/hydrus/ - Hydrus Network

I'm just as autistic as you, anon. In the end, I gave up with the PTR and made by own tagging scheme. With PTR, my autism runs wild and I end up tagging things that I would never search for and don't care about.

My suggestion is to split the PTR into tag packages. If you care about hair color, you'd enable the hair color package. Ditto that for shit like species or sexuality (I am straight and I don't need "straight" tags because all my content is straight.)

I'd use a blacklist, but I also have disagreements with how items are tagged.

I think most of my tags are for personal usage, but I dont mind helping putting stuff that I think people might look for. I am just wondering stuff like "why there is a face\siterip\filename" tag, and wondered what the community thought of it.

>>4150

>filename:

>useless

Haha no. It's for Board Watcher tabs, when you check "import filename" or whatever. It adds it with the filename: predicate so you can easily see that that's what the file was called when downloaded, and it's also in a predictable place alphabetically. Don't remove pls dev.

Yuri =~ lesbian but the waps and weebs are sort of spiritualistic hipsters about that so be sure not to rustle their autism by suggesting anything of the sort, especially not with yuri because muh pure mystic love.

As for translation, I'd like to see hydrus adopt a system whereby instead of "your tag (will display as the default tag)", it has tag synonyms. The effect when searching is the same (I hope) in that searching the master tag will return all tagged as alias and with any luck searching the alias will returned all tagged as the master, but even if the backend needs a master for some reason, it would be nice if all of them just displayed as synonyms, like Gelbooru, rather than "will show up as this" with the default option on Enter just changing it to the "correct" master tag instead of even keeping the alias.

>netorare = cheating

Absolutely right and I hope this triggered a weeb, but again it's yuri 2.0, muh refinement, muh specific tropes, muh elitism.

Futa has a proper English term = transexual. A fantasy FtM transexual that looks actually like a woman or is a woman who just has switched sex organ is still a transexual, or if you want to go pure fantasy route, the English equivalent would still be the vaguer but entirely applicable "hermaphrodite". However, and I stress it one more time, never ever underestimate the autism of weebs.

But these contentions are just another reason why tag synonyms would be better than a "correct" or "default" "correction".

Loli/shota are tricky because it's untranslatable without acknowledging that it's a depiction of a child which is legally tricky and…again…triggers weebs. At this point I feel bad for the total weebs who are actually just well-adjusted people not full of autism, having to put up with it all.

I think the nicknames should stay because they're part of the character's given name in the media, it's not just about uniqueness, it's about correctness. That, or there should be separate tags for the character names and character nicknames, both with the series title in them, and they should be synonyms….that would be ideal, really.

>Some species are unecessary to me. Mammal, humanoid, fox humanoid, amphibian, equine. Why is that? We are trying to catalogue fauna and flora? Have kingdom, phylum, clade, class, order, suborder, family, genus?

Oh my sweet, sweet dear summer child, I envy your limited knowledge of furshitters, furshittery, and general anthrofagging and bestiality. Horsefuckers abound. Keep those tags or suffer through (even more) untagged furshit.

> I mean, why? Most drawing have faces, torsos, feet, hands… we need to tag everything included? Seems to be completly useless, unless that face brings a significance on the image. Which in many cases it does not. "Clouds"and "night" are also a weird tag, but I suppose there are its uses, mostly for background pictures\wallpapers.

Tags are really extremely easy to add and process on files, especially in Hydrus and boorus, and when in doubt always add more. There is really no such thing as "clutter", so any time an obvious and universally-applicable parent tag applies, it's best for it to be added in. Never use it? Cool. Maybe someone will for some reason you couldn't anticipate. Space taken up is miniscule.

>booru:

>site:

I imagine they are, or will become, auto-added like the filename: tag

Also, manually, same usefulness in predictable alphabetization and no questions about what the tag denotes if it's not obvious from the format.

>>4182

Thank you for your input.

