/k/ - Weapons

What purpose does turning a tank into a Yorkshire terrier serves?

>>492467

They'll be looking for tanks not magic carpets. The article says it's leather on the tank in an attempt to block thermal.

>>492460

Man, one of them has to be a wehraboo after numbering a t72 311

>>492467

Don't the Jews put chains on Merkavas to induce premature detonation of RPGs? Could be something like that. I'm sure their mossad handlers told them about it, but they're probably using all their chains on the little boys they diddle.

>>492464

I wonder what the ballistic coefficient of a propane tank is?

>>492471

The Israelis put chains with balls on the ends in an attempt to keep the Merkava getting raped by ATGMs/RPGs like happened in south Lebanon. Some Syrian workshops copied the idea and found that it didn't work for shit. Southfront had pictures and a decent article on the mods; giant birdcage armor is the future.

>>492460

Those wire (?) screens and roof looks comfy

>>492467

they look like shitty huts from a distance, also fucks with any automated satellite searching that registers objects based on shape.

>>492460

>2nd pic

>using grated steel steps as slat armor

That… actually might work

Although the effectiveness of slat armor in general is pretty mediocre

>>492499

lolno the point is to leave as much space as possible for the fuse to pass through unpressed, but just enough to snag the rim of the warhead diameter.

The tighter your mesh is the more chance you'll snag the fuse and activate it, thus ruining the point of the thing.

Slat seperation on Armatas cage is 97mm, because a >100mm HEAT warhead is needed to penetrate the basic composite armor on those areas of the tank.

>>492460

Even their tanks wear burkas.

Man all the money we're funneling to them and THIS is all they can think of?

>>492464

>arabs have weaponized angry birds

What in the shit is going on?

>>492460

I'm assuming they put water on top of the tanks to imbibe the fabric and cool down the whole thing to fool air IR detection.

>>492561

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>>492464

>those hydraulic stabilizer for the cannon

Holy shit that's fucking incredible. Also technically legal in New York City.

>>492460

fucking file name , my sides

Yup, we really did meme GLA into existence. Now we wait for China to start nuking German cities full of terrorists and US revert to isolationism.

>>492900

What have you done?

>>492900

What's GLA?

>>492918

Goat Liberation Army.

>>492918

One of the factions from C&C:Generals, its the durka durka faction.

>>492918

>What's GLA?

A faction of a pre-Iraq invasion vidya.

Using disguised VBIED, suicide bombers, angry mobs, poison missiles, etc… to liberate the middle-east, install the caliphate and are basically insane.

A very accurate portrayal of the middle east at a time it wasn't common.

>>492928

Let's not forget the fact that they totally take over Europe while we do practically nothing about it and only Chine gives a second fuck to "liberate" the continent from terrorists and consequently assume world hegemony after BTFO of the lowly subhumans.

It was surprisingly redpilled for a (((EA))) game.

>>492914

Saved Europe most likely.

I for one welcome our new ching chong ping pong Overlords.

>>492937

Sorry for trippleposting but please can someone explain to me why double barreled-tanks are retarded IRL?

Also extra prophetic CnC General's content. The chinks using an obvious MiG-MFI rip-off as their main fighter-bomber.

>>492938

Size, weight, complexity, and realistic engagement need.

>The recoil buffer systems for tank cannons take up a fair bit of room and slamming two in to a turret sounds frustrating.

>Most double barrel turret designs place the barrels so that they cannot independently target enemies.

>Increasing the number of cannons increases the potential loss of firepower; you have to make the tank far less vulnerable for the increased investment to pay off.

>The decreased stowage space means less ammunition can be carried even though there are now two guns.

>Two cannons side by side, especially on the outside edges of a turret, complicate FCS integration.

>>492941

On the sides it's retarded, over each other it's doable.

But the only reason would be increased rate of fire for a cost in space and weight… two things tanks never have to spare.

The Russians did a prototype SPG like that, though it's dubious if you could use one then the other in quick succession, it was most likely a way to address rapid barrel wear, heat dissipation. Fire X shell with the first barrel, reconfigure the SPG, fire X shells with the second, etc…)

But of course a SPG is not a tank, SPG have reloading vehicles with them anyway so it's not that bad if they lose some shell housing capacity.

>>492941

But what if we design what is basically an SPG using Navy turrets and cannons?

