ec24a5 No.519258
ITT: non ar-15 raifus
>swiss made
>it's fucking swiss made
wish it was a long stroke gas piston, only short stroke.
what non ar-15 rifle are you thinking of?
8275e2 No.519261
We doing 556 or similar cartridges? In that case…
AK-74
CZ 805 Bren
SCAR 16
AUG
F90 ATRAX soon
DT MDR soon (TM)
Lel Tec RDB
FN Fish gun
Glock 23
efe25d No.519263
>>519259
In something that has better ballistics than 308.
245016 No.519265
537e0c No.519269
>>519264
Those welds never cease to disgust me
b5194f No.519283
537e0c No.519290
>>519283
They look like a toddler did them.
Look how crude they are compared to an AR-180b receiver
537e0c No.519292
245016 No.519309
>>519293
Mines in .223 nigga.
b5194f No.519318
>>519292
But that upper is stamped w/ no welds showing.
537e0c No.519323
>>519318
That's because thats the better way of metal working
b5194f No.519333
>>519323
The welds on the upper are for the charging handle slot dust cover. Something the 180 doesn't have. The welds aren't cold and cleaning them up does nothing for function; I don't see the problem. If you think those are terrible welds, buy a husqvarna tractor. Cold welds everywhere.
537e0c No.519397
>>519333 (Nice)
I never said they impede function, I just said they look like shit.
You were right about that tractor, gross
6059f0 No.519399
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>nobody mentions the Leader T2
It's an AR-18 that makes the AR-18 look complicated. The upper is literally just a steel beam with a piece of steel welded into it.
efe25d No.519414
>>519259
I wish that the Swiss developed 7.5 version of the ar-10.
ec24a5 No.519558
>>519265
>>519293
>>519309
>missed the 400 dollar vz58 bandwagon
fuck
>>519414
>7.5 swiss
is there something i dont know about the 7.5 swiss?
ec24a5 No.519559
>>519261
>DT MDR soon (TM)
apparently they're releasing them, finally. there was so much chaos on the bullpup forum. just make one thread about the MDR vaporwave and so many buttholes were clenched in anger. obviously everyone got jipped of their +2k shekels for now +2 years.
245016 No.519561
>>519558
>7.5 Swiss
Stupidly accurate and can be reloaded with standard .308 projectiles.
ec24a5 No.519562
>>519561
>Stupidly accurate and can be reloaded with standard .308 projectiles.
you sure that isn't just a byproduct of rifles chambered in 7.5 swiss?
245016 No.519564
>>519562
You cheeky bastard.
a221b7 No.519702
I decided to pass on the brand war that is an AR-15 build and settle on an AK variant - I like the ergonomics much more anyway.
x39 is everywhere but has the ballistics of a cinderblock while 5.45 is a tiny bit scarce though actually pretty decent at range.
Can anyone point out a retard's guide to picking an AK or toss me a recommendation?
>>519262
>made to be cheap and forgettable
>now sold as collectibles
How do you fuck up that badly?
ec24a5 No.519722
>>519702
>Can anyone point out a retard's guide to picking an AK or toss me a recommendation?
do a bit of research and stay away from the shitty converted guns to comply with 922r with shitty magwell cuts and everything. brands vary.
>>519702
>>made to be cheap and forgettable
>>now sold as collectibles
i would want one so i can sing that one IRA song about my armalite.
ec24a5 No.520212
Apparently they have a hurtle to get past concerning 922r and other ATF laws to be able to export the B&T APC223 into the United States. I heard they're planning on putting a factory in the US to get production started.
245016 No.520242
>>520212
They've got some weight to them, but other than that it has one of the smoothest actions I have ever played with. I mean it feels like the Swiss handfitted the fucking bolt.
ec24a5 No.520498
>>520242
>but other than that it has one of the smoothest actions I have ever played with. I mean it feels like the Swiss handfitted the fucking bolt.
The internals look nice. I wonder how the MSBS and 805 BREN rifles are.
245016 No.520514
You maplecunts, just to let you know you T81's are arriving Oct 11th.
>>520498
I got a feeling the 805 is a very beefed up vz58 considering they've chambered one in 300winmag
a221b7 No.523034
Any word on not-shit HK33 copies in the US?
I know the C93 had a lot of issues when Century first pushed them out, so I held off from grabbing one.
80cd95 No.523044
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>Tfw there are people in this thread seriously shilling for AKs, and saying the old bullshit about "don't buy the cheap ones! the cheap ones give them bad reputation!" when the gun as a whole is a piece of crap by design.