I wont erase any tags (although it tempts me), I am just curious why some people add those. I dont see the usefulness of a FACE tag, is someone REALLY going to search images on his *entire* library looking for that? Clutter does exist to me, when browsing a image I have, sometimes I look at the tags to see if I can learn a interesting one to add to another files (and future searches), having things like "downloading""siterip" just makes looking takes more time, but I suppose thats first world problems. But sure I could just blacklist those things. Still I am curious to what people think.

On the case of overwatch, most of media states their nicknames only, I think the correctness would be the full name to avoid confusion, name "nickname" last name seems weird to me, out of place. Your idea of having a sibling of nickname (series) and full name is good, and I could do that, although I dont think the full name should have a series appended. Whats your reasoning?

Oh I have found a way to add tags to color. You go to "file>option" then "colours" write down the namespace you wish and press enter then it shows up for you to edit. Without a "add" button I assumed you couldnt do it.

Still, I think that by default the namespace "person" should be the same as character.

>>4182

I disagree on the subject of yuri of futa. As far as most of us are concerned, yuri is always used in reference to anime, hence 2d, whereas lesbien is used more commonly with 3 or western art. It would easier to simply leave it as is with that definition in mind.

In regards to futa, I wouldn't necessarily say that it equates to trans. As autistic as it sounds, trans is someone who's delusional and is either dressing up as or mutilating themselves to pretend to be the other gender. But in made up fantasy "I'm a retarded autist and I say that anything goes" land of fantasy and 2d drawings it's just a description of a chick who somehow or other has a dick. If you want to call that hermaphrodite then I guess that's fair, although that label still has a significantly different connotation. If anything your definition would apply to newhalfs instead of futas because as I understand it they pretty much are the anime equivalent of traps, a female body yet no female sex organs, having male ones instead.

In regards to loli, that's not always referring to little girls since it's sometimes extended to just be a body type. Apparently japan has some concept of a "true loli" vs. not true loli to handle this distinction but I really wish the two terms could be split entirely.

>>4183

No, but they may look for "red_hair third_nipple face", or whatever, just looking for their specific thing that also for sure has to have a face in it. Practically we'll probably never tag all of our other pics with faces haha, but it can't hurt. By all means if you want to delete tags on your own thing feel free, I'm just saying there is some theoretical use.

>>4185

I get what you're saying, but all of that could be solved with an "anime" tag which these thing should all have anyways. I'm extremely familiar with the /d/-think on futa. Hermaphrodite is actually a pretty vague term that was used to describe various things back in Greek through Renaissance times…just check out the sculpture named Hermaphroditus. Also all of that is still, yeah, very autistic despite me knowing why people object to it, but we are on an imageboard.

>newhalfs

Admit at least that this is a pretty tumblr term.

It's [[[very occasionally]]] a body type thing or a stylization thing leading to incessant amounts of sweaty anons insisting all of their loli waifus were 18 or 90000000 years old and trapped in a chil…I mean a stylized adult's body. At this point separating the two like Japan does would probably cause immense rage, but it would also be kind of funny to see lolicons taking the opportunity to split the community and look down on each other.

I think I've seen too much and am dead to the world.

>>4187

I'm just saying, why go through the massive work to consolidate ex. yuri and lesbien, when you're then going to have to go back and add an anime tag. Not to mention for a number of people, an anime tag may be as redundant as species or human tags. Would you also split as "game" if that was the source? What about western cartoons, would you file those as anime?

I know the system has problems, and I get that you're trying to solve them, but the ones that were suggested weren't particularly broken anyways. It just seems like an awful lot of work for minimal result.

>Finally, what are some tags that confuses you or you think should be removed?

None, because it doesn't hurt you if there is a tag or namespace that is superfluous or you think is unnecessary. If you really can't stand seeing a specific tag then censor it. It is pointless to police the PTR like this. Too many tags isn't a problem.

The only tags that should be removed are wrong tags, or tags replaced with a namespaced or standardized tag.

>>4188

>massive work to consolidate

That's not how it works anon, a tag synonym is like one line in a settings file that causes results for both (or more) synonyms to come up when one of the synonym terms is searched. I mean there really is no work involved by design. Maybe Hydrus is structured differently and it would need to work it into one of those half-hour on-close maintenance sessions, at worst, but that's it.

