/k/ - Weapons

>>495871

>I can't shave shit despite getting a knife so sharp the edge folds just by sitting overnight.

wut

>>495872

If you get a knife to an intense microscopic point it won't hold it's own weight and collapse, with no use, by simple sitting. I can do that but can't shave hairs.

>>495871

>no 440c

There's your problem jk I dunno shit about all that

A $17 dremel with the stock set of sandpaper grit wheels and cotton buffer wheels that came in the box, about twenty pieces each. With a plastic guide set that cost me another $10.

Generally the softer the steel, the easier it is to get to shaving capability. Even (nearly) raw iron blade would be easy to shape with a dollar store stone and strop into being able to shave clean.

Harder steels are ridiculously hard to do this with, unless you have more expensive stuff than a dremel or dollar store stone, or a lot more time.

>>495874

Thats a failed edge, it likely collapses and curls the moment you try cutting with it.

>>495881

D2 is similar enough in properties. I think hes just creating too acute an angle though. I shoot for 30 degrees or so, 15 degrees on each side, because its easier with the dremel.

>>495885

Can you shave with it? I can never get "hair poping" shit like they show on youtube. But maybe you don't even go on youtube unless you have some expensive shit to show off.

If you want something to shave then get a safety razor. Blade will come hair cutting sharp and when it becomes dull you can replace it with a new one.

>>495911

I want it so when I go to stab or cut someone it'll cut through them and their clothes like a laser beam from a sci fi movie.

>>495909

I dont use any social media.

Yeah you can shave with it, its not as clean a cut (more stubble) as in op because he probably hand stropped it to more of a curve.

>>495915

Thats more a function of the speed of your hand, the weight and length of a knife.

>>495871

To get those steels to shave hair well, you have to make sure you're spending enough time on a coarse stone, because once you switch to finer stones, you're in for a dogfight because they're so fucking hard. D2 isn't that bad, but the others are a pain in the ass.

Get a super coarse stone like an India stone from Norton. Don't bother with the "coarse" side, use the "fine" side, which isn't really fine at all, that's just what Norton calls it. Make sure it is always well oiled with some mineral oil, that keeps the stone from getting clogged with steel. Don't jump form that stone until you can get the steel to shave hair with that stone. How quick that will be depends on how fucked up your edge is. Use light pressure, don't press/jam the edge into the stone. You want to get your whole edge as close to looking like a V as possible, as clean and parallel as possible. If you're doing that but you can't get it to shave after a while, slightly increase your edge angle, just barely turn the knight up during a pass so that you make sure you're grinding the actual apex. Don't worry about how many degrees, that's bullshittery. Match the edge angle the knife had from the factory, get it well formed on the coarse stone, if it's still shit then slightly turn the blade into the stone to make sure the apex is being ground. Again, this shouldn't take very long, an India stone cuts fast because it is coarse as shit.

Once that is done, go straight to the ceramics, go to your coarser one first. Don't even fuck with a diamond right now, you're too inexperienced, just go to the coarser of your two ceramics and make sure it is oiled. Use mineral oil. Now that the blade is already shaving coming off the India stone, doesn't have to be "hair whittling," just so long as it can honestly shave hair, then you just basically refine what you've got on the ceramics. This can take a long time for those steels on ceramics, that's just how it is with them. On the fine ceramic, which should be a white color, it is going to take a fucking long time and is very difficult. Here you're just trying to get your edge angle as parallel with the ceramic as possible during a pass, so you can grind your apex (highest point on the edge). Here again, if you're having problems after a long time, just tilt your blade up (edge into the stone a little deeper) during a pass. If you already did that on the India stone, then use that same slightly higher angle right away on the ceramic.

you're basically just trying to get your edge as parallel with the abrasive as possible during a pass. Always use light pressure, always keep your shit well oiled. Don't be afraid to actually grind the steel. When I say "tilt the blade up slightly," that is a micro-bevel. You don't want a big micro-bevel because it will fuck up your cutting ability but you might need to use a very slight one if grinding the steel is too hard, which is often the case with M4, S30V, and S90V, and which is why I hate those steels. Fuck Spyderco, Spyderco's business model is to hype steels and then get you to spend 200 dollars on them. All those high vanadium steels are dogshit for sharpening, and all those losers on the forums who talk about their "hair carving edges" spend 2 hours sharpening their knife on 8 different stones and 3 different stropping compounds, or are using a Wicked Edge system and not telling you about it. Spyderco makes great knives, I carry one everyday, but seriously, fuck their steel hype bullshit.

