/hypno/ - Hypnochan

OP from the last Mind Doll thread here. Anyone who is interested can join the Discord we have. We talk about mind dolls, tulpa, and other stuff related to hypnosis and mind shit.

https://discord.gg/99VE2rh

>>39852

S'up Nakadashi? Hyperion here. I had to give the program a stop because all of a sudden there was a lot of traveling going on and I had no time to listen to the files. Did anyone from Discord managed to get to the end goal?

I'll be resuming the program in a couple of weeks since things are going to ease a lot during June. I'll probably be joining you guys at Discord later on and check how things are going but to be honest I felt like things were decaying when I was forced to jump out due to time constraints. All of a sudden people were discussing a lot of different topics and the Tulpa and other occult stuff became more preeminent than the Mind Doll, which was what got us in touch in the first place.

Anyways, nice talking to you once more.

Keep it up buddy o/

>>39858

>extra personalities

No.

>actually spirits

Cease.

>prominent tulpafags privately told others they didn't actually have tulpas

The rest just aren't admitting it.

Stop trying to use hypnosis to do impossible bullshit. You're not going to give yourself a magical friend and you're not going to turn yourself into B4mb1.

Practice hypnosis for something useful, goddammit.

>>39863

This. "Tulpamancy" is 100% unfiltered LARPing.

>>39863

>>39865

Nah, tulpas are real.

All that meme stories about tulpas going wrong are fake and the main reason why people thinks tulpas are a meme.

They aren't anything magic or supernatural, what you do when you create a tulpa is basically learn how to hear thoughts in your subconscious mind that seem to be independent from your conscious mind and assign them to a new "person" with their own personality you create inside your mind.

>>39870

>what you do when you create a tulpa is basically learn how to hear thoughts in your subconscious mind that seem to be independent from your conscious mind and assign them to a new "person" with their own personality you create inside your mind

It's more than a 'second inner voice'. If you go to the sites, boards, and forums that actively discuss tulpas (even without the meme stories you mentioned), they'll tell you that they've made multiple tulpas into entities that they can physically see and feel, not just hear. Ones that operate completely autonomously and require no input from the "host", once "fully formed".

That is LARPing.

>>39899

>i don't understand how someone can induce a portion of their subconscious into generating a hallucinatory person so therefore nobody can do it

If it's just larping then you wouldn't be too scared to make a tulpa to find out if they're real or not then, would you?

Or are you scared that it might be real?

>>39902

>muh pseudoscience

Do your tulpas take over your body to make Reddit posts too? I always thought that was really epic.

>>39903

You can train a tulpa to possess your muscular functions and move your body for you, so yeah a tulpa could do that if you trained it to do so. I don't post on Reddit though.

Also there's pretty firm established scientific bases for tulpas. The first is the mere fact that you can talk to a person in a dream and that person can respond to you. The second is the fact that DID is a thing at all. Tulpas aren't DID though so don't get confused, it just means that there are mechanisms that brains have that can be opened up to spin up a second ego within the brain's hardware. Third is whole deal with split-brain syndrome (see the following https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYbgdo8e-8 ).

But really most people just call tulpamancers schizophrenics even though there's a schizo i've chatted with who made a tulpa before developing schizophrenia who has been helped by said tulpa to stay sane and dispel schizophrenic hallucinations.

really though you'll only have it proven to you once you make one so either make one or go back to whatever you were doing before you started making me waste my time on you.

>>39907

I'm going to completely ignore what you said and just meme because I'm out of arguments but I still want to be right: the post

>>39902

Nobody is obligated to spend months of their life trying to do something they don't believe will work just to justify their disbelief to some nitwit LARPer on the internet.

>>39916

I can't believe you actually used that line. Are you posting from a kindergarten classroom?

>>39914

…You weren't actually expecting anyone to take you seriously, were you?

This sounds like a fascinating application for hypnosis, but it's going to be difficult to divorce the idea from the… stigma the 'tulpa' community has, and for good reason.

Already this thread is full of complete nonsense that is hard to distinguish from sarcasm or complete denial of reality. Personally, this sounds interesting to me on an experimental level. I'd like to try hypnosis to create a secondary inner voice, but that is all I would expect anyone to actually be able to achieve.

Truly having hallucinations of any sort while not under the influence of a mind altering substance or something like extreme sleep deprivation is evidence of an impairment in one's ability to determine reality from fantasy, which is one of the primary symptoms of schizophrenia, whether the tulpa community likes it or not. There is nothing supernatural involved in any of this.

In the spirit of the OP, I'd still like to know about any hypnosis related to this general concept, if for no other reason than to break the never ending flood of monotonous feminization and sissy hypnosis that inundates this board for some reason. That genre does nothing for me.

Are Mind Dolls and Tulpas the same or are there differences between them ?

>>39926

>having hallucinations of any sort while not under the influence of a mind altering substance or something like extreme sleep deprivation is evidence of an impairment in one's ability to determine reality from fantasy, which is one of the primary symptoms of schizophrenia

See, that's where you're wrong. You can hallucinate your tulpa (although it's really difficult to achieve and most tulpamancers can't do it) BUT, unless someone with schizophrenia who can't tell whether their hallucinations are real or not, you KNOW they aren't real, you're not having any trouble differentiating reality from fantasy, you're forcing yourself to hallucinate your tulpa and you're aware of it.

>Are Mind Dolls and Tulpas the same or are there differences between them ?

This is explained in this thread: https://8ch.net/tulpa/res/16302.html

Sounds like lucid dreaming

>>39951

Yeah, except you're awake. It's more like really vivid daydreaming.

Anyone of you guys doing the program right now?

