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There's no discharge in the war!

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bd1f28 No.503738

Hey /k/, so I am planning on writing a novel (I'll genuinely try to get it published, I know its difficult) that's part historical fiction adventure, and part history book. My main character, Josiah, is a New England colonial ranger in 1735 going after an Indian band that has a few English captives (with tracking tactics based off the Rhodesian selous scouts). But before I start writing, I've got a dilemma:

I don't know which weapon to give him, a Brown Bess or a Long rifle. Since I've never been privileged enough to fire a black powder weapon, I'm hoping to get some advice.

The musket is quicker to reload, which is very important for frontier combat when you got a bunch of Injuns shooting at you. Paper cartridges make things so much simpler. It's also more historically accurate, rifles weren't really a thing in 1735 New England.

However, the long rifle is more accurate and I believe more lethal. The drawback is that you have to wrap your ball in paper, measure the exact amount of powder to put in the pan and barrel, and this really slows the action down. Looking up videos, I found that it takes almost a minute to reload the thing rather than 20 seconds like with the musket. Since its action-adventure, there needs to be more shooting and less reloading.

Which weapon do you think would be better for the story? Accuracy and lethality with the rifle or speed and the skill of the shooter with the musket? Also, are there any videos of a guy quickly reloading a long rifle? Or any of someone shooting a tricky target with a musket? Thanks in advance.

Also, general black powder thread. Post pics, webms, questions or skinwalker stories involving muskets.

8ffe6f No.503767

Whatever you choose, try and get your hands on a replica if you can, you don't want to fuck it up. What sort of personality does the protagonist have?


352c1d No.503768

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

The Brown Bess didn't have rifling and was .75cal while the various long rifles that floated around were rifled, .50cal on average and accurate to boot. This video shows generally how you patched a bullet back in the day.


8758ad No.503781

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>>503738

>Also, are there any videos of a guy quickly reloading a long rifle?


10525f No.503788

File: 6659d2849b6abf3⋯.png (59.24 KB, 750x171, 250:57, Baker Rifle 24 inch Swor….png)

>>503738

>The musket is quicker to reload, which is very important for frontier combat when you got a bunch of Injuns shooting at you.

If rate of fire is something you want to give your protagonist (at least a rate of fire above ~4 rounds a minute) with that periods firearms your only real choice would be to give him about 10 or so pistols to fire in sequence. I guess that probably wouldn't fit the feel you're aiming for there, and It'll be a bitch for him when he's fired his tenth shot. How would you feel about putting a bit more emphasis on bayonet work/melee in this story?

I'm thinking that a unit like the rangers would be unlikely to fight in neat ranks with timed volleys (that was kind of the point for these units after all) but would be more likely to at least try to ambush their opponents, striking Indian camps at dawn, hitting their war parties in mid-transit as the Rangers fire one shot from hiding before closing to melee in order to mop up the survivors. A pistol and tomahawk as backup weapons would make perfect sense for a character who's serving with the Rangers at this period, or you could handwave in one of the later sword bayonets that riflemen used from about 1800ish. I personally think they're rather cool, but it's your story, pic related for an idea of what I'm suggesting, and no, 24 inches was not a typo.

On a less related note how combat heavy are you thinking of making this story?


bd1f28 No.503830

>>503767

I dry fired a replica in some antique store recently. I tried to see how fast I could do the motions of reloading. Truly a masterpiece of a weapon.

As for my character: he is twenty-nine and highly experienced in tracking, marksmanship (even with muskets), and hand to hand combat. He's straightforward when he talks and lacks eloquence, although he's very smart. He doesn't want to hunt down the Indian band that took captives at first and requests the governor open a parlay with the Governor-General of New France to return them, so he is rational much of the time. He relents when he is told that the woman he loves, who he hasn't seen in a few years after she settled in New Hampshire and her children were taken. He met this woman, Esther, when he was sixteen and her fifteen. They became friends, but she sort of friendzoned him because he was pretty awkward when talking to her. When he was away with the militia hunting Father Râle, she married Robert Bartlett, an older and more eloquent guy even though she was very young. Josiah returned a hero and wanted to kill Robert (his friend) when he found out, so he is no stranger to jealousy. He still sort of holds a grudge years later, although he still cares about Robert, especially after he gets a tomahawk to the skull. Speaking of jealousy, he sort of envies the fame Chaplain Jonothan Frye won at the Battle of Pequawket. He and Frye are both from Andover, Massachusetts. Josiah killed an Indian chief and won fame. But Frye won more by fighting at a Battle and not a massacre, and by dying so he became mythologized. He fought bandits, traded with natives, hunted, occasionally fought with prowling Indians in peacetime and continued to make a name for himself along the New England frontier. He is also polite, even to a few of the Indians, because he knows them from trading. He is an improviser and quick thinker skilled in the ways of the forest.