Good steels that are easy to sharpen: 420hc, 440c, 154cm, vg-10. Most 440c these days is shit quality, only trust it coming from a mainstream manufacturer like Spyderco, Benchmade, or Buck. D2 is a good steel, I have custom knives in it, but it is harder to sharpen than these steels I just listed. I would say sell that vanadium garbage on ebay and then buy you some Buck 420hc and learn to sharpen on that stuff. It is easy to sharpen, is well tempered, and is cheap, so you don't have to worry about screwing up.

yes, many people are lying on the forums, don't even go there. Besides Cliff Stamp, they're practically all useless. The only knife guy who ever helped me was Cliff Stamp.

>>495924

now that's quality autism

IATA

>>495933

Well its correct so its excusable.

if you wanna stab through clothes, just do your pushups + pull ups and eat your $8 barbecue chicken every day

stronk > sharp

>>496048

>$8 Woolies chicken

my man

>>495871

First of all OP, excessive sharpness only means that blade will get dull instantly. Second of all, unless you use extremely hard materials such as tungsten carbide for the blade, it'll get dull quickly anyway. And third of all, you shouldn't care if your knife can shave your hairs off or not. You are going to use it for opening tin cans and cutting wood and rope, not for shaving your legs.

>>496229

i must read this

>>496325

Good luck obtaining any obsidian.

>>496348

What are you on about? Getting obsidian is fucking easy. I used to have a big head-sized chunk of it sitting on my porch.

>>496350

Forgot to annotate. The first and last are glass, second is fire opal, and the third is flint.

BILLY MAYS HERE WITH THE SAMURAI SHARK!

:^)

>>496349

Hes in UK, its basically either city, or farmland. They paved or cobbled over everything natural, and cut down all the trees for muh sunneversets navy.

>>496407

>gutted the country to become a major power

>conquered the world

>got bored and came home

>brought all the mud people back with them

It's painful to think about, really.

>>496407

Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do at all with a lack of volcanic activity on the Isles. Stupid leaf.

>>496496

Obsidian is volcanic glass. It only naturally exists near volcanos.

>>496608

Your little island didnt form out of the mists when the first pict stepped foot on it. Its part of geological processes billions of years old. Consequently, by digging, you can go back in time to when it WAS very much so volcanic. UK has one of the most interesting geologies on earth if any of you damn tea swilling reptilloid savages thought to look for it.

>>496629

genetic

dead

end

Spyderco Sharpmaker works just fine when coupled with a leather strop and some polishing compound.

>>496632

>>496608

>replying to a leaf

>>495871

>How do you get "hair popping sharp" edges without buying a $600 Wicked Edge system?

Freehand on a stone.

I've been doing it since I was a kid.

>>496833

What kind of stone

>>496838

a japanese stone

Are you telling me you don't know how to sharpen glorious nippon steel? Shamefur.

>>496994

You expect Frank to take care of his steel?

>>496826

I actually want to get one of these for my mom. She keeps buying chinese shit, and I really want her to have something nice. Unfortunately, I'm not a knife fag, so I don't know where to start.

>>497014

You have to maintain those after every use, most home cookers cant handle that discipline.

>>497038

Well, she already tries everything to maintain the shit knives she buys. I figure if I buy her a nice one, she'll continue to keep up maintenance. But maybe I should ask her first.

>>497046

I would say buy her a mid end knife set with a sharpening stone, it should run you under $150. If she can keep those in shape she might not need knives again for decades… Kitchen knives are dirt cheap now because even high end companies have to sell in the same market as gimmicks like ceramics (which are actually decent), 100% same appearance chink knockoff, and because mass production is perfected now.

>>497038

>You have to maintain those after every use

Do you mean resharpening or oiling or what?

>>497443

Resharpening/honing after each use. And at least decent drying, if not oiling.

So many people use a knife, rinse, stab it into the block wet. Repeat until dull, throw away, buy new ones a few months later.