It would be cool to share some experiences. At least it would be more a lot constructive than the "this is real stuff VS this is BS" discussion that always hijacks this kind of threads.

To kick off, I did the program for almost 2 months in a row and got some pretty decent progress. The keyword is working and I managed to hallucinate a lot of times with the worlds files. I'm talking about crystal clear mind images here. However, they were never related to the files themselves. For instance, I was listening to Enchanted Forest 3.0 but my hallucinations had nothing to do with was being described on the file. In that file they describe a guide, and while I've never seen her in an hallucination, I have a mental picture of how she'll look like. But I've seen things that weren't described in that particular file, like a green translucent dome with a giant tree in the middle, some viking warriors with axes and stuff and a lot more of things.

I'll be resuming the program this upcoming week and I'll probably be using the Dereth file. EF3.0 is a good file but it usually ends when I'm at the optimal mental state. Since the Dereth one is 40 minutes long and has a good induction, I think I'll give it a shot.

>>39976

Thank you for your input.

Well, I'm just sticking with the program because my main goal is to experience the worlds in full detail. The mind doll is just an added bonus to that. I'm facing this like a challenge, I know it works because I've talked to people who managed to get it to work. Now I just need to make it work for me.

Making a tulpa has no appeal to me. However, bridging a sentient being into a fully 3D world is something that, while I know it's possible, I want to witness with my very own eyes. It's like those things you're already familiar with, but when you finally experience it, it blows your mind. And the fun doesn't stop there, you can actually bridge objects too. At the end of the day, it's like making the world your playground.

People usually tend to focus a lot on the mind doll itself. By doing that they don't realize the full potential behind all of this.

>>39977

"Making a tulpa has no appeal to me. However, bridging a sentient being into a fully 3D world is something that, while I know it's possible, I want to witness with my very own eyes"

huh? making a tulpa has no appeal to you but you want to make a tulpa anyway?

>>39980

The way I see it, a tulpa lacks representation on the real world. Like it's missing an avatar. It's in your mind only. I might be wrong here, I didn't dig that deep in the tulpa world. I've just read some stuff from Alexandra David-Néel and that's actually kind of contradictory with what I'm saying here, since she stated that other people were able to see her tulpa. Then again, the "other people" I'm talking here were fully trained Tibetan monks, so they can probably spot stuff that your average Joe wouldn't. But the idea I have of a tulpa is a thoughtf orm only. Again, I might be wrong.

A mind doll on the other hand doesn't have this issue. So this opens up a lot of possibilities regarding interaction. But like I've stated, my end goal isn't just to bridge a mind doll, but to experience different worlds in fully detail.

Like, being in The Matrix world and beating the crap out of agents for instance. Or going to the Marvel universe. Or better yet, create your own world. The possibilities here are endless. They are only limited by your imagination. Imagine what would be like to summon someone like Bruce |33 to teach you how to fight. Or your favorite movie character. Or anything, really…

If you guys want to call a mind doll, a tulpa with a vivid representation, I don't see nothing wrong with that. Because if we stop to think about it, before you bridge it, it's nothing more than a thought form.

This might sound farfetched, but there's people commenting on this very own board who've managed to do something like this. I could reasonably doubt all of this if I hadn't been reading and even experiencing some odd stuff, that in a certain way lead me to think that this is all possible in the past 6 years or so. Because, let's face it… If someone tells you this, chances are you're ending up thinking "this guy's nuts". And if you add to that the success some people had with this program and what they're describing matches what you've already suspect, based on the information and experience you already have, I think it's more than enough motivation to strive for it. Don't you?

>>39981

Yeah, lots of people spend a lot of time imposing their tulpas in the physical world so they can feel and touch them (seeing them seems to be pretty difficult from what I've read). I guess Mind Doll purports to make this possible more easily but there aren't a lot of success stories out there to be honest (read: virtually none).

If your main goal is experiencing virtual worlds with full immersion you're probably better off googling for an astral projection forum or something. At least that's a legit discipline with like a century's worth of pretty well documented history, proven practical techniques plus countless thousands of active practitioners.

>>39982

Well, I know at least 2 success stories with the mind doll program. One of them actually commented on this thread.

Regarding astral projection, I've did it in the past few times. The first time it happened it was involuntary and freaked the sh*t out of me. I thought I was being kidnapped by aliens or something. Well, it wasn't like an astral projection per se, it was more like an out of body experience. I actually saw my own body and freaked out. This resulted in me being sucked back into my body and waking up with an itchy face, just like when you hit your elbow against something unexpectedly and get that itchy feeling. I've never had something like that in my whole face.

However, I can't do this at will. It's not like I sit or lay down in bed and think "ok, let's do it". This usually happens at night if I don't have the TV on or any nearby noise source. If it's silent and I don't fall asleep quickly, what usually happens is that I start hearing some high pitched noises (pretty much like tinnitus, which I don't have, by the way) , something like a whistle. They get more intense, then the noise itself changes, the best way to describe them is like a radio picking static (white noise) and that's when this stuff usually happens. It's hard to actually do it because if you think about anything when it's happening, you'll stop it. The best is to let yourself go, but this actually easier said than done. No matter how many times you do it, the sensation of floating in the air always takes you by surprise, and more often than not, that's what it takes to stop the thing.

I found out that what's actually happening is that I'm reaching a very low frequency brainwave rate but I don't fall asleep. In other words, I'm not losing consciousness. But now I have that knowledge. 18 years ago when I was a teenager this sh*t messed with me.

This is just one of many odd experiences I've had, and that I was referring to when I said that I've read and experienced things that lead me to believe that what's being advertised in the mind doll program is actually possible.