>>503781

I've seen that video. Although that's a musket, not a rifle. I've never seen a quick rifle reload. >>503788

Josiah's equipment I'm thinking of being a primary weapon, one flintlock pistol, and a tomahawk/knife combo. Brace of pistols sounds cool. I like your suggestions. As for bayonets, that wasn't really a thing Rangers had. There is one character Josiah meets that joins his group, a settler who served with Marlborough in the war of the Spanish Succession who still has his bayonet and doglock musket. So he has one. There is a lot of melee in the story, the fights with the major Indian war leaders are melee fights. Occasionally there were volleys fired, but usually Rangers took cover and fired, as did Indians. As for combat heavy, it's like this:

•Indian raids (not totally combat)

•The fight with the first Indian band which, as you've said, is an ambush on camped Indians.

•The fight with the second Indian band, where Josiah and his group are unsuccessfully ambushed by Indians.

•The second fight with the second Indian band, where the group ambushes the Indians. Features a big melee "boss battle" if you want to call it that.

•The final fight, leading to the battle between Josiah Hartshorne and the main antagonist. Melee heavy.

•Also a flashback at some point to the Battle of Norridgewock. >>503768

That's pretty neat. I was thinking since rifles weren't too common amongst people in New England back in 1735, that the MC would use a precursor to the Jäger rifle that he got at the Battle of Norridgewock from a dead Indian, who got it from a French trader who got it from a German. The reloading of that weapon looks a lot quicker than the Long rifle reload.


352c1d No.503832

>>503830

The only real difference in how he reloads and how a guy in the 1700's would have reloaded is he has his professional ram rod set aside instead of using the one on the gun itself.


f07f0f No.503844

Were paper cartridges in use in Europe and the Americas then? I know Oda Nobunaga's forces used them centuries beforehand, but don't recall European use till much latter (but I've barely touched the history of European muzzleloaders).


bd1f28 No.503856

>>503844

They were in use. It makes it easier for the progression of the story's action too, it makes for a quicker reload.


10525f No.503857

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>>503830

I see the point you're making about historical accuracy there, fair enough. I'm also having trouble finding vids of firing and loading a 1730's rifle, from what I can recall though it's not really something you can speed up. I'm pretty sure it either involved a very tight-fitting projectile or wrapping the projectile in what would probably be best described as a cloth sabot, and then literally hammering the ram-rod home. Like I said, not really something you could do at pace.

The info I could find (admittedly from Rogers Rangers reenactment groups rather than original sources, reenactors tend to be fairly historically autistic in the UK at least, so it should be trustworthy) state that the rangers would be issued with a Land Pattern Musket/Brown Bess, but goes on to note that a few rangers used personal hunting weapons in some of the accounts given.

From what you've said ITT I'd suggest

>Land Pattern Musket, arguably more accurate than they're portrayed - contemporary sources list their max effective range as 175yrds.

>Flintlock pistol (surprisingly hard to find pics of an early 1700's century design, most I've found are 1810-20), either single or brace.

>Tomahawk (pic comes from a company claiming to have based their design on original documents held at Ft Benning, if they're not bullshitting it should be a decent example)

>Knife, presumably more 'survival' type, although I suppose there might be *some* leeway for a thinner dagger type blade, possibly both although he might be getting a bit too over-equipped for historical accuracy at that point.


693470 No.503902

File: 0d41949df44650e⋯.png (243.65 KB, 512x461, 512:461, Milky_Way_Arms_ssc2008-10.….png)

/k/ writefag general? I've got the basic setting down, but I can't really put forward linear story with it.I'll give a quick rundown.

>Humanity has achieve FTL travel

>Humans have been expanding their territory and coming into contact with a myriad of alien species

>A few minor conflicts break out, nothing too destructive.

>Some aliens start to live among humans and vice versa.

>Humans join EU like pseudo-commmunist political and economic union with other species

>Shit turns into Wiemar 2 space bogaloo.

>Alien brothels, public inter-species sex, widespread drug use, diversity quotas. Academia is also being subverted by space commies.

>Imagine walking outside and seeing a large amoeba like slug creature getting gang-banged by a diverse group of 15 male creatures, basically a bunch of different species haphazardly jamming their cocks into an amorphous ball of living fluid.

>That shit is part and parcel with living in this diverse society

>Some humans are fed up with this shit and rebel

>Massive interstellar race war happens

>The war is mostly just an assortment of separate, but simultaneous asymmetric racewars confined to individual planets, moons and solar systems.

>Mass Interstellar force projection is rare until the human armed forces are organized under Generalissimo Ravenstahl, a strategic and logistical genius.

>Ravenstahl launches a massive, multi-pronged combined arms assault from the Orion arm into the persus and Sagittarius arms of the Milky Way.

>The unprecedented assault results in trillions of alien casualties and hundreds of sapient species going extinct.


e5eb6b No.503905

>>503844

we had them since hussars

then again its not hard to have super modern infantry when you have barely any of them and use them how other nations used cannons


0d0f6a No.504008

>>503857

Josiah has more in common with Lovewell's Rangers than a uniformed ranger like Robert Rogers, although I am using Rogers's rules of ranging in the story. I've always intended him to have a tomahawk, and so I guess I'll use the one you suggested. Thanks.

I guess musket sounds about right. Rifle is just too slow, I think. Muskets can still do a lot of damage, so as long as he hits his target they'll probably die.


