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 No.45719

Hello, I'm going to be VERY honest here.

I have no clue as to what hypnosis is or rather..suggestibility. OK I understand to a degree that suggestibility is well, doing something autonomously in a sense, simply put the ability to do something asked with a second thought (but not mindlessness)

I ask all of you for advice?

Well for starters even though I know that hypnosis isn't some "otherworldly powerful force" or..well magic for a simpler word lol

(I guess I feel I've been conditioned that way due to the media I consume? Lol)

I have been trying to take notes on things that might help me, I just can't really apply it.

I'm sorry if after I type this its some weird wall of text but,

1. I tried listening to inductions, and most of them want you to relax in a certain way by focusing on body parts or visualization. And I found that difficult or sort of well…boring in a way. Is relaxation the only way to get into trance?

2. I started trying to listen to dual vocal inductions, and while I like it I just couldn't go under the way I wanted. I have ADHD and it was suggested that I should go for this, or a confusion induction.

3. I feel like I'm trying to force the hypnosis sometimes like for example with spirals and flashing images etc I just pretend my eyes are slowly closing or, for example if I listen to audio then I try to repeat the tists words in my head. But of course that doesn't work

4. Maybe I have too high expectations as to how hypnosis works, which means I have ALOT to learn.

If you took the time to read this, thank you! If anyone would be willing to impart some advice I'd take it with a grain of salt!

 No.45720

Also.. I almost forgot, affirmations! Are those a form of self hypnosis in a way as well? Is there a way to get the most out of those?


 No.45724

You are not only a hypnosis noob, but apparently also a newfag.

Don't create a new thread for every single thought you want to discuss. Why not use the Looping while sleeping thread a bit further and delete this one? Or delete the other one and dedicate this one to all of your and possibly other anons' noob questions.

That being said, hypnosis doesn't work for everyone and there are threads of this kind from time to time here. The usual suggestion is to find a hypnotist or style you like and try a few different files, especially trance training ones. After you have done so for a few days or even weeks if you are patient enough, you will either have some sort of success, which you can build on, or you know with high probability, that general hypnotic audio isn't for you, and go on to try other maybe similar things. Conditioning also works outside of hypnosis as you appear to know, so maybe that would be something to explore further.

(Affirmations are also a form of it)

Lastly hypnosis does not necessarily need relaxation. When you are conditioned to respond to a sleep trigger with a trance and higher suggestibility, that also qualifies as hypnosis. Relaxation has just been established as the easiest way to reach a trance state, that is usable for hypnosis, while also avoiding injuries due to a certain loss of consciousness.


 No.45728

Alright, fine. Jeez, I can almost hear the voice with an attitude in the first part of the post, I can see why chan boards attract certain people. I'm no better than anyone else but wow.

At least I know now. I suppose I could have gotten a harsher response.

Well thank you for the info anon,

While I'm here though I might as well ask another set of questions (I can't delete this post, I tried the password is randomized)

Hypnosis videos that use lots of visuals..well subliminals do those actually work? I suppose the visuals could distract you from the audio?

Or is it more like you focus on both?

I'm thinking about making a video of some sorts with media?

Well, might as well say it here, I have a sort of idea of a hypnosis video where rhythm and words are incorporated in the background while video is playing, the focus would be the beats along with video and the user is supposed well…"enjoy" themselves while following the beats…

Would that even work in theory?


 No.45749

1) Hypnosis is an internal process, so the suggestions to focus on relaxing cause the subject to internalize what they're experiencing over whatever external shit is going on (the room they're in, what they're laying or sitting on, sounds around them, etc). Relaxation is not a requirement for entering a trance of trance, of course not. The simplest example of a trance can be something like this:

Ever been reading a book, or anything really, and get so focused on what you're reading that you don't happen to notice a phone ringing nearby, or someone calling your name to the point where they practically have to scream at you or make contact with you to get you to respond to them?

If so, that's a trance - it's just a conscious state of hyper-focused attention on a single thing to the exclusion of all external stimuli, as Erickson used to describe it.

2) "couldn't go under the way I wanted" - listen, you have no real experience with purposely learning how to go into trance, so making a statement like that tells us you're going on preconceptions of what YOU think trance should be, and that's setting yourself up for failure. Trance is unique for every person, what you experience is not what others experience so no matter what you read or watch or listen to, at this point your lack of experience should be tempered by the fact that you simply don't have a clue about it yet. Learning how to allow yourself to go into trance is the key here, and it's a process where you learn things just like anything else.

3) Trance happens, it isn't forced, and when it does happen you're rarely consciously aware that it has actually happened because it's an unconscious process and you will not consciously be aware of it when it does. Yes, that doesn't make sense to the conscious mind that'll be reading it but that's fine, your unconscious mind is OK with that and understands it. Pretending is fine, just don't get pissed at yourself when - again - things don't come out like your preconceptions are locked into.

4) Yep, you do, on both counts.

