ammonium Nitrate in his vehicle and tannerite at one of his properties

>Multiple electronic devices seized from properties will hopefully establish motive

>He was too prepared for this to be a rash decision; it is likely that he targeted this event on purpose.

We'll get more around prime-time I'd bet. Alex Jones claimed that sources(allegedly the doorkickers) told him the hotel room contained Antifa literature/materials.It's filterman so it must be taken with a big grain of salt.

>>520120

The photos are lo-res enough it could be any old white guy.

>>520119

>>520120

He was a leftist, but I think it's too soon to see if he was an Antifa member. Although he was definitely a supporter.

>>520122

/pol/ at it's finest detective work.

>>520092

Actually, a true novice would have had only one gun, not realizing the amount of ammo he was about the throw out would destroy the gun.

>>520125

Neither would I. I hope he was and that Antifa supports him openly, that'll wake up so many people

>>520126

Good point.

Honestly the idea that he's a Libshit SOUNDS good. Buys a lot of guns and attacks a crowd that will likely be full of Trump supporters to both take out his frustration and an attempt to force congress into dropping legislation like the SHARE act and maybe passing more regulation.

The problem is. I NEED SOME GOD DAMN EVIDENCE.

How has no one mentioned lightning links? Cheap as shit and easy as piss to make, especially if the bit about him being a machinist >>520098 is true.

>>520013

Right window was probably stray shots from the SWAT team judging by the irregular shape and the curtain being forced out.

>>520131

>>520106

>multi-millionare (and the lifestyle it implies)

>accountant

>gambler

More than a small chance he got himself up to his eyeballs in debt

>>520132

This one is in German but near the end he fires it without the lightning link and then with it.

>>520135

SWEDISH holy shit sorry, he's speaking Swedish.

>>520121

>It would sound like it was reloading and then it would go again

That's obviously impossible.

You can't reload in the middle of a shooting; that's why they try to ban assault clips.

>>520139

The funny thing is this is basically almost true in Commiefornia

Update: Fox News is saying that they've found a total of 35 firearms so far. Between his hotel room and his home.

>MSM is running this as, and I quote,

>'modified to fire ((like)) an automatic weapon'

My money says it's a gatcrank/slidefire with a drum/casket mag.

Expect calls for bans on 'high capacity' magazines and semi autos.

>>520147

He's doing a really good job at suicide prevention. I will never shoot myself because I refuse to let those assholes use my death as an excuse to take your guns away.

>>520147

Look at the murder rates, not the "gun violence" rates. What they call gun deaths is about half suicides. Look at the murder rates and rates of violent crime over time in UK and AU before and after the major bans. For that matter, look at crime before after and during the 1994 AWB. I could go on.

>>520147

Comparing a country the size of a single state, in both scale and population, is desperation.

The majority of gun deaths are suicides and gang shootings. The former due to shitty mental healthcare and the latter due to shitty economic decisions(taxes & public schools) of the Democrat party pushing their cities to ruin.

>>520147

>2)

<why does this pertain to your argument

>the majority commits the majority of X

>this is a reason why we should ban guns

<doesn't explain the why

>starting to get of making an argument

<just deaths, not actual violence or murders

D-

>>520143

I'm pretty sure the report said, "Weapons," not "firearms."

>>520147

America is also the world leader in shark attacks, and has more than all of Europe combined. American policies on shark safety should be more like the UK's.

>>520143

>>520154

Archive? Reuters only reported that he had 10+ guns.

>>520158

There's separate articles, plenty of them have confirmed the 13-ish number of FIREARMS, but there was a Fox article saying 30-something WEAPONS, which could include cutlery.

>>520147

>Deaths by firearm, per 1 million people

If they want to play this game, remind them that 80% of these murders are the result of gang violence. If you completely remove cities (and their melanin-enriched residents) from the equation, we're at levels lower than even gunless European countries.

>>520158

Doorkickers found "about 19" in the hotel room, and that he switched between several.

Should wait until the dust clears before citing, though.

>>520167

that seriously doesn't sound like a crank to me, it sounds more like this

>>520169

The video in >>519997 is the one that sounds like a crank.

>>520147

>editing out the name

REDDIT TIER

>>520117

>>House Judiciary Democrats are telling Ryan to pull Silencer Bill from House Floor

LIKE CLOCKWORK

>>519937

https://archive.is/5CquI

WEW. That's not saying the congress controlled by reps who are bought out might not do anything I expect trump to get impeached if they try and pass something and he vetos.

