/k/ - Weapons

PAINT.NET or GIMP, take your pick. Is there a version of gun.deals for a FUCKING leaf?

Going to split AR15 into its own section (any other recommendations for rifles, both AR and not AR?)

AR15

The evil black rifle the media and rest of the Democrats hate. What they don't tell you (and the real reason they want to ban it) is the AR15 is the most popular rifle platform in the United States, and because of this the AR15 platform offers the most spare parts and customization around. 5.56 ammo is fairly cheap, as are magazines (Magpul gen 3 with window, regarded as one of the best options, will cost $13 plus shipping. Be warned that mag quality varies wildly by brand so check reviews). 5.56 is also ideal for home defense, as it's light weight and tumbling once it hits a target makes it poor at penetrating walls (even a pistol caliber like 9MM will go through more), so it won't kill your neighbor/kids if you miss (you will) or it goes through the bad guy.

M&P15 Sport II ~$470

>has sights so can shoot out of the box

>S&W has good customer service

<cheap ass handguard that will melt if you fire it a lot (good Magpul handguard is ~$30 after shipping and easy to install)

<non-standard barrel that adds some weight to the front though it is quite accurate

PSA Freedom Rifle $450

>good furniture and not bad trigger preinstalled

<PSA's customer service isn't the worst but it is SLOW

<because sales rotate, you may need to wait a week, more if you want a specific furniture color (black/flat dark earth) or gas system length (mid-length/carbine)

<no rear sight (40 for really good one)

PSA Kit (~$410+$40-60aluminum lower from local store+35 USD in basic tools)

Make sure your kit includes a bolt carrier group and charging handle, preferably sights as well. M-lok handguard is better than Keymod

>generally gets you a better gun than you'll otherwise get at your price range

<rotation is even more true with the the variety of options on sale

<requires basic tools (punches, a buffer tube wrench and a masking tape) some assembly required, but you'll want this for maintence anyways

>>509115

How do I make paint.net align the text and images instead of doing it by hand? As for your question I'd recommend finding a dedicated Canadian gun forum and asking there.

>>509117

>tumbling

fragmenting

>won't kill your kids

Might, It will go through a few sheets of drywall. Two sheets (what most houses have separating rooms) won't stop the fragments. Plus that's really only if you hit it at an angle. If you shoot straight through, it won't fragment or it will fragment late and you could easily kill your kids that way. You're right though that overpenetration isn't really an issue.

>M&P sport II

>$470

You can go cheaper. Can get a bear creek arsenal AR from classic for $400, only need the rear sight (which can be pretty cheap).

Also it's probably fine but it's worth noting PSA's security issues and lack of disclosure.

>paint.net

You can drag the text box and stuff, use layers if you have to.

>>509117

Oh and because this is almost certainly going to hit new people, it should include a bit of information on common pistol calibers. Does this look sufficient?

22 Short/Long Rifle/Magnum: These are for target shooting, training and small game (e.g., squirrel) hunting, not self-defense. They are however cheap and the ammo is dirt cheap, so you'll want one to practice with.

9mm (9x19, 9mm NATO, 9mm Parabellum, 9mm Luger): The standard pistol round used by most police and all professional military around the world. 9mm is powerful enough to kill while not being uncontrollable (or at least as much as one could get in a handgun).

380 ACP (9x17): A weaker cartridge than 9mm, however because of this lower power it can be used in straight blowback handguns which are very cheap to make. Ammo costs more than 9MM and will quickly erode any cost advantage with regular practice. 380s can also be made much smaller than 9mms.

9x18 (9mm Makarov): A slightly more powerful variant of 380 ACP with the advantage of cheap ammo. However, all guns in this caliber will be former Soviet Bloc surplus as the Soviets designed the cartridge to be completely incompatible with guns and tooling common in NATO countries.

45 ACP (45 Auto): The handgun cartridge used by the US in both World Wars, Korea, and Vietnam. Travels slower than 9mm but has a heavier projectile. Believed to have a higher stopping power than 9mm, but FBI data suggests any such increase is negligible and larger size means a decrease in capacity over 9mm. Costs more than 9MM

40 S&W: A midpoint between 9MM and 45 ACP used by the FBI from 1990 to 2016, with several police forces following suit. Unadopted in 2016 in favor of 9mm because it shared most of the same disadvantages as 45 ACP. As a result of this recent unadoption guns in 40 S&W can be found much cheaper than 9mm variants while ammo is not too much more (who knows how long this will last).

38 Special/357 Magnum: These are the standard modern revolver cartridges. Both are sufficient for self defense (at least as far as any revolver is), though 357 Magnum is more powerful and preferred. 357 Magnum guns can fire 38 Special, but not vice-versa.

Any recommendations for hearing protection other than Howard Leight disposable ear plugs doubled up with Howard Leight Impact Sport (with a warning about counterfeits on Amazon)?

>>509121

I'm just posting ones I'm actually familiar with, especially as those two are the ceiling for what I'd consider "budget". A writeup on a Bear Creek's pros and cons would be good if you have experience with it.

>>509121

>>tumbling

>fragmenting

Depends on the specific load, some tumble while others fragment. Also depends on what its penetrating.

>>509125

>>509121

How about:

>The evil black rifle the media and rest of the Democrats hate. What they don't tell you (and the real reason they want to ban it) is the AR15 is the most popular rifle platform in the United States. A result of this popularity is the AR15 platform offers the most spare parts and customization around, as well as some of the cheapest prices. 5.56 ammo is fairly cheap, as are magazines: Magpul gen 3 with window, regarded as one of the best options, will cost ~$13 plus flat shipping and several quality alternatives can be found for less. Be warned that mag quality varies wildly by brand so check reviews. 5.56 is also ideal for home defense, as it's light weight and will tumble/fragment once it hits a target, making it poor at penetrating walls (even a pistol caliber like 9MM will go through more), so it is less likely to kill your neighbor/kids if you miss (under pressure you will) or it goes through the bad guy. The light recoil and weight make it comfortable to shoot and easy to make follow up shots with.

And add a earlier along the lines of this at the start of home defense (would put shotguns and rifles next to eachother with pistols to the right, with this leading both like the top of a pyramid)

>Handguns suck for home defense. They are hard to use under stress and very weak compared to shotgun and rifle rounds. The average break in has two criminals (i.e., there are often 3 or more) and those that don't flee/surrender at the sight of an armed resident shining a bright light in their face are likely on drugs or very aggressive (i.e., single shots will often fail to stop a threat immediately). Capacity and capability for followup shots are important for a home defense firearm.

>>509126

>And add a earlier along the lines of this at the start of home defense (would put shotguns and rifles next to eachother with pistols to the right, with this leading both like the top of a pyramid)

Yea I think it needs to be made very clear that handguns are really only for places where you cant carry a long gun, for instance in public inb4 some faggot talking about OC'ing an AR15 at his local mall. Since this is for nogunz it should also mention that shotguns work nothing like what they are portrayed in movies and video games and you still need to aim them since the spread of 12g 00 buck at hallway distances is at worst baseball sized and at best basketball sized.