245016 No.523064
>>523044
>He posts the VZ-58 video
Aside from that the only thing I have a problem with is they're using desert dirt. Also when people talk about buying cheap AK's they're warning you about the fucking thing falling apart after some use among other problems, not the fact that liquid sand can and will seep into everything.
e22a0c No.523065
>>523044
>muh clogging AKs
Its easier to clean a clogged AK than a clogged AR. To clean the AK rapidly, just open the dust cover, pour water into the receiver, move bolt back, get any large chunks out of the way, pour water down the barrel/gas tube, shake out water, work the bolt back and fourth a few times, close the cover, continue to fire. All of this can be done in 20 seconds.
Also, the AK is better in environments where fine dust is common since the loser tolerances allow for it to continue to function. ARs are notorious for shitting the bed innadesert.
1d5923 No.523078
>>523065
>13 minutes since the previous post
>He still thinks it's an AK
don't post anymore plz
7b2c3f No.523106
7b2c3f No.523108
>>523065
It's a trade-off between the two
That's why the G3 is more reliable than both. Pretty tight tolerance, and the blowback design literally blows shit out of the way.
887307 No.523125
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>>523065
>Its easier to clean a clogged AK than a clogged AR.
You realize the AR doesn't even clog? And while you're cleaning your pet meme gun, the AR guy killed you?
887307 No.523126
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>>523108
G3 is shit, both the CETME-L and AR-15 destroyed it.
887307 No.523127
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>>523108
Here's the CETME-L video.
db1180 No.523164
>all these fucking embeds
ced9b1 No.523165
>>523126
>G3 is shit
>guy doing the test says it blows away the AK and is next best in their test after the ar
you're obviously a retard.
ced9b1 No.523166
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>523127
btw, that isn't the G3, it's a descendant.
stupidass
e22a0c No.523170
>>523125
>ARs don't clog
Sand and dust say hello. Also have fun with water in the gas tube.
>muh mud
Don't be retarded and shovel mud into your gun.
fbcde3 No.523176
>>523165
AR and CETME-L were the only guns with full marks.
>>523166
>CETME-L
>G3 descendant
Yeah retard, sure, it's not the other way around.
And actually, look the video above it. I posted both the CETME-L and the G3 >>523126
>>523170
>Don't be retarded and shovel mud into your gun.
As if you could choose in a battlefield. Vietnam was mud land.
>Sand and dust say hello. Also have fun with water in the gas tube.
Sand and dust fuck up AKs as well, and fuck the gas tube, I'm not even a fan of ARs, I'm a Sig550 guy, but people here talking nice and good about AKs? Laughable.
e22a0c No.523182
>>523176
>Vietnam was mud land
And AKs still functioned better in the hands of third world gooks than the DI ARs that were sent in at the time.
>Sand and dust fuck up AKs as well
They do, just like every other weapon. But the AK has a better tolerances to it and can be cleaned faster if need be. You can't really avoid clogs, but you can make them easier to clear. Trying to create a clog-proof gun is futile.
cea21e No.523184
>>523176
>sure, it's not the other way around.
What did he mean by this?
a221b7 No.523212
>>523182
>And AKs still functioned better in the hands of third world gooks
Because that's their home and dunking your gun into mud for no reason is retarded. Like you.
>… than the DI ARs that were sent in at the time
As opposed to a piston AR that would have the same problems if overgassed without cleaning and lubrication?
>But the AK has better tolerance
Loose tolerance means easier production and being able to strip the gun in a few seconds to fix problems when they happen.
Tight tolerance means it's hard for shit to get inside in the first place at the cost of manufacture ease.
ced9b1 No.523227
>>523176
>it's not the other way around
time doesn't go in reverse, dumbshit
>I posted
no, dumbshit, you didn't
db72d9 No.523228
>>523227
>time doesn't go in reverse, dumbshit
Idiot, read the history of the G3, would you? Stop embarrassing yourself, the G3 was made based on the CETME. >>523198
>no, dumbshit, you didn't
LOL, I posted both the G3 and the CETME-L, again, here:
>>523126
>>523127
It's even the same video you posted here:
>>523166
Fucking retarded.
cea21e No.523229
>>523198
>>523228
>he actually thinks that the G3 is a descendant of the CETME-L and not the other way around
You do realise that the page you just linked is referring to the CETME-B/C/E, right? Not the CETME-L. The CETME-L came out in 1987, the G3 came out in 1957, before 5.56 even existed.
Holy shit anon, you are retarded, when even a bong knows more about firearms than (You), it's time to stop posting, forever.
db72d9 No.523231
>>523229
You're still retarded. The CETME-L was just a downsized Model 58, it was exactly the same gun.
cea21e No.523232
>>523231
Lad… Just stop posting, seriously, you're embarrassing yourself at this point holy shit.
