/hypno/ - Hypnochan

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>>32201

>How much would you be willing to spend to hire an actual NLP/ hypnosis/ psychology professional in order to experience your wildest dreams?

$0. (Yes, I'm being serious)

>>32201

If your aim is to make money, you're better off doing custom TTS files on the internet and helping middle managers quit smoking in real life.

If you're interested in hypnotic domination for sexual reasons, then best not to try to mix business with pleasure.

>>32244

…To elaborate.

First, not many people are going to be willing to drop money on a hypnotist whose skill level they don't know, which means you need an internet portfolio of audio files anyway.

Second, you would need to emphasise a few topics you want to focus on. Nobody wants to take their strange sexual fantasies to someone they don't know will be sympathetic.

Third, for the second reason, many people prefer the distance that audio files and especially TTS audio files create between the subject and the hypnotist. I don't know anything about K31, the person, and they don't know anything about me, and that is the way I like it. The weirder the sexual fantasies, the stronger the desire for anonymity and distance.

Then there are practical considerations, such as certain fetishists being very widely scattered. I'd be surprised if half this board lived in the US, and even the US is a big place. It's not as if the Kaa people or the Blueberry Expansion people have their own nightclubs in San Francisco.

>>32245

I wrote this thinking you were talking about physical hypnosis sessions, but most of it applies if you are talking about live audio or videochat feeds.

Those would also make the subject think about scheduling the session and about how many minutes they are clocking up.

This is not an improvement compared to the total absence of pressure with audio files, which most of the community is used to. Absence of time-pressure is pretty important for achieving trance.

If you're curious about the phone sex model (this is kind of the territory you're getting into) you might want to look at what niteflirt.com is doing. I expect their prices are only viable because most sessions only last as long as it takes for their caller to ejaculate.

>>32243

$0 sounds about right, seeing as OP is a "professional" at pseudoscience. NLP and hypnotherapy are bunk, so you've really got no more qualification than any of the shit-tier camgirls who are taking over this fetish.

Is hypno/domination a fetish of yours (or something you enjoy)? If so, then you might be able to carve a career out of this (e.g. MzD0m1n1c4), or produce files out of enjoyment and get some extra income and build a rapport with a few devotees (which is generally what happens).

On the other hand, if you're apathetic and think this might just be a good business venture, then you're not gonna get far. Most people here just want to fap and will pirate your files.

>>32201

Perhaps consider why you come here asking us how much we'd be willing to pay.

You know where you are right?

If you're after advice, genuinely people here are experienced in the genre and absolutely will have advice you will find useful.

However, for an unknown quantity with no samples and no testimonies from people we recognize, the figure will almost exclusively be $0.

You have to build rapport with such a small community, nobody trusts you yet.

Also, don't forget - we DO have access to quite a number of nlp/hypnosis professionals in the scene already. You wouldn't be breaking new ground.

With that said, I genuinely wish you luck and I hope your plans work out.

this will be incredibly lucrative in the future

>>32287

That's my thinking. I don't know the niche though, I'm just a marketing/ product creation guy.

I'd have to actually hire some hypnotists, put everything together, and then find a way to market this to a wider audience.

I'm thinking keeping things slow at first, say, three or four hypnotists, on a male/female dom/switch grid, and then market that.

I was thinking $50-60/h ($0.80-1/min) would be a fair starting point?

>>32308

You're marketing what, exactly?

Have you ever had a job? You generally apply for specific positions. You don't just turn up and say "I can do whatever."

"I can do whatever" hypnosis will get you $0 per minute as an ending point.

Unless of course you're an attractive woman, or hire one. And if you hire one, what's to stop her just doing freelance phone sex? It's not your half-assed choose-your-own-adventure scripts that would get her her audience, and you're kidding yourself if you think she wouldn't know that from the outset.

>>32316

>I don't want to alarm you OP, but you might actually be retarded. You'll wanna get that checked out.

No offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

>You come into a niche that you have no knowledge of whatsoever, with no applicable skills, and seriously think you can make a lucrative career out of it?

As I said, I'm a marketer. It's not my job to actually work - it's my job to make sure others have work to do, and get paid a portion of the opportunity cost.

This wouldn't be the first project of the kind I've done, however it would be the first in the hypnosis niche. Thus my question.

>Why would any hypnotist work with you when they could just set up their own venture and not have to split profits?

Because basically all hypnotists are absolute shite at marketing and sales, for one?

And as mentioned, opportunity cost.

If you can make $100/h and do, let's say, 10 hours of work a week, plus another 20 of unpaid work on your own marketing, you make $1k/wk. Which isn't great.

Or, you can outsource marketing/ sales on a 20% commission, and get 20 hours of actual, paid work in. That's 50% more weekly income while working 33% less.