I would say having anything in a game tagged as "game" or "video_game" would be massively useful, obviously, for compound searches where you want "characters from games in images tagged with x", for instance, "lesbian" + "games". I would obviously tag them as "cartoon". If I wanted a search to include both, I would add both to search, or better yet, I would do a search on both of them periodically, select all, and add the "animated" tag to all.

Maybe the problem is you don't know you can Ctrl+A results, open tags, and add a tag in that then applies to all of them by default? You could literally just search up each anime like opening a folder and mass-add the tags. Obviously you don't need to, but it would certainly make your collection more searchable for third parties. (again, in the case of people using more than one or two tags in their search, and not just looking for a series…that's what some boorus are explicitly for, after all)

I wasn't making any suggestions at all, just commenting on them, I'm not OP.

And I do want to reiterate that I wasn't suggesting anyone re-tag anything manually at all, I was suggesting tag synonym functionality (which already exists) be tweaked a little to avoid preferring one term as the "official", and supporting the notion of hydrus_dev adding a few more lines of tag synonym stuff to his tag server data.

Also, and here's an interesting thought…actually, this would be really good. Rather than synonym tags you could have sort of "cousin tags" that by default show up in searches as if identical, but can be switched off within the hydrus client so none show up. For more complex "I want some of them", the tag setup from the tag server could be edited/customized by the user as desired as (I assume) it can be now. This way, "yuri" is a cousin of "lesbian", "yuri" has "anime" as an auto parent (in the tag repo) - so, no tagging at all on the user's part, just automatic, with an option to turn off for people who don't want to share their files via servers and just want to use the client and have things "neat". "Lesbian" wouldn't have a media type parent, but that would be fine since it wouldn't be a "synonym" or "alias of" or "master term of".

So really what I'm saying is it shouldn't be any work at all for the user to have basic synonyms at least, and the PTR already has some in its own way.

>>4190

Strongly agree. "I don't think this tag is necessary" has killed entire boorus and is an unsuitable argument for a tag repo with the purpose of being general-use. It's already explicitly there to save effort on the part of the user manually tagging, and to standardize somewhat, so removing tags already in-use by users as standard, let alone getting rid of entire tag categories, seems counterproductive at best. I do have to add again that I think the standardized tags are an inferior solution to tag synonyms/cousins/etc.

Nobody so far gave their opinion about adding parent tags certain "usual features" like species\dark skin on character . On the schema it says "Don't add a parent because it is usually associated with a child; add it because it is always associated with a child." and one example it gives is Scarlet Johansen > female. Except people could draw\photoshop her as a male. Some artists can make a human version of Tali'zorah or a light skinned Korra.

Also if a artist draws a angel\demon\elf character without "known features" like wings\pointy ears\tails and looks like a human should it still be tagged as their supposed species or better have no tags at all? Whats the community take on this?

I also have a fetish that I dont see a tag for in either hydrus, sankakucomplex or gelbooru. Which is "licking cum off the floor". I can search\tag for "licking cum" and "licking floor", and been tagging like that. I made a local tag for personal usage but I wonder if it could be useful to other people, and if there is a better name to that?

>>4185

This distinction of 2d\3d confuses me. But ok, thanks for your opinion. I never heard of this true loli thing, I will look for it.

>>4187

I am not going to delete anything, but i definetly wont add that tag. I dont see how adding face tag to that search or a similar one would help. The result should be the same if you didnt include it.

>>4190

Well can you explain the uses of the tags such as "downloading" "black" "blue" "deep" "attention" "doing" "double" "better version at source" "race" and "siterip"?

What about subjective tags, like "cute" or "sexy"? I just found out what "callipygous" in some of my images means: having a beautiful butt.

>>4194

So for the one odd condition where someone draws Scarlett Johansen as a dude, they could remove the parent (which you can do) and add the appropriate replacement. I mean, not everyone's born with two arms, but our stuff is still manufactured with two arms in mind. You're not going to hit certainty, but what you can hit is "this is almost always true and only in strange special cases would it not be true, so it's vastly more useful to add it than to not, as the tags can be changed at any time". Naturally, some users will hate this while others will be very glad to save the time, so no real pleasing everyone.