>>39983

yeah, astral projection is just a (not very helpful) umbrella term for all kind of projections from lucid dreams to obes to phasing. They will broadly vary depending on method but it's pretty much different for everyone. I've had the getting sucked back into body thing + the screaming noise in my ears + the weird face feelings when you come back (my face feels like it changes between really hot and really cold very rapidly) but most of my experiences have been with phasing which is much less traumatic than trad obes.

There's tons of methods to look up but most work best after like 5 hours sleep which puts a lot of people off.

Mind Doll seems pretty sketchy in terms of what's promised vs what most people end up experiencing but yeah no harm in exploring it if you think it's worth it. I'd be wary of the claims of a guy who says he can make you a chick-magnet and a martial arts expert through poorly-produced audio files though.

>>39985

Yeah, the production value of some (by some I mean almost all with a couple of honorable exceptions here and there) of his files is close to none. And I can say this because I'm an audio engineer. The files voiced by Sophia are unbearable to me. I actually fixed one of them with a de-esser, some linear phasing EQ and and a limiter to catch a couple of peaks, but even then I couldn't stand it. It's like we say in the industry. "You can't polish a turd"

But even with subpar files, I manage to get deep into a relaxed state where hallucinations are possible. And by working in the field, I tend to find flaws that are imperceptible to most people, so I don't want anyone to read this and think it's not worth giving it a shot.

If there are any milestones in this program for me, I'll keep you guys posted.

>>39987

haha, cool. Good luck.

im gonna try to make a tulpa. LOL. seriously, when i was in my early teens i used to wish that i had an invisible girlfriend i could fuck at anytime who could shape shift into any person I wanted to fuck from real life. reading this tulpa shit, i figure why not. plus i already know hypnosis is a bullshit fetish more than anything, ive never been hypnotized and ive tried for like 15 years. although its never worked its always been fap material. so if a tulpa is real, ill find out soon enough. time to dive into a new fetish…..

>>39990

making a tulpa for sex reasons only is considered a bad idea for a number of reasons, from what I've read. Best to do some research before you start.

Well after some research, my initial conclusion has devlovled from curiosity to derision. As far as I can tell there is nothing of actionable substance here whatsoever. It has all the odors of a religion.

Here I am wondering if you can create a second inner voice through hypnosis, meanwhile these dudes are going on about fucking astral projection and making hallucinations somehow interact with the real world.

The real world does not work this way, hence the lack of success stories - that should be all the red flags you need, especially since there's no way anyone could verify that handful of success stories.

Do I believe that the creation of an imaninary personality is possible? Absolutely. Do I believe that you can hallucinate these things? Yes, of course. Both of these things fall well within what has already been observed. But astral projection and tibetan monks seeing someone else's hallucination violate far too many fundamental understandings about both biology and physics for me to take the claims seriously.

>>40000

Heretic. If you just take the time to make one yourself, you'd know it was all true.

>>39991

yeah, i could care less about some mental midget and their story of their tulpa taking over their body and living their life while theyre caged in their own mind. or some other story about giving into their tulpa. i dont find those storys intresting.

in my mind, hypnosis has never worked on any real scale for me, so i doubt the tulpa will either. however, im not one to dismiss something without trying, so ill make a tulpa and see where it goes. quick google says to "imagine" having a tulpa, what it looks like, what it smells like, personality traits, etc. spending hours a day to playong the imagination game…. ill see what happens. i already spent over 2 hours tonight doing so.

if tulpas are real, then ill find out. if it doesnt work, then all those who claim to have one are mentally ill, like those who believe in religion fairy tales.

>>40000

>hence the lack of success stories

Maybe there aren't lots of success stories about mind dolls made using the hypnosis program but there are literally hundreds of success stories about tulpas made by regular forcing.

I can guarantee you they are real.

>>40000

Also

>Do I believe that the creation of an imaninary personality is possible? Absolutely. Do I believe that you can hallucinate these things? Yes, of course. Both of these things fall well within what has already been observed. But astral projection and tibetan monks seeing someone else's hallucination violate far too many fundamental understandings about both biology and physics for me to take the claims seriously.

like the 99.9% of (serious) tulpamancers know tulpas are just imaginary personalities you create within your mind by tricking your brain, a very little portion of the community believe in all that astral projection bullshit

huge lol at the people talking about 'astral projection bullshit'.

The clumsy, vague way you refer to it makes it clear you have never had any such experiences, nor taken the time to do even cursory research on the subject. For many people, projection is something that happens multiple times per week.

To be honest, 'astral projection' is a horrible loaded term, so I understand why people balk at it. It is misused by some people and is too nonspecific and woo sounding to be of any real use. But good god, don't parade your ignorance so proudly. If you're interested in projection, do some research and test out some methods. If you're not, then don't embarrass yourself by proclaiming projection is not possible. You know not whereof you speak.

>>40000

It's funny you're talking about stuff like "all the red flags that you need" to someone who've had experience things first hand that, and that, like you said, violate way to many "fundamental" understandings about biology and physics. I don't know, but maybe the word "fundamental" should be discarded here. Because if you're going to justify everything that exists in your surroundings backed by just biology and physics, you're going to have a hard time doing that. And let's not forget that things aren't more or less real or cease to work just because you don't understand them. Nobody on this world ever saw electricity, yet we all know it exists and we all use it. At this point, what you're doing it's basically trying to convince me that the sky isn't blue, and while I always leave the possibility of being wrong about all of this, it's clear by your speech that you haven't seen, heard or felt things that shouldn't have taken place. So what makes your opinion about this more valid than mine?