Also that bit about hearing protection should be emphasised, discharging a gun in a confined space like a hallway WILL fuck your hearing up and in some cases may even cause slight disorientation that greentext of the guy who used his 20mm for self defence comes to mind.

>>509123

I don't, I just know it's cheap. Honestly it's probably the exact same shit as the M&P, just a few bucks cheaper.

>>509125

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure if your bullets are tumbling then you have an issue. 5.56 will typically yaw but it will usually explode into fragments after doing so unless it's going too slow, which is what you want. My point there really was that fragmenting is what's expected and intended, although It was mostly just autistic pedantry. There are rounds (such as 5.45x39) that were made to tumble as their method of energy-dumping, though.

More importantly was that I didn't want OP to lead people into a false-sense of security by telling them that it's okay to miss. In the case of drywall, unless you hit it straight on, your bullet is going to explode into treats fragments. Best case scenario is that this happens immediately and the energy can be partially absorbed or even mostly absorbed by more sheets of drywall. Worst case scenario (maybe even worse than hitting the wall straight on with no fragmentation) would be yawing after the hitting drywall and then exploding once it hits the other piece of drywall or soon after, spraying shards of hot lead everywhere.

That can happen when hitting a person too, but it's less of an issue. If your bullet explodes as it's leaving your target, you still have a few sheets of dry-wall to absorb that energy.

>>509123

>9x18 (9mm Makarov)

As far as I'm aware, that's not actually that common of a cartridge in the United States. The only reason you'd want to include it in the list is because Makarovs are, or at least were, cheap and plentiful.

>>509113

>>509113

>Freedom Group Boogeyman

Epic meme

>>509141

I mentioned 5.45x39, I believe. Looking at your chart, 5.56 only tumbles (really it just yaws) when they use AP bullets.

>>509139

Hence why I put "all guns in this caliber will be former Soviet Bloc surplus"

>>509139

it's easy ammo to get a hold of still at least in my area. also combloc shit is still fairly cheap and plentiful.

>>509139

I haven't been in to a serious gunshop in a long time that didn't have 9x18 on the shelf. If you're wanting to exclude on the basis of 'Not stocked at the walmart' then a ton of good options are out the window.

>>509191

dont forget about tux paint

>>509127

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/137/974/de8.jpg

bump , even though this is useless unless i move to freedom land

>>509250

is that a piece of a tire as a buttstock ?

>>509115

Another leaf here. The premise of our infographic is going to be different because of different laws. For Americans, they're going to want compacts and carry guns for their pistols. AR's are a dime a dozen and they're unregistered in most states, etc. I'll try and categorize some shit as a baseline starting point.

Pistols: Duty sized, steel/alumnminim frame is a plus, a rail for a THOT detector is wonderful.

Some entry level options include:

>Canik: Has rail. Double stack. Duty Sized. Plastic. Good ergos. Comes with 3 mags and some other cool shit.

>Toks: Cheap to feed. Reliable. Built like a tank. 7.62x25 is respectable. No rail. Steel frame.

>M&P: Is like a Glock, but $200 cheaper up here. Multiple calibers available.

>Steyr: Is like a Glock but better, but is also going up in price every time I look at them.

>Norincoshit: Cheap knockoffs with a reputation for reliability. Some of their Sig clones have better triggers than actual Sigs, but all of them have shit finish. Handling one before purchase is almost a must.

After that you're going to start getting into the $750-$1000 range and at that point, your options really open up. CZ, Arsenal, H&K, Walther, etc.

Long Guns:

>Dominion Arms/Norinco M1A's. Poor fit and finish, deadnuts reliable. Norinco is chambering M1A's in 7.62x39 now too.

>SKS. Yes.

>Norinco/Dominion Arms AR's. Cheap. Reliable. Also Restricted, so…

>Mosin. No. Not worth the same price as an SKS. Stop fucking buying them.

After that you're getting into the $1000 range. NEA15's, Colt ARs, Tikka bolt guns, CZ bolt guns, Henry levergats, etc.

Shotguns:

>Dominion Arms. Pump actions only, and stay away from box mag fed shit.

>Armsan Weatherby clones. Cheap. Reliable.

>Norinco coach gun. Double barrel SBS, what's not to love.

>Armsan break action shotguns. Literally $200 for a single shot break action 12ga brand new. Small and compact backpacking models available.

>Mossberg 500 series. Personally I think spending the extra money on the 590A1 is worth it.

>Stay the fuck away from Remington.

After that you're getting into the $1000 range and things like the Derya Mk12 become available.

That's just my two cents though. My format's probably shit, but I've got to get some sleep before work so I don't want to be here longer than I already have.

>>509115

Honestly, this right here, minus the compact handguns (because liberals are scared of .380acp and guns that are difficult to shoot accurately) is pretty well spot on. The prices are different up here, but we can get most of that shit. Just crop the compacts out and add the Caniks and Norincos. As for the rifles and shotguns, just expand them a little to add Norincos/DominionArms and we're good.

>>509115

Fuck me, I meant to include this: >>509278

I need some sleep.

>>509278

I was thinking of 500 for rifles (and only rifles) because 400-500 range has very big improvements over the sub-400 (you get commerical spec stock garbage on most of the sub-400).

>>509164

>Looking at your chart, 5.56 only tumbles (really it just yaws) when they use AP bullets.

You have to remember though that those are when the bullet is travelling through ballistics gel, hitting a thin barrier like a drywall wont cause the bullet to fragment in mid-air on the other side but rather it will cause it to destabilise and start tumbling.

In this vid the .223 doesn't fragment and holds together through 10 layers of drywall, it does start keyholing though. The drywall being that close together does make a difference and if the sheets were spaced apart like what they would be in a room then the bullet would penetrate less sheets.

>>509404

>/k/ approved

>from a tripfag

>wanting to drop 40 dollars on a spare magazine

git out

Oh with used AR15s everywhere and most gun stores not bothering to sort them or price them differently they could be a source of a cheap rifle. Any suggestions for people looking at one?

>ask if you can remove the takedown pins and bolt to look at the rifling, if you can't walk away

(need a good way to describe fucked up rifling for no-guns)

>pull the charging handle and release the bolt a few times to make sure it works consistently and the charging handle isn't scraping against the lower

>look at the furniture, Magpul furniture generally indicates a better rifle

>if the rifle uses a standard handguard, look down the holes on it, if you can't see metal around the holes (meaning there is no heatshield) this AR cut significant corners for lower cost

>check if the rifle uses a commercial or mil-spec (what's an easy way to do this without dis assembly and not dependent upon specific types of butstock?)

>>509404

The Springfield is defiantly out. Beretta 92 isn't all that well liked, though that's largely because it was obsolete almost straight after the US adopted it and not because it's a bad gun. HK probably costs too much. I've never heard of the Caracal.