>>520169

but the ROF is lower and it's a more bassy sound.

>>520172

Isn't interesting as fuck that Clinton attacked the suppressor bill before the bodies had yet to hit the floor?

"

Gun owners shouldn't be punished for the act of a deranged anti-trump person."

>>520172

Isn't interesting as fuck that Clinton attacked the suppressor bill before the bodies had yet to hit the floor!?

"

Gun owners shouldn't be punished for the act of a deranged anti-trump person."

I usually shy away from /pol/ and their conspiracy bullshit. But some of the facts we have right now just don't add up real well.

Until a year ago this guy barely ever touched guns. He had, according to his brother, two handguns and a hunting rifle. Now suddenly he's got upwards of 19 firearms or more? Something smells bad….

>>520181

And we don't have a picture, or even model names, of a single thing recovered from the hotel room.

Or a good explanation of why TWO windows were broken out.

Timing wise, this feels way too much like an inside job for political gain.

>>516999

That's the spirit we're looking for.

>>519939

Fully automatic AR-15. A weapon which is illegal in the US. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-mass-shooting-weapons.html

>>520189

Not entirely true. You can drop registered M16 parts into an AR15

>>520207

kek, get a load of this guy. He thinks Republicans care about gun rights! Haha!

Just heard on the radio that the authorities have announced that he'd used a device to allow his semi automatic to fire full auto, which means it's probably a lightning link'd AR.

>>520211

>Just heard on the radio that the authorities have announced that he'd used a device to allow his semi automatic to fire full auto

he was a machinist. also he is an old dog. he could have got lightning links before the feds went down hard on them.

>>520209

They are cucks no doubt, but midterms are coming. Passing anti-gun laws would be suicide.

>>520215

Have you seen some of the stuff at pol?

8ch.net/pol/res/10697899.html#10697899

TFW too newfag to figure how to link to other boards. Also, sage for off topic.

If we can find his address in Texas I can swing by the house or look at if he owns any other ones in the Dallas County Area.

>>520216

Here, let me spoon feed you: >>>/pol/10697899

I blame moot, he made URLS auto-transform into proper board links on 4chan, and a whole new wave of Redditors never learned how an imageboard is supposed to work, and that lack of knowledge spilled over to here.

>>520215

>They would never risk their seat!

What an idiotic idea whenever passing massive and sweeping gun control might win them a goldman sachs or Amazon tier retirement plan.

America is a whore. What America have you been in? Not the one I live in. Voting doesn't matter. Trump should have proved this to you know. Hes done more for the Jews than he will ever for you.

>>520222

Don't get complacent in those trips. but no seriously, fatigue is what your enemy wants here.

>>520222

>Australia never happened

Sandy Hoax was fake, thats why nothing happened at the federal level. This is different. 500+ wounded or killed. Are you so stupid do you not think this is our Austrialia moment?

No shooting in American history compares here and your still sitting there laughing like a fool.

Honestly, we both know you will hand em in if you even own guns. Most /k/ucks are just pretenders and weekend warriors and have no interest in a real fight.

>>520225

True, complacency is bad, but I'm not about to give into concern trolling and running around screaming that the sky is falling here.

>>520228

Australia doesn't have the 2nd Amendment.

>Sandy Hoax was fake

True

>thats why nothing happened at the federal level.

False. Nothing happened because Republicans controlled enough of Congress to make sure Obongo couldn't get his hands on a bill to sign.

>500+ wounded or killed.

300 of those just got a bruise of a scrape from hitting the deck or getting walked over. "Injury" numbers are inflated for effect.

>Are you so stupid do you not think this is our Austrialia moment?

49 people died in a gay night club, nothing happened.

>Honestly, we both know you will hand em in if you even own guns.

And the mask slips, here is the noguns faggot trying to discourage us. Into the filter you go.

>>520230

>he is still stuck in the Red Vs Blue paradigm

Hand your guns in cuck. I wouldn't let you into my militia even if you let me fist your boi pussi every night and sucked the cum from my cucumber.

>>520090

The fire was staggered with fairly longish pauses between the bursts. There were multiple firearms, was it possible he was switching between them instead of reloading?

I think the police will be investigating who was staying in neighboring rooms but its nonsensical to assume he was shifting between different rooms with that many guns in one room.

