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There's no discharge in the war!

File: a3513726f5a16d3⋯.jpg (169.62 KB, 999x628, 999:628, tmp_2164-a3513726f5a16d318….jpg)

50d5b9 No.519009

Congratulations strelok,

The newly appointed Tsar of our nation has chosen you to equip the army in terms of small arms.

To assert the independence and industrial might of our nation, the Tsar has declared that any 'off the shelf' cartridges or firearms are forbidden.*

You may however use prototypes and the like as inspiration.

For the sake of our little game, disregard intellectual property, existing tooling, ammo stock, troop experience, manufacturing expertise etc.

What do you pick?

* (Anything that is currently widely used and therefore boring, no 5.56 NATO, AR-15/18 copies etc)

59399b No.519011

33mm Revolver Rifle.


e985de No.519012

gyrojet riffle

and a dildar


2d254a No.519021

88mm battle rifle


5085f6 No.519029

>>519009

Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range.


2380a5 No.519034

>>519009

Caseless or gyrojet.


104d29 No.519043

In order to prove the physical might of our soldiers, they shall all carry personal mortars as their primary weapons, and 2-gauge sawn-off shotguns as their secondaries. No one shall stop our glorious army!


069af6 No.519045

File: 4d3e4613c0c1e9a⋯.jpg (27.88 KB, 650x354, 325:177, TKB-022PM.jpg)

File: bbe108980eb69cf⋯.jpg (155.95 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, HK33A2.jpg)

File: a14d0067f44b82a⋯.jpg (24.98 KB, 550x308, 25:14, G11.jpg)

>>519009

>What do you pick?

As our rifle I chose to modernize the HK33 and develop our own version of an 6.xx mm cartridge.

For our sub-maschine gun I chose to be "inspired" by Korobov's TKB-022PM, also firing our own 6.xx mm cartridge

Then we upscale the mechanism of the G11 and use it as our machine gun with an 8xx mm caseless cartridge.


7d072b No.519048

>>519043

>prove the physical might of our soldiers

>Not using a hip fired 33mm auto-cannon loaded with air-burst frag shells.


f41274 No.519060

>>519048

That's the loadout for our shock troopers. It also doubles as the loadout for our MBTs, which shall consist of said shocktrooper standing on a treadmill modified to move forward as he walks. We will, of course, be following the Canadian Tank Doctrine, which postulates that the best type of tank armor is the one that can let projectiles pass through without any damage. Furthermore, we have developed this beyond even the original doctrine, which calls for water as the main material, by using the naturally present air around the soldier instead. Our country's armed forces shall be a bloody reckoning against our enemies!


f695ac No.519174

>>519012

I really want some small nation with more money than sense to dump money into gyrojet small arms. I'm convinced that the technology is doable, but it would require an investment that the world's established, conservative military bureaucracies would never hazard.


4b49fc No.519175

File: 53787221c53da48⋯.png (200.49 KB, 539x683, 539:683, screenshot-www.etihad.com-….png)

File: 9870f5e99ad9098⋯.jpeg (732.66 KB, 2880x1800, 8:5, burj.jpeg)

>>519174

Get into contact with the gulf arabs, they are the very definition of "small nation with more money than sense" and they love paying white people to design it for them. They can't fight for shit but if your price is high enough and you are good at marketing they will be champing at the bit to buy 20,000 fancy looking cutting edge gyrojet assault rifles they will never use.


f20ebf No.519176

I would push for my own wildcat to be a standard cartridge.

>44 long auto

>Cut a .308 at the shoulder, put the first half inch through a 44 sizing die, expand, then stick a 300 grain 44 slug on top of as much of IMR 4198 as you can under the fat cunt for a calculated 2100 fps

>Slap all this inside a bullpup that totals 30" stock extended

>The benefit of using this is that it kills EVERYTHING dead and filters out manlets and women

As for tanks

>Combo gunpowder start, gauss boost and gyrojet final stage tank shell. Because anything that withstands mach 12 tungsten-uranium penetrator is probably not of this world.


95ad87 No.519177

A pinfire rifle that shoots flachettes


9926d5 No.519189

File: b4fe11946bd8b8f⋯.png (91.24 KB, 770x209, 70:19, 1506429983424.png)

File: e18f3f1d996cd16⋯.jpg (3.09 MB, 5248x2952, 16:9, IMG_20170926_095330956.jpg)

Gas operated blowback rifle(like Walther CCP) in 6.5×34mm as a rifle or this abomination


67c8b8 No.519218

File: bd8e2e3856f1f1d⋯.jpg (194.61 KB, 1678x936, 839:468, AG Breeki.jpg)

>>519060

>>519048

Our Cheeki just got Breeki.