Wings/tail/nekomimi/etc are a very grey area under this sentiment and I don't know a good answer, but then I also don't know a good answer for the same things regarding at what threshold to tag as furry or anthro. If tagging a character manually, I'd personally say to still include the species tag in with the character, that way people can search "species -species_features_tags"…but that makes "character -usual_species" not work. Ideally, maybe it would be best to have the character name, the original species, and a third tag like "humanized", describing the change or version seen in the picture.

I imagine that, at the least, the gay community has made up some little-used term for that as it's a less popular sub-fetish common amongst them, like pozzing but less common. Sadly I don't know it if there is one. I think that would be useful to some people besides you, but the "licking_cum" "licking_floor" combination is actually really good and I'm a little surprised the repo already has both. I can't think of any cases in which it wouldn't return the same results, so for now it's probably fine, but if a gay community or better yet an H term for it comes to light, it would probably be worth adding. Of course, this all hinges on whatever the dev decides.

You can delete whatever you want, I'm just saying dev shouldn't delete tags from repo (unless you're dev which would be a little confusing).

I'm not sure about "downloading", but the colors are for the overall color palette or filter/shading of a booru-type image or even better, for wallpapers/logos/etc. Remember, hydrus isn't just for porn or character art, and I say that despite using it for nearly nothing but those currently. "Deep" could refer to an intensely detailed picture, a picture with a philosopical quote or metaphor, or so on. Not just pictures either, as hydrus can include videos full of arbitrary content or even other files, I think including PDFs.

"Doing" is a verbifier! I wonder if it has "being" as well? Think about it, you could tag something "milk" and then instead of "milking" you could add "doing" to pics where the verb sense applies. That way, "milking" returns just "action shots" whereas "milk" returns the object….which could be all the same, or depending on your library could return both lactation and saucers of milk. That's not a great example but it is an example. I imagine the base of the tag repo was a word list, maybe with some preliminary curation and removal, but I can see usage for a universal action-indicator. Either way, I don't have to use it unless I want to, so it certainly doesn't make it more difficult to find anything. If not every tag in the repo gets used by even one person, nothing's been lost.

"double" = "two of the same character", like "clone" would be, or perhaps Patrick Bateman

"Better version at source" = "I wasn't able to get the full-res, but you can if you check the source tag and get past the paywall/sometimes-down image serving server/IP range block/sadpanda."

race = Think the sport, not "subspecies". Again, not only for porn, and I'm sure there's racing porn. Actually it would be cool to have a "race:" tag prefix like the "filename:" one, since common categorization.

"siterip" - This is one piece of a full siterip which is available, there is more here if you search and/or you should search the internets for the rest.

>callipygous

That is a fantastic rare word.

>>4194

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4z4O_NGHlI

>>4195

I know you can remove the child tag, still I wonder if my examples helps more than hinder. I think they do but before adding some stuff (maily species of sci-fi characters) I wanted to know people thoughts of it.

Some of your examples arent very convincing to me. Doing: I dont think tag "dependency" is a good thing, which is why I made my own tag for personal use, but I suppose it can work in your example. Double can mean so many things that is useless to search for in my opinion, there are more specific tags for such reason. The race tag was in a pr0n image I have, but I agree that it have it uses now that you mention it, although racing seems better. Better version could help the user scrouge the internet I suppose, I will give you that. Siterip dont seem to help the user at all. I mean "Oh I now know this image was part of a siterip"? So what?

Thank you for replying, I appreciate it.

>>4197

Cute video!

Personally, I feel that looking at Danbooru for tagging policies is a good idea. They have a big team of people who are utterly autismal about their tags and will go to great lengths to police them. If they use one tag and not another then chances are they spent quite a bit of time arguing about it. Might as well use their work.

>>4198

Yeah, racing is a better term maybe.

I'd say that knowing it was a siterip is helpful to the enterprising young user, but it doesn't directly give you anything, no.

np, just interested in hydrus in general.