>inb4 "I wuz just pretending to be retarded xDDD"
db72d9 No.523234
>>523232
I'm not pretending anything. The CETME-L is exactly the same gun as the Model 58, just downsized.
And the G3 was based on the Model 58.
You're just too butthurt because you realized how retarded you are.
cea21e No.523235
>>523234
>he's doubling down on it
>"b-b-buh I actually meant the model 58 (which I just quickly googled, and is still wrong anyway)"
db72d9 No.523237
>>523235
Go home kid, your memes aren't arguments and you're only embarrassing yourself now.
db72d9 No.523241
>>523239
And the kid has nothing more to say.
You're lucky this is an anonymous imageboard, you can just disappear, no need to get mad at over an internet argument indentityless.
db1180 No.523243
>>523182
>muh tolerances
The AK sure didn't tolerate inrange's mud test when sloppy nazi had to mortar it just to move the bolt.
a86b5e No.523245
>>523243
The AK never saw the light of WWII, it was made later, from where do you think the 47 number comes?
Apart from that, it was mainly used in desert hellholes of Africa and Central Asia, occasionally in jungles, where it failed.
a221b7 No.523246
>>523245
He was talking about Karl from InRange when he said "sloppy nazi"
e22a0c No.523249
>>523212
>Because that's their home
Has no bearing on the gun's reliability. ARs given to the ARVN also jammed. If VC/NVA had ARs instead of AKs, they would've jammed with the same frequency as they did for the US/ARVN.
>and dunking your gun into mud for no reason is retarded.
So we both agree that the mud test done by Karl was retarded? Good.
>Loose tolerance means easier production and being able to strip the gun in a few seconds to fix problems when they happen.
Which is a better policy to have because jams due to environmental factors will happen eventually anyways. Its better to be able to clear them quickly than try to prolong the inevitable. No gun can be completely sealed against dust.
>>523243
Most people don't shovel mud into their gun's receivers. Those tests prove that you can stop an action by filling it with shit.
>muh openness means its less reliable
It also makes it easier to clean.
a221b7 No.523261
>>523249
>Has no bearing on the gun's reliability. ARs given to the ARVN also jammed. If VC/NVA had ARs instead of AKs, they would've jammed with the same frequency as they did for the US/ARVN.
The M16s in Vietnam failed during early usage because pencil pushers wanted to save money by omitting cleaning kits and using old powder, Anon. Those broken cases lodged inside chambers had nothing to do with dirt and mud.
>hurr durr mud test
The tests are retarded for reasons other than hurting your feelings.
>allowing everything into your receiver is a better policy than sealing it because you'll have to clean it anyway amirite
I don't want to have to cite the Filthy-14, but you faggots make it difficult because you'll just sidestep it anyway.
Lubrication combats dust. If your rifle is oozing with Bad Dragon® Cum Lube™ then it will be very difficult for it to fail until rocks block the locking lugs. This is the main reason the M4A1 fails in the sandbox - the muhreen corps doesn't hand out lubrication for fear of grunts using it on the indigenous population/themselves. In the case that this happens, you'll be just as fucked as if you had an AK and you'll have to spill your bolt and go at it with water and a brush, just like if it happened to an AK.
ced9b1 No.523323
>>523249
To be fair, it's just as easy to take down an AR. Just pop a pin with your finger, lift the upper open, pull out the bcg, and that's it.
cea21e No.523352
>>523241
>and the kid has nothing more to say.
Because there isn't anything more to say, just laughter
>he read "CETME" in the history section of the G3 wiki page and assumed it meant "CETME-L" and that the G3 is a descendent of a rifle from 30 years in the future
Still can't get over that
8d6970 No.523353
If your dick doesn't wiggle at the thought of a modernized stg 57, you need to be sterilized
8d6970 No.523354
>>523353
For your viewing pleasure
bd7c0a No.523400
>>523352
The CETME-L is the Model 58, it's the same gun with a different ammo.
God, imbeciles these days…
27a518 No.523401
>>523353
>>523354
>Stg-57 with rails
I do get the feeling that it would be rather heavy though.
127c61 No.523403
>>523126
>put mud on the ejection port.
>doesn't put any were the bolt and it's loading handle and rail are…
>Realize it "It doesn't matter".
>"It's a reliable design it only fail to eject."
>IE "the only part where we put mud on doesn't work".
>"It's a reliable design"
How does ANYONE take those two morons tests seriously?
89601d No.523416
>>523403
You should see their AK vs AR test, its nauseatingly stupid.
e87a52 No.523440
>>523353
>sterilized for erectile dysfunction
Just because your "gun" has a weak spring doesn't mean you should 'deactivate' it.
308b36 No.523448
>>523353
>>523354
So, am I the only one who finds these guns to be ugly? Ill proportioned?