>>509410

>Caracal

They're UAE produced guns designed by an ex-Steyr engineer. The only other thing of interest was the Caracal C was initially released on the US Market, then literally disappeared. As in them making a huge effort to track down and buy back every single one that shipped. As far as I'm aware there's never been a satisfactory reason given, but it soured me on the whole series.

>>509404

>"""/k/"""

>actually some tripfag

>caracal

>FNX

>(((Jericho)))

>ruger

>XD

>>>/4cuck/

>>509359

Here's what I was using to base my claims off of:

http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html

I think I was misremembering since I read it a while ago. 5.56 will definitely shoot through a wall but it isn't going to go through several walls unless you use heavier loads.

Still, even more reason that OP shouldn't put "won't kill your kids if you miss," since that's only going to be true if your kids are on the other side of the house and behind several walls.

>>509421

Some are polymer frame, they also do the traditional steel frame. You also have to distinguish the EAA Tanfoglio Witnesses from the turkish CZ clones they also import.

The poly Witnesses are probably the best bang for your buck going now, it's just a shame they're all built on the large frame and don't take standard CZ-75 mags. The plus side is that with a slide/mag swap you can put anything from .22lr to 10mm and .38 Super.

So what brands of defensive ammo are considered reliable?

>Hornady Critical Defense

>Speer Gold Dot

>>509425

Isn't the Hornady zombie bullshit just their defensive loads but in a gimmicky box sold for cheaper?

I started typing something of that caliber a while back. Then I got shit to do and gave up halfway.

here is the dump if you want it:

================

Handgun if you intend to carry it on your person at the ready at any time to go out fighting.

Litteraly the only advantage of a pistol is being small. If you don't make use of that size, better get something with more accuracy, firepower, and capacity.

Shotgun if you want a home/car "FUCK NOPE" option, but plan on disengaging/getting help from the cops before the situation gets into a siege.

[spoiler] Shotguns have great stopping power and psychological impact at close range, and lose their dangerousness at longer range or through barriers. This last point is a good thing when fighting from your car/in your home. [spoiler]

Rifle, intermediate caliber if you plan to engage aggressively and for relatively extend fights, wether it's to get in, or out of a situation, or someone trying to get in, or out from multiple possible angles.

Assault Rifles (In the broad sense of the term) is something light so you can manoeuver with it quickly and have great ammo capacity so you can afford to miss and squeeze in the panic of an intense fight.

Rifle, full caliber if you expect to fight a battle and engage multiple opponents.

[spoiler] The term of "battle rifle" is to be taken litteraly.

7.62x has great availability, good lethality (even when the target has access to medical care and you won't be able to finish him off), is great at penetrating barriers, and has good range.

You use those when you need to make every shot count, but have time to think, manoeuver, and aim, but not /that/ much time. [/spoiler]

Go for bolt action sniper caliber (.308 is good enough for beginners) if you intend to take down strategically important targets (and I don't necessarily mean peoples.)

Nothing much to say, remember to practice right obviously, and know that taking the shot is only part of a good op. Everything else is planning for the worst. lapua is for rich kids, you'll get more accuracy out of practice than hardware, and you''ll get more practice out of shit-tier cheap-ass ammo.

Also, PDW are great if you plan to /avoid/ trouble, but plan to fight all teeth out if the battle comes to you.

PS:

War > Battle > Assault > Fight.

Flee - Attack - Defend.

Knows where you are, and what you are doing.

Have a plan, stick to it. But a good plan is one that can be thrown out the window at any moment.

Should we remake an infographic on gun selection, as things are heating up?

>>509425

>Top tier

Hornady Critical Duty.

Hornady Critical Defense.

Speer Gold Dot.

Winchester Ranger-T.

>I really want that sumbitch dead tier

Underwood.

Buffalo Bore.

Barnes HPB.

>Okay tier

Remington Golden Sabers.

Federal HST.

Winchester PDX-1.

Hornady XTP.

>It probably won't get you killed tier

Sig Personal Defense.

Federal Hydrashok.

PPU/Wolf Gold JHP.

>>509424

>it's just a shame they're all built on the large frame

At least the website lets you look up which one you have by serial #, because ordering mags would be a clusterfuck otherwise.

>You also have to distinguish the EAA Tanfoglio Witnesses

Yes, aren't the Tanfoglios marked on the magazine well as well as with FAB-92 on the frame?

Also, the 5' barrel version is a nail driller for the price, the trigger pull is also smooth.

>>509425

Generally anything by those two brands is considered solid. Buy a few different brands and see what runs best in your weapon once it's had some use in between cleanings if you want to be certain.

>>509430

>I really want that sumbitch dead tier

>Underwood

LEL

I wish I had the money to pick up more of their ammo, they seem like good people and probably have a hard time operating in the People's Bankrupt Republic of Illinois.

>>509474

Oh and I intend to add a white background instead of leaving it transparent. The Shield rebate is positioned weird so it can easily be removed without serious image editing tools after the offer ends.

>>509278

I do agree and removing all the shitty attempts at humor and putting the full of garbage section to include things like the Hi-Point and anything made under Bushmaster or Taurus.

Some suggestions you could make towards the shotguns is to remove the Rustington and have the Mossberg act as the sole premium option and add the Interstate Arms Hawk 981r/982 as another budget shotgun at the same price as the H&R Pardner. It's functionally another 870 clone made by the same company that makes the Pardner but instead of a humpback the 981r has a rail and front bead and the 982 has an adjustable ghost ring sight. I guess for a premium rifle option you could add WASRs considering they're now $600 new. It might be too expensive for most poorfriends but it shouldn't be too difficult to find a used one that works fine and is aligned.

>Any recommendations for hearing protection

Surefire Defenders are solid. It's small enough to be used underneath earmuffs and it has a cord that connects the two earplugs. However they come in 3 different sizes and you may need to try them out in order to find out which one fits you. Depending on the size/color it will cost you anywhere between $20-$30. For earmuffs you could go to any hardware store and get earmuffs designed for use with jackhammers.

>>509481

>hi-point

Just because a gun is ugly and handles like a clunky nigger doesn't mean it's garbage. A hi-point is more reliable than it franky deserves to be, but it is, and if it means a poorfag having a reliable firearm versus not having a firearm (or one that would get you killed) then you can hardly call it garbage. I'm not saying it's "good," just that "garbage" is a bit unfair.

Personally I'd rather have a hi-point than a taurus.

>>509481

>>Any recommendations for hearing protection

>not .380/9mm/.40 brass

fuck this board

Everything is cheap as fuck now so there's really no need for a guide.

>>509442

I am not the tripfag, which I thought was pretty obvious based on what I said

bumping

>>509113

>SKS

>$300-450

Goddamn, I picked up my SKS something like 4 years back for $260.

>>509855

Prices change, Anon.

YouTube e-celebs pushed the SKS and now they're magically good guns that everyone wants.