>>492561

>>492565

Canadian technology 101

>>493101

I don't know, have you ever tried to make a Tank out of Maple Syrup?

>>493153

>the idea of massive tank vs. tank battles that never became reality and it made the tank awful to use for every other task one might wanna use a tank for

This really needs to be drummed into the heads of modern Tank designers fucking everywhere. Hell everyone that wants to talk Tanks at all need to have this drummed into their fucking head hard.

I love how most tank discussions turn into circlejerks about "muh shell velocity" with SABOT rounds, but when you bring up "Okay, what about dealing with something say like infantry?" you get complete fucking silence.

>>493166

Well yeah. Just use Airbursting High Explosives. Its not hard.

>>493167

Rhinos are from the FV432 family not M113, it's fairly straightforward when you look at the track shapes (5 ground rollers, but double triangle shapes due to the high positions front and back rollers, which is not the case on the M113).

>>493191

That's true, but you could still make a nice conversion if you just glued to lascannons to the front of a Rhino.

>>493166

>"Okay, what about dealing with something say like infantry?" you get complete fucking silence.

artillery

>>493189

No one has it, also smothbore is detrimental to it.

>>493189

>>493196

>Let's wait 5-20 minutes with our thumbs up our asses for artillery to reach target, if artillery is in the area anyway

>>493212

hey, dont blame me for not using resources given to you properly.

>>493218

Was a Cobra actually ever Cat by a tank-borne airbust shell in a real combat situation?

>>493218

The question though, does it actually work? Since last I heard you were shying away from it for less than stellar performance.

>>493261

>Defense update says its 30% more effective against AFVs than the old HEAT shells.

That doesn't really say much, since it doesn't tell me how good it is against Goatfuckers hiding behind their wives or in their sex dungeons.

>>493218

>>493261

That airburst is proximity fused, wont work on ground targets.

Its a very light 100mm HEAT shell in a sabot to fit into 120mm guns, designed purely for speed. Speed means higher hit rate on moving targets.

The fact that the shell is so light makes it absolute garbage against troops though.

>>493263

Does the US still have cannister shot at least? Or is it one of these rounds that's been developed but never actually used?

>>493265

I could have sworn at some point reading something about occasional tanks being equipped with more canister shot than usual at some point in the last several years, due to being very effective against sandnigger rushes during our never ending wars/occupations in sandnigger country.

>>493265

Yes and its extremely popular because they dont have good FRAG.

>>493265

The M1028 is the canister load for the M256. Flechette had been developed for the M68 with the M494 APERS-T, but never saw any use in US inventory, so most of it was sent to the IDF and some other nations. The Styker also has a canister round for its M68A2 with the M1040. Oddly enough, both the M1028 and M1040 were developed at the request of USKFK once the US has sold off what remained of it's M494 APERS-T stock. It left tank crews no effective means in combating infantry waves as was/is predicted to be be faced in a Nork action against the Sorks. Of course, it's proven to be invaluable in the Mid-East in shredding Durka masses and clearing out streets.

>>493287

>The shell is also Time fused so it can airburst on ground targets as well. 100mm isn't a laughing matter.

I've not found anywhere in any DoD or ATK spec sheets or even in the M774 fuse patent where it has an timed air-burst setting function. Now, it mentions a proximity based air-burst function choice for use against rotary aircraft.

>>493284

Well a big box o' rockets would allow a tank to fire a lot of guided munitions very quickly. Why did rocket tanks fall out of favor? It seems like a good way to get more accuracy and maybe longer ranges.

>>492464

Looks like they watched a scene outta the movie "The Last Castle". Good movie btw.

>>493218

>>493261

>>493287

Err buddy sorry to shit on your parade but the HEAT-MP is fucking awful. It's just another AT round that's being phased out of service and no, it can't do airburst. Saying it's slightly more effective against bunkers doesn't say much when HEAT isn't actually that effective against them to begin with. They are far more likely to use canister shot, a version of which is essentially a light bunker buster round.

>>493166

>infantry

What're the machine guns and canister shells for?

>>493350

Something that's done a lot better with WP.

>>492480

Big, a propane tank can blow up an house. And even they don't fuck around with acetyilene tanks

>>493353

Don't those things kill more of their supporters than anything they're actually fighting?

>>493354

Syria is essentially one Big WAAAGH full of Orkz.