>>520236

Two windows were broken, so the pause can also be him moving between the two positions, making it harder to figure out the exact source of fire.

>>520211

Apparently he had bumpfire stocks on two of the ARs.

welp

boomers fucked us over with faux-auto and by shooting at innocent people

>>520243

Were they on the ones he used? If not, irrelevant.

>>520244

>>520249

It doesn't matter - if it can be confirmed, people will start bitching about them instead of lightning links and the ATF might step in and change their mind about their legality, novelty and impracticality be damned.

>>520253

If the ATF did that it would be to our advantage. Do you know how many of those there are in the wild?

The last ATF approval retroactive revocation of released product was the Streetsweeper, and they had to track down every owner and give them a free registration. That was when Clinton was president and he controlled the secretary of the treasury (so worst case scenario he could declare an extremely limited amnesty under GCA to make everything legal) and with a gun that didn't sell that well and hadn't been out that long. The paperwork alone would be a nightmare.

They would have to give every owner a free machine gun registration for an AR15 (which all would all promptly have the stock break and a third hole drilled) or the ATF and NFA get beat over the head with the takings clause. Win for us.

>>520177

And that pissed me off more than anything. I doubt anyone would've even made the connection to the Hearing Protection Act, at least not in the critical period that dooms a bill, if not for sadistic cunts like her who see an opportunity before the bodies are cold. And I could easily see the GOP backing down on this; pretty much any congressman is concerned about favorability and optics at all costs, despite all of them ranking in favorability somewhere between loan sharks and pedophiles. Maybe that will change in 2018, maybe not. I think we'll see it before long, though. Even if they can the bill, they can sneak it back in after a year.

>>520228

>Sandy Hoax was fake, thats why nothing happened at the federal level. This is different.

Why would the government go through all the effort to organize a hoax to accomplish nothing legislatively? The blowback for the discovery would be legendary. You wouldn't do it if you aren't absolutely sure you'll get the result you're looking for. If anything it's the opposite - a hoax would produce results, an organic shooting wouldn't.

I also think body count this time around won't really change any opinions about gun grabbing. The managerial class cares less about this one than Sandy Hook and the Pulse Nightclub, hoaxes or not, as evidenced by that cunt that got fired by CBS - it was just Republicans getting shot, they all say. They want to erase the 2nd Amendment, and always will, but this isn't the catalyst for them to actually try. I expect Nevada to cuck hard on gun laws but not the federal government. At most the ATF gets serious about semi-auto hacks and the Hearing Protection Act gets tabled.

>>520255

I don't want to say it, but the ATF did you a favor with that one.

>>519998

The number of found rifles has been bumped up to 23 and one report says 2 of them were in tripods

>>520219

I don't usually post links but thanks mate.

>>520262

Would Nevada do a flip to cuck itself hard enough? Is there enough of a republican majority to oppose it?

Someone needs to post the lighting links again in a month or so.

Inb4 ATF agent. Whens the last time we had a full-auto conversion of the AR in a shooting???

>>520267

You mean fitting a rifle in tripod? Is that even possible?

>Time for Texas to secede and set off a general civil war.

>>520269

Yeah tripod mounts are usually a thing for long range shooting

>>520269

Clark is ~50/50 'cause of the transplants but the rest of the state isn't buying gun control anytime in the foreseeable future.

>>520254

Oh, just remembered: It gets even better. ATF policy is "once a machine-gun, always a machine-gun". It isn't just one registered full auto AR per stock, it's every AR receiver that person owns. Hell, I'm sure plenty will milk it even further and claim they let their friends, parents, and neighbors try it on their AR. Retroactively classifying binary triggers and/or slidefire as making something into a machine-gun would add tens if not hundreds of thousands of full-auto ARs to the registry, which would be far better for us than their continued legality would be. That's before gun shops get bold and claim they put them in half the guns in inventory once.

>>520272

I thought you meant the gun was stuffed inside the tripod LOL.

Shame. Doesn't Nevada have pretty good gun laws? How come he didn't get stopped sooner?

>>520283

elevated position 500-600 yards away hid him enough it took metro a bit to locate him and echos off the buildings just obfuscated his position further, people a mile up the strip were reporting shots near them which took away search manpower and spread it over a much larger area.

>>520284

BAN ASSAULT ACOUSTICS!

BAN BABYKILLING URBAN ENVIRONMENTS!