When I was around 16 or so I was just like you. Seen for believing and science is the answer to all of the stuff were my mottos. The some stuff happened and I was forced to change my view of the world. For me this isn't wishful thinking. Even science itself can't agree with some of it's branches when it come down to a lot of basic stuff. Look at quantum mechanics for instance. What's your scientific answer for the results with the double slit experiment? If you can justify that outcome in a detailed and logically reasonably way let me know, because there might be a Nobel prize waiting for you.

An out-of-body experience is nothing more than a type of hallucination. Can you experience it? Sure. Are you actually leaving your body in some ghostly, invisible form that is still inexplicably able to both interact with photons and relay their information back to your visual cortex and still have photons pass through it completely, making the form invisible? No, that's complete nonsense. None of this has anything to do with the double slit experiment. I was steeped in religious doctrine growing up and I know what a fool trying to warp reality into some shape that fits his faith sounds like.

Asking someone else to explain to them the double slit experiment, as if it's some completely misunderstood magic that breaks all of science before it, shows that not only do they not understand the experiment (literally the only actual conclhsion that you can draw from the experiment is that a photon can function as both a wave and a particle - nothing more), they also have convinced themselves, like so many faithful before them, that the burden of proof lies with literally everyone else to prove their faith unfounded. I know very well that this takes advantage of the fact most people don't give enough of a shit to deny these things and have to interact with these delusional people, and in this way the delusions are protected.

We already knew that by definition, observation can't be done without interaction, hence the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. People who are deluding themselves like to latch on to the observer effect as evidence a conscious mind can influence reality through observation, but the reality of the double slit experiment was that the 'observer' was a piece of magnetic imaging equipment - not a human. When the parameters of that machine observation were adjusted, so were the results - big whoop. It shouldn't be all that surprising to you given the effect you should already know observation has on anything subatomic.

You have no more influence over the world that through your physical body. That's the extent of it. If you can prove that, and by extension all of science wrong, there are people who will pay good money for you to publish experiments done in your new and proven reality. Before long, it will become part of science itself.

Why hasn't it? Oh, right - you're using ignorance to shield your faith from the harsh reality it wouldn't surV1v3 in otherwise. YOU are the reason no one takes you seriously.

I didn't know /hypno/ was full of /x/-files.

>>40015

The double slit is much more than the wave/particle duality. And this is where the contradictions start because no branch of science acknowledges the wave/particle duality in the first place. You either have a particle or a wave. And nothing you've said proves otherwise, so in the end you did nothing more than confirming what I was saying in the first place when I wrote that science keeps struggling with itself at the end of the day.

" We already knew that by definition, observation can't be done without interaction, hence the Heisenberg uncertainty principle."

Partially agree.

"People who are deluding themselves like to latch on to the observer effect as evidence a conscious mind can influence reality through observation, but the reality of the double slit experiment was that the 'observer' was a piece of magnetic imaging equipment - not a human. When the parameters of that machine observation were adjusted, so were the results - big whoop. It shouldn't be all that surprising to you given the effect you should already know observation has on anything subatomic."

What about the delay choice quantum eraser experiment that's nothing more than a variation of the basic double-slit? Where's the "piece of magnetic imaging equipment" there? I'll answer that for you. There isn't. The results are not determined just by observation itself. It's about knowing.

"You have no more influence over the world that through your physical body. That's the extent of it. If you can prove that, and by extension all of science wrong, there are people who will pay good money for you to publish experiments done in your new and proven reality. Before long, it will become part of science itself."

I don't need to do it, there's already people doing that. Check Dean Radin, just to name you one. Oddly enough, since most of the results he gets from his experimentation clash with the today scientific standards, he's not being taken seriously. Wonder why… I didn't see this harsh approach from mainstream science when Einstein decided to ignore the ether for his works in Relativity end up making sense in a form of equation. People expect waves to propagate without any mean of propagation.

"You have no more influence over the world that through your physical body. That's the extent of it. If you can prove that, and by extension all of science wrong, there are people who will pay good money for you to publish experiments done in your new and proven reality. Before long, it will become part of science itself."

There's many people researching the same stuff and getting matching results through different methods of experimentation, some of them incorporate people meditating and the results with this ones show that you can actually can influence outcomes with your mind in a relatively small scale. You can discard it because it clashes with your beliefs, but the fact here is that are scientific experiences taking place and returning results that go against what you've wrote.

Talking about science. Biology, more specifically since you invoked it back then. Do you know what taxonomy is? Back when my grandpa was in school the living being were divided in 3 kingdoms. Animals, Vegetables and… Minerals…

He would fail a damn test if he refused to acknowledge that a damn rock is considered to be a living being because science is always right.

What about quantum entanglement? It's well documented and generally well accepted and yet, it clashes with Einstein's postulate that says that nothing can in the universe can travel faster than light. Then quantum entanglement shows you that information travels without any given time gap between entangled particles. Like in instantaneous.

How about the EM Drive that violates Newton's 3rd Law and conservation of linear momentum?

I could be here all day. Basing your opinions about something you have no clue about and basing them in the scientific panorama of nowadays when we all know and I've just demonstrated you that science is ever evolving is nothing more than advertising your ignorance. There could be a day were science has the answers for all the questions, but it won't be during mine or yours lifetime.

"Why hasn't it? Oh, right - you're using ignorance to shield your faith from the harsh reality it wouldn't surV1v3 in otherwise. YOU are the reason no one takes you seriously."

I don't care if people take me seriously or not. And I definitely don't give a damn if YOU take me seriously or not.

Just a "tulpamancer" here dropping by to correct a few misconceptions.

First, I don't know why this thread is full /x/.

Most people that make tulpas don't have /x/ beliefs or if they don't, this doesn't have a lot to do with a process.