>>493350

>>493352

>Britbong suggests using of WP before Russian does

I feel like I've just slipped into an alternate universe.

>>493323

No one expected having to fight zergs of dudes.

>>493354

You're confusing it with barrel bombs.

>>493354

you are conffusing it with socialists

>>493166

> "Okay, what about dealing with something say like infantry?"

Canister shot, just like Napoleon used.

>>493384

Last I checked barrel bombs were doing enough damage to the right stuff to cause some heavy kvetching where as those propane things removed more FSA shits than the SAA they were aiming at.

>>493167

>manlet.jpg

>>493630

First world superpowers are funding this, you bluepill pleb.

>>493637

Her penis is really ugly man.

>>492460

>>493333

Checkem. But I think he's talking more about ATGM's.

>>494813

still the same point stands. you can mount atgms at any buggy and it will be as effective as on 20milion$ steel behemoth

>>495798

>I have seen the future of Tonk design; take these T-72 mods and place tempered glass on the cage. Extend out from the glass and cage to make an air gaped outer cage which has camouflage netting all over it. The camouflage netting will break up the outline and the tempered glass, as we all know, will make the tank invisible to IR/modern imaging.

i have even better idea! lets put era on cage

>>495800

>not already stringing ERA onto/into your camouflage netting.

Come on. Ultimate armor idea: Make a Dragonskin type armor out of tempered glass. Flexible and invisible.

>>495801

>>495798

Have you taken your pills Carl Carwindows?

>>495798

Do you have a working link for that article?

>slat + skirts + standard armor

I guess that might actually work against direct attack ATGM's, as long as the tank is in hull down position.

>>495804

https://southfront.org/t-72-shielded-tank-saved-lives-of-its-crew-in-syria/

Did the archive.is link get borked?

>>495798

Makes me wonder if using old shopping trolleys and shopping baskets count as CAGE armour?

>>492460

>When Abdul refers to the tank as a "she" and they force the tank to put on the burka.

>>496055

>Archive link

>WEWbo

Kek.

>>496290

It's a perfect metaphor for this website.

>cobbled together

>somewhat functioning

>wildly hopeful additions

>island gooxican

>>496290

>explosive

that's ERA, these guys are ahead of DARPA

>>496290

thats for protection against shrapnel, right?

if it works why nit use it?

Doesn't ISIS have 2 Leopard 2 A4 tanks? Do they ever use them?

>>496323

>Doesn't ISIS have Leo 2's?

Don't see how considering when they knocked them out they literally blew the tops off them.

>>496290

At least it doesn't spall

>>496342

Well, when it's wood it's called splintering. I'd be more concerned about Molotov's.

>>493218

You know how I know you never served in a unit equipped with the M1A1/A2????

>>496338

Some Turks abandoned perfectly fine tanks after they were beaten.

>>495800

>>495801

The US experimented with glass armor in the 50s. And found that while it was very effective at resisting HEAT shells, it also kinda broke from driving and everyday life. Go figure.

>>495969

Well the soviets used chicken wire in WW2… But again they also used INFANTRY PROTECTION.

>>496321

Its simply more stand off armor to weaken shaped charges. The skin of the V-150 is already thick enough to deal with shell splinters fine.

>>496357

The fire would just stay on the outside… Molitiovs aren't really a threat to modern armor if they keep buttoned up. INB4 someone posts that webm of the BTR that got stuck on the barricade and fucked up bad by like, 50 simultaneous bottles

>>496654

Desant is a fine tactic, west would use it too if politicians had balls.

The hangers on have the kind of situational awareness even the best tank commander cant manage, getting the tank to evade fire, pop smoke, or orient properly.

They all have guns and can kill any RPG attempt, spot ambushes, IED, mines… leave the tank and engage enemy foot far faster as well.

Also no matter what hits them the guys on the far side of the tank survive…. compare to APC where whatever hits it the full complement of dudes gets turned into marmelade.

>stand off armor to weaken shaped charges.

Wait until someone tells them the optimal standoff range can be up to a meter.

>>496654

>But again they also used INFANTRY PROTECTION.

Yes they did. That is where you have infantry ride along on top of your vehicle to shoot any silly Germans that try and hit it with a Panzerfaust. There is nothing wrong with this.

>>496675

>There is nothing wrong with this.