DO YOU REALLY NEED THAT MANY PEOPLE AND BUILDINGS COMPACTED INTO ONE AREA?

>>520181

He was a senior student of Sam Hyde’s

Has anyone noticed in any of the bideos with clear view of the hotel and the mentioned broken windows there is no sign of flash. I doubt he is using flash suppression, or a suppressor as some people are trying to make you think. But towards the lower floors there is one room in particular with what seems to be a flashing light?

Even during pauses in the fire you can see the flashing.

>>520147

I'm looking forward to arguing with idiots.

>Hurr hurr, US has more firearm deaths than _____

>Yes, but if you take Democratically ruled shitholes with high gun control out of that equation, and remove every single black from the statistics, the US has a similar firearms related homicide rate to Belgium, despite still having the most civilian firearms of any country.

>B-but, guns kill people!

>Not unless someone pulls the trigger

>They make it easier to kill people!

>Yes. Correct. So do knives, clubs, sharp sticks, sharp rocks, motorvehicles like the one that Somali Muslim used in Edmonton, or all the other Muslims in Europe, as well as raw muscle. The difference, is that when I am pointing a gun at a crackhead who's trying to burglarize me, they don't really feel like escalating the situation. They want a meth injection, not a lead injection.

>[cognitive dissonance]

>You are a fucking idiot, and I want you to know that YOU are the reason that things like these happen.

>>520105

Not as much because it wasn't gays.

>>520290

Since the flashing continues during the breaks in fire, then that's not the shooter. Unless, are you using that as an example that we should be able to see something on the 32nd floor because we can see this light on the 4th? Perhaps he was set up pretty far away from the window, and no one's camera angle is able to detect the flashes.

>>520305

>inb4 semantics over brace/stock

bump-fire stock in third pic

>>520130

but he was found dead when they found him, why would they shoot into corpse?

additionally its not the same room (probably)

shooter could as well make them himself, its not like he didnt have guns to shoot throught it

>>520305

FUCKING FINALLY

WHAT TOOK THEM SO LONG

>>520310

They had to figure out which guns they want banned.

>>520305

One .308 and one 5.56 w/ bump fire stock. Caliber and mag ban soon fellow STALKERs

>>520304

>Being that weak willed in your principle

It's not like this is even a surprise, I've been waiting for basically this exact situation to happen for 20 fucking years now. No shit someone was eventually going to take an elevated position hundreds of yards away from a mass gathering. Even then, this mother fucker threw THOUSANDS of rounds of ammo at a crowd of 20,000 tightly packed people. This doesn't show the need for gun control, this show how badly overstated the effectiveness of guns are. The guy could have run into the crowd with a suit made of knives and killed as many people. He could have Hijacked a semitruck and drove it right though and killed SO MANY more people. Unless they come out and say 90% of all the injured were almost dead from gunfire, then this basically proves that guns are about the worst way to go about mass killing. The only reason it's anywhere near as deadly as it was was because they didn't even tell anyone they were being shot at, security fucking escorted the singer off the stage, and people had to FIGURE OUT those "cracks" weren't fireworks and were bullets.

>>520319

> He could have Hijacked a semitruck and drove it right though and killed SO MANY more people

Case in point, the Nice truck killed 86 and injured 458, comparable to but notably worse than this. And I suspect this crowd was denser so a truck attack would have been worse than Nice.

>>520320

If the FBI wanted to kill a bunch of they they would have loaded a dump truck up with what the OK bomber used.

bye bumpfire

bye silencers

gunnazis btfo

>Nigger interviewed on radio

>Everyone though it was fireworks

>Security eventually escorts the band off stage

>Everyone stands around confused

>Still here "fireworks" going off

>Nigger finally realizes they're being shot at

>Gets his family the fuck out of there, yelling that they're being shot at

>People finally start reacting slowly

GUNS DIDN'T KILL THESE PEOPLE, COMPLETE INCOMPETENCE DID

>>520325

527 and counting injuries is probably because so many people were trampled in a stampede. These concerts usually only have one way in and out to keep vagrants out.

I remember that one of our bombing campaigns in China led to like a thousand deaths because the Chinese aren't civilised and can't walk out of a shelter without pushing and trampling over each other

>be burger

>wear cowboy hat and drink piss bear

>go to country festival

>hear clapping

>get shot

American as fuck

>>520327

>>520305

I did not even notice the 50 round mag.