10525f No.504021

>>504008

Glad I could help.

>Muskets can still do a lot of damage, so as long as he hits his target they'll probably die.

Even with the lower velocity (by modern standards) a .75 cal ball is going to fuck someone up when it hits them. You probably wouldn't see an exit wound either, so even if the guy getting shot doesn't drop immediately from shock his chances of long term survival are pretty low when you take the limited medical care of the period and region into account.

Also I think that the inaccuracy of the musket is a little overhyped. Most of the information we have comes from regular soldiers of the day whose training focused a lot more on discipline and drill than marksmanship or range time, granted Josiah is not going to be making sub-moa shots at half a mile, but within about 100 yards he should be able to reliably hit man size targets he can clearly see.


bd1f28 No.504330

From what I've heard, muskets and shotguns are both smoothbore, so the damage (aside from the spread of the shotgun) is pretty similar. Is this true?

I doubt anyone here has killed someone with a musket. But just wondering.


a769ce No.504420

>>504330

>From what I've heard, muskets and shotguns are both smoothbore, so the damage (aside from the spread of the shotgun) is pretty similar. Is this true?

Is the shotgun also black powder?


74484c No.504439

>>504420

Just a standard 12 gauge


352c1d No.504450

>>504330

BP shotguns are dependent on barrel length for velocity. Buck and ball used to be a musket thing for improved hit probability. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_and_ball


308ef3 No.504457

>>504330

I've seen the expansion of a minie ball in 50 cal. It opened up to one a quarter inches with destroyed meat about three inches wide, smashed the shoulder blade, and was embedded in the hide on the other side of the lungs of a 1500lb animal. From a smoothbore at 150yds.


d44260 No.504464

File: 5f427d50622c3e4⋯.jpg (142.71 KB, 900x626, 450:313, skeletonsonthemoon.jpg)

>>503902

I can't give any tips, but I had another semi-similar idea

>humans can nao ftl

>explore and colonize for a while, all is good

<Knock knock, it's the rest of the galaxy, they have like, really cool xenos, and crazy telekinesis

>one of the telekinetic species wages war on humanity for taking over a planet that they called dibs on

>war breaks out

>Humans start losing. Bad.

>eventually, it's discovered that music being listened to and played by humans has a serious impact on xenos

I don't really know where to go from there though


10525f No.504465

>>504464

What sort of impact are you thinking of? Does it depend on the genre of music played or the effect it has on the human listening?


d44260 No.504468

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>>504465

That's the kind of stuff I'm trying to figure out. The idea is that the telekinetic species developed telekinesis to detect predators and control prey. So, if the xeno found a scared creature (like say, an underequipped space soldier in the middle of the void of space fighting an unknown, inhuman, unearthly threat), it'd instinctively attempt to get the soldier to break down. Meanwhile, a creature who is considering to eat or kill the xeno would cause the xeno to get scared. My idea is that the xenos can only make emotions already in the subject's mind stronger, and the stronger that emotion is, the easier it is to manipulate. So, by playing music, not only do the soldiers get harder to manipulate, the xenos see the humans as a tougher threat, making them more prone to fleeing, and hasty decisions.


547c5c No.504471

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>>504468

>humanity wins because they start producing the most incredibly cheesy power metal songs about those ayys


10525f No.504510

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>>504468

>developed telekinesis to detect predators and control prey

Wouldn't that be telepathy (reading and influencing minds) rather than telekinesis (I can throw shit with my brain)? Either way it sounds like you've got a good plan there - music gets humanity fired up, negating ayyy attempts to amplify and control their fear, and the newly headbanging human squaddies freak the little grey bastards out.

>>504471

How did you find the one metal band that makes Manowar look straight? That's actually quite an impressive achievement.

>I'm now picturing future warfare between humans and aliens, where humanity wins by getting every infantryman to engage in JJBA cosplay in order to freak out the alien mind-readers.

>Humanity poses its way to victory

>not sure if good end.


547c5c No.504514

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>>504510

Actually, JoJo is just one possibility, in general any manly pre-Japanese-economic-crash anime would work, like Sakigake Otokojuku. That show really makes me want to be a Japanese deliquent student surrounded by my tough-but-slightly-retarded comrades.

>cadets' training involves watching 4 hours of 80s anime every day

>How did you find the one metal band that makes Manowar look straight?

I was listening to martial industrial music on Jewtube, and it kept suggesting that vid, so I gave it a watch. They are actually a "joke" band, so they deliberately go over the top in the most horrible way. But their music is actually great if you just want some silly metal that helps you go through your day. By the way, watching that vid made me realize that Dark Eldars must have great metal bands.


d44260 No.504521

File: 8f3aae0a567472c⋯.png (255.86 KB, 342x316, 171:158, sad cat being licked.png)

>>504510

Shit, you're right, I got those two messed up.


10525f No.504571

>>504514

>cadets' training involves watching 4 hours of 80s anime every day

What a beautiful and glorious future.

