/k/ - Weapons

Try a standard AR-15.

>>519539

look, it's the ponytail'd liberal faggot with the gay voice

Get an AR

If you're dead set on a .22lr then get an AR with a .22 conversion/upper that way you can just switch out to a 5.56 when you're ready for a centerfire round.

>>519588

but really get a nice rifle that you would like as your first one. Mosins suck because surplus ammo is becoming more expensive than commercial bulk 308.

>22

Four real options I see for a 22 nowdays.

10/22 is the bog standard. It's cheap (if you look and wait you can get it for 200 after transfer, wood or plastic. Current low is 195+transfer) though it's an aging design with some noticeable flaws, some of which can't be upgraded away (the mags are way heavier than they need to be).

10/22 Takedown has many of the flaws, but the takedownness gives it a lot more utility than just a plinker while helping to alivate the 10/22's less than desirable takedown. Plus when the SHARE act passes the integrally silenced barrel is going to drop in cost fast thanks to economy of scale. Downside is it's more expensive (55 bucks more).

S&W 15-22 comes bundled with much better sights, has a threaded barrel (important once SHARE hits), simulates the ergonomics of the AR, way easier to clean than a 10/22 and is light (the gun has very little metal in it.) though possibly to the point it hurts an adult training with it because it is so much lighter than a real AR. Gun has much nicer (and cheaper) magazines than the 10/22 (and they'll fit into STANAG mag gear pouches). Downside is it is more expensive (~$100-~$130).

Four is a 22 upper for an AR. Most of the pros of the above, but higher weight and allows you to use any upgrades. Highest entry cost (needs a lower, possibly sights) and the upper itself will cost more than a 10/22.

AR15

>>519606

>once SHARE hits

i wouldnt be so sure m8.

dont you guys find it weird that main rifle of your army can be chambered in something used to hunt pidgeons and squirells?

>>519606

If you expand your search to older production rifles, I'd add in a remington 552 or a Nylon 66.

I'd also avoid the .22 AR upper, I've yet to see one that isn't picky as all hell about ammo.

>>519621

>552 or a Nylon 66

Hoo boy, better hope you never have parts breakages.

>>519619

>swap barrel and bolt carrier

>converts an upper to 22

The only thing weird is that the ak hasn't been updated so that barrels can be repaired/replaced with hand tools and not drill presses and rivets

>>519619

I know, Poland, technology is strange when your country makes its own guns instead of using guns from other countries for around 90 years.

>>519624

whats the smallest/biggest calliber barell you can put in ar? is effectivness same as that of baseline calliber?

>>519626

fuck off we make our own rifles for at least 30 years. Sure tantal was a copy of ak platform but pretty much every slav country made tgeir own regional variant and upgraded orginal design. And even when we werent producing own designs we still made weapons used in our factories

Also total lack of iron deposits makes arms industry a bit fucked

>>519630

>whats the smallest/biggest calliber barell you can put in ar?

Barrels are pretty irrelevant all things considered. Your limiting factor is the AR15 magwell and specifically as it limits cartridge overall length. Hence why you can have something like a .50 cal, but it has to be a short cartridge like a .50 Beowulf.

>is effectivness same as that of baseline calliber?

Let's not start that particular shit-flinging circle jerk.

>Also total lack of iron deposits makes arms industry a bit fucked

Well that's kind of what happens when you trust the Soviets and Brits not to fuck you over post-war. Now why don't you go whine to the EU about the Poleocaust and get them to give you some land with iron deposits then?

.22lr is fun as fuck because you can piss it away like it was water in a monsoon. 500 rounds can be bought for little money, and can last you all day if you're not burning through it for shits and giggles- at which point you bring a second box. I personally own a BL-22, it is fun as fuck.

If you're willing to go centrefire, you could definitely get an AR, but what about a pistol carbine? Hi-Point offers a 9x19mm low recoil pistol carbine for little money and the advantages of the ability to reload your brass. It is also a capable home defense round- buy this for your bedside and you won't have to switch calibers when you eventually buy a 9mm because your shoulders mean no glorious 10mm. 30 rounds of hot loaded 9x19 WILL fuck up anything coming though your door hard!

Forgot to mention

Ammobot shows 500 rounds of 9x19 at 95 dollars per 500, which is pretty cheap stuff.

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/pistol/9mm/

22. as a first rifle is a meme, but if you're only shooting .22 out of medical necessity go with a ruger 10/22, they are fun as fuck.