Obviously we'd also have to account that few salespeople/ marketers would work solely on commission - usually there's some sort of upfront fee involved, however for the sake of this discussion we can skip that, as I'd be covering marketing and sales costs out of pocket.

>>32201

>>32322

>No idea what you are talking about

It's an unusual tactic to conduct your industry focus group for a potential paid service on a bunch of filesharing pirates in the deep web. This has led your audience to doubt your sincerity and your practical wisdom.

For another example of extremely horrible marketing, check out Bob with Hypnofantasy. It's like everything that could go wrong with what you're trying to do is wrapped up in one neat case study of sketchy, cheesy bullshitting.

>It's not my job to actually work

kek. I bet you refer to yourself as an entrepreneur too.

>all hypnotists are absolute shite at marketing and sales

You have proof for this claim? Some of them seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. Sites like niteflirt, iwantclips, and clips4sale are already providing tists with a lot of what you're proposing.

And remember, this is a niche. Who are you even planning on marketing to? The general public won't care. And anyone who's interest does happen to be piqued by your ads (or whatever the fuck you're planning) will then search "erotic hypnosis" and realise there are tonnes of cheaper alternatives, which have the added bonus of being made by people who actually give a shit about the fetish rather than people you've hired.

>>32324

>It's an unusual tactic to conduct your industry focus group for a potential paid service on a bunch of filesharing pirates in the deep web.

This would be the toughest customers, no doubt about it. But then, a live chat/ skype session can't be pirated.

>For another example of extremely horrible marketing, check out Bob with Hypnofantasy. It's like everything that could go wrong with what you're trying to do is wrapped up in one neat case study of sketchy, cheesy bullshitting.

I'm well aware of the guy. Actually part of the reason why I said hypnotists have horrible marketing.

Others are Ron Eslinger, Roy Hunter, OMNI Hypnosis Training Center, Ines Simpson, Jorgen Rasmussen, and basically all other hypnotherapists with the exception of a small handful (McKenna comes to mind, and some stage hypnotists).

>>32325

>Sites like niteflirt, iwantclips, and clips4sale are already providing tists with a lot of what you're proposing.

Good point. However, they lack the positioning, which is a massive factor. Not to mention, trained staff.

>Who are you even planning on marketing to?

Escapists first and foremost. People who want an out. Something new, that would help them forget about their daily lives for a while.

Secondly… I'm not sure, really. We'd have to do more market research to arrive at any hard conclusions.

I'm pretty sure we'd get decent conversions from cold traffic, given the rather blatant uniqueness of the service.

>The general public won't care.

You'd be surprised.

>And anyone who's interest does happen to be piqued by your ads (or whatever the fuck you're planning) will then search "erotic hypnosis" and realise there are tonnes of cheaper alternatives, which have the added bonus of being made by people who actually give a shit about the fetish rather than people you've hired.

Cheaper alternatives being pre-recorded fetish mp3's that are meant to manifest the author's wishes, rather than satisfy the subject's desires?

You're completely missing the point, bud. The point isn't to compete with all the amateurs out there. It's to build a premium alternative.

>>32326

What the fuck? Hypnosis isn't another product you can hustle a quick buck out of.

Marketing and sales are irrelevant here. The best marketing any domme can get in this field is free leaks. Whatever "premium" grading you're trying to shit out will never have the appeal of just pasting a vola link on this site or uploading a seedy, low-quality, improperly-named video that doesn't even give the domme's name.

Ch4r|0tt3 Grey released her entire portfolio when she retired and 3||3ch3my came here a while back to state she doesn't care about peer-to-peer. Marketing doesn't mean shit here. Releasing a file for free and letting it speak for itself does.

I'm guessing you came here because you tried proposing this to a domme and got ripped in half. They know their audience intimately in every sense of the word. They don't need you to come in and pitch watered-down recordings that have been made before.

Maybe you should join a nice pyramid scheme, bud. They're built for inferiority-complexes like you who want to talk out of their ass and be worshiped for it.

It depends on the hypnotist. There's only a handful of hypnotists I would pay money for a live session. I would pay in the order of around $100 an hour. But if you're not one of those hypnotists, don't expect much. You should have a decent fanbase of your recordings before you try offering live services. Or you could always try the niteflirt/chaturbate stuff.

>>32326

>The point isn't to compete with all the amateurs out there. It's to build a premium alternative.

Hypnosis/NLP is pseudoscience, so there's no such thing as a "professional" or an "amateur". It "works" because people want it to work and are willing to go along with it, not because some "professional" took a six week evening course in bullshit and has a worthless diploma to prove it.

If I really want to believe some camgirl can swing a pendant for 15 seconds and say sleep and have me completely under her control, then it'll happen, and will have every bit as much power as your "professionals."