>>520325

>COMPLETE INCOMPETENCE DID

normalfags. what did you expect?

>>520331

>hear some cracks near me, pretty loud

>this is fucking annoying what the fuck, kids with their fireworks

>some guy drops to the floor, can see blood

>hahahah what a drunk idiot

>singer is taken off stage

>what the fuck, hes using lip sync, fucking faggot

>get shot

>die

>>520333

>>some guy drops to the floor, can see blood

>>hahahah what a drunk idiot

Since when did drunks start collapsing on the spot and spontaneously bleed out?

>>520334

tbh i saw weirder things when walking around town

>>520335

You need license to fish in yurop.

>>520336

You do in New York state as well in the US

>>520335

You need a fisher's pass to fish. this man didn't have it and got fined, probably

>>520352

>Politicians say what they mean

>Muh archive

Hang your self.

>>520365

As has been pointed out just above, he's a negotiator.

What can "we" offer him that will keep new gun laws off the table? What evidence might we send the president's way that gun control means using both hands?

This isn't really a case, like a handgun killing, where the victim-crowd being armed would have shortened the encounter.

What IS the best change to reduce the likelihood of this happening again? Outside maybe of allowing prayer in schools again (teaching atheism in schools encouraging a-moral lifestyles. If no one "above" can enforce righteousness, then this shooter got away scot free, and everyone knows it).

>>520361

Noice

>>520366

"We" can't do shit, we pretty much are stuck hoping that advisors close to him stress that stabbing gun owners in the back guarantees he does not win the next election. Hopefully he realizes that on his own, I mean he has at least been to a massive NRA rally.

>What IS the best change to reduce the likelihood of this happening again?

As of right now nothing, until we have motive the only thing we have is that a rich guy really broke the statistics and committed a massive crime.

Dangerous Freedom > Save Slavery

>>520366

Prayer is allowed in schools though. There's nothing stopping students from praying. It just isn't required.

Atheism isn't taught either. Contemporary religion isn't much mentioned either way.

>>520369

>Atheism isn't taught either.

I'll grant you this is a topic for another thread, maybe another board, but I've heard way too much this last decade that disagrees with your assertion.

>>520366

>What can "we" offer him that will keep new gun laws off the table?

we can offer not shooting him in the dick

>>520366

>What can "we" offer him that will keep new gun laws off the table?

Him being a one termer.

So how do we prevent another massacre without having to resort to more gun control?

>>520377

I think I'm going to side with >>520367

> Dangerous Freedom > Save Slavery

Or, as one person said of my post-apocalytpic utopia fiction piece, "An armed society is a polite society"

>>520379

>horse fucker

>>>/bog/

>>520380

Arryanne is topical, see? I'm doing my grammar-nazi duty. Which is cute, but not exactly useful right now. Much like the earth-pony mare pictured above.

Saging in hopes of getting back on topic.

>>520377

Better education and economic prosperity. So we're fucked.

>>520384

>Better education and economic prosperity

Did you check out how well off the shooter was? I mean, he had a rough childhood I imagine but his dad was home some of the time … teaching about larceny, confidence games, and how to spend millions of dollars legitimately.

I don't think more money would have solved this one.

>>520386

What I don't understand is why he had all that shit setup then just goes full an hero. I suspect its the same thing that happens when someone jumps off a bridge and instantly realizes they want to live, you just realized you murdered 50+ people and that you are doomed.

>>520386

Is that a note on the table in pic 4?

>>520388

could just be the hotel stationary – might well be blank, I can't tell for sure.

>>520389

yup it is blank

allright, this should help

>>520383

kill yourself horsefucker

>>520386

some anon on /pol/ suspected he had 1 target in the crowd and wanted to make it look like it was just a random act of violence. it sounds plausible but i'm not entirely sure. also where's the suicide pic from?

>>520392

>he had 1 target in the crowd and wanted to make it look like it was just a random act of violence

But why just not gun the person down in private? Hell if he had done that he may never of been caught! It's not like killing a bunch of people plus the person he hates saves his image, he is now an even bigger piece of shit in the eyes of everyone

>>520392

That's the most reasonable theory I've ever heard come out of /pol/

>>520394

that's why i said it sounds plausible. the motive i'm still standing behind is that he killed them cause they were white trump supporters most likely.

>>520397

kek i know. there are a few shills in the thread trying to prove that it was a false flag.

