/hypno/ - Hypnochan

So I'll start this off:

My view is that hypnosis is a placebo, however consider the following:

> You choose hypnosis to become more horny, nothing more, just more horny. And to be fair, you want to become more horny.

Wait a few weeks

> Now you really are more horny, now because you are more horny you start using a bimbofication fantasy file, not to make you permanently a bimbo, just a guided waking dream. After all you are really horny now.

Wait a few weeks

> Now it's not enough for that short amount of time, you want /MORE/ so you start on a actual bimbofication file with triggers.

Hypnosis has now made you do something you would not have done innitially.

Now I probably skipped some steps but that is the basic idea.

Definition at Wordnik:

A substance containing no medication and prescribed or given to reinforce a patient's expectation to get well.

An inactive substance or preparation used as a control in an experiment or test to determine the effectiveness of a medicinal drug.

Something of no intrinsic remedial value that is used to appease or reassure another.

None of these encompasses what hypnosis is or does. So, at best 'placebo' is a metaphor, designed to say that hypnosis only works because people want or expect it to work, which is true, but also kind of trivial. Nobody goes into trance determined to obtain no effect from the process.

I think the argument is about whether or not people are fooling themselves about hypnosis affecting them.

While even hypnotists say that 'all hypnosis is self-hypnosis', I think there is ample evidence to suggest that hypnosis is more than sheer self-delusion. Any reading of Milton Erikson, Jay Haley, Paul Watzlawick or the other practitioners of hypnotic techniques shows clearly that there is something special about the things that hypnosis can do that is not available to many other techniques (such as cognitive therapy, psychoanalysis, etc).

So, I vote no on the placebo idea.

>>38066

Perhaps I misspoke. I suppose I should rather say that the placebo effect is a form of hypnosis, not the other way around. Notable is the nocebo effect which is the effect of causing people to feel pain or other negative effects.

Isn't the human brain amazing!

The problem with all of these threads remains the same. Every single one of these "hypnosis is a placebo?" has an idea that all things hypnosis are universally the same. But they aren't.

Hypnosis and the entire genre that now falls under it is an extremely diverse culture. For example, the fad of "binaural beats" should never be taken into being the same as the brainwashing hypnosis. For the record, even the harmless for laughs hypnosis of making someone cluck like a chicken briefly counts under this category vaguelly. And even the various brainwashing hypnosis comes in many different branches as I alluded to.

If you want an analogy, think of the many branches of hypnosis like the family tree of lifeforms on earth. All of it is related to one another, but there are thousands of branches. And every one of those branches contains something that is different from the rest in either subtle or vast ways.

But even the definition of what a placebo is can not be universally agreed upon. Some people think it can simply be "all in your head", while others will insist on strict parameters to meet the definition.

Personally I believe the placebo effect to be "If I gave you a glass of dyed water and told you it was medicine that had a specific effect and you then started having that effect."

Now, going with my definition, it means that most of the binaural beats tracks are placebo since they contain 0 words and usually do not even contain a specific mood or emotion inducing music.

However, going by my definition, most of the brainwashing style of hypnosis I would not categorize as a pure placebo. In other words, most binaural beats files if the listener instead listened to 5 minutes of cows mooing with the same "deep thoughts" as they had with the binaural beats file then the results would be exactly the same. Whereas all the cow mooing in the world can not replace the effect some hypnosis tracks can give.

A skilled hypnotist is like a storyteller. They can set a mood. They can take your imagination and run wild with it. They even can make you reconsider your belief system or change how your brain responds to stimuli. The best hypnotists can actually do their work while making the subjects think that it was a failure, even while the changes really have set in,

>>38064

What u are describing is more like a slippery slope through conditioning than actual hypnosis. Like the other guy says hypnosis as part of erotic fantasy comes in many forms. A fetish can be triggered through conditioning, going through one fantasy to another is likely to awaken something. But doesn't necessarily has to be hypnosis that has effect on u. Sofar a general complaint is that the heavier stuff is simply not working. But it's likely that the persons have not acted on any triggers they were told. And just got a fetish for being feminised.

A case of hypnosis I had:

I had this roulette thing when I would randomly pick a random file. I picked a somewhat nameless file from mzd. I went incredible deep. Swirling, extreme mind silence, blackouts and everything. Ever since then I had a shy bladder(5+ years now). When I was on the bus soon after the session, I heard a external voice say push softly and I had to restrain myself from peeing. I recognised the voice and looked up the file and noticed it was called project piss. Called Project.mp3 on my pc unfortunately ( otherwise I would have skipped it…maybe). I thought perhaps stress put it on or a decease and had the bladder tested(nothing). It started 3 days after listening to the file. But actually consciously hearing the trigger was that one time and it almost did the trick. After relistening the file it found it played well into me. It had a good induction, it prayed on the fantasy of losing control( my weakness), gave some behavior suggestions that could cause a shy bladder and played it on stress behavior we already have. And installed a trigger that semi-worked after 1 session. The actual effect to pee myself however didn't work. Maybe it's all a coincidence.

If the effect is real people would call actual hypnosis. But I have been doing hypno for a long time and only have around 4 files that hit me like this. Recently those pop files hit me hard. That makes maybe 5 now.

As for placebo-ish effect. My question is does it matter? Because even in my case it's clearly similar to placebo to a skeptical person. But isn't the effect the same as if it was hypnosis. So what's the discussion? Hypnosis only works if you are suggestable? Thats something we kind of knew already.