>>509848

I'm confused as to what ammo works with the 1858.

does this work with it? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/539065/hornady-xtp-bullets-50-caliber-sabot-with-44-caliber-240-grain-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-20

Oh on the Stevens 320, can anyone explain how pistol grip shotguns with a stock are bad? I can find plenty of pistol grip only shotguns being bad, but not pistol grip+stock. Best I can find is that it makes it harder to use some reloading techniques

>>509880

No, that's a .50 cal sabot round loaded with a modern .44 cal bullet.

You want something like: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1165132904/hornady-muzzleloading-bullets-round-ball

or the conical equivalent. Also note inside the caliber designation there are still different bullet sizes, in .44 cal you have .433, .451, and .454 just for example. You want to mic the bore and get what's closest to the actual bore size before you start loading.

Blackpowder is a bit more technical than other firearms in that nature, maybe someone with more experience than me could put a BP specific guide together?

>>509113

There's no Lever Actions under rifles. This is a travesty that must be corrected

>>509876

It doesn't help the supply isn't growing either.

>>509910

Give a recommendation because I can't recommend anything new other than that Rossi in .454 casull.

>>509910

>>509913

>lever guns

I really can't think of any less expensive new production guns for a list like this. Henry's are great, but this isn't 1860 so you should have a loading gate on a serious use firearm. Remington seems to be trying to push the new Gremlins out cheaper and cheaper but fuck them. You can still find older Winchester and Marlin .30-30's for decent prices, but you're still a good chunk into, if not all the way to the price of a budget AR or SKS, etc. Except for ban states I don't see the point.

>>509884

>can anyone explain how pistol grip shotguns with a stock are bad?

something about either the selector switch being in the wrong place, bad grip angle, and not being a traditional shotgun stock.

>>509884

If it's a mossberg style where the safety is mounted on top it becomes annoying to have to remove one of your hands and operate it. But if it's mounted by the trigger guard (the savage has this style) you can operate it by extending your finger like most other guns. Other than the safety and what you talked about it really comes down to personal preference and what kind of angles the gun has, but the pistol grip gives you a bit more control while the rifle grip is more comfortable. A bit of this comes from people who didn't specify pistol grip only shotguns and mixing them up with pistol grip with stock.

>>509546

>no need for a guide

Yes there is. Instead of having some fag asking the millionth time "what gun do I buy" we have something that isn't a dog shit list or "just buy the nugger" to refer to. Besides would you really just tell a friend to buy a gun without any tips or bearing on where to search? What if they come back home with an I.O. AK? That's like telling your daughter to meet a nice guy and have kids then she comes back with a malformed retard baby and a daddy that gets excited when he sees my little pony come on.

>>509910

If you want cheap lever guns then check Rossi but I think they are currently competing with marlin for the shittiest lever gun on the market. they make Mossbergs selection look good

Felt like this was the appropriate thread.

I got my Bersa for a great deal (Bersa Thunder, nickel finish) at $110 off a guy who needed cash (gun is clean). I'm looking at purchasing a SAR B6P/EAA Witness in the future.

However, as I have shot this Bersa at the range quite a bit, I'm unsure whether it's worth replacing in my SHTFF bag and to reinvest elsewhere.

The Bersa was keeping up distance and accuracy wise with my friend's Glock 19. I have nothing against purchasing another pistol, and I like the 9mm due to the ballistics and ease of finding it should we get into a situation where one needs to scavenge for ammo.

I'm also looking to getting the Stevens 12 gauge with pistol grip.

Is it worth replacing my Bersa with a full size?

>>509944

bersa is for CC. full size is for EDC. in SHTF, you would probably want a full size more than a cc, but i could see arguments going both ways honestly.

>>509990

Now that I think of it didn't Henry make a lever gun that eats .223 and .308, not that they'd be under 1k USD.

>>509993

Henry's are complex and require a good amount of knowledge to load (or you could shoot off your tube). that's why I wouldn't put them on.

>>509994

The ones I'm talking about are mag fed rather than tube.

>>509995

oh wow, I did not know you could get a lever box mag for 800$

that's worth a note

>>509995

>>509996

Three round capacity detachable mags with no way of loading through the action.

Not a real lever action design – it's a rotating bolt with the BCG driven by a rack and pinion.

I don't understand why this exists. It's a modern sporter / durr / varmint rifle trying to be something it's not.

>>510174

Oh and if anyone has the "I'm full of garbage" trashcan graphic without the massive artifacts in the original chart I could use it.

>>510174

Walther PPS M2 in 9mm are selling for about $350 right now, and currently have a $100 mail in rebate on top of it. Dunno if that's too pricey for the poorfag guide or not.

>>510174

EAA Turkish-made compact CZ clones. CDNN and a couple of other wholesale places have them constantly for the $250 mark new.

>>510222

>Is it any good?

Never seen a problem with them. The only ones on the planet that have proven themselves capable of fucking up a CZ-75 are the jews.

>>510174

Ruger LC9S are floating around $280-$300 on gunbroker and other sites. Never shot one myself, can't vouch for it but certainly affordable.

>>510275

That was one I was considering. I have the original LC9 and the only issue (aside from how hard it is to grip, which is a problem I'd have with any sub-compact) is the awful trigger. I've tried it in a shop and the LC9S is much better (though still a stock trigger from a sub-300 pistol)

Realized the holster bit has filler. Any recommendations there? Thinking Desantis and Galco but wondering if there's anything else to add.

>>510275

>>510293

I can vouch for the LC9s, it's a neat little gun. Haven't had problems with it yet.

>>510412

OK, I've added it.

Might be a good idea to put SKS back on. The price has gone up, but they're still often a good value, and the rifles section is pretty much all ARs right now. After that, what else would go in rifles? A cheap hunting rifle maybe?

>>510430

>rifles

Savage Axis? Ruger American?

>>510430

>$500 SKS

>good value

Fuck off.

>>510437

I can find Yugo SKS for just under 400. Even poor fags should just spend the extra 100 for a blem PSA AK-47.

>>510430

There is zero reason to recommend an SKS over an AK for poorfags at this point.

>>510446

Ban states and are those 400 dollar VZ's still floating around?

Realized I have no recommendations for shot and would ideally like a third defensive ammo for rifle.

>>510450

Federal #1 or 00 Buck with the Flitecontrol Wad. For rifles any decent hunting ammo will do, I'd just stay away from Combloc calibers with American manufacturers.

>>510430

>>510437

>>510445

Norinco/Yugos can still be had for $400 and even less occasionally. You can also get a Century AK for $450-$500 all the time. Is there a cheaper AK or else better for the same price?

>>510475

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/681126018

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/680891662

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/681141324

here's one priced suspiciously at $309:

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/681636263

While I wouldn't personally buy a milsurp rifle online without being able to look it over, maybe its a good choice, especially if your state is full commie.

>>510432

I was looking at the Savage Axis XP in 308. Comes with a scope mounted and boresighted for $280 (lowest I've seen, anyways). I'd say that's at least worthy of consideration.

>>510472

I got my Norinco for sub-400 but it's relatively beat up.

>>510430

>and the rifles section is pretty much all ARs right now

Given the election, ARs are very much in season. Prices are low.