There WAS nothing wrong with this… in 1945. Modern ATGW's make it suicidal for the infantry, and useless for the AFV.

>>496704

Though I admit its ok if you do it just to give the infantry more mobility so they can keep up.

>>496704

Not true.

ATGM are subsonic so theres about half a minute from the time launch is spotted to the time it hits.

Plenty of time for a Desant soldier to use the HMG, LMG or DMR to shoot at the ATGM operator.

Barring that theres time to jump off or warn the tank so it can use the main gun on the ATGM operator, pop smoke and evade.

>>496721

Go look at the videos of groups of infantry in Syria being targeted and hit with TOWs and say that with a straight face.

In combat, you have essentially zero chance of spotting an incoming ATGM before it actually hits. The only way to avoid being hit is to be moving, preferably through concealment and/or cover so the damn thing cannot hit you.

And spotting it from a tank is even more unlikely. The noise prevents hearing the launch sound, your view is restricted, even if opened up, and if you are trained your attention will be on completing your task.

>Ask me how I know.

>>496723

how you know?

>>496723

Do you have a single video of syrians riding desant, much less betting hit by TOW?

>>496724

I used to be a tankie.

>>496725

I've seen videos shared on halfchan of squad-sized groups of infantry getting blown to shit by TOWs.

And Desant is not practical on the frontline. A handful of mortar shells or a burst from an automatic grenade launcher would shred an infantry company and leave the tank platoon it was riding on unscathed and vulnerable to a follow-on attack.

It looks cool, but you just cant ride into battle in the 21st century that way- it's way too exposed.

Like I said, it is still useful for administrative movements, the ride from the FUP to the FEBA, but not into the battle itself.

>>496654

> glass armor in the 50s

Yeah but that's 50's glass.

What if they used phone screen 'glass', or put guerillas in the glass?

>>504957

What about JB weld armor?

>>492460

it's to shade the tank during the day for the comfort of the crew, maybe an ettempt to disguise thermal signal at night

It would also work really well to stop snipers picking off crew riding on the shell

>>492464

worlds cheapest standoff weapon, man portable, used to keep up psychological preassure and to cause attrition in a stalemate.

you could use them like a stalin organ to shoot ans scoot in urban areas

>>504935

Just to add to your post a bit.

Those 1 pound tanks you get at walmart to light your tiny grill or heater is essentially a bomb without a detonator. There is no auto over pressure release on those things, they get hot enough and they just blow.

Also, propane is heavy, it settles to the ground when in an enclosed space. This leads to different fire behavior as it will just torch the hell out of everything above the propane. But the area the propane was once residing will be rather untouched in comparison.

Reminds me the good times when EA was good, but ain't GLA.

It's almost sad to watch this, those subhumans are trying with all their might to stand a chance agaisnt the white man and, just look at that. I bet a fucking feudal lord(who are obviously white) would be able to beat them.

It's just sad. Gotta exterminate them already and populate that deserte with the superior white master race already, them we can have a fair fight.

>>505141

t. Bettynho Zirigdum

test

>>505589

>>>/test/

>>496290

WHAT'S IN THE BOX!?

>>506169

hotwheels pigfood

>>504935

>>505057

Propane is also a clean-burning fuel which is both convenient and safe to use in the home. Propane accessories are inexpensive and widely available, as well as high quality due to it being a very mature industry.

Read more about propane on the Official 8chan Propane forum >>>/newsplus/

>>506224

I tell you what.

>>506224

Eat shit Mr. Employee of the decade, your wife's a whore and her son is a faggot.

>>505525

what is the rate of fire on these?

asides from the low profile and obvious potential for speed i see no real advantage to fielding these:

< no turret to traverse

< large back-blast from recoiless rifles, position giveaway

< second crew-member has to expose himself in order to reload guns

its a shame the japanese wern't allowed to develop better weapons after the war, im pretty sure they built the first prototype auto-loader

>>506454

Their 100mm AAA was autoloaded

>>506471

relative to the advances in Asian military hardware they are under-performing, sorry for not clarifying, south korean and Chinese technology seems far more useful, naturally i fel this arguement will devolve into >muh qualiteh when we talk about china, but the fact of the matter is that no nation on the face of the planet is fielding a larger standing army and equipping them as well as the chinese, south korean tanks look aesthetic as fuck (k2 black panther) i am taking into account that, we dont know how well it performs in the field yet, and even the poos are producing some interesting stuff like the Vidhwansak, my point being that the nips arnt really pulling their weight due to the crushing weight of americas ball-sack on their faces

>>506455

i stand corrected

>>506487

>but the fact of the matter is that no nation on the face of the planet is fielding a larger standing army and equipping them as well as the chinese

The army that isn't allowed to touch their equipment between parades, fires fifty rounds per man per year at the range, and spends most of their time training for riot control?