>Dark Eldars must have great metal bands

I can see why you'd say that, but considering that they're the last decadent survivors of a once great civilisation I think they'd be much more into j-rock.


bcb22b No.504577

File: 0bea31d71413182⋯.jpg (111.69 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, freyja leaf.jpg)

File: 78d415b8a5f1227⋯.jpg (516.12 KB, 1128x635, 1128:635, apawlogies.jpg)

File: fd0b48eddef1ae0⋯.jpg (45.42 KB, 640x480, 4:3, HOLY LONELY LIGHT.jpg)

File: b81d86d10424c78⋯.jpg (100.1 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, You can't fight a war if y….jpg)

File: 7e06cc803bbb9e1⋯.jpg (219.76 KB, 1440x1080, 4:3, MACROSS 7 Encore ep 03 - F….jpg)

>>504464

Macross?


fdae81 No.504579

>>503902

Sounds just like the history before a genocide, not too interesting.

Unless you focus your entire story on the building to that event, like the recruitment of the fringe organizations and breakdown of the alien society.


693470 No.504884

>>504579

That would probably be another book. I would like to focus on the war itself. I'm not sure if I should focus on the whole war, one theater, or a smaller region like one planet or solar system.

"The term concept of a civilian is pure sophistry used to justify half measures. You see farmers, I see the ones who feed enemy combatants, you see factory workers I see those who arm the enemy. Every single "civilian" worker contributes to the war effort with their labor. They are just as intimate involved in this war as the grunts in the shit. They should be dealt with in the same way as enemy combatants because they are combatants."


10525f No.504892

>>504884

>The term concept of a civilian is pure sophistry…

Interesting piece, is that from your book or a different source?


2ea979 No.504894

>>504579

>implying the holocaust did real

Real genocide is not committed by people trying to reestablish justice, morality and natural order.

It occurs in the expense of people who try to liberate their ancestral clay from the grasp of a barbaric conqueror when outgunned, outnumbered and abandoned.


693470 No.504897

>>504892

It's a quote from the Generalissimo Not sure if I should change his name . Also I made a typo.

>The concept of a civilian is pure sophistry.


d44a64 No.504899

>Hey /k/, so I am planning on writing a novel (I'll genuinely try to get it published, I know its difficult)

Me too.

>that's part historical fiction adventure, and part history book.

And here the similarities end.

Science fiction is my jam.


573e87 No.504938

EZ, make him a time traveler and give him desert eagle.


d515fd No.505327

File: 103042a35f1864f⋯.png (250.66 KB, 309x482, 309:482, tmp_15220-UcgTjM9292918951.png)

What fictitious scenarios would bring back revolvers as military standard issue for a first world military in the near future?


d515fd No.505328

>>505327

>military standard issue

>for a first world military

I even realised my mistake but failed to change it, Christ.


37774d No.505333

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>>505327

If you want a futuristic revolver, just imagine a better designed Dardick revolver. Fuck, I'm glad he didn't call it a fucking trevolver. The main virtue of revolvers is that the action always cycles (if it's not completely broken), even if the cartridge fails. That's true about the Dardick revolver too. And for a backup weapon you want extreme reliability and ruggedness. Now, their main drawback is the limited ammo, and this kind of solves that problem. Of course if you really wanted this concept to work, then you'd redesign it for "normal" magazines. And give it a barrel shroud with maybe some rails or M-LOK, holy shit, this poor gun looks fucking retarded. Trounds look retarded, but they are extremely early polymer-cased cartridges, and that's quite something. Today we could make them a lot better.


693470 No.505470

File: f6ab83d21ff38b6⋯.jpg (7.93 KB, 300x180, 5:3, Habitable moon.jpg)

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>>503902

Another concept in the same universe.

>Lone colony ship experiences FTL anomaly while traveling

>Gets stranded in distant solar system with a broken FTL drive

>Too far to communicate with any other humans

>System has a gas giant orbited by multiple habitable moons

>Human ship lands on on one with no significant intelligent species

>Have to fight aliens from other moons who are also fighting each other

>Aliens' space flight is only a few decades ahead of current year Earth

>They basically use large conventional rockets to hop from moon to moon and fuck with each other

>Humans are engaged in guerilla warfare against several alien species


2ea6c3 No.505503

>>505327

Perhaps laser pistols that use a one time super capacitors in place of cartridges. The "hammer" could even be what completes the circuit. When it drops it discharges the cell into the laser emitter in a few milliseconds. Without recoil you couldn't use a semi-auto design.

To push the idea even further, mechanical laser guns like that might be necessary due to the prevelance of emp weapons, a semi-auto laser weapon fired off a single large capacitor would require computer control and thus could be disabled. So you could have an excuse for a retro-future mechanical laser revolver.


132374 No.505512

>>505327

Caseless ammo would help I guess, since you'd only need to load new moon clips or whatever each reload, with no case or magazine ejection required.


190356 No.505594

File: 88b896f15f74c91⋯.jpeg (53.32 KB, 540x960, 9:16, received_1356024047778177.jpeg)

I'm in the very early stages of writing a screenplay about a teenager that stops a school shooting because he happened to have his rifle in his car. I'm cursed in that all I can write is teenage mumblecore bullshit.