>>520394

He rich enough to pay off anyone if he wanted to gun them down in private.

>>520399

>>520391

I mean the guy on Fox has a good point, IF the photos of him at the pussy rallies are true and if he was left leaning. I think the sound conclusion is that there is a good chance he was targeting the other "side". The investigator also says he probably thinks this guy is smart so we probably aren't gonna to get a manifesto because that would too blatant.

My guess his he bought all these guns very quickly to make a point and murdered all those people to make a point, but not an overtly political one. He probably just wants people talking about gun control, because to be frank that topic has been dead in the US political scene for years now.

>>520403

That could make sense. If the goal was literally to get gun control enacted, shooting up a gun show or something wouldn't have worked, because that'd be way too blatant. But he can't shoot up a liberal/democratic meetup because those are his people. So he chooses a country music festival: Firmly on the right wing/conservative side, but not so hard that it's clear that he hated republicans/evil gun suppliers.

what funs?

>>520406

>>520406

I've read almost fifty (half the collection at home and half at the hotel) and the two most likely used were an ar 308 with optics and bipod and an ar15 with bumpfire stock (which explains the erratic ROF) and 100 round casket mag.

>>520404

With gun control as a motive, it also has the added bonus of >>520304

>>>520407

>I kept hearing ak's. Are the sandniggers still claiming he's theirs? Couldn't really tell what these were

>>>520386

Paul ryan goes beyond cuck

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/10/daniel-zimmerman/speaker-paul-ryan-pulls-share-act-consideration/

Share act is kill so far

I like /pol/ but the tiniest crumb of information gets instantly turned into wild theories

>>520207

next you'll say you can't start a war with Democrats in power

>>520366

>how can we sell out

NO.

>>520367

he's not going to quit stabbing us in the back

>>520399

if the only evidence we have is the choice of targets, that means you have to assume that was the motivation as a starting point, other theories require more evidence. If it was a guy wanting a high score, and if he really had lots of money, then he could have chosen other targets. The 'one specific target and the rest are cover' theory doesn't make sense under these circumstances.

>>520403

gun control hurts whites/rightwing, outright killing whites/rightwind is hurting them, so it's all the same. Thinking it was for gun control is kinda cart before the horse

>>520419

That's incorrect, I heard him talk and he did say "bump stock". Which isn't correct either, but isn't outright wrong.

>>520419

>bullpups increase RoF - No guns detected or a mis-translation

>>520423

Then it's the swedish journalists who are too busy bleaching their assholes for Achmed to research what they're reporting

>>520419

Confirming he said bump stock, that outlet isn't making a translation error, they are flat out lying.

>>520427

Or retarded journos who get 'temporary ptsd' from gunfire just simply don't know anything about the topic and through a combination of mishearing things and a low IQ 'bump stock' sounds slightly more reasonable to someone who doesn't know what a stock is than 'bumpfire stock'

>>520444

That gif makes me so uneasy

>>520446

That's about how I feel right now.

>>520315

I want to put a kid in that

>>520450

It's always puzzled me that there are men whose dicks can fit in those.

>>520380

It's funny because it's actually legal to suck off a horse in leafistan

>>520453

I was still young enough to be insulated from it in 2012. Oh well.

King Nigger was reelected, for one. We were still in recession seems possible that we'll have another quite soon.

>>520457

Trayboon

>>520457

>What else interesting happened in 2012?

Not all that gun-related, but Benghazi.

>>520461

Could be. Sure feels like it sometimes.

>>520482

IF the shooter was a fed we'll never hear the truth. Hoping its a LARP

>>520482

My thought is that you should go back to cuckchan

>>520147

> :^)

MY BRAND

Could there have been a private motive? Could Paddock have been holding money for someone else?

>>520482

I want this and the ensuing shitstorm to be real

>>520494

This is the right answer.

>>520483

>>520484

These are ATF/FBI agents.

>>520496

Bahaha i could never be a fed. They don't let people like me be a fed.

i know how fucked the alphabets are. Hell fucking google calls itself Alphabet Inc. Part of you hopes they weren't THAT fucking retarded.

I wonder if they will target the 80% lowers. Do we know if they have recovered any of those so far???

From the pictures he had well over twenty(20) 100 round magazines, cops say he had ~23 guns inside the room, and witnesses(including employees from a neighboring casino) say there were multiple shooters.

I think there's something up.