>>510507

Good budget gun, not a good budget defense gun.

>>510482

>the ebay of guns

Not a solid source of gun prices.

How are Diamondback? Only heard of them because I compiled a list of gun makers in Florida once but know nothing about quality.

How's a Khar CW9? Can find it just under 300 at 2 dealer.

>>510617

I have two DB9's, the tiny ones. I love the gun, but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who isn't willing to tinker with it to ensure reliability. The factory trigger reset springs are far weaker than they need to be, and that issue has to be addressed before you should even think about carrying it.

>>510674

OK.

>>510475

I picked up a Norinco for $350, took awhile to get a 10rd mag and tapco shit off but I made her my own rifle with some wood

>>510806

I got a milsurp Norinco for the same price off of J&G. I think they still have a few left, but the age of sub-$400 SKSes is coming to an end.

>>509117

Hold shift in paint.net. It'll help a lot.

>>510832

Doesn't that force things to be moved in increments?

>>512229

I think most of the SD ammo listed on the big one would work with a price update.

>>512229

>ruger lc9s

>accidentally re-engage safety accidentally

My 'tism demands the deletion of one "accidentally"

>>512261

Fixed.

>>512242

Winchester Super X is the only ammo it really recommends.

>>512229

Might be good to also mention alternate versions of some of these, like "also comes in X caliber for a few bucks more". Like with that hipoint, $140 for that 916 and around $144 for the .45 model. Especially worth noting for the hipoint, since you're not getting a capacity increase with lower calibers and would only benefit in ammo costs.

>acessories

Spellcheck for an infographic is pretty important to remember.

I'd almost consider including single shot ball-and-cap guns unnecessary. Almost LARP tier unless that's the only fun you can get. I'd think it more worth it to include some milsurp pistol instead unless shit like makarovs and tokarevs went the way of the mosin and sks and got memed into stupid prices.

Needs better formatting, you seem to be too concerned with keeping the image narrow. Look at the 2015 edition, it has everything spread out just enough that you don't have the rifle section bleeding into the same column as the pistol section, some punch set right below a pistol making it look like it's part of the category. Spread out, even in the era of 4:3 and 5:4 monitors this is too narrow, while still being too high res either way for phonefagging.

Try adding some information to the trash/garbage/shit listing for the shotgun and rifle categories, explain why those companies are shit. Something basic like the handgun's "poorly made, blow up in your hands" will suffice. People not already in the know will probably wonder why your'e saying Cerberus/Freedom group are bad and might dismiss it and the infographic entirely if their conclusion is "muh brand competition". Also

>/k/ infographic

>no mention of 10millimemeter ammo in the ammo section

>no mention of .44 mag/special

.50AE I can see leaving out because the deagle meme, but there's probably some weapon out there in 10mm or .44 that's within the cheaper price range or fairly close, especially given you're mentioning 9x18 and .40 without any guns on the list using them.

Possible point of contention is the lack of any guns but one revolver and one meme LARP gun that aren't in 9mm. Leaving a lot of shit out.

>>512349

>but there's probably some weapon out there in 10mm or .44 that's within the cheaper price range or fairly close,

EAA Witness Steel or Poly can be found for the $450 mark in 9x19, .40, .45, 10mm, and .38 Super. Don't know of any other 10mm that cheap unless you luck into a used Glock.

>>512349

Where is the misspelled "acessories"?

>single shot ball-and-cap

Only cap and ball is a revolver.

Forgot I was intending to include Makarov. What were the good and shit countries for a Makarov?

Will work on the formatting.

How about this?

>Trash - Garbage - Shit

>Avoid anything from companies owned by Cerberus Capital/Freedom Group, as cutting quality control is their first priority after acquisition. This includes all products by Bushmaster (after 2006), Remington (2007), H&R (2007), DPMS Panther (2007), and Marlin (2008). If you want to spend several hundred dollars for something that's going buy some lotto tickets: They have better odds. Used guns predating these dates are OK. This applies to rifles as well.

>>512349

Oh and I listed some calibers that aren't recommended for the same reason as 22, so the buyer understands why they aren't recommended. Without it they wouldn't know that 380 is going to be a weak gun that's expensive to feed or that used 40 may or may not be a deal.

Working out a 2x2 page redesign, I'll have more space open for carry guns so recommend any revolvers ect.

>>510617

kahr will not touch a gun that is even mildly finicky under warranty until you put a massive amount of ammo downrange.

>>512229

Put Paul Harrell, Mike B, and Brent0331, everyone knows those fucking channels and MAC is a shill.

>>512356

>acessories

In the Hi-Point entry.

I misread the 1858/1863 section.

Trash-garbage-shit section rewrite looks good.

>>512356

Realized I was missing part of the third sentence, should be

>If you want to spend several hundred dollars for something that's only maybe going to work, buy some lotto tickets

>>512391

Will do.

>>512229

Anyone else notice the top 1/4 of "The No Excuses Guide" is transparent? Other than that, nice job.

>>512401

Yeah, I realized that as soon as I posted it. The current way of adding the white background was only for readability in prototyping.

Reorganizing the chart has given me space for an AR mag section. Any other suggestions for this?

>For metal: OKAY Surefeed, D&H, and Brownells

>For polymer: Magpul, Lancer, and Daniel Defense

Thinking of ETS, but all the praise I see for them is for their Glock mags, not their AR mags.

>>512356

Bulgarian and Chinese makarovs are good and it wouldn't be hard to find a used Bulgarian one under $220. Also, D&H magazines can be a bitch to load if they're new, would recommend compressing and releasing the springs a few times to break them in but otherwise they're great.

>>509489

Yeah, I was wrong to put Hi-points in garbage tier. Their carbines handle incredibly well despite them being ugly as sin.

>>512410

How are Polish Makarovs? Those seem to be fairly common.

Oh, unless someone can give me an alternative semi-auto centerfire rifle or two that's under 500 and viable for home defense, I'm just going to delete the extra placeholders and leave M&P15, PSA Freedom Rifle and PSA kit build.

>>509404

Just for shits and giggles, throw on the CZ P09, the CZ P10, and the CZ 97.

Oh, the USP, and since apparently no one fucking noticed this, the 1911.

>>512411

>Makarov

Are you talking about the P-64 or the P-83? Neither are Makarovs, but they're chambered in 9x18.

>P-64

Almost identical to the Walther PPK. Snappy recoil, stupidly heavy double-action trigger, very light audible reset, unexpected single-action trigger that's incredibly light, safety that doubles as a decocker, hammer block safety, worthless ironsights, and heavy enough to beat someone's head in if you run out of magazines.

On the plus side, all types of ammunition will feed with no problem.

>P-83

They don't like Hornady's self-defense loads but work fine with everything else. Hammer bite is a major problem if you like having a high grip on pistols. The mag release is almost a push-button, so it's much quicker than a Makarov as well. Ergonomics are okay, think of a P-38(which the gun copies pretty well). Slide release is decent - I wouldn't worry about it causing malfunction because the shape of the slide cut pulls it back a short distance before it releases.