>>506490

your argument hinges strongly on the superimposition of western values onto Asians.

> the chinese dont care if they lose large amount of people because they control the media in their country unlike the west

> they operate on the old school doctrine of hiding the small group of heavy hitters among the meat, much like Stalin used the cossacks among the conscripts, the chinese built apon this by having far better equipped general infantry, now instead of five bullets and a mosin for every second soldier, they have fifty rounds and an assault rifle per soldier, with helmets and cheap mass produced Armour support copied off of tried and tested Russian Armour

that being said, i acknowledge and respect your point

in the end, we havnt seen the modern chinese military engage in full on combat yet so we have no idea how effective it really is

>>493630

We beat the English with untrained soldiers (mostly) using old shotguns, hunting rifles and pistols in two years.

In the 20's.

Sometimes major superpowers can fuck up hard.

>>507510

grey is isis, right?

>>508047

Wew, rude.

>The Draco self-propelled anti-aircraft gun was developed by OTO Melara as a private venture. It is a further development of the previous Otomatic SPAAG developed in the mid 80s.

Are problems with this system theoretical or practical? Although I really don't see why wouldn't they go with a smaller (40mm-60mm) or a bigger (100mm-155mm) system.

>>508102

It only carries 70 rounds, it's fire autonomy is less than minute…

>>510491

>Korea learned how to copy others by copying Japan copying others

Truly shameful display

>>511087

Koreans can't do anything. It isn't a surprise.

>>511087

>>511101

>don't pretend you canucks didn't copy the ways of the OiCunts.

>>507572

>>507510

Grey is ISIS

yellow is Kurds.

Third world non-state is winning against third world non-state

>>511101

The extremely conformist tendencies of asian culture tends towards refinement of existing tech over innovating new tech. The traditional japanese house is a prime example of this incredible refinement to the nth degree of what is basically a lincoln log skeleton with paper doors and woven rice straw floors.

>>505035

>You could use them like a stalin organ to shoot ans scoot in urban areas

That's what Syrian (((moderate))) rebels did on their attempt to cut the SAA's siege on rebel forces in Aleppo. They carried dozens of large steel pipes, loaded them with propane shells and fired them at the SAA lines. They just put them on debris and bricks on the right angle.

>>518373

>Welding a full tank

>Welding a tank in general

>kebab

>>504935

Ummm, even though i can confirm that the metal is thick enough to weld, the teperature inside rises very quickly once you start welding it.

You could weld an completely empty one, with the valve open, you would be safe. But if that fucker has even fumes of anything flammable inside, and the gas gas nowhere to expand, they are guaranteed to blow.

>>522153

>>522149

well as long as it works…

> in the port, at low speed, with no waves, imagine what happens when it does a sharp turn or has to use the guns to fire to the sides.

i dont know, it makes a turn and shoots its guns? please explain whats wrong with it. poles get -20 to navy

>>522153

I don't see anything wrong with that ship, it looks like a pretty standard coastal gunboat to me.

>>522153

>Ovod

Shit's almost dead already. However it's possible that due to the cheapness some improved version may be put into use some day.

>BTR-3 = BTR 70

It was designed on a БТР-94 base, БТР-94 was the export modernization of БТР-80. Spare bottom parts of БТР-70 are being used in one of the БТР-3 modifications (exactly БТР-3ДА/70).

>Practika/Otoman

Irrelevant. Btw Practika is a private civil defense stuff (CIT vehicles, fire-fighting systems etc) manufacturer that has neither big opportunities nor experience on this field.

>le Jewish Nazis

Not this shit again.

>>522193

The boat's alright, but at least one of the two factory owners still is a fag and should be jailed.

>>522149

Didn't the Russians find that cage armor is utter trash and only adds weight and being a magnet for anything when operating off road?