43ef48 No.508886

File: cc875fc7c9422db⋯.jpg (138.17 KB, 600x783, 200:261, Mordians.jpg)

File: 7cb62c814d6361a⋯.jpg (157.23 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, Death Korps march.jpg)

>>505503

>mechanical laser guns like that might be necessary due to the prevalence of EMP weapons

Interesting, removing the majority of electronics from the battlefield with EMP weapons would have a huge impact on every level of military tech and doctrine. You'd probably end up with battles either looking like something out of the Napoleonic wars (possibly WW1 with the presumed increase in killing power) or descending into disorganised scrambles as communication and control would not be possible beyond shouting distance. In addition to that every piece of tech that you absolutely needed to work reliably would be HUGE by modern standards as you'd need to shift it to mechanical operation, it'd end up looking like something from the less futuristic side of 40K - if you can keep the lunacy down to a manageable level you could get an interesting setting from that.


a44876 No.509034

>>505470

Would.


386fd6 No.509049

File: 356d5dba6303b49⋯.png (811.73 KB, 1596x1056, 133:88, asddsaads.png)

>>505503

revolver from 2142 works, hhave it chambered in some futuristic meme cartridge like a long magnum 9mm round


386fd6 No.511706

File: 0046dce1039df34⋯.pdf (1.09 MB, Grave Robber.pdf)

File: b1a75c0e05387e7⋯.jpg (117.64 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, 8dbd43a7ef64df59c554b26e26….jpg)

Wrote a /k/ related book, please review, theres some edgy fedora level philosophy so beware

Basically stalker but factions are fucking huge and shit

Being farther in the back we made it into the tower, the Outside bowed to ruble, Cent and Pretty storming into a room not far from the devastation, behind them a flamer unit+ recklessly moving Towards the same room, All I could do was scream As +hey torched up, I could hear Pretty scream in his effeminate voice As he burned. When +he fire had quickly settled the flamers reviewing their Action’s could only laugh.


dbdb4b No.514940

File: aab359c3a0e3787⋯.jpg (49.38 KB, 404x604, 101:151, 4b93c6dda10b7.jpg)

File: 7b94cc7a06b7f67⋯.jpg (211.62 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, Hut.jpg)

Bumping this thread with another idea since this thread doesn't have that many replies, and there's not much write faggotry going on.

I'm thinking of a story about an Indian brother and sister during a US SHTF scenario. They'd be wandering around virtually helpless and surviving by the skin of their teeth. They would constantly be ducking roving negro gangs and also have to avoid RWDS who mistake them for Arabs. Eventually they go innawoods to escape urban violence and stumble upon a white hunter/subsistence farmer living in a little house he built with his own two hands yes he is a /k/ insert . This dude inevitible fucks the shit out of the girl and the brother does nothing but seethe in impotent rage because he keeping them alive. The /k/ommando is also a bit passive aggressive with him since the brother isn't really doing shit. The only reason he won't clap him is because he's clapping his sister's cheeks. The reason why I chose he siblings to be Indian is because Indians are usually neutral in American politics. A lot of them are just here to be code monkeys, or run small businesses. I want them to be outsiders in the racial and political conflicts in post SHTF America


f72f22 No.515154

File: 58d56ba1e2543d7⋯.jpg (8.9 KB, 257x196, 257:196, download.jpg)

How is this line?

I continued on the beating, smashing her torso with my legs, until I was sure I had broken some ribs. Her dress now in disaray and her hair run amock all she could do was look up at me as blood pooled on the side of her mouth. “Are you going to kill me?” she said, “are you going to answer me?” I replied, looking at her and seeing her form the word no in her mouth I fired 3 rounds into her, “BANG BANG BANG!” two in the chest and one in the head. The blood and brain matter flying coating my pant legs. Screaming started off behind the blinds, and I could hear men off in the distance running in my direction.

In all the commotion I was able to slip into back into the main hall and mingle myself into the crowd charing the only escape. The bouncer was attempting to keep the tidal wave at bay to no avail, as he was quickly overcome being pushed to the ground and trampled under stiletto heels. Back on the street the Sun had turned to night, a cool mist enveloped the crisp black roads.


dbdb4b No.515156

>>515154

A bit too edgy. Also context?


f72f22 No.515159

>>515156

guys trying to track down an abusive father who kidnapped his daughter, noir setting, that jumps inbetween noir and innawoods skinwalker hunting, should have it done this weekened here have a cocktail from the book:

Legionarres Comfort

3 parts Barlo Wine

1 parts mixed berry juice remove smashed berries

2 parts mineral water

Stirred

Garnished with Peacock Feathers


ce2705 No.515201

>>514940

But why a designated shitter?…


94c709 No.515208

>>514940

>>515201

The /k/ommando should teach the pajeets marksman ship and use them as the secret weapon to end the nog horde by having them bombard the nogs from afar by bending over and shitting high velocity turds out of the apes shit throwing range.


dbdb4b No.515259

>>515201

Because they're a pretty neutral group.


dbdb4b No.515328

File: c7e5429fbddfe08⋯.jpg (174.32 KB, 640x360, 16:9, 4 gauge.jpg)

File: e0012c7cd7792ba⋯.jpg (35.98 KB, 660x371, 660:371, cased-telescoped-lightweig….jpg)

>>503902

>>505470

Some tech lore

>Standard rifle cartridge is 6.5mm cased telescopic round with RDX based propellant

>The rounds have an osmiridium penetrator in them, osmiridium is a extremely dense and hard.