>>512450

Thanks. Will note these aren't actually Makarovs.

>>512414

Why not include bolt-actions? Toss a warning there that self-defense scenarios don't favor something with a slow fire rate if needed, but a bolt is cheap and is certainly better than nothing.

>>512609

>Hi-point still has misspelled "acessories"

>>512657

Because you won't get a centerfire one under 200. If you did it will have no provisions to mount a light and have no sights. At that point a shotgun is better all the way.

Fixed the accessories. No idea why that was still there.

How are AR-556 and MSR-15?

Put in the Walther CCP for handgun. It's under 300 and it has some good reviews (Karl, MAC, NutNFancy). All the stuff about guns for women I've looked at and personal experience with my mom and sister shows easy slide manipulation is an important thing for women (and men with disabilities or advanced age. The Shield and XD are the common recommendations for carry guns with easy slide manipulation and I obviously can't recommend the XD now.

Added Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw for rifle ammo per Dr. Gary Robert's data. Also added a note under Mossberg 500/590 that Mossberg 930 can sometimes be found under 400 (it's not a consistent low, but a big enough upgrade it's worth noting)

>>509281

Good info, I'd recommend the 590s over 500s too because if you buy a new one you need to replace the action slide tube assembly to upgrade the forend. We should also split the graph up based on the restriction class of firearm.

>>514345

Is there actual interest?

I started, working on one,but gave up due to doing there being only a couple of others frogs on the board, and I didnt' feel like there was a need.

Might do a European-targeted one, since EU laws are actually pretty standardized.

>>509113

You can/should throw on the ruger american rifles in .300BLK/5.56MM as inexpensive and generally awesome rifles. Factory threaded, pic top, and usually ~300- 250.

I really wanna get one in .300BLK, stick a reflux can on it, and put an aimpoint or an eotech on it for maximum tacticool.

Anyway, I'm tempted to make an infographic for building the best AR you can for the least hassle. Any interest? I'm not a pro but I have spent a very long time figuring out the parts combos that let you put together a truly factory grade rifle in your garage for the least amount of money, and I've gone through 4-5 builds of constant improvement to figure it out properly.

>>514212

I'd put Cooey guns on that list. Made in Canada and all are less than $200. Plenty of Turkish guns are cheap as shit, downside is that you're buying a Turkish gun. Norchinko M305 and M305a are decent, just make sure not to buy from (((Marstar))). We used to get dirt cheap SVTs and K11s, but the supply's dried up and now they go for $600 at the cheapest.

>>514351

The released the Ruger American Ranch in 7.62x39 recently too.

>>514351

Would definitely be a good companion.

>>514376

>>514351

Speaking of that, I was considering 7.62x39 for the price but how do .300 BLK and the ruskie round compare?

>>514384

300 blk is superior in everything except price.

>>514351

Oh and I won't add the Ruger American because this is about defense and the only ones that come with sights are magnified optics. There's a shit ton of cheap bolt actions now worth their own guide if someone wants to make one though.

>>514385

Alright, thanks. It looks like it can be reloaded and I could stockpile it and use it with AR-15 receivers later on.

>>514350

Ok, no problem, but can you at least comment on my little choices? I just want some direction.

Thanks.

>>514350

I'd actually like to get some pointers on how to actually get into the whole business. I think I get how a C category license works but the legislation on B category is so weird.

>>509992

You can get the 336W for under $400 at most Wally Worlds

>>509278

Fucking Long Island jacks up the prices for everything got a Turkish gew88 for 450

>>514919

Looks great. Is there anything you need help with? I'd love to help you get this done ASAP

Also, does anyone have a source for makarovs under $280 except for classic firearms? Classic has them for $275 but once they run out I'm afraid it's just going be be a bunch of $400 maks of gunbroker from now on (barring, of course, a new influx of maks from overseas at an unknown future date).

I'm so disappointed with the milsurp jews who buy guns at sub $300 just to sell them $4-600 hundred on gunbroker. I missed out on a cheap sks and got a mak without any accessories for cheap but original mags are $50/each. Fantastic.

Last thing: buy a bulgarian mak from classic for $275 before they dry up. I have a feeling you will never see them for under $400 again with the current, sad surp market trend

>>514923

Daily reminder that those "people" are the same ones who want the unconstitutional gun laws to stay and stay strict so they can profit from it.

>>514923

>Is there anything you need help with?

I need

>good CC pistol under 300 (or something related worth putting in that space)

>good YouTube channels for instructional stuff (or other links. Think I'll put ModernFirearms and the /k/ wiki there, maybe add Forgotten Weapons, InRange and C&Rsenal)

>good holster makers

>>514944

>good CC pistol under 300 (or something related worth putting in that space)

Ruger LCP II: $215 new. Even cheaper used, presumably. The only obvious downside to this pistol is that it's so small that Marco Rubio would have a hard time getting a good grip on it.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/22617/Firearms/Handguns/Ruger/Ruger+Pistols/Ruger+LCP+II+.380ACP

I'm very surprised to see that you did not included a Bersa in the CC list. As >>509944 mentioned, Bersa is a cheap (sub $300 new), reliable and durable line of firearms.

Unfortunately I have no personal experience with Bersa but Sootch00 gives it an overwhelming positive review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyirTkEg-bM).

Bersa CC .380 8+1 new $289.00: https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/72190/Bersa+THUN380DTCC+Thunder+Concealed+Carry+8%2B1+380ACP+3.2%22

Since you already have a Ruger in the CC list I think you should include a Bersa.

Brent0331, Guns, Camouflage, and Marines, enough said.

As far as youtubers go here is who I follow and I'd recommend all 5 of them as educational:

Brent0331

Iraqveteran8888

hickok45

Miculek.com- The Leaders in Gun Control!

sootch00

(mattv2099 meme tier)

I wouldn't recommend any of the tactical gucci operators such as Garand Thumb. Although they occassionally post informative videos most of it is "hey check out this $2000 rifle setup".

>>514945

Problem with the Bersa and LCP II are they are 380s. I've avoided recommending 380s because they generally cost 4 cents or so more than 9mm a round if you buy in bulk, more if you don't. The LCP II will cost more than an LC9S in less than 2000 rounds.

>>514944

Don't forget aggregate websites like gunbot.com and gunwatcher.com which compare the prices of guns and ammo from dozens of popular websites. Those are the two which know of - hopefully someone else knows a better website for comparing gun prices.

Gunbot is amazing for ammo deals.

>>514406

>>514350

>>514345

So here's my EU/France draft:

HOW TO GET GUNS: EU Edition.

So, first, the top laws are from the European Union.

Each country is supposed to have applied them by now, with the option to "regulate" /more/, but not less. UK has a LOT more regulations for examplen but that being said a lot of eastern countries basing their defense on civilians reserve have work arounds…

France has applied textbook EU regulations, nothing less, nothingmore and I am French, so those are the one I am going to explain here.

Gun are classed into categories.