Ceramics were invented for these ^ people.

>>496348

use bulk metallic glass

>>496348

You can buy chunks of obsidian for well under £20.

A $50 Spyderco 'Sharpmaker' works fine for me. I don't even use a leather stop or polish, etc… The key is to stop folding over the burr; you're likely using too much pressure. Set the profile and test it vs your fingernail at the angle you sharpened at. If it catches, then you're g2g and so you begin to hone (remove burr and divots).

>>498124

If you cut some wood after sharpening, it removes the burr completely.

If it isn't shit steel, the edge will hold.

Just don't do this with actual razors.

>>495871

Getting back on topic and answering your question, OP, you are thinking about it the wrong way.

Any piece of Chinese aluminum can be turned into a hair-shaver that looks cool. Stop obsessing over how sharp you can get an edge and pay attention to what matters…getting the right tool for the job and getting it in the right condition to do it.

IMO, there is no call for spending $600 on a sharpening system unless you are in the business of selling knives to gullible idiots who think the quality of a knife is directly related to how sharp it is.

>>495871

High vanadium steels are best sharpened with a diamond stone to prevent carbides being torn out.

Sharpen one side until you feel a bur, switch sides and continue until you feel a bur. Go with the coarsest shit you have. Once you're done on both sides, switch again and go with a handful of swipes into the blade, switch, a handful, switch and then alternate sides a couple of times.

For the last alternating swipes you'll want to got lighter and lighter each time until you're barely even touching the blade.

You should now be able to easily shave with it.

What you don't need is a dozen or so stones. For my folders I go from 100 to 300 and stop at 600 grit on diamond. For my rough work fixed blades I often stop at 300. Mirror polished edges are actually pretty shitty for cutting tough stuff.

Don't go crazy on angles either. Between 15 to 20 degrees per side is plenty shallow.

>>495915

Why would you want to shave and defend yourself with the same tool? That's just asking for an infection. Use a proper razor, double-edge or straight for shaving. You're not Kangaroo Jack.

>>496048

Isn't chicken and meat in general filled with estrogen and shit?

>>496350

>>496353

As a jeweler, I cannot help but both appreciate the fire opal one, yet disapprove of its use here. It's a stupidly soft stone and dries out with age too. While beautiful, you shouldn't use it for anything more than ceremonial stuff.

I keep my mostly carbon steel knives sharp enough to shave. If I dull one, it takes 10 minutes freehanding with a diamond and a ceramic stone, and 15 minutes or less of stropping with green compound, and it's fine again. It took me a while to learn, but my stones and equipment cost about $30 in total, and I get the same results as a $600 tool, plus, I can use any whetstone available if necessary, because the technique is essentially the same.

>>516784

>dries out

Are you saying the H20 in the crystal actually seeps out and turns it into plain glass/quartz or something?

STROPPING

I want to buy an some stone to sharpen my knifes, but I don't know if I should buy a hard or soft stone.

Seriously, I don't want to spend 50$ in a fucking sharpener. It's 5 time the price of my opinel.

>>516870

If I recall opal is a fairly porous stone.

>>518192

just get a 5 dollar medium ceramic rod from lansky and a 5 dollar norton crystolon stone, that's all I use anymore, fuck the kike pricing of all the massively expensive fringe shit, and fuck knife forums.

Find a knife making class at a local vo-tech school. My class was $100 and $25 for materials. We made it all from stock bar steel and pre-treated soft wood. After grinding the basic shape they were tempered and edge hardened so they can stand with the best commercial knives available. We didn't use a lathe or anything more expensive than a drill press and a belt sander.

It was also very satisfying to make something useful with your bare hands if you've never done it before. If they have a leather working class I would also take that so you can make a sheath for it too.

angle jig and a normal whetstone

there's a great book on the subject, there's an inset where the author lets his daughters shave his beard with wood axes.

https://www.amazon.com/Razor-Edge-Book-Sharpening/dp/096660590X

Found it. I got a .pdf of it in the abbreviated /k/ube a while back.

Should I get a Glock knife or KM X000.

>>521356

KM. BW knives are indestructible.

>>519388

Shit man, I may do some looking.

I have a simple knife design in mind but anything I find is overpriced or cheapo quality.