>>508102

The issue was the market. Nobody wanted to buy them. Each nation they offered it to just went on about

>muh missile AA

Sadly the Otomatic never saw use. Even though it's a fucking naval gun put on a track and hooked up to radar that can engage ground and air targets with rapid-fire 76mm shells.

>>522298

in the pics you can see troop compartment in the back. its an apc of sorts

>>522298

>what does it…do?

Memes only. Some farmer guy put a cistern onto a tractor and called it an APC.

>>496723

>In combat, you have essentially zero chance of spotting an incoming ATGM before it actually hits

If you're retarded, maybe.

>>522347

That's fucking retarded. Why bother with all that when you can easily put the same gun and FCS on a truck or AFV chassis, thus allowing it to actually keep up with the infantry, defend itself against threats that aren't helicopters, and generally be useful for things other than this one extremely specific and implausible scenario?

>>522469

>AFV chassis

Great now you need:

1. Armor to protect crew.

2. Constant supplies to keep crew alive.

3. Constant fuel supplies or it doesn't work.

Also you just increased cost from $50k per piece to $500k, can't be camouflaged, has a huge IR signature, can't be deployed at a moments notice, and you can't airdrop it on a mountain or in rough terrain (limited to roads).

>>522483

If you read my original post you'd know I already solved these issues.

>malaysian airlines

>bees

>bear

>a fucking lard ladies and gentlemen

Can you fuck off and stop shitting up the thread? Serious posts only.

>>522508

>radar position

>Modernize a skysweeper with infrared sensors and autoloaders

It's completely passive and running on batteries, with enough power and ammo to last the conflict. Good luck finding it.

>The sensors alone cost close to a million

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaahahahahahahahaha!

>>522514

Skysweeper has an effective altitude of 9km, whereas airliners fly at 10km… only loaded bombers, terrain flying bombers, cruise missiles, or helicopters would be in its engagement envelope.

Both of you niggers need to stop being niggers.

>>522523

>IR only

AAAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>IR running on batteries for more than a few minutes

this shit just gets better and better, thanks for the laugh

>>522508

No matter how kebabish they are it's nearly impossible to not love Memri, especially given they are the closest thing to real mainstream news at the moment.

>>522577

IRST requires a shitload of power, has a terrible detection range vs. any helicopter made since the mid-80s, has an even worse range in bad weather, and can't see anything at all if it's coming from the general direction of the sun.

IR is also obstructed by treetops to a much greater degree than radar, so if an autismbox lands in the woods its field of view will be limited to a narrow cone directly above it.

>>522632

>IRST requires a shitload of power

No it doesn't, IRST systems exist in CCD form now, which requires about the same energy as a cellphone battery. There are already persistent surveillance sensors with infrared ability, sensitive enough to spot prop using drones.

>treetops

Jesus fucking Christ… this is fourth time you're bringing this up. You realize we don't have to drop it randomly right? We can target an area we want it to be in?

>autismbox

Only someone who has zero fucking argument would be this childish. Imagine being this retarded at a congressional panel that determines your funding.

There are many points you could criticize my post on because it's short as shit and doesn't explain the full concept, why do you keep picking dumb shit? Stop dying on hills that make you look like a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about.

This might be somewhat irrelevant, but I just wanted to ask what the feasibility of manually guiding AA missiles (primarily for use against helicopters) with wireless digital cameras mounted on the missile?

>>522652

Technically feasible, but not very accurate. A lot of ATGMs can be, and are, used that way.

>>522646

>IRST systems exist in CCD form now, which requires about the same energy as a cellphone battery

The camera itself doesn't need much power, but the massive cooling system required to give it multi-kilometer ranges and all-aspect capabilities sure as hell does.

>sensitive enough to spot prop using drones

Those uncooled surveillance cameras have a range of a few hundred meters under ideal conditions. You want to track targets several kilometers away, in poor weather, while your IR sensor is potentially sitting right next to a 500 degree gun barrel.

>You realize we don't have to drop it randomly right? We can target an area we want it to be in?

I'm sure the enemy will be kind enough to avoid fighting you in the woods.

I seriously hope you aren't suggesting that you can paradrop cargo from that altitude with any degree of precision

>Only someone who has zero fucking argument would be this childish. Imagine being this retarded at a congressional panel that determines your funding.

wew lad

>>522658

Not to mention that, air dropped systems incur weight and size limits with greater failure rates. For defense, an air dropped system makes less sense than a self-propelled system. For someone like airborne, tasked with taking an unfriendly air field, there might be some merit.