0d5e90 No.519228

File: 6fc3f0f54b29689⋯.jpg (30.16 KB, 357x812, 51:116, 935a0abf4f5cb7a7f6805d02b5….jpg)

A new round to surpass Metal Gear


b9b688 No.519231

>>519174

W40k will never happen, anon, forget it.


c59b1a No.519232

File: 881d4612a3056bf⋯.jpg (76.22 KB, 660x496, 165:124, 9295660496.jpg)

>>519231

>W40k will never happen

Coming from the Ork Hue?


51e842 No.519238

File: 9d99fd8fb113929⋯.jpg (94.9 KB, 750x394, 375:197, DanishMadsen.jpg)

File: 436a7cde6eab132⋯.jpg (23.8 KB, 650x311, 650:311, JapType96.jpg)

Submachineguns, Assault rifles, and Light Machine Guns will all be replaced by a gun that is functionally and aesthetically a KP-31 in a 8.6x30 or 8.6x32mm cartridge that's based on the same .30Rem case as the 10mm Auto Mag, 10mm Auto, 9x25 dillon and such. Feed it with a 70-100 round drum mag with the standard loadout being two of those and 4-6 40/42rd stick mags. Something like a Kobra quick detach red dot to replace the tangent rear sight and an adjustable rear aperture on the end-cap. Also add a folding spike bayonet to the barrel shroud. With the high ammo pool and high rate of fire it can work for both CQB and suppressive fire.

Sidearms and PDW's will be chambered in a propietary 8.6x23mm, basically a necked down .357 Sig. The sidearm will be a cross between a widebody 1911 and a CZ-75. Basically the SP-01 with a more 1911 grip angle, grip safety and beavertail, and 1911 style thumb safety. Capacity should be around 16 rounds, with extended mags readily available to push it to 20. Proprietary rail design with mounting for a pistol bayonet/light/blue laser assembly. Comes standard with a wire shoulder stock mounting system, shoulder stock allows for full automatic fire similar in concept for a H&K VP70.

The GPMG will be a mutant belt-fed cross between a Danish Madsen and a Japanese Type 96, in a 8.6x60mm cartridge, basically a .338-06' A-Square wildcat. Keep the action of the Madsen but add the barrel change and front end assembly of the Type 96, modified of course since you don't need the gas system now. Keep the bipod and bayonet assembly. Some sort of indigenous ACOG 6x clone can be used for the sight.


f695ac No.519252

File: 111ab5365c65d89⋯.webm (1.58 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, NRA Gun Gurus - Dardick v….webm)

>>519231

I just want full auto, guided(?!), HE/AP/target rounds with negligible recoil. Is that too much to ask?


2228be No.519302

File: adf22191c7251a4⋯.jpg (92.33 KB, 700x352, 175:88, nordstrom_mens_shop_daily_….jpg)

4.75x45mm, straight wall case, rimless. Low caliber increases standard magazine capacity to 35, straight wall doubles it to 70, a casket mag doubles that to 140 rounds. Inserted in bullpup configuration. Revolving gas operated chamber like in ShKAS for a fire rate exceeding 1000 rounds per minute.

Because being crazy isn't worth it unless you do it in style.


007267 No.519494

File: e1c23ee87a58e2d⋯.jpg (30.74 KB, 277x273, 277:273, cyberpunk_satanism.jpg)

>>519009

Just turn up the LSAT ammo from 6.5mm to 6.66mm for maximum edge. Use it with a bullpup very similar to the Steyr ACR.


5d3c4b No.519500

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>519189

That second design is a real thing.


0eb908 No.519502

Would it be beneficial to have an intermediate round between the full power rifle/GPMG round and the HMG round?


007267 No.519505

File: 8926f0b4571a2f8⋯.jpg (26.54 KB, 660x228, 55:19, Rheinmetall_RMG 7.62_1.jpg)

File: 341f9556c261492⋯.jpg (38.16 KB, 500x416, 125:104, Rheinmetall_RMG 7.62_2.jpg)

>>519502

Two even better questions:

>Who needs a HMG?

>Do we need something with more power than a rifle round?

General Dynamics already made this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Medium_Machine_Gun Now then, it's a lot better than a HMG for dismounted infantry, because they can carry more ammo and can fire relatively accurately at targets 2-2.5km away. But do you really need accurate fire against those targets when you could just throw some smoke and HE at them with a mortar and call it a day? If the answer is yes, then indeed, you need that round. If the answer is no, then you are better off with 60mm mortars for the dismounted infantry. And at this point the question is this:

>Are light mortars the ultimate weapons against soft targets more than 2km away, or should we consider other weapons too, like AGLs and recoilless rifles?

And that's a different can of worms that I don't want to open in this post.

But we also have vehicles, so we should consider what kind of vehicles we want. And again, that's already a discussion on it's own. So for simplicití's sake let's just think of a classic MBT, and then a good old IFV.