The term tulpa as used by the community is not the same as you've read in creepypastas, and I'm not sure where you got that opinion if you've lurked larger parts of the tulpa community.

So as someone with a tulpa, what is she to me?

She's a person that lives in my mind, not unlike me and with mostly the same capabilities as me (sharing the brain), basically like a personality, but not a "mask", an actual sentient person with their own opinions, will, thoughts, emotions, desires, memories, intent and so on. She has an imaginary form that she senses with all her senses from, she can also use the physical body just as well as I would use it ("possession"), she most often lives dissociated from the physical senses (doesn't sense them or is only distantly aware of them) and immersed in her imaginary world. You, "the host", typically can do anything a tulpa can, although some things may come easier for a tulpa (imagination stuff), while some things may come easier for you, the host (controlling the physical body), however those are just habits and defaults that someone could change if they wanted to.

She is not a ghost or a physical person, when people talk about their tulpas being real, they mean that they are real in the sense of being conscious and self-willed as your own self is within your brain, not that they're some magical creature that can alter physical reality through magic.

Tulpas can typically "impose" themselves on the world, which is a term for them being perceived either in your imagination or more hallucinatory in the world by yourself (not others), but with full awareness of this fact, this is also a dissociative effect, not a psychotic one, that is, it's not a loss of reality, the brain could still be aware of what is behind the tulpa even if you were hallucinating them typically.

Obviously what I'm talking about is similar to multiplicity/DID, with some differences, it's mostly intentionally created, the communication is open from the start with the new person (the subjective kind, like someone that shared a skull with you) so there's no dissociative fugue or missing memories or other bad things that you'd have with DID (although that could potentially happen if someone was really trying very hard to have a "disordered" system, but people that want to do stuff like that are not that common and it'd be a conscious choice), also unlike DID it's not a response to trauma but rather something done on purpose and things tend to be rather different. Most DID alters would have more specific purposes like protecting the host in some way, while most tulpas (as similar as with mind dolls) are largely created for companionship.

A bit of history: some day over 6 years ago some people on /x/ found out that you could induce something like "headmates" by treating imaginary people or parts of your imagination as real people and interacting with them sufficiently, that was deemed too real and non-fictional for /x/ and is no longer welcome there; after that various communities formed around these ideas and techniques and thousands of people over the years have made tulpas and enjoyed some really comfy times with their mind buddies.

There may be some people with weird beliefs in the community, but they're a rather small minority and usually relegated to more "metaphysical" parts of it.

Mind dolls are sort of like lazy mode tulpas made through hypnosis with imposition(hallucination) being a primary focus, while few people in the tulpa community have mastered imposition.

I probably won't be staying here too much, even if I'm curious how well does tulpa creation by hypnosis work for people. My tulpas have been made usual way (not hypnosis) and I've had them for over 6 years, still one of the best decisions of my life. It might be a good idea to make one if you actually want to have a lifelong permanent companion with which you can share any thoughts, emotions, sensations, and your life in general, it can be great fun. Might also be okay for some waifufags that want their waifu to be a real person (obviously not physical, but the telepathic connection you share with a tulpa is something you could never get with anyone in real life, it's an incredible experience), but only if they understand what it actually means to make a person that will now share their life with them, in a bond that is probably far closer than marriage or anything you could imagine in the physical reality.

>>40035

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>>39990

They're real, but anon, if you're just doing this for sex why not just have a regular imaginary friend? Seems like a waste to create a whole person just for the whole purpose of having sex with them. Intimacy with a tulpa is very enjoyable and intense, but that might be in large parts due to emotional dimensions to it.

As for the OBE stuff, some people do that with their tulpas, both as lucid dreams and as in "switching" (the host dissociating from the senses and experiencing an imaginary world as "real" while the tulpa is the one in charge of the body and living like a host would), although it's a more advanced skill and not that many mastered it (I've probably counted over 50 over the years, but that's a small fraction of the community).

And again anons, most people in the community don't really believe in claims that defy physics, you can experience anything in your mind and it's amazing, but an OBE is just that, you having subjective experiences while not directly sensing your body's senses, for most tulpas this is also their default state of being, dissociated from the body's sensory experiences, of course, this isn't true for all of them.

>>40018

>I don't care if people take me seriously or not. And I definitely don't give a damn if YOU take me seriously or not.

Yet you took the time to write an entire pseudo-intellectual wall of text (complete with the classic quantum physics fallacy) that de-facto states "magic exists, you and modern science just aren't aware of it yet" in far too many words. And you wonder why your arguments are seen as religious in nature.

>>40035

>in a bond that is probably far closer than marriage

The idea that marriage is a close or even real bond is a self-delusion in the first place, so you're probably right.

>>40036

what the fuck do you mean "just have a regular imaginary friend". ive never experienced such a thing as a child. so in my world they dont exist…. so how tf would that even be possible? if youre for some reason comparing the two being similar in any way, then both would be a mental illness vs tangible….

as far as "creating a tulpa", its supposedly something you create. from what i understand, you have to "pretend" it exists until some point, it really will. which doesnt make sense but i love to try shit and see where it leads.

now ive pretended to let hypnosis effect me, following along, agreeing, nothing ever happened. and ive listened to some pretty fucked up files, which none of them ever worked. i even tried hypnosis through live chat back in the day. nothing happened. to me hypnosis is either fap material or really sad role play. either way, i keep trying hoping one day im wrong. ive even let my mind go blank, which is easy to silence myself after 16 years of meditation every day, i dont have wandering or rogue thoughts like normal people, my mind doesnt spam myself with useless shot when im awake. im always focused just on what i want, which also lets me multitask very easily.