>>519647

>22lr is fun as fuck

it's boring as fuck because it is weak as fuck

is it just me or is there something about Australian posters?

>>519657

Need I remind you of this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY

If you want to train fundamentals, 22 is your beat bet bar none.

>>519630

There are single shot 50bmg uppers that'll attach right onto a standard lower, I've played with one in .300 winmag

>>519669

>muh fundamentals

you're better off getting a proper rifle and then learning from there. you don't go take a firearm class with a gay little .22lr

if you do buy into the .22lr meme this is assuming you're a dumbass who has never been near guns ever and are too stupid to grasp the basics of firearms.

i've seen plenty of kiddos buying into the .22lr meme, only to then a few months later sell their rifle when trying to afford something more potent.

Get a micromauser with iron sights chambered in 2.23/5.56. For example, the CZ 527.

>ammo is still cheap

>recoil is still negligible

>actually useful beyond plinking

>teaches fundamentals just as well

>can upgrade with scope when warranted

>>519539

>>519630

build a PSA ar-15. I got a 1) nickel boron bcg 2) 18" 416r 223 wylde barrel 3) 15" m-lok rail 4) complete lower with all the good magpul shit for $470 bucks, free shipping.

Impossible to beat that value.

If you want, you can get the same rail on a 20" barrel in 4150 for $220. With the ch and bcg, you're looking at about $350.

I used to be an AK guy, but I got tired of how cumbersome the Vepr was, and I can honestly say that I seriously underestimated the 5.56. It is a badass round, friendo.

>>519618

Oh it won't pass till early 2019, yes, but the 2018 elections are going to be pretty much open season on RINO and donkey going by the special elections so far (double digit victories for conservative candidates outspent 10-1).

>>519700

>micromauser

>MSRP $733

if it were cheaper it would be a winner. like 400 dollars cheaper. ar15s are going for 400-550 these days.

>>519720

>this autistic rage over a boolit

Did your dad fuck you when you were a child?

>>519539

>12

>manlet

>mosine carbine

someone didn't like you

>>519724

Nigger, if .22 isn't a good training round, then why has almost every military power had a .22 caliber training rifle?

Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and realize that not everyone doesn't wants to practice their aim with expensive center fire ammo.

>>519744

@

>>519720

Just get an AR. Pretty low recoil and if you have to shoot some nigger breaking into your house you can actually shoot them in the chest and get good results.

>>519720

Just the fact that you say "most people aren't meant for guns" is a big hint you aren't a true /k/ommando. No proper citizen of /k/ would espose depriving citizens of guns or condemning people by default to a social tier that prevents them from owning or purchasing firearms.

>>519744

>had

keyword there. more cost effective to use the real thing in small doses.

>>519757

>he thinks everyone should have guns

are you one of those cucks that thinks BLMniggers and Antifatards with guns area good thing? HA.

US ideally should have every good citizen armed, our nation was founded on militia action. Doesn't mean I want undesirables to have them. To hell with them, enemies of the state. You need to recognize that your rights shouldn't include or protect your enemy.

>>519770

You're the cuck statist. If your rights can be given out at the state's discretion then they aren't rights, they're privileges and if they can take that privlage from people you dont like they can easily take it from you when they decide they don't like you.

>>519696

>You get better fundamentals on *real rifle*

Lordy, would 22plinkster like a word with you.

>You've never touched a gun

Do I fucking need to post my revolver raifu again

Or would you like my BLR with a ridiculously large scope, you monstrously pozzed nigger dick addict?

I get it if you are going minimalist, one pistol, one rifle route. A 22lr is a waste of space at that point. But for a lot of people just starting out, they have no clue if they are actually really interested until they feel comfortable that a gun isn't going to jump up and bite them- 22lr, 9mm and low recoil 5.56 are all fine calibers for this.

To disparage 22lr for not matching the others is missing the fucking point. It's a plinking round- it was designed to have *fun* with. You can fuckass with it all damned day, shoot 10 rabbits, 25 squirrels, burn the rest on a pile of lumber because fuck that lumber in particular and still have only spent 50 bucks.

You would need to spend four times that in 9x19, and six times that for 5.56.

If that doesn't sound like training round to you, you have brain problems.

>>519773

>Lordy, would 22plinkster like a word with you.

k

>If that doesn't sound like training round to you, you have brain problems.

we are going in circles now. it is apparent we cannot agree.