As for the people online, most are nice, but yes there's assholes and bitches like anywhere else, learn to see through the BS they shove out - most people have no power in their lives, none at all. They have no control of what they do daily, no control in their jobs, their relationships, nothing, no authority over anyone at all. So when they get in front of a computer or phone and realize "Hey, this Internet thing, nobody knows I'm a dog, therefore I can be that asshole I've always wanted to be…" and there it happens.

Hypnosis and trance are perfectly normal things for us Humans, we enter and leave states of trance dozens upon dozens of times a day and again, when it happens we don't consciously take note of it because it's not a conscious process, it's unconscious when it happens.

Any moments that you can't account for in your daily life, glancing out a window, staring at something and not really seeing it, lapses in time, etc, all examples of momentary trances when the conscious mind says "Fuck it…" and the unconscious comes out to play.


 No.45750

>>45724

>Relaxation has just been established as the easiest way to reach a trance state, that is usable for hypnosis, while also avoiding injuries due to a certain loss of consciousness.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long long time, but thanks for the laugh.


 No.45754

>>45750

Maybe it's to obvious or badly worded.

If someone is laying down or sitting (typical poses for relaxation) instead of standing while a trance is induced, that will well prevent any consequences from loosing balance for even a brief moment, which could lead to them falling over, before the trance is broken and they can catch the fall. At least if you think of a normal trance that is conditioned to coincide with strong relaxation.

There is also a waking trance, that I think can be induced without such risks but also seems to be way harder to achieve.

Also relaxed muscles typically suffer form less severe injuries in a case where injuries are unavoidable. Something especially drunk people benefit from from time to time.

Relaxation also promotes a less active mind state, that in turn helps to focus on the hypnosis.

If that doesn't explain it, what exactly is your comment about?


 No.45779

>>45754

Your ignorant presumption is that when a state of trance is induced/happens that someone goes unconscious aka totally limp loose and relaxed and that's not the case, it rarely actually is. It sounds like you've been watching way too many shock or instant induction videos where people are pulled or pushed into a position where they are off-balance and fall with the help of the hypnotist - those kinds of inductions are shit, always have been, always will be, and they're dangerous and stupid on top of all that anyway.

And totally unnecessary.

Trance != loss of motor control in the body, that's not how it works. A skilled actually knowledgeable hypnotist will *NEVER* induce a trance in anyone that could or would cause such a thing to happen.

Not sure what you mean by "normal trance" either, that makes basically no sense at all - trance is a mental process, not physical. Sure, we hypnotists explain that being in a trance can have some physical attributes in some respects aka "It's not sleep but it might feel like you're asleep" that doesn't mean it actually does.

I get your point, really, but the basic fact is that relaxation is not required nor anything a person should really expect to happen just because they've slipped into an actual trance. If the subject wishes to relax, that's on them, but it's not required to 'get there,' basically.


 No.45789

>>45779

I'm well aware, that hypnosis doesn't require relaxation as I have written in the post you criticized in the first place.

>>45724 >Lastly hypnosis does not necessarily need relaxation

The question in which context I brought this up was the end of 1. from OP

>Is relaxation the only way to get into trance?

I tried to explain, why hypnosis is usually mentioned alongside relaxation. There are after all not a lot of files where it isn't at least mentioned once.

Trance can not only be intense focus of the mind but also defocus of it.

There are very different types of trance possible depending on the way it is induced. For an intentionally induced trance, there are at least hypnotic trance, meditative trance and ritualistic trance (usually shamanistic and/or religious), that I know of, which are all different in the type of response they create in the trancing person. Of those hypnosis is the most adaptable because the trance can be "manipulated" by the hypnotist.

And that doesn't even include a trance, that is just an automatic response to tasks you do often and that happens multiple times a day, where you can be so defocused that the brain forgets, what it has already done and the probability of making mistakes increases. This is for instance a huge problem with assembly line work in safety critical production facilities.

So a "normal" (as explained just above) trance does not have to include high suggestibility or focus. But if the goal is to induce a hypnotic trance, relaxation is in fact a very viable option.


 No.45839

>>45719

Thank you for making the thread. I kinda wanted to make a familiar like this as well. I struggle as well with hypnosis with files and even hypnotist.

The stuff on this thread was greatly helpful and gave me great idea what I should do while listening.

Thank you all for tips and insight ^_^

Op you can add me on discord if you would like some info or link to files i tried.

Lynette#7086 and anyone else that can offer advice

I am off to try some ADHD file


 No.45862

I flailed for a long time when I was starting. Overthinking way too much, etc.

Then i listened to this simple file, with 10 minutes of on target advice. It started to make it all click.

Uploaded it to Vola

/r/n29u740r


 No.45872

>>45839

Op here, I learned a bit here too, but it seems I still have a lot more to understand…oh and likewise my discord is mian859#9107

Thanks everyone.


 No.46075

>>45862

pls reup


 No.46107

>>46075

Reuploaded.


 No.46111

>>46075

>>46107

https://volafile.org/r/n5re5bfc

Reupload ^_^




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