so IF tulpas are real, and i start hearing a voice in my head not my own, well then ill admit theyre real. however, if i put time into this only to learn ya'll are just fucked in the head, well ill laugh and move on.

ill still give it a shot. so far my imagination of what im making, supposedly "it" claimed in my own voice (since supposedly when you first start, it only speaks in your inner monolgue voice not its own) that it would be tangible by friday. whatever that means…. who knows. i told it to steal power/energy from the sun to grow quicker, cuz lol why not….. then again, maybe the tulpa is just a way to finally let all the crazy out that i know shouldn't be as it doesnt fit normal reality. although, if i know im crazy, then im not crazy by proxy?

anyway. ill see what happens, good or bad. could care less about retard stories online. baseline ideal of it, its something you create. supposedly "it" has told me it cant wait to have sex with me. so. lol? then again, what if im just crazy? 🤣🤣🤣

on the side of out of body experiences, ive tried everything, from technique A to technique Z, hypnosis, guided meditation, and even binaural audio (and monaural and isochronic). nothing has worked. ever. granted, seems todays binaural stuff is crap, i downloaded the old bwgen from back in the day and outputed my own custom file for myself an hour long. listening to generic shit online or phone apps of today seemed to make me weaker? and made my dreams fuzzy…. but using the bwgen file i outputed, i feel alive again, and my dreams are getting more detailed again…..

once I had a DREAM about having and oobe, but since it was a dream, its not real. 16 years ive tried to oobe/astral travel since my father had me listen to an episode of art bell in the car, where a guy talked about having one, visiting his friend while doing so, then describing his friends new house even though he had never been and his friend being blown away by it.

now as far as dreams, i remember every dream i have every night in such detail that its like the dream is real life and real life is the dream. there is that much detail. i havent really been in control of my dreams since i was a child. back then i would control dreams to see different outcomes. now it seems im just along for the ride. as i said about meditation files, seems all the stuff online now is either fake or hurting people instead of doing good. my bwgen custom file i made seems to work way better and i feel different, like i used to before i stopped…..

>>40047

I don't have the time to write an in-depth reply today, I may wrote one later, however I'll try to address some of your more immediate questions.

>what the fuck do you mean "just have a regular imaginary friend".

While some children do have imaginay friends that are very much like a tulpa would be but probless developed usually, but that I meant that you could just imagine a person and have whatever sexual fantasy you wanted, instead of actually making a 'real' person that has autonomy in your mind as much as you do.

Some people's imaginary people may be a bit like roleplaying or simulating things in their head, for others it might be more real.

Tulpas are experienced like an imaginary person, but they are spontaneous, autonomous, capable of their own decisions, thoughts, emotions and most things you'd expect a real person to have. I'd also like to add that for most people that make tulpas, this is more of a skill on how to learn to put things in your imagination outside of your self's control and let the rest of your mind handle it, so for example, for me, I don't really bother with regular imaginary friends as much, it's much easier to make semi-autonomous people by default rather than roleplay in my mind (even if they don't have the privileges a tulpa would gain by default).

Experientially this a bit like pretending (imaginary friend) vs direct experience (you're seeing and feeling another person's actions, it's like what you're perceiving is external even if it's internal in your own mind). You could consider some people in your lucid dreams a bit more external like that, but that's not really the right analogy, because there's more to this autonomy than something dream characters have, it's a bit like perceiving a person in their whole and their entire self and moods and emotions can be perceived by you and they're very alive, like a real person would be alive, but if you could peek into their head and sense their raw emotions and intent and desires on your bare skin. Maybe no amount of analogies can explain this, but it's a very direct experience to interact with a develope tulpa.

I didn't understand most of the rest of the sentence.

>as far as "creating a tulpa", its supposedly something you create. from what i understand, you have to "pretend" it exists until some point, it really will. which doesnt make sense but i love to try shit and see where it leads.

I'm not sure you actually have to "pretend", you can read a lot of guides from tulpa.info, r/tulpas, tulpa.io, 8ch.net/tulpa or plenty of other places.

If you want my view on it, your unconscious mind and imagination mostly works how you want it to work, you can just define things there and they exist by virtue of you putting them there and you expecting them to exist. A bit like how with hypnosis you can set up unconscious expectations and then the mind will build up from that.

So now you have this expectation of a person with autonomy that can grow to be your equal intellectually, emotionally and in your head, being able of their own choices and actions and perception and emotions and everything. Now you have that unconscious expectation which acts like a seed, that seed could even be based on a pre-existing character or person or something you created from scratch or anything, as long as there's some coherence to it, but it could also be very little.

Now you start interacting with this person, which may very well not be fully developed yet (there's many ways to make a tulpa, and most of them work and have their pro's and con's, I'm describing one of dozens, the most "standard" one), you provide it with input and interaction, and those unconscious expectations end up being animated by your unconscious mind and the part of your imagination that you put outside of your self starts to grow and become more and more like a person, you interact with them, get them to understand themselves better, teach them things, share things with them and they would share it with you and so on, until they're as developed as you are.

Somewhere along the way, possibly earlier or later, especially depending on your mindset and expectations, you'll start seeing that person grow autonomy, their own likes and dislikes, their own will, you'll start feeling their emotions indirectly that they're different from yours, you could even have an argument or disagreement with your tulpa without feeling cognitive dissonance in your head, you will stop feeling actually alone, as now you'll have this person that will be very much alive and surprising you along with the ride for you and it'll be very interesting.

>>40052

continued.