>>4200

I tried to look at danbooru earlier actually but it was down. I can't remember if it's the one that says tag ONLY for series, author, character, artists, and never for content. If it is I despise it and object to doing anything like it.

In either case, I actually really dislike the big autismal tagging team idea because good tags die as they move into autistic "politics" trying to establish or cite or maintain rules that are only good with regards to some tagging situations to begin with. It does help keep it more like Wikipedia, but I think there's something to be said for a little chaos if it adds sparseness…personally, I think gelbooru's system is awesome, and it's the biggest booru I know of (last I checked), which leads me to believe that "many would agree". It's not perfect, but it has lots of tags, mostly good, and the long list of tag synonyms (yes, I'm still shilling this idea) keeps you getting relevant results. Sadly the furries and lolicon uploaders largely refuse to put the applicable tags on themselves because they're either really really lazy, desperate to be loved, or downright malicious and want drama. That said, you can just blacklist all of their common animal-specific tags and get rid of most of the shit.

Anyways, gelbooru-like (with synonyms) is my waifu.

>>4200

Expanding upon that, a great guideline is

1. no subjective tags like "deep" as >>4195 said

2. nothing which is inherently vague like "blue" or "doing" or "double"

A lot of people on the PTR seem to be really bad at tagging, ending up with partial tags (character names being split up etc) and just straight up bad tags. I think some of those single word oddities come from automatic tagging from filenames and such.

>>4201

Gelbooru is literally a mirror of Danbooru.They copy all the images and their tags from Danbooru. Except they have a non-existant moderation team so a lot of bad tags or misused tags gets through. I like Gelbooru but from a purely tagging perspective Danbooru is much better.

>>4201

Also, I believe paheal is the only relevant booru left that doesn't tag content.

But you know what I just remembered? Gelbooru doesn't actually have siblings or tag parents. They haven't for years. Their software is fucking shit. To add a sibling they have to rebuild their entire database which now would take days. They just manually replace tags when Danbooru adds a new sibling or parent.

So nowadays there's this weird flow going where you have Danbooru setting the tag guidelines, siblings, parents, artist names, how a tag is used etc, then it gets mirrored to Gelbooru, where people add their tags and some more images of stuff that wouldn't pass Danbooru's quality check, and THAT then gets mirrored to sankaku channel, where people yet again add their own tags and images that wouldn't even fly on Gelbooru. Rendering Gelbooru and Sankaku a good source for quantity, but of questionable quality, while Danbooru has good quality of images and tags but a fair amount of good images simply don't get approved.

I've gazed into the abyss and the autists stared back.

>>4202

???

Last I checked, Gelbooru had significantly more images than danbooru.

>>4203

Oh, paheal was the one I'm thinking of.

Then, as long as we don't do a paheal.

Gelbooru doesn't have tag parents, but it does have synonyms. Or it did last time I was there, which wasn't years ago.

Or maybe I'm thinking of rule34.xxx, which mirrors Gelbooru and a few others? I don't fucking remember anymore.

I'd much rather have an abundance of shit images to swim through than miss good images, I can see more thumbnails in Hydrus than I ever could in a booru, and half of what the Hydrus client is is a scraper which means download inputs should be assumed to be full of shit. Well-tagged and even excessively-tagged gelbooru-like servers sounds like just a much nicer version of a download tab, which is fine with me.

You haven't truly seen the autism until you've actually learned some of the Wikipedia arbitration rules and read all of their cheesy, "muh direct contradictions r so intuitive and eclectic despite our 9000000001 rules and sperging if you bend one on our bias-protected articles" guide pages.

>>4204

Yeah, danbooru autism has nothing to do on wiki autism. That's a whole next level.