>The colony ship in the moon scenario is protected by an array of GLGGs that launch scramjet shells. They can also provide support for soldiers engaging in deep penetration hundreds of miles away.

>Casaba howitzers are the primary weapons used in space battles.

>Chlorine Tri-fluoride is extensively used as an incendiary/chemical weapon. The shit basically causes anything it touches to combust because it is a fucktardedly powerful oxidizer. It is terrifying when used in mass in tadem with mechanized infantry.

>One of the more popular specialty small arms is a 4 gauge shotgun that fires .50 caliber osmiridium buckshot that is lethal beyond 300 yards

>These guns are useful for counter sniping, neutralizing machine gun nests, and taking out tough targets.

>Wielding a 4 gauge is a great honor. Even with the recoil buffers it still takes strength to use.

>It is also one of the most loathed weapons of humanity's enemies. Nothing quite as disheartening as seeing 3 of your buddies being dismembered from a shotgun on the other side of a steel door.


6b0ed3 No.515331

File: 2ed13eb9e0a6e7f⋯.jpg (890.64 KB, 1200x927, 400:309, macrocannon_with_descripti….jpg)

File: 60fea8f254b332f⋯.gif (1.08 MB, 285x214, 285:214, Shrapnel_shell.gif)

>>515328

Noice. Just one tip: bring down the standard cartridge to somewhere between 4-4.5mm, that is even more sci-fi. Especially if it's so long that they use smoothbore barrels and the projectiles have fins to stabilize them. And don't forget about rifle grenades filled with chlorine tri-fluoride.

>an array of GLGGs that launch scramjet shells

My knowledge of this matter is not top of the line, but scramjets rely on the oxygen of the air, so in space you might be better off with simple rockets. Also, back in the time I've been thinking about how those gigantic macrocannons in w40k would make sense based on various, often conflicting descriptions, and came up with this:

>building-sized chemical cannons firing rocket-powered Shrapnel shells

>the cannons can be CLGG, solid propellant, or anything you fancy maybe explosives can actually launch projectiles at a higher speed IRL

>the projectiles rely on kinetic energy, but they are obviously filled with solid rocket fuel and explosives (both could be RDX-based here)

>said shells are wrapped in some kevlar-like sci-fi material that can contain most of the energy and fragments if they explode for some reason (like enemy fire)

>the wrappings resemble gigantic cartridge cases, so for a casual observer the weapon looks like a truly gigantic conventional (auto)cannon spitting out ridicously big spent cases

What do you think? Of course you can scale them down to something more reasonable, and using slaves to haul them in place would be a bit out of place, but I think it's reasonably advanced, yet still resembled something extremely primitive.


6b0ed3 No.515332

File: d6ddc1628b7742f⋯.png (1.4 MB, 1055x800, 211:160, lance_turret_by_the_first_….png)

File: a246e2e69b959c2⋯.jpg (54.01 KB, 342x400, 171:200, Nuclear_shaped_charge.jpg)

>>515328

>>515331

And if w40k, those Casaba howitzers could act as a hard(er) sci-fi equivalent of lance weapons. I take they'd have fusion energy on the ships, so for a lance use fusion shaped charges that don't have a fission bomb in them. Instead they are loaded into a cannon-like device and a laser "ignites" them, thus starting the process of fusion. This way you've got a Casaba howitzer that doesn't need fission material.


f72f22 No.515348

File: 84cc03d0f05897e⋯.jpg (73.8 KB, 600x400, 3:2, 157819-HBA.jpg)

File: 824c83c6e54848b⋯.pdf (415.31 KB, Chronicles of a Strange Ci….pdf)

How are the gunfights described I feel like they're lacking same with final confrontation with the skinwalker any tips for improvement anything is appreciated


bd2577 No.515364

>>508886

>keeping the lunacy down

<not cranking it up to 11

>>515154

The girl's dialouge is kind of retarded, and "BANG BANG BANG" ruins the atmosphere. The first paragraph in general needs work.

The second paragraph is great, just correct the capitalization of sun.


f72f22 No.515377

>>515364

How should I treat gunshots if not for "BANG" also I rewrote the first part. Thanks for the help man.