>>520504

No, they contacted one of the gun shops he bought ARs from. He didn't build them, he bought them stock and slapped optics on them.

>>520506

Also to note. The gloves he's wearing.

>>520389

>>520388

I'm usually on /v/ but I lurked /pol/ a bit for this incident. They were questioning the "suicide note" since it appeared to be affixed with high quality tape, like that green masking tape, or double-sided or whatever. They said it was "too organized"

The fact this guy had no military history or anything makes this pretty suspect with how much planning went into it, or he's just extremely lucky none of the thousands of variables that could have gone wrong didn't

I feel like it's more likely a similar scenario to the TKDR theatre shooting, trained operatives conduct massacre and then plant their fall guy, in this case they just suicided him

>>520511

>The fact this guy had no military history or anything makes this pretty suspect with how much planning went into it, or he's just extremely lucky none of the thousands of variables that could have gone wrong didn't

He had only bumpfired stocks, looks like he put scopes on the .308s, multiple magazines, I believe the suitcase on the ground was the magazine/ammo bag.

The amount of rifles he has is overkill. (will be used in the media to spin anti gun control measures)

If they find an ID on this guy then this very well may be a fucking port arthur

>>520482

>>520496

LARPers

Say bye to bump fire stocks.

>>520313

>Caliber and mag ban soon fellow STALKERs

A few steps into Canada, all the way to UK and later Brazil

>>520522

Ban assault hands !

>>520510

>They said it was "too organized"

That's retarded. He clearly prepared for this, much more thoroughly than most mass shooters seem to so I don't think his note being "too organized" is a sensible complaint. Just look at the way his mags are stacked. If he did leave a note he probably just didn't want it blowing out the fucking holes in the window, or onto the floor and landing in his blood and grey matter.

>>520511

I don't find it that far-fetched. The frequency with which things go poorly in other attacks usually seems to be more down to incompetence by the shooter Randy Stair lol rather than an attack being genuinely hard to pull off. If anything I'm surprised more attacks aren't like this one.

>>520511

It's not surprising at all, he wasn't some hormonal teen or obviously unhinged fanatic. He was a grown ass rich man, who was well known in the area. So him just casually being in town, with more luggage than usual was nothing to set off too many red flags.

If anything like I have stated before and others have pointed out >>520506 the shear amount of guns and mags in the room is probably him trying to hit every gun control fear mongers box so they push this shit really hard.

>>520551

>If anything I'm surprised more attacks aren't like this one.

It's because most attacks start from an emotional, deep seeded edgy hatred. They act on emotions and quickly. I'm getting some Texas Sniper vibes from this man.

>>520567

>There are people "surprised by his cunning and methodical planning"

>I've literally been expecting this mass shooting to happen since I was 13

>>520572

Ya no fucking joke, I don't think people realize that most shooters are just fucking idiots. It gets scary when you have a well established person who can do basic logic doing things.

>cops are saying he modified the bumpfire stock

So he put a spring in it, making it illegal anyway.

>>520526

his last words were "GET RAPED IN THE MOUTH"

truly terrifying

>>520580

>>520582

My slidefire is currently sitting on a rack and has not killed anyone yet.

I'm behind on fresh /k/ memes schedule, this bump-fire stock everyone is talking about is just essentially a spring in a tube, right?

Yeah, let's ban a spring in a tube, it will work for sure.

>>520592

it's just a loose stock that goes back and forth

a spring would make it illegal since the user wouldn't need to press the gun forward to fire it

>>520593

Let's criminalize not tightening a screw, even better.

>>520582

>"Oy vey, us whites need to disarm ourselves over a relatively uncommon event"

Meanwhile shit like this happens everyday.

http://thegoldwater.com/news/9139-16-Yr-Old-Savage-in-Oklahoma-Robs-Elderly-Couple-Murders-Man-Then-Rapes-the-Woman-Repeats-Process

I swear they're trying to prime this country for a Bolshevik revolution.

>>520366

The proper response is to make sure every American has access to respectful, effective mental health care. But that will never fly with the crowd that likes the second amendment the most.

>>520600

scalpers.png

>>520601

Well every country essentially criminalizes you if you have a mental problem.

If we worked on trying to solve it, we'd piss off the left and if we actually began to solve it we'd piss off the right.

>>520601

>The proper response is to make sure every American has access to respectful, effective mental health care.