>pre-recorded fetish mp3's that are meant to manifest the author's wishes, rather than satisfy the subject's desires

There are lots of dommes who offer custom videos and mp3s.

A bigger question is: why the fuck would I ever use your service? You're clearly in it for the money, and seem to be planning on hiring tists who don't particularly care that much about the fetish either.

So why would I go to you when I could get a file from (or a live session with) "an amateur" as you'd say. At least I'd know she's probably into the hypno fetish (or at least domination). That's not to say that money doesn't motivate a lot of these tists too, but knowing they actually give a shit about what they're doing is important if you want any of this to go beyond throwaway fap material.

For example, I think M@d@m3 V10l3t is a money grubbing bitch with a superiority complex, and while I'll happily fap to her files (and go along with the fantasy for the sake of said fap), I'd never give her a cent of my money.

On the other hand, I think M15tr355 Z@1da genuinely enjoys hypno-domination, puts a lot of effort into her work, and has been extremely affable and down-to-earth on the handful of occasions I've been in contact with her. As a result, I've bought a lot of her files (despite it being freely available here) because I want to support her work and would like to see her make more.

What you're suggesting here fits into the former category. Low-effort, money-grubbing.

>>32328

Preach!

>>32337

>On the other hand, I think M15tr355 Z@1da genuinely enjoys hypno-domination, puts a lot of effort into her work, and has been extremely affable and down-to-earth on the handful of occasions I've been in contact with her. As a result, I've bought a lot of her files (despite it being freely available here) because I want to support her work and would like to see her make more.

I think this is a common sentiment. People like to support hypnotists they appreciate and pirate the ones who only tick the boxes.

The patreon model is probably the way to go for the right balance between engagement with the community and paying the rent. K31 literally makes enough on patreon to pay rent, at least for a nice-but-modest place.

OP would not know how to engage with the community, because he is approaching them like he wants to snatch their purse and run.

This is delusional. You can't write for a fetish without becoming deeply engaged with it. If you have disgust for it, you will throw together surface level bullshit quickly and lazily so that you can escape it as soon as possible. OP overestimates his own intelligence and sangfroid.

OP, since you are so smart and in control, could you please slap together a 5 minute script for learning to enjoy pissing in an erotic way?

After all, it's so easy, and you're totally able to do it because you're smart, even though you're not a pervert of any kind and just want their money because you're a sharp, cynical dude who can do whatever.

>>32328

>Hypnosis isn't another product you can hustle a quick buck out of.

Who's talking about quick bucks?

I don't think you understand the $20k+ investment necessary to get such a project off the ground in the first place.

>Whatever "premium" grading you're trying to shit out will never have the appeal of just pasting a vola link on this site or uploading a seedy, low-quality, improperly-named video that doesn't even give the domme's name.

That only tells me that the vast majority of present consumers lack a reference point and/or suffer from depression.

>Marketing doesn't mean shit here. Releasing a file for free and letting it speak for itself does.

So you're saying there's no place at all for live sessions here?

>I'm guessing you came here because you tried proposing this to a domme and got ripped in half.

No, actually. I came here because I saw just how shit their marketing is, and how basically *no hypnotists* in this niche are making a living.

>They know their audience intimately in every sense of the word. They don't need you to come in and pitch watered-down recordings that have been made before.

Ah, my bad. I thought I was talking to people who finished grade school. Reading comprehension, bud. Live sessions, not recordings.

I'd put down money to get this moving, get marketing in place, get advertising on existing as well as new communities, and recoup my investment by sharing in the profits.

>Maybe you should join a nice pyramid scheme, bud. They're built for inferiority-complexes like you who want to talk out of their ass and be worshiped for it.

Inferiority complexes? What?

Did you bump your head?

>>32331

Thanks.

>>32337

>Hypnosis/NLP is pseudoscience,

That doesn't appear to be the case with hypnosis, at least looking at wikipedia.

>so there's no such thing as a "professional" or an "amateur".

Yes, there is. There's professional video game players, and somehow the question of whether video games are science or pseudoscience never arises (protip: they're essentially playing pretend).

>If I really want to believe some camgirl can swing a pendant for 15 seconds and say sleep and have me completely under her control, then it'll happen, and will have every bit as much power as your "professionals."

All the better for me, then. Won't have to spend as much money finding people who know what they're doing.. but I probably should do that regardless.

>A bigger question is: why the fuck would I ever use your service? You're clearly in it for the money, and seem to be planning on hiring tists who don't particularly care that much about the fetish either.

I'm in it for the cash, that much is true.

Hypnotists would be in it for the money, too.

Nimja has been making recordings for a few years now that I've seen, and doesn't even make minimum wage from his stuff.