CAT D: Anything that's vaguely dangerous but not gun powder-based, or any gun made before 1901, or something like that. Basically airgun, crossbows and blackpowder guns.

CAT C: Non-self loading (aka pump or bolt action), long (>70cm total, >41cm barrel), rifled guns. Except if chambered in:

CAT B: 5.56, 12.7, 7.62x39, "handgun calibers" and probably a couple I forgot.

Anything below 70cm total, or barrel shorter than 41cm.

Any and all self-loading (semi-auto) guns.

Cat A: Full auto, >20mm calibers, explosives, tactical nukes.

You can not carry any weapon, no matter the categorie, and you may only transport them between private property and shooting clubs.

The difference between carry and transport being defined by the gun/weapon being immediately usable or not. Ammo need to stay separate, but separate is very vague and the jurisprudence tends to define it as "as long it's not inside the gun, it's fine.", so throwing everything in a single backpack is alright.

For cat D you need an ID, and that's it. Most powerful airguns/blackpowder guns may be registered at buy time, but nobody gives a fuck since you can sell it right back.

For Cat C you need the same thing, have your shooting license (so be part of a club) or hunting license (wich is lifetime).

So you can get your hunting license if you don't want to be bothered ever again, but you should train up anyway, so don't whine and pay up.

Registered at buy time, and that's it.

For Cat B: You need to be part of a shooting club, and have 3 controlled shootings in the last year, each separated by two months at least. Basically go to your club staff whenever you think about it, and have them stamp the thing.

Then fill out the bazillion pages of bullshit, wait for 2 months, and wait your authorization the mail.

You get 3 at a time, and they don't specify if it's to convert a .22 to semi auto or get a drum-mag .50cal, so they are ALWAYS accepted, unless you shouldn't even be allowed near a gun in the first place.

Then go to your gunshop, and same thing as cat C.

For Cat A: You will need to be a registered terrorist, a millitary contractor, or part of some shady CIA-funded black ops.

Contact me after wiring 1Mil to my account, and I will get you in the program.

BUT THAT DOESNT TELL ME WICH GUN TO GET.

Alright you nigger.

This is deserving of its own thread, but in short:

When in doubt, buy CZ.

If you want something fun still kinda usefull, maybe, look at Chiappa's bullshit.

If you want to make holes in paper, checkout Mossberg, Savage, Remington, sort by price lowest first, take the coolest-looking one.

If the idea of sorting by lowest price first disgust you, do the same but with Tikka/Sako.

For anything else, come back to /k/.

But seriously. When in doubt, buy CZ.

>inb4 reddit formatting.

I don't know why it happens and I giveup trying to figure out why.

>>514954

>noticing those

>not redditunknown's twitch stream self-sucking grounds

I decided I'm going to make an infographic on DIY cans (of quality, not out of duct tape and shit) and a separate one on building an AR15 in various tiers from "OK" to "BCM would struggle to do better for 3 grand".

Does anyone know of a program for making infographics? I've mostly used MS paint till now but fuck that it's clunky at best.

>>515225

print out the pictures and text, get a big piece of paper, glue it on, take a picture.

>>515225

For programs I'm currently using Inkscape for text, then exporting it to paint.net to add images.

>>515260

IF you can find a walther PPX for sale, it's better and cheaper. They had an extremely quality trigger, decent mag cap, and a very comfy set of ergos, they just looked like a glock made gay buttsex babies with a Hi-point.

Also, the CCP is sort of garbage. Lots of quality control issues and a few serious errors that can make the pistol not safe.

If you're willing to feel slimy, the S&W glock clone (The SDVE or whatever they call it now) is inside the price range, but I dunno about it's quality.

There are also some pretty cheapass Bersa handguns out there that don't suck.

>>515260

>>515333

Oh, right, and Canik makes some decent CZ clones aside from their striker fired option. All inside the right price range I think

>>509113

>this thread

so much help needs to be done still.

>>515333

I didn't include the PPX because it was a full size firearm. Same with SD9.

The "safety" issue with the CCP was that if you short stroked the cycling it might not be drop safe. It has been fixed.

>>515366

It had some very serious QC issues. some of them died out of the box after single digit round counts on square ranges. If you're gonna leave it on, please emphasize the importance of testing a carry gun with your carry ammo…..

>>515391

I added a bold "Test fire your gun with your ammo before duty use!" under ammo and a note that "some are lemons so test yours" in the CCP description. Has there been any reports of recent production guns failing?

>>509139

9x18 is cheap and fairly plentiful. Most proper gun stores carry it, and you can order it online. Hornady makes hollow point 9x18, and Red Army Standard is churning out a shitload of new production steel-case. Buying online is dirt cheap. The Makarov can also be bought in a lot of anti-fun states, I've got a friend in MA looking at buying one.

>>512356

Bulgarian, East German, and Russian are all good. There's also the Baikal IJ-70, which is what I own - it's newer manufacture, mostly marketed to the US. I got mine for $320 in unfired condition.

A few notes:

>The IJ-70 has adjustable sights that tend to snag on holsters. These can be replaced without too much effort, you're looking at ~$30 + shipping

>Heel release is horrible. There's an aftermarket grip, FAB Defense PM-G, that takes a bit of effort to fit but has a mag release on the side that hooks into the heel release. It's well-reviewed and may be worth the money if you're clumsy. It also has a huge beavertail that prevents slide bite if you have fuckheug hands.

>It's heavy as fuck for its size

>>514923

http://www.jgsales.com/bulgarian-makarov-semi-auto-pistol,-9x18,-black-grips,-g-vg,-used.-p-99046.html

$250 bulgies. Get them while they're hot.

>>515339

Are you going to provide that help, or make passive aggressive shitposts about it?

I'm part of the 40% of my county with power (or they got it back on before I woke up. There were some brownouts that killed the clocks before I went to sleep). I can continue updating this. Only need holster makers and another CC option.

>>515886

hickok45 is still misspelled. Glad to hear you're alive for now.

>>515892

Realized a bit of the PSA freedom rifle got cut off. Fixed but will wait for more feedback before changing anything else.

>>516243

You're doing the good work, Strelok and I hope the worst is over for you. I'm skeptical why you suggested Forgotten Weapons but not Brent0331 but I'm happy that you didn't suggest Faegger.

>>516245

Brent0331 is good, but he rarely reviews gun stuff or teaches much about guns themselves. Forgotten Weapons is one of the few extensive resources that examines how guns work mechanically beyond just maintaining them.

>>516272

GJ

as a joke you should put in fine print - move to Austria

>>515084

Depending on how the communist at the EU government has decided to fuck european peoples over even further this year, apparently shooting airguns count as shooting guns when applying for Cat B funs on the reasons of reservist training.

It's fucking stupid but intelligent thought is more or less forbidden under communist rule.

>>516948

>>516949

And a fucking double post, fucking omnichan

>>516272

The German flag looks like a beetle.

>>516243

are we gonna get a high-res version of this?

>>517111

How high res do you want? That's the resolution I made it at, but the text is saved as a vector and I have high res images for all the items saved so I could make it at whatever you wanted.