>>522652

There are already manually guided air defense missiles such as Blowpipe, which this guy >>522658 would know if he knew fuck all about jack shit.

>>522671

Can you tell me more about the blowpipe, or should I start a separate MANPAD thread? I primarily want to know if it feasible for a group like ISIS, FARC, or even criminal organizations to build one. I'm surprised we haven't seen more from these groups concerning these kinds of weapons.

Hahahaha

http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-Rocket-Guidance/

>>522671

I never said that it hadn't been done, only that it was impractical. Blowpipe, like every other MCLOS SAM/AAM, was garbage.

>>522673

>Pic is adverse weather, 11km

Pic is well under 1km. The scale puts FOV at around 9.5 degrees, which works out to at most ~300m assuming a 1m drone.

As for maximum range of that system: the water on the horizon is hazy even at only 3-4km, even though the weather looks to be about as mild as it can be. Reread the marketing material more carefully, it's careful never to state that it can detect a drone at 11km and in poor weather, only that it can do one or the other.

That's also a cooled system which requires 240W of external power. Did you even read the specs at all?

>Why would you put the sensor next to a barrel? Why set them apart?

Because you insisted on jamming this system into a single very small package, forcing you to put the IRST within a meter of the gun unless you do something silly like put the IRST on a tall mast, which would face pretty serious stability problems given your weight and size constraints.

>Put a bit of glass between it? Why wouldn't you have thermal sleeve on the barrel? Why not cool it?

The problem isn't the barrel itself, but the heating of the surrounding air due to repeated firing. Cooling systems can delay this, but it also adds a lot of weight. A bigger problem is the muzzle flash, which is hot enough to totally blind the camera for a second or two.

>What kind of 76mm barrel heats to 500C?

Big autoloading guns like that get pretty fucking hot after ten or twenty rounds of full-auto. Also I'm using real people degrees, 500F is 260C.

>more namecalling

Your first post was worded to suggest a dual radar/IR system. If I interpreted it as IR-only (why would I, that's retarded), you would just pretend that you were always talking about a dual guidance system from the start just so you could continue to call people retards.

>>522700

>doesnt admit to being wrong

>keeps claiming such a device can't exist

>despite being shown evidence

OK

>>522706

I don't know if that's to be trusted, sound guidance sounds unworkable in real life for tanks or helicopters.

More likely it just uses sonar or something instead of a physical probe.

>>522715

>no argument

>>522706

Fucking Ukraine, of course they'd do this. Is there anything they haven't weaponized at this point?

>>522721

I've provided ample evidence that your claims are bullshit. All you've done is call me names and say "nuh uh, you're wrong" without any arguments or evidence to support you.

>>522694

We're less than a decade from low-end surface to air missiles being available to anyone with a reasonable amount of chemistry, soldering, and metalworking experience.

>>522706

>That would make it the world's first sound-homing ground weapon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximity_fuze#Acoustic

>Acoustic sensing used a microphone in a missile. The characteristic frequency of an aircraft engine is filtered and triggers the detonation. This principle was applied in British experiments with bombs, anti-aircraft missiles, and airburst shells (circa 1939). Later it was applied in German anti-aircraft missiles, which were mostly still in development when the war ended.

>The British used a Rochelle salt microphone and a piezoelectric device to trigger a relay to detonate the projectile or bomb's explosive.

>>522717

>haven't weaponized at this point?

Spoons, the bongs got em beat.

>>522738

You mean the next WWI crisis of trench warefare once planes aint shit??

>>492938

The reason the Chinks rip it off not because they can't design it. They can't maintain it lol.

>>523024

>if I don't make any specific claims then my opponent can't prove me wrong

200% leaf

like seriously just point to any specific claim in my previous post >>522700 that you dispute

>>523021

>planes ain't shit

It'll definately make helicopters and troop transport planes more vulnerable. The effects on COIN doctrine will be very interesting. Armies will have to go back to using APCs and armored cars in larger numbers for rapid response.

>>522369

I don't think the guy who jumped out survived the pressure differential.

>>504935

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KindheartedKindBlackfootedferret-size_restricted.gif

this?

>>492525

underrated post