Not every American can afford that. Are you saying that the middle class should be forced to provide for the medical care of the poor, with the cost being deducted from their income? It's far too much money for rich people to pay for exclusively- they'd tell you to fuck off and leave, taking their businesses with them. The only fair solution is for everyone to have to pay for their own medical care, unless somebody elects to pay for the health care of others of their own volition.

That being said, the fuck does that have to do with this thread? Or even this board?

>>520607

>That being said, what does that have to do with this thread? Or even this board?

Preventing another mass shooting. If we succeed at that, the normies will be more comfortable watching the gun regulation ease up a bit.

>>520616

>>520607

>>520601

There used to be asylums but a few horror stories of nigger tier doctors and all of a sudden we need to get rid of (and did) all the asylums sounds familiar huh? Like there's a bunch of overreacting faggots.

>>520461

I could take some minor comfort in this being hell, since that would mean it couldn't get worse, but we've got a long way to go before we even catch a glimpse of the bottom of this barrel.

>>520617

The lines haven't been drawn. Everyone's mad as hell but the situation hasn't compressed itself down to two factions yet.

Talked to a guy at work today. He pulled up screen caps from 8/pol/ regarding a possible push for metal detectors/backscatter machines at casinos, public venues, ect. He said he found it in a forum linked through liveleak.

He also found and showed me the vid of the "security guard" opening fire in the crowd.

This false flag may end up getting uncovered in a very public manner.

>>520649

Had a coworker myself who mentioned that facebook removed the shooters profile and claimed it never existed yet the initial photos were from that page. Also said that there are screencaps and taht facebook/instrgram/media are locking it down because it doesn't fit the narrative. This is a person who I have never talked with about anything deeper than firearm stuff and never anything chan related and is getting these ideas on his own. This is also an older gentleman that isn't that computer savy aside from what he has picked up from working in the office and on his own. So this might not stick this time like it did with the Aussies.

>>520652

It's amazing how many people I can talk to at work about how Sandy Hook was a hoax. More and more people (even Boomers) are seeing through the bullshit.

>>520649

>the vid of the "security guard" opening fire in the crowd

This is news to me. Link?

>>520663

>First ten or so seconds, bottom left on the screen.

That was a flashlight reflecting off the guard's vest.

>>520580

>>520582

It's funny how they don't even try to make the shill account names not complete nonsense.

>>520601

wow, looks like /k/ is this easy to bait

>>520663

I'm not seeing it.

One of them ducks and sweeps the area with his flashlight, but that's all. Going through it at reduced speed, the gunfire starts before any of the guards react.

>And fresh 5.56 brass on the small blood pool, not covered, on.

Isn't that exactly what you'd expect if he shot himself, fell, and the blood pooled? It's not going to magically flow over top of the brass. Assuming >>520386 is the pic you mean, it looks pretty clear that's what happened. If it fell after the blood was there there would be splashes, or it at least would have rolled. That is clearly not the case with those.

Question his motives and backers certainly, but it looks quite clear he did what they say he did.

>>520663

>And fresh 5.56 brass on the small blood pool, not covered, on.

Ever seen the video of Budd Dweyer shooting himself? You don't actually get massive spray over the entire room like someone turns on a blender without the top. Spray would only happen on the opposite side of the head the gun is on, and then blood would stream out of the injury, not spray like a garden hose.

>>520665

You really think anti-gun lobbies care what their paid Indian commenters name themselves?

>>520582

>If I had my way semi-autos would fucking go too

I'd bet that this motherfucker doesn't even know what semi-auto means.

>>520697

This.

RED ALERT, REPUBLICANS FLIPPING

https://reason.com/blog/2017/10/05/republicans-get-behind-gun-control-in-wa

Article is full of names, from Texas to Wyoming

>>520760

>>520776

Saw this coming the day mall-ninjas used them on YouTube.

>>520778

What was even the original reasoning that the ATF approved bumpfire stocks?

>>520776

>devices designed to allow semi-automatics rifles to function like fully-automatic

>bumpfire just uses recoil to pull the trigger again after it's shot once, still clearly semi

Thanks Negotiate Rights Away, I'm sending donations now!

>>520776

Told you the NRA aren't yourguys strange how these actors are when its a school they don't do anything but when its a hick concert its different sounds like a FF now Trump probably had a big part in it he doesn't gun toters in his party because he thinks it holds him back. Can't believe he didn't go for an antifa FF.