>>519774

>State allows your rights to exist

Even I know the point of your constitutional rights was really to protect the ones you were BORN with.

>>519775

The problem with your mentality of shitting all over 22 because muh full size round is equivalent to insulting people who own air rifles for not having a "real gun".

It's cheap and it's fun- things apparently foreign to you.

>>519723

>calling him autistic or butthurt will save me

>frantically scrambles into the quick reply box so he can still feel like he won

epic meme

>>519696

nigger we are giving advice to a guy with fucked up shoulders that cant take recoil.

>>519768

Doesn't change the fact that something like .223 or .556 is miles more expensive than .22lr.

You can't just sit down with an AR-15 and plink for literal hours like you can with 10/22 without putting a serious hole in your wallet.

Again, please pull your head out of your ass.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that you believe only somepeople deserve the right to own firearms, it called an "inalienable right" for a reason

>>519776

>Even I know the point of your constitutional rights was really to protect the ones you were BORN with.

>enlightenment autism

>still relevant

they forgot to raise generations of people to respect that. look at where the US is at now. do you think they understand?

>>519822

what's the point of plinking with a round you're not going to fucking use when it matters?

take your dumb fudd ass .22lr and jam it up your ass like the little suppository it is, bitch.

>>519822

Firearms isn't a cheap hobby, we all know that. So, unless OP is just going to chill with a .22 for the rest of his life, which is unlikely, why not just skip that an just get an AR-15? He's probably going to get one in the end anyways, just skip that step and get into a centerfire rifle. If he really wants to shoot .22 he can get a .22 upper. And that's not even mentioning that AR15s are crazy cheap now, and there's so many modifications and gadgets and tacticool shit that are out.

OP here, sorry i was out for the weekend

>>519700

Micromauser?

>>519720

Nah, I'm 5'11", I have a disease called Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, meaning my ligaments do not repair, and at this point I have virtually none left in my joints, meaning dislocations and some discomfort or outright pain if its a clavicle or rib

>>519743

nah, It was mine, passed down thru my dyedushka. I wanted to shoot it, and so we went out with him, even after I was warned a binch. Fired it a bunch more times kneeling and laying tho, worked out quite well, bagged a moose that weekend.

>>519782

^ I don't actually know if I can or not, at this point shoulder dislocations don't hurt at all anymore, I just dont want the impact to knock a collar or rib loose, bc those are painful af

Ok, replies over now:

thanks you guys for being pretty chill about all this, and helpful when it comes to the whole recoil thing.

couple of questions at this point I guess (I know how guns work and a lot of the mechanics of them, but not specific firearms that much, or platforms modern day)

main question: can someone /objectively/ explain the AR plaftorm, pro/con, how it works, and why it's appealing? I'm turned off by it a bit b/c I love muh wood furniture way too much

>>519874

You can get wood furniture for your AR in this day and age.

>Micromauser?

Its a Mauser action shrunk for rounds like 5.56 or 7.62x39.

>>519875

yeah, but I mean full wood furniture, no pistol grip or anything. yknow what I mean? if there's an AR platform that has that, with no grip, just wood furniture and mag fed and all that, that would be incredible, like a .22 m14, but AR.

Also; had no idea that they made lil mausers, nice

>>519877

There is the ARES SCR, but I do not think anyone has made a wooden grip for it yet.

>>519878

lovely! and it's fully compatible with AR platform parts? I know someone who could machine a wood stock for it prob

>>519879

Yep, its just a lower that uses a traditional rifle stock and a fancy recoil thing to get by no-fun states. Now that I think of it a M1 carbine might be up your alley, just get an actual surplus gun though.

>>519880

yeah, what's the kick like on those? it's a 30-06 carbine round right? basically a long ass pistol round from what I've heard.

>>519881

They don't kick for shit.

> basically a long ass pistol round from what I've heard.

Pretty much. There was a revolver chambered in it ages ago.

>>519882

nice. Is ammo easy to get? or can they be rechambered for 22 or 223 for ease of ammunition? also, I live in california, so are there 10 rd mags that fit that aren't plastic pieces of shit/ look good/metal

>>519849

Im not saying you shouldn't, an AR-15 is THE best entry point for a new shooter. Im saying that .22 is the most cost effective out of pretty much any option you have.