Taking comfort in the fire and heat that blazed in the fireplace wood decomposing to flame, filling the home with a sense of peace and calm I invested no attention in the strange sounds knocking at my walls. I was trapped, my cabin engulfed in the midst of a blizzard, alone. The sounds now finding their way to my door I grabbed what I could my tranquility shattered. An over-under shotgun held tightly in my hands it was well aged, simple construction, the finish well gone, the wood clearly rotten, none of that mattered as long as it worked complimented by a simple oil lamp also finding the passing years to be unkind glass mudied. The door, on its own accord as if waiting for me to ready myself swung open a tall dark figure standing in front, never have I been met with such fear. Frozen in place, becoming a statue of marble unable to react to my newfound guest. The figure quickly tossing a large torch towards the antique drapes, causing fire. The sheer speed my cabin was engulfed was unmatched, still standing there in fear staring down that thing, it turned its back on me leaving, letting the flames set loose determine my fate.. The heat eventually forced me to retreat out into the harsh cold. Wearing nothing more than a thin cotton jacket complimented by jeans, shoeless and the temperature ever decreasing I was going to die of cold or the figure. Embers dancing in the air I found myself greeted by a small girl, just standing off in the snow, dressed in a simple cream summer gown adorned with lily’s, blowing with the wind. This oddity and the insanity of the preceding events I could only yell. “Who are you, where are you from?” questions to be expected seeming more like a formality, still I recieved no reply. Readying my rifle for the unknown, a strong gush of wind turning her into steam before my eyes like my breath, floating away. A simple timepiece in good repair, lay in the girls place, brown leather strap with a silver matte, a white background the hands ticking away. Nothing of noteworthy complexion distinguished this watch, unsure of how to interpret this omen I i took the watch into my pocket. Nothing made sense anymore, all I could do was pick myself up and carry on, marching back into the abyss My lamp guiding the way through the night, shadows of trees dancing, snowfall beginning to slow, the forest seemed so tranquil despite my previous encounters. That figure was a world away in those few moments until it decided to reappear as if a master of it’s own fate sovereign of God. I found it not more than 20 yards from me slowly walking away, casting no shadow, showing no details aside its grand height, stiff in movement it appeared half frozen. Finding an excess of courage I raised my rifle placing the beaded sight center of mass on the beast, “BANG!” I fired a round gunpowder and smoke filling the air, the pellets themselves dancing off a nearby tree, not even close to their target.. My attempts on the beast's life, nothing more than harassment. Turning around the figure met me with its eyes, bloodshot, retinas as large as a cornea itself, it's only discernible feature.. Unnatural in every way, the beast charged, as my heart raced I let off my second round, “BLAM!” I never saw if it impacted the beast was too quick, extending its blackened arm, tearing into my flesh, embedded underneath my ribcage all I could do was watch as my torso exploded. Allowing myself to be taken by the cold I died there for the first time in this nightmare.


99dd27 No.515396

>>515331

>4-4.5mm

They can't be using pea shooter.

>Scramjets rely on oxygen

The ship is grounded on the moon. They protect the ship from enemy bombardment and ground attacks. As for your cannons they seem noice. I don't know of any material that thin that could contain a blast like that. I don't think even graphene could do that.

>>515332

The Casaba howitzers would be ejected from the ship and drift a safe distance away before firing. They'd also be pure fusion bombs.


a29f16 No.515410

>>515377

You're over writing it. Also, break it into paragraphs. Here's how I would write itthe first half anyway

I thought little of the strange sounds, almost like a knocking on the walls, as I was snowed in alone, my cabin isolated in the midst of a blizzard, the wind strong enough to shake the walls. Taking comfort in the heat from the fire that blazed from the hearth, I gazed at the flickering light as wood turned to coal, coal turned to cinder, and cinder to ash, lost in thought.

Then something hit the door, hard enough to make it jump, deadbolt straining. I started in fear, my reverie broken. Instinctively, my eyes searched for a weapon. A threadbare rug, decrepit, faded drapes. Musty, filthy jars on mantel. Above them, an over-under shotgun. That was it! Of simple, robust construction, it was an old piece. the once blued barrels scuffed grey, the walnut stock cracked and mildewed; but none it mattered when I opened the action. Two shells of buckshot, recently made, sat in the barrels. As I strode to the door, I took a simple oil lamp, similarly aged.

The door finally burst open, to reveal a tall figure, shrouded by the dark and snow standing over the threshold. I was frozen in terror, unmoving as the ice that bound the walls; Unable to challenge the figure. A freakishly long arm reached in, and grasping a brand from the fire, hurled it towards the papery drapes, which caught with frightening speed. Flames licked the dry wood of my cabin. When I looked again, the figure, arm and all, was gone. The once comforting flames eventually forced me out into the cold. Wearing nothing more than a thin jacket and jeans, shoeless, I knew that I was going to die of either the cold or whatever the figure was.


f72f22 No.515419

>>515410

Thanks, I'll simplify it and fix the paragaohs


3ffd57 No.515978

>>515419

instead of using a sound effect either describe the sound " the Shotgun thundered as i fired, the pellets dancing off the trees"

or omit the sound entirely.

"Finding an excess of courage I raised my rifle placing the beaded sight center of mass on the beast, I fired a round gunpowder and smoke filling the air,"

sound effects just make people think about old comic books, it feels amateurish, and breaks immersion.

let your readers imagine the sound themselves or describe the sound once or twice for added immersion.


cbb3db No.516114

File: 9136e8bbdc1aa8f⋯.pdf (404.39 KB, Chronicles of a city.pdf)

>>515978

I think I finally have a winner, fixed the gun sounds added another few pages.