Subjects would also have a much clearer selection of whom they want to work with (a'la Oranum, again) - with personal bios written by the hypnotists themselves, sample recordings, etc.

The core idea would be to centralize and facilitate communication between hypnotists and subjects, as well as introduce the idea of erotic hypnosis to the wider community.

>but knowing they actually give a shit about what they're doing is important if you want any of this to go beyond throwaway fap material.

That would depend on the individual hypnotist - I can't make them give a shit, but if they do, all the merrier.

At the end of the day though, I'd love if several things happened:

- Hypnotists were educated and able to deliver on a wide variety of fantasies/ fetishes. (I.e. were able to take a step back in their head and make sure subjects have a good time without imposing their own preconceptions)

- Subjects had a number of ways to benefit (some sort of satisfaction guarantee, kickback systems, affiliate deals, loyalty promotions, discounts, etc)

- I made my investment back with a decent profit.

>What you're suggesting here fits into the former category. Low-effort, money-grubbing.

Well, you have to look at it on several levels. For me personally, yeah, that'd be a business venture.

For the hypnotists involved, it could be a way of offering premium services to their supporters/ fans and introduce new people to the kink on a 1-on-1 basis.

C.D.

C.D.

For subjects, it would be a safe space where they can let go and experience anything they want to, with iron-clad guarantees and systems in place to prevent and resolve issues such as these:

https://www.reddit.com/r/hypnosis/comments/7f68sd/tricked_by_erotic_hypnotist_please_help/

(Yeah it's leddit, deal with it)

Sure, most people won't feel these necessary, yet it would grant me a massive advantage in terms of sales.

Something along the lines of…

"100% satisfaction or your money back, guaranteed! This includes:

- If you don't experience hypnosis, your money back!

- If you don't satisfy your kink, your money back!

- If the hypnotist turns out to be an asshole, we'll pay for all therapy costs!"

Or something along those lines.

I'm quite ignorant on hypnosis, but… I sense a ton of business potential here, and it'd be a shame to waste it.

>>32358

>OP would not know how to engage with the community, because he is approaching them like he wants to snatch their purse and run.

Meh?

I can't say I'm interested in the service itself, rather, in it being a viable service to faciliate.

>You can't write for a fetish without becoming deeply engaged with it.

Pretty sure you can. People write fanfics on commission all the time.

>OP, since you are so smart and in control, could you please slap together a 5 minute script for learning to enjoy pissing in an erotic way?

A) I'm not a hypnotist.

B) Why would I even attempt to write a script without getting paid for it?

>After all, it's so easy, and you're totally able to do it because you're smart, even though you're not a pervert of any kind and just want their money because you're a sharp, cynical dude who can do whatever.

Well, that's how Bob gets money. Everything he does is outsourced, he just slaps it together and calls it a day.

OP, hypnotists do not need to appeal to a wider audience.

K31 produces feminisation hypnosis. This is because they are into feminisation and hypnosis. People who are into feminisation and also into hypnosis listen to their files.

It's a match made in heaven. This is usually the case in the hypno community.

Hypnotists start as fetishists with an interest in hypnosis, then start producing files for fetishists with an interest in hypnosis.

What fetishes do you have or understand, OP?

As it stands the only skill you have is ritualistically saying numbers in the hope that they will result in cash.

Maybe you could write some "Attract Money" hypnosis; that certainly seems to be your level of wishful thinking. In fact, you could say that's your special fetish.

You could viably facilitate wishful thinking on a professional basis, and help people experience their wildest dreams of gainful employment.

>>32364

Nah, the financial niche is super-competitive.

I'm aiming much lower.

>>32363

>People write fanfics on commission all the time.

Fanfic writers write fanfics on commission all the time.

>B) Why would I even attempt to write a script without getting paid for it?

Kindle novelists routinely write series where the first book is free to create interest in the rest of the series, which comes at a price.

Drug dealers often offer free samples.

Of course, you're way more tough and cynical than a drug dealer.

>>32365

>I'm aiming much lower.

You can say that again.

>somehow the question of whether video games are science or pseudoscience never arises

OP's either a complete fucking retard or a master troll.

If you're the former, then go for it OP. Invest that $20k+ (fucking lol, btw) and let us know how it goes. You clearly don't care about any of the negative feedback or scientific facts that you're getting here, so go for it. You deserve any financial losses you incur.

>>32326

>But then, a live chat/ skype session can't be pirated.

Now it's official, you really are retarded. Any content produced by a computer will be pirated. Just stop, you are in way over your head and have no clue what you're talking about.

>>32328

>The best marketing any domme can get in this field is free leaks

This. I wouldn't know about most hypnotists if a few of their files I liked hadn't leaked. If the ones leaked were good enough, I even might be apt to buy one or two from said author.