>>520142

>magazines

>no mention of mec-gar

Those and Kimbers are the only ones that I can get my 1911 to play nice with.

All I really care about is the Shield being on the list. I love that gun. I need to go get an M&P9 Compact and Full size now though.

>>520183

Where is that? At the bottom by Magazines I see

>Next to ammo, the magazine is the most common failure point for any firearm, so get good ones.

>For metal: Brownells, D&H, and OKAY Surefeed

>For polymer: Magpul, Lancer and Daniel Defense

>>520193

Under the pistol section. Mec-Gar doesn't make magazines for rifles as far as I know.

>>520142

Looking at the hearing protection part, I've been wondering what earplugs Hickok45 uses, if they are actually good enough, and how much they cost. They seem like a good option for putting in some protection at a moments notice. Fumbling around with foam shit takes forever and big cans aren't very portable/concealable.

>>520245

An internet search will quickly tell you Howard Leight QB2HYG-1. Amazon reviews give some pretty serious flaws even in the positive reviews (the band will transmit the rubbing sound of everything it rubs against right into your ear, don't seal for a lot of people).

>>520250

Hmm alright thanks.

>>520250

>>520251

Their site shows you are supposed to have the strap below your chin, which means Hickok is wearing them wrong, hah.

>>520142

Since this mentions the CPX-2, I'm wondering what changes they made for the CPX-3 (which isn't that much more expensive), and if there is anything that can be legally modified to improve (reduce) the massive trigger pull.

>>520280

CPX-3 is a 380 version. No idea on the trigger though.

>>520460

Used/police trade in CZ75?

>>520460

>>520465

>Used/police trade in CZ75

Failing that, get a EAA/Tanfoglio Witness, I think they make a steel frame one but I own the polymer and it's a nail driver.

>>520460

Shit and wesson full sized guns are usually around $300 and tend to cause glock fanboys ass pain in terms of cost. One choice is the M&P line which is the new hot shit these days that or springfield XD. but fuck springfield it has a polymer frame with a rail for lights and a few bucks more gets you night sights. It's mags tend to go on sale in the high $20s range every now and then.

Another is the SD9VE. VE standing for Value Enhanced is of course the "VALUE" model which is weird because an M&P can be had for around the same price region. Compared to the M&P its just blockier and two tone as opposed to being just black or desert colored. Mags are in the same situation for the M&P, normally high $30s and goes on sale in the $20s. Both guns however have the same issue that you don't like which is the trigger safety **everyone wants to be

a glock killer. So that means making a gun that isn't overpriced and feels good in the hand but people will still buy glocks due to super cheap mags that will be in stock every where even at the end of time**

You can do as >>520465 says and look for a police trade in CZ Just know that CZs get snatched up quick so be ready to buy suddenly when you just so happen to be browsing gun websites. If not a CZ then just try police trade in's in general you can find everything from lightly used Glocks to barely touched SIGs and almost new Berettas.

>>520460

It has a magazine disconnect safety and removing it voids your warranty, it has an external safety on the slide, a minority of them seem to have squishy triggers but the vast majority are crisp and magazines are pricey at $54~ for 2. By no means is it junk but it's nice to know what you're getting in to.

>>516248

Fair, I could also reason that Brent has spent tons of money on gear and rifles and that's not applicable to a poorfriend thread.

Considering making a guide for 22s as a followup. Any suggestions for rifle or handgun?

Handgun:

Heritage Roughrider

>You can get it for 100 bucks before transfer. Uses a loading gate and ejector rod so takes forever to reload. Revolver manual of arms is pretty different to semi-auto. Illegal to sell in South Carolina, Illinois, Minnesota, Hawaii and New York City due to remnants of laws designed to keep recently freed blacks from owning guns.

>22 conversion (Glock or CZ variant)

Allows you to keep the same trigger and reload technique as your main gun (If it's a Glock or CZ), and can be mailed to your door. Only exist for Glocks and CZ made guns ("Kadet") and the best Glock ones (Advantage Arms) have become unobtainum.

(I've never heard of any others in common production. Are there any?).

(section)

>22 versions of bigger guns

These are essentially the manufacture's full size and/or compact pistol but in 22LR. These are all roughly the same quality so if get a gun that's the nearest to your main handgun if you have have one.

(Is there any other substantial difference worth mentioning?)

>S&W M&P22

In both compact and full size frames (though no Shield frame). Made in USA. Includes 2 magazines.

>Walther P22

Weird mag release. Standard model has threaded barrel included. Made in Germany. Includes 1 magazine.

>Ruger SR22

Made in USA. Includes 2 magazines.

>>520460

It'd probably help if you gave us an upper cost limit.

If you're willing to go for ~600 get an M&P9.

>>521067

Can't find a listing anywhere. Doesn't look like it got imported here.

>>521116

Its called something else here, I don't think I have seen one listed in about 3 years though

>>521116

cz999, century stopped importing for some reason. few on gunwatcher for around 350

>>521116

>1950 E. Greyhound pass

why do they operate out of a sports clips

>>521255

damn i am retarded.

>>523884

What did you change and add a version number.

Any suggestions for what I can do with the blank space by the sample setups (either moving those up or down)?

>>524064

>gunsforpoorpeoplenorebate

I removed the no longer active rebate info from the Shield.

>>523884

this has come together really well

>>523884

A bit more finessing and you could trademark it as a poster and sell it to firearms shops.

Movies have IMDB to rate them, why can't there be a STRELOK organization to rate guns?

Jpgs are encouraged by the CIA to destroy evidence and by the jews to shave pennies off hosting costs.

Don't be a CIAJEW.

Use png.

>>524692

I actually found that saving it as a jpg resulted in a higher file size than saving it as a png, so I I had no reason not to go PNG.

>>524331

See

>>517302

>>524331

>4k

you're a jew

Whats a good place to buy guns near Peoria? Bass pro is really expensive for some reason

>>526800

Peoria where?

Find someone local that does transfers.

Why is no one talking about shotgun adapters??

They are relatively inexpensive and can turn any single or double barrel boomstick into über scavenger, perfect for SHTF.

>>526894

Getting brass cased stuff out of the adapter can be a real bitch.

>>526914

He mentions at 2:05 that they have grooves for easy brass removal. For anything harder to extract you could use a rod

>>526917

I noted that, I just don't like having to dig casing out with the bottle opening on a multitool/swiss army knife.

>>526955

Slight inconvenience when compared to versatility that they provide. In long to no time limit prepping those adapters are the bees knees of any poorfags bug out location or when packed into a BOB/INCH bag.

>>526894

but strelok wouldnt they end up hot as shit ? seems like a bit of a gimmick

>>527019

>What are gloves

Once again, this is a SHTF accessory. Primitive but pretty much bombproof and in survival situation even one shot at close range can be a difference between life and death

>>527021

>gloves that are both heat resistant and slim enough to remove the meemadaptor©

>>527044

They have rims at the end so you can use any thin metal object to pull it out