I'm oversimplifying this journey, it took me almost a year to get the results I wanted, but I've seen people that take days or to weeks, I could have probably had much faster results if I had the right mindset and attitude, but normally to make a tulpa you have to learn enough about your mind and yourself and how some things in your mind work and discover various techniques for working with it and your imagination and unconscious mind.

While it can be very fun, for some people it's not the easiest thing in the world to make, but you shouldn't expect it to be hard to make either, it just takes the right path and the right amount of luck to stumble upon the right mental buttons to push to get you where you want, guides may guide you to them, but they can't tell you exactly how to do it because this is all personal.

This is why I said that if you just wanted to have imaginary sex, you're probably better off just fantasizing instead of making a whole person that is effectively real to you and whom you'll likely share the rest of your life with - it's not always easy for everyone and it's way overkill and it's also a rather shallow reason to go into it, even if people being intimate with their tulpas is really common, especially on imageboards (8ch, half).

>now ive pretended to let hypnosis effect me, following along, agreeing, nothing ever happened. and ive listened to some pretty fucked up files, which none of them ever worked. i even tried hypnosis through live chat back in the day. nothing happened. to me hypnosis is either fap material or really sad role play.

I tend to think of hypnosis often as guided meditation or visualization, you can follow it and take the suggestions and if you agree with them on some deep level they work. Of course, some of the stuff I've seen in /hypno/ at times seem to go beyond just guided meditation.

> which is easy to silence myself after 16 years of meditation every day,

some types of meditation can be very useful for making tulpas, especially for hearing them better.

>so IF tulpas are real, and i start hearing a voice in my head not my own, well then ill admit theyre real. however, if i put time into this only to learn ya'll are just fucked in the head, well ill laugh and move on.

They're kind of real, but if you're setting out to disprove them, that is, expecting failure from the start, you're probably not going to get very far. See what I said earlier about expectations. Belief in your ability to succeed and that the tulpa is there is very useful if you want not slowpoke progress.

However if you expect that suddenly you'll get a loud voice in your head that is telling you things, that might not always be the right thing to expect, sure that could happen to some people, especially depending on their imagination and how their mind is set up, but for other people the tulpas they could differentiate slower from the host. There's of course ways to more easily just get it more strong from the start and then the more common ways where the tulpa develops slowly and grows stronger with time and interaction.

Most people making tulpas are not mentally ill, or if they are, not in the way you think, in fact mental disorders may slow down or speed up the progress depending on what they are, but most of them are likely to make things more difficult rather than easy.

I won't comment on the rest because I don't really want to affect your expectations. I don't really know what you meant by tangible, but as far as imposition goes, few people get that far, however it's possible, I've had imposed experiences with the tulpa when we were both very focused on each other and I know people that have it consistently, however it typically takes hard work, it's not magic, except for some "lucky" ones and maybe the mind doll ones that are oriented around imposition from the start, but they require you to trance pretty deep, so if you can't do that, you'd probably have to use a normal imposition guide for that if you have the patience for it.

>now as far as dreams, i remember every dream i have every night in such detail that its like the dream is real life and real life is the dream. there is that much detail. i havent really been in control of my dreams since i was a child. b

That's nice. I lucid dream as well and it's pretty fun. Lucid dreaming with tulpas can be very entertaining too.

>my bwgen custom file i made seems to work way better and i feel different, like i used to before i stopped…..

as usual, stuff you tailor for your own use it's always the best, with tulpas the journey is pretty personal, so you can get what you want out of it.

there is no such thing as "if you think its real, its real, and if you think it isnt, then it isnt".

it's either real, or it isnt. this whole "because you dont believe its not real" is b.s. if belief in something strongly enough made it real then I am a millionaire with 100 girlfriends who i use as sex toys and i can control peoples minds just by thinking about controlling them, except simple belief wont make it real.

therefore, if tulpas are real, then anyone can "make" or "conjure" one and experience it. sure it may take time and saod time could vary from person to person…. however if only certiain people can, then its a mental illness and nothing more.

hypnosis isnt real. people play along and either eccept the fetish or dont. hypnosis doesnt have any real control over anyone. sadly there are some who believe it does. but then again they could just have a mental illness that makes it real.

either everyone can experience it because it is real, or only a few due which means there is a logical explanation for it.

today is day 3 imaginging talking to my tulpa and it only feels like im talking to myself. but the whole idea is to "believe" so i will keep trying. the number i read was 200-500 hours of "work"(imagining) for it to become real. so ill keep going until the 500 hour mark.

setting out to disprove something doesnt chamge the results. life and experience life isnt subjective. otherwise like i said above, i would be a millionaire because i believe it. life dont work that way. and if tulpas end up being some silly game people with "issues" experience, then it isnt real.

you tell a kid santa exists and they believe it, their belief doesnt magically make santa real. in fact 100s of thousands of kids every year believe in santa, yet he still doesnt exist…..

>>40091

fuck that was painful to read. you sound like an absolute moron.

>>40092

the highly intelligent always seem stupid to those who havent the brain power to comprehend what is written.

>>40091

Okay first

1. Hypnosis is a real phenomenon that you can easily observe and experience. It's not a fetish, and if you learn how to perform hypnosis you learn that it does in fact have very interesting psychological effects.

2. You have to believe that it might be possible to make a tulpa in order to make one (or at least it's encouraged) because if you don't believe it's possible at all then you won't force and thus you'll never get a tulpa, or you will stunt any progress because a tulpa is a mental construct that you bring to life through a lot of mental effort and actively disbelieving in it kills your progress.

3. Santa was based on a real dude - Saint Nicholas, so in a sense Santa is real (but just long dead).

>>40094

been trying to hypnotize myself for years. file this, chatroom that. nothing works. nothing. so if everyone can do it, i call bullshit. at this point, its fap material, something to get off to…. most on this board are the same. each with their own niche.