I tried most of the drink in the book and they seem pretty solid


be2968 No.517590

File: c1e77ce605714f9⋯.jpg (918.62 KB, 2560x1920, 4:3, background.jpg)

>>505470

>Goals for trapped humans

>Increase population to 1 billion

>exterminate, or cripple hostile xenos

>Build Dyson swarm around the star

>Build up solar system defenses

>Contact other humans

Background of the moon

The moon is around the same size of Earth and has a very warm climate. Biosphere is similar to Earth during the carboniferous era. THE only intelligent species is a race of Eurypterid like arthropods. They're bipedal and have 4 small arms used to use tools and 2 large forelimbs with strong claws used for close combat. They are not space faring, but have managed to copy the technology of the of the species that have invaded their moon over the centuries. They're standard infantry weapon is a chemical laser rifle. Their manipulator arms are too weak to handle the recoil of firearms. Their claws can easily tear a man apart. The pinch force averages 5700 psi compared to the 3000 psi bite force of a crocodile. Adults range from 5 to 7 feet tall.

An idea for a species that live son one of the other moons

Intelligent amphibious mollusks who have achieved FALC (Fully Automated Luxury Communism) and wish to expand onto other worlds. They live decadent, hedonistic lives. Every pleasure imaginable can be enjoyed at whim. Sex and drugs mostly. A common pastime is for the mollusks to swim in a giant, beautifully decorated aquarium were the water is infused with aphrodisiacs and stimulants. They heavily rely on robots for combat. They're robots are intelligent, but possess no free will. Typical combat robots are armed with ceaseless machine guns that are attached to coolant pumps. Robots can also have grenade launchers, missiles, and flamethrowers.


a08a1c No.517595

>>515410

Wow, you're writing's great, I want more of what you're cooking! Great edit.

I never read fiction or leisure read but now all of a sudden it's peaked my interest.


86ec9a No.517621

>>515328

>osmiridium

This is too fluffy for my tastes.


be2968 No.517622

>>517621

It's a real metal. What do you mean by fluffy?


e9af13 No.517624

>>503902

>aliens

zzzzzzzzzzz


86ec9a No.517627

>>517622

Osmium is rare. Iridium is FUCKrare, only found in any concentration on asteroids.

It would make more sense to have diamond bullets, since we could make industrial diamonds for 40 years. Its old technology…

You might also consider geology of such moons. Imagine the gas giant before it formed. It was just a loose maelstorm. Then all the heavier materials sank into the gravity well. And the gas giant formed. THEN all the moons formed,mostly of light materials like gasses and volatiles, hydrogen and oxygen. A gas giant moon is likely to have mostly just water on it, unless its a captured planetoid that formed elsewhere.

tl;dr mostly no nuclear power or anything with heavier metals

Note - your aliens might make more sense if their technology was based more on plastics, composites, and carbon fibres than steel or uranium. The guns would need to be gyrojet, because the barrels cant be steel. The only way you could introduce metals into the plot, aside from aliens using rare as hell metals in research/labs/circuitry, is if they fought over a nearby asteroid belt made of a destroyed planet (like the one between mars and jupiter here).


86ec9a No.517628

>>517627

note 2 - silicates (rocks) can be very light, so they would exist on such moons. but even they wouldnt be as common as on earth


be2968 No.517631

>>517627

Diamonds are brittle a shit, that would be like using glass. They also aren't dense enough.

>Rocky satellites aren't dense

Ganymede has an iron core. The way you described moon formation was grossly over simplified. Not all of the dense materiel would go into the core of the gas giant. Especially if the circumplanetary disk is far away. If a moon has a metallic core there would be an even greater abundance of metals than on earth due to tidal heating like on Io.


be2968 No.517633

>>517631

Also a lot of the osmirdium bullets would be from stockpiles brought with them on the ship. Most of the bullets they'd use against regular targets would be lead.Plus they are still able to send some small ships out to mine asteroids.


a29f16 No.517640

File: 4076d5701d2daf1⋯.png (3.99 KB, 228x98, 114:49, index.png)

>>517595

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but thanks I base my writing style off of mid to late 19th century pieces. ((modern writers)) never describe the setting enough.

captcha: art i go


5bfa9b No.517856

File: 6646359d5888948⋯.jpg (284.64 KB, 900x1350, 2:3, frontiersmen.jpg)

>>503738

You could check out the "Winning of America" series by Allan Eckert. Excellent books with pages upon pages of references and sources in the back of the books. It also mentions a few of the tracking techniques from the time period, such as walking through water/crossing rivers to hide tracks etc…

Your character reminds of Simon Kenton, he's the focus of the first book "The Frontiersmen"


4662c8 No.517872

>>515364

<Cranking the lunacy up to 11

>What is Warhammer 40k?


b34f17 No.519484

File: 9a454672def5840⋯.jpg (133.65 KB, 1024x702, 512:351, Devonian woodlands.jpg)

>>517627

>need to be gyrojet

That could work with creatures whose limbs are too weak to use normal firearms. Or just massive poorly trained commie meat shields.




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