On one hand an entry-level AR-15 will run you about $500 plus how ever much you want to spend in ammo and whatever bolt-ons you want to buy.

On the other hand if you're destitute, you could probably pick up a 10/22 and 1000 rounds of food for about $300-350 and you can always sell it down the road.

I was never actually responding to OP, my posts had a more general connotation

>>519846

>>519883

If you order online it shouldn't be hard to source it. I don't think there are polymer magazines for the M1. If I recall the smallest magazine I've seen is a five rounder, so there probably is a ten rounder out there.

>>519886

hey its chill. looking into the AR side of things more and more, but I'm just not a fan of it in general. I plan on moving up in calibre as I try things, to see what's 'too much'. My general philosophy is that anything I do is gonna hurt, so why not enjoy doing what I think, and to hell with the consequences (unless its a rib or collarbone, bc those press on your lungs, and it aint fun)

>>519887

thats perfect. and Idk, is the rifle itself cali legal? I guess I won't get stopped cos its a wooden rifle, and therefore 'not scary' But a semi-auto like that would count as a rifle or a pistol b/c the round?

>>519890

Should be legal. Check state law.

>>519892

kk, probably gonna stop by my FLGS and ask em if they can order a surplus one, bc I want that kinda history behind it, or see if my other grandpa still has his

>>519890

It should be legal as long as you don't put a flash suppressor on it.

>>519898

fucking perfect. My grandpa had one when he served in germany and ended up keeping it (somehow? idk) might see if I can have it

>>519899

My great grandfather ended up buying his rifle after the war ended.

>>519909

thats probably it then

>>519841

You could have everyone in the world being a mouth breathing retard and it still wouldn't change your moral obligation to not initiate force, if that's your intention. I get it if you don't and think not everyone is cut out for it despite guns being built for the lowest common man.

>>519911

If you're going after a manual action pistol carbine, why not a cheap rossi lever in .357 mag? Ammo would be cheaper, and you can stuff it in a revolver.

Just to add another choice, ruger makes a boner inspiring bolt action in .357 mag called the 77/357. Hickok makes it sound like a ton of fun, and you could probably find some retard tier handloads for it.

>>519539

Go with a cheap but not too cheap .22 lr or some basic AR. Do some research and decide which is best for you.

>>519539

Just get a cheap but not too cheap .22lr rifle or a cheap AR. Do some research and decide whatever you think is best.

This has to be one of the worst arguments I've ever seen. Your all petty and need to grow up.

>>519621

What semi-auto .22 isn't picky with ammo? I don't think there is such a thing simply because of the variety of .22 loads and the generally poor quality control of cheap plinking ammo. Almost every semi-auto .22 will run the hotter loads with 0 hiccups but I've never found a gun that can run cheapo .22LR without at least a handful of FTE per box (due to inconsistent powder loads).

>>519985

Are you sourcing bulk .22lr from 1980 or are you talking about handguns? Speaking strictly of rifles every single brand of bulk ammo I can think of I've seen run in every single major .22 semi-auto I've had experience with. Except Remington ammo, fuck Remington.

>>519920

>m1 carbine

>manual action pistol carbine

I like manual action but i'm kinda set on the m1 carbine now, any idea what .30 carbine costs?

>>520213

>any idea what .30 carbine costs?

.30 to .60 cents a round. self defense/hunting ammo will be running close to a dollar a round.

>>520192

>It's the truth. Tomorrow the ATF can somehow constrict the 2nd amendment with any new ruling.

And we'll break any new rules they implement. How are they gonna stop us?

>>520218

kk, not the worst but not too good either i suppose. Is it easy to rechamber an m1 carbine to 22lr?

>>520227

There are M1 carbines in 22lr/9x19

>>520239

yeah, but i want milsurp and might be able to get one for free

>>520227

If you're willing to sink that kind of money into one you shouldn't be worrying about the ammo cost.

>>520239

Yeah but even for italian plinker's they're shit. Which is a shame because I really wanted to like a new production 9mm carbine with the ergonomics of an M1 and common mags.

Plus a bayonet, don't judge me

>>520247

>common mags

Hopefully you mean some existing common mag, because the M1 Carbine's mags were never meant to be reused.

>>519776

Nobody is born with any rights. A right is a privilege lent to you by the guarantee of a larger force than you that could rescind it at any time. And even if you personally fight for your rights, they will be lost if you are overcome. You aren't entitled to a goddamn thing just because you're alive.