8d6970 No.523462
>>523448
Nah, I'm just having a giggle. They're ugly as fuck, but to me they're ugly as fuck for all the right reasons.
127c61 No.523525
>>523401
not really heavier than it's standard steel barrel shroud
2ba3a5 No.523551
>>519258
> what non ar-15 rifle are you thinking of?
My Sako.
bf01da No.524198
>>519258
>what non ar-15 rifle are you thinking of?
My Thicc 100 fresh out of the box.
e805be No.524251
>>523551
Fuck you finland and your sexy rifles. TRGs make my dick hard.
e9961c No.524282
>>523551
Stupid sexy Mongol
808b13 No.524299
Why do brazilian guns both look S E X Y and like something an orc would make
d230e9 No.524318
Short list: AK-47 and 74, Mini 14, and something in .308. The coolest rifle I have seen is this FN-FAL Para clone on Gunbroker. It's chambered in 5.56mm, and takes AR mags. Unfortunately, it's some prototype from a limited run that only 20 were made.It's currently sitting at about $1,500.
7c7ab4 No.524332
>>524299
because they're orcs but they put in honest effort.
7e4951 No.524349
>>519258
M+M M10X, that shit made me rock hard
24e74a No.524359
>>524318
>It's currently sitting at about $1,500.
Seems like the going rate for any other FAL.
e9961c No.524364
>>524349
>no 5.45 option
smh
7cf260 No.524369
>>524349
Fun fact that's one of the few AK type rifles allowed in Canada. Still 5 round mag though.
e9961c No.524375
>>524369
>can get actual Ruski-produced AKs here like Izhevsk ones and shit with no mag capacities
>straight-pull only
d230e9 No.524384
>>524359
Pretty much haha see pic related
33cfa3 No.524393
The only reason I want the damn Nork shit to blow over is so SK goes through with the new rifle program they've talked about and we can get parts kits.
No one will ever understand just how hard the K2 makes me
dbba4f No.524395
>>524369
Pissed off I missed the preorder on that. I did nab myself a crate of T81's though.
58c483 No.524447
AK 107
Because who likes recoil. Seriously, why haven't more rifles adapted a similar counter weight system? It is simple and fucks recoil to basically the physical minimum. The only drawback I can think of is weight increase, but I don't think it is significant considering the benefit.
e9961c No.524450
>>524447
Because 5.45 and 5.56 have barely any recoil anyway, for a 7.62x39, sure, but it's kind of a waste and added weight/complexity for very little benefit when used with lighter rounds.
01090c No.524492
>>524450
>complexity
The AK 107 is an AK with an added counterweight and one spring… It has none of the Russian space magic of the AN-94 (which was so complex because of the "2 rounds before recoil" thing). Calling it complex is reaching.
It's a bit heavier sure, but still far from a FAL or something similar.
01090c No.524493
>>524492
(Also assuming the added system breaks, it's now just a regular AK… no reason for it to not work).
7cf260 No.524510
>>524450
The point is a bullet with already low recoil can be made into a laser gun with this system, which extends effective range by a ridiculous amount.
>weight
lolno
Which of these do you think is more complex? Which is more expensive?
e9961c No.524520
>>524510
But I wasn't comparing the AK-107 to the SA80, was I? That image is also pants-on-head retarded.
>a fucking leaf
Every time. Can your ilk please stop shitposting for once in your lives?
Also, I'd say that the AK-107 is the more complex of the two, the SA-80 is literally just a stamped steel AR-18.
bf35ca No.524521
>>524510
What were you expecting? Bullups are utter garbage.
Also, use the AK-12 and AK-15 now, the 100s will retire.
7cf260 No.524523
>>524521
Yeah SA80 was destined. Only small islands, insignificant countries and dead empires would ever use a bullpup as the main service weapon, and UK hits all those points.
>Also, use the AK-12 and AK-15 now, the 100s will retire.
I believe Russian military might pick both systems. AK-107 was desired by navy, air force, and VDV. All the while army and rocket forces demanded AK-12. Russian military decision makers often say "why not both" when faced with such choices.
400ac1 No.524545
So which of these in this thread have semi-auto variants any regular American citizen without a health or criminal record, living in an awesome state, can buy?
I need a good place to start for when I have training with actually guns, and for when I actually have the money to buy these things.
bf01da No.524557
>>524545
Well my post went completely unnoticed but I bought mine a day before Vegas and the price on them shot up by $500. Gonna shoot it today for the first time to see how it do.
400ac1 No.524558
>>524557
I just went unscrolling all the pages and found more than one semi-automatic-based threads, so I guess my question is deadweight. Good luck to you /k/omrade