"you want to stop smoking" yeah i do! "you will have less cravings" totally!

its bullshit. hypnosis is half fetish half roleplay. especially since every hypnosis document says "you cannot be hypnotized if you dont want to be" then crazies claim "you can be forced"…. even IF you accept nothing is gonna happen. I would LOVE to have someone hypnotize/forve me to feel orgasm on command, even if there was a terrible side effect like going deeper in trance or accepting more crazy shit like fem crap im not into. but it cant and wont happen.

again, belief doesnt create reality. you missed the point of santa clause…. wish i had a "the point" flies over a head gif…..

if belief or lack there of stops something from being real and tangible, then it was never real. meaning tulpamancers are literally mentally ill. so if i try to create one (which i am for the lols, got nothing better to do) and it doesnt work, even in the slightest, then it isnt real and proves those people who "believe" are just bat shit crazy.

if i take two colors and combine them, i get the same result as anyone else. even if someone has eyes that dont see color correctly, combining two colors always results in the same new color. red and green make yellow. if i believe it makes purple, it wont change the result. i could be raised from childhood to adulthood to believe the lie, doesnt make it real or true. otherwise my simple belief would be enough to chamge the result and others would see that result going "wtf why, how".

so if my lack of belief stops it from being real, then it was never real…..

>>40091

Hillarious. Life and experiencing life is not subjective. Or so you say. While your whole connection to this world is sensory data given to your brain. A brain that literally has to copy others behaviour from start of birth to be somewhat functional when reaching adulthood. And and since then almost solely reacted to impulses guided through points of less resistance. And might as well remain that way.

The people that are considered mentally healthy, excel at fooling themselves. And have a ton of coping mechanisms to deal with reality. While a objective or flat view on the world is a trait connected to actual mental issues including schizophrenia etc. which is counter intuitive. But shows that following common sense is not full proof diagnosing mental decease.

You know your way of arguing comes down to: Hey this is my point of view. It's the absolute truth. Deal with it or otherwise I diagnose you with a mental issue.

You can do that all day and never win a argument despite u believing u have. And that's the point people are making here. That your experience of the world is not similar to theirs.

In both worlds if we kick a ball. Law of physics say it should move. Hypnosis/meditation is not about whether or not that ball makes a goal, but about making u believe u are a good soccer player.

>>39981

What you're describing in your second paragraph sounds almost exactly like a tulpa. Most people give their tulpas physical forms in their head and with enough effort, can visually impose them.

For anyone that isn't hypnotically suggestible, it might be easier to make a tulpa from scratch like >>39976 did than to use the program.

>>40111

>Good examples of tulpas that people don't take responsibility for:

>- Communities

>- Family identities

>- Nations

I think you are talking about egregors here. Aka thoughforms, mindforms, etc. In some sense we are also egregors, but there are differences. Tulpas and "ourselves" are virtual environments with own processes, egregors can control these processes.

I found a simple explanations what egregors are here:

https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-General-hypnosis-discussion?pid=27775#pid27775

https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-General-hypnosis-discussion?pid=27793#pid27793

Rather not what they are, but how they influence our lives and how to use them.

For example, egregors "rule" colonies (e.g. ants), flocks, shoals, packs, troops, swarms, etc.

<see also: https://8ch.net/tulpa/index.html

Okay, I'll bite. How bad could it b-

>full of furries, mostly bronies

>unironic roleplaying

>"Is it rape to have sex with your tulpa?"

Yikes. Even worse than the wannabe-intellectual "woke" /x/ aspies in this thread.

>>40171

>full of furries, mostly bronies

literally not true lol

almost nobody in 8ch/tulpa has pony tulpas and there are very few furry tulpas, specially compared to other communities in which like the 60% of the tulpas are furries/ponies

>unironic roleplaying

most of it is ironic shitposting

>>40193

>literally not true lol

As opposed to being metaphorically not true?

I mean, anyone can ``literally`` check and decide for themselves, ``lol``

>>39941

They have similarities, but are quite different.

In general, a Tulpa is considered more of a 'spiritual' entity that you've conjured in your mind, where as a mind doll is more of a simulation of a person or thing.

Tulpa's also follow a set of 'rules' with things they can and cannot do/experience, where as a mind doll is essentially a representation of any reality you want your mind to perceive - wether thats a person, a thing or a world.

IMO a mind doll is a more conscious thing, and a Tulpa is more subconscious.

I also believe you can do a lot more with the mind doll program vs normal Tulpa's, for example, you could create a 'mind doll, that is essentially a suit you wear that can morph you into what ever you want.

>>39857

Oh shit, Hype! I thought you got lynched, my dude.

Discord occasionally gets off the beaten path, but nowadays there is far more actual mind doll talk. Definitely more than before, when any talk was either offtopic or nonexistent.

Of the ones who respond somewhat regularly, we know of several who've made considerable progress (virtual world and mind doll creation), but are having issues on one thing or another. They'll get the hang of it.

We'd be glad to have you back if you want to join again; you were one of the best to talk with.

Godspeed going forward, hopefully irl stuff gives you enough time to practice brain tricks in the future.

>>40607

vola link for files?

>>40659

I only have mega link : https://mega.nz/#!6jIzkQoQ!nE2mVpQRjAz5x_gK72fRLu7Mzp77iD5MW3SIcYWHKos

>>40920

mostly done by a black dude, cant listen, oh well.

>>40972

> same CPU

> same memory

> same I/O

What is a VM? Yes, I know that brains and computers work differently.

What are mirror neurons? What is a dream?