For the MBT I see these options:

>go with the hip and cool method and put HMG on top of the turret and a co-axial GPMG next to the gun

>be hipsters and switch them for a co-axial HMG and a GPMG on the top

>use two GPMGs like how the Germans do it (pic related is an MG3 with a system that changes from one barrel to the next when it's overheated from constant firing)

>use two medium machine guns for increased range

>do what I'd do and use two revolver "cannons" that fire your standard GPMG rounds and have a variable rate-of-fire, so you can use them as simple GPMGs or go full BRRRT

>be even more of a 12 years old and put two Gatling gats on it

>for maximum lulz go with two Gatling guns that fire HMG rounds

>or put one or two autocannons on it, with or without additional machine guns

For the IFV:

>basically all of the above

>but consider how it's better if you can supply the same ammo for the vehicle and the dismounted infantry, so that they can even share it if they have to

Notice how I didn't even mention snipers anywhere in this post who might actually use this round the most. Do you want snipers to snipe at people 2km away, or are you more of an artillery guy?


1cddbd No.519507

Make a partial HK21E clone the primary issue rifle for everyone, still belt fed and change the cartridge to a modernized .280 british

Make the primary sidearm of the country a full auto and ruggedized PMR-30 esque thing re-chambered in a rimmed straight wall .17 HMR

for an HMG we're gonna steal that double barrel .50 FN made but scale it up to a 16mm cartridge of our own design

For the PDW? We're gonna straight up clone a Koborov, probably the TKB-408, and take the 7.62x39 case, and make it a straight wall monstrosity that looks like fuddy five had a gay sex baby with .30 carbine and the result was a very angry rifle caliber 10mm

SF/Recon/Covert Action rifle will be a bastardization of the FN CAL and a G36C/XM8. Basically make it a 10.3-12.5" long barrel and thin the metal out then reinforce it with carbon fiber/zytel type polymers, integrally suppress the barrel and chamber it in the PDW round in sub sonic rather than the issue round. If it's done correctly it should look a little like an AS VAL got ass fucked by the Boat Gun.

I can't think of anything I'd want to do for a DMR, shotgun, or grenade launcher that's reasonable so Idk about that yet.


2228be No.519515

>>519505

60mm mortars arent effective 2km away.

t. 60mm mortar see'er


007267 No.519526

File: 6cd50dc262250dc⋯.jpg (171.78 KB, 1819x1279, 1819:1279, 6cd50dc262250dc78a7b011149….jpg)

>>519515

What kind of 60mm mortars? I can imagine that some Cold war relics is too inaccurate for the job after decades of use, but our Honvédség bought some 60mm Spanish mortars that have a maximum range of 1970m in handheld mode. It's stated that properly set up the range is 3800m. Now, that's of course just the marketing, but in practice it seems to be good enough for accurate fire against targets 2-3km away.

>see'er

Is that how you say server in Canuckland?


7fad54 No.519620

File: e3b489449d9b240⋯.jpg (53.39 KB, 315x315, 1:1, 1418238804747.jpg)

>all these random calibers

How do you know if the trajectory and weight are shit or not where you end with a garbage round like .40S&W.


511788 No.519663

>>519620

>What is ballistics?


511788 No.519664

>>519620

>What is ballistics?


325bd1 No.519665

File: 55c7f490ca7096e⋯.jpg (82.7 KB, 640x424, 80:53, russians-examine-aGerman-m….jpg)

File: c07d2ec0f594627⋯.jpg (257.87 KB, 1280x854, 640:427, 1280px-2S4_Tyulpan.jpg)

How about a rapid fire 10inch mortar system?


3f0bbf No.519760

File: b7d266e25422a9e⋯.gif (999.49 KB, 250x251, 250:251, we just don't know.gif)


1c14d3 No.519865

how about a toggle lock from a luger but combined with the 8mm mauser bullet. the kicker is it would have 4 firing modes, single, 3 round burst, auto and 10 round burst. the 10 round burst would be a glitch that happens on 3 round burst sometimes doe to a faulty mechanism though


1c14d3 No.519867

File: 7e8aa452f5dcd37⋯.png (42.29 KB, 564x152, 141:38, EfZwokv.png)

>>519865

forgot pic


325bd1 No.519870

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>519865

What about a hybrid of the AK-107 and the..


325bd1 No.519871

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

and the La France M14k in something like 7.5 or .260?


9926d5 No.519872

>>519500

Eh, it's still gas impingement, not gas delayed blowback, lol


1b54cd No.519923

HiPoint carbines but with bayonets.


26f3f2 No.519979

>>519923

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7fbea7 No.520306

File: 0dd9c24d137b9cd⋯.jpg (91.37 KB, 600x450, 4:3, sdampr10.jpg)

>>519252

>HEAP with negligible recoil

So you want a pulse rifle, instead.


c17995 No.521668

>>519034

Caseless ammunition is retarded and there's no chance it will never be used


c17995 No.521670

>>519923

The most realistic


60a8f3 No.521687

>>521668

>there's no chance it will never be used

…Is this sentence structure deliberate?




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