I wouldn't say Gelbooru has significantly more images than danbooru, but it does have a significant amount over Danbooru for certain artists. Sometimes people do upload images to gelbooru directly but most of the time what you're seeing is images that got uploaded to Danbooru and simply didn't get approved by the moderation team. I mean, I use Gelbooru much more in the context of hydrus (perhaps because Danbooru has been broken for at least 2 months now, with no fix on the horizon), but I like to have multiple subscriptions for the same artist but on multiple services. Sometimes it's Sankaku and Gelbooru, sometimes it's just Gelbooru, sometimes it's Gelbooru and Danbooru if I want to make double sure everything is properly tagged. Excessive tagging, as long as it's not completely unfitting for the image, doesn't really bother me much, but you can't disagree the sites would be much better if each one of them had as much care for quality as Danbooru. It does get slightly annoying, for example, with gelbooru a lot of times tags such as long hair, huge ass or large breasts get misused and it only makes things harder for the end user. Where on danbooru you'll get an email from a moderator when you mistag an image (personal experience)

And no, it doesn't have synonyms anymore. Well, it does _have_ them, they just haven't added any new ones since 2012 or so.I know this because I personally tried to fix some stuff on gelbooru and got a defeated response from one of the staff members about how they have to fix everything manually. When Danbooru changes the tag for an artist, they just forcefully replace the tag with the new one. What if someone uses the old tag? Well, it'll be a considered a new tag. That image might be lost in the depths of the booru forever. Whoops.

Another question for you guys… should I tag something with person:whatever on a media of a movie\tv show? Like the movie underworld: Besides tagging the character as selene, should I also add kate beckinsale, or star wars tagging all leia organa with Carrie Fisher?

What about games\anime that got a movie adaptation? When its ok to add a person tag, when it "resembles" the actor\actress?

>>4211

Addendum I remembered wrongly.

It was to favor namespaces that took advantage of the copy[afternamespace] feature.

>>4210

Series:onimusha 3

person:jean reno

character (whatwasitalready?)

Seems more than ok to me.

So anyone else want to tell their opinion on the "adding a nickname in the middle of the name" thing? As exemple: character:angela "mercy" ziegler (overwatch) instead of simply character:angela ziegler.

Also how about characters who change their name\title? Such as Tali'Zorah from Mass Effect, who starts as Tali'Zorah nar Rayya, becomes Tali'Zorah vas Neema then finally settles for Tali'Zorah vas Normandy? There is tags for both rayva and normandy on the repository. Should we just use Tali'Zorah without any titles to be neutral and probably wont have another character named that, the rayva who is more popular or normandy which is the "actual"? In the schema the developer prefer correcteness over popularity, but technically all of them are correct.

>>4280

Not what you're asking about, but I think "(overwatch)" is unnecessary and should be avoided. The series namespace exists for a reason.

>>4150

I'm against translating everything to English. It's stuff from Japan so you can use their words.

Character and Persons are not the same thing so they should not be the same color, character implies within a series whereas persons is someone actually alive.

Nicknames are important and some rule on how it's structured would be nice and yes (words in here on a name) when the name is distinct should be removed.

Princess is a tag for when the subject is in the attire, so I don't know what you're going on about.

>>4151

>I don't need straight tags because I'm straight

Cool, but others do- it only makes sense since it's another thing that is visually present.

Also there are ways to search for what you want

>>4182

The filename tag should be local.

Netorare isn't fully the same as cheating. It includes it, but is not in intention behind it. If you really want an English word you could refer it as cuckold.

Also best term I've found for loli is Nymphet- but I reserve that term for /co/-tier shit.

>>4185

Remember there is Oppailoli.

>>4188

Just commenting on the issue, but in my local tags I use what board I would most logically post on in terms of direct description.

There is a big number next to /a/

>>4190

>>4193

There is such a thing as bad tags, which are called subjective tags. They should be removed as it isn't about what is actually in the image anymore.

>>4194

Genderswap is a thing. Also since that is a person and the last time I checked humans are not able to change genders completely as much as some faggots wish they could.

>>4200

I suggest e-hentai to an extent as well since I somewhat do tagging while I download doujinshi.

>>4211

I like those pixiv tags.

>>4293

Japan didnt invent handjobs (tekoki), paizuri (titfuck), creampie (nakadashi) and so on, yet some people use those terms. Years ago I was looking on a site for glasses, then megane and found different results. Its a little weird to have some words translated and some not, but I know some words are almost exclusively used in their japanese form, and would annoy folks if changed. I thought loli could translate to young female, but as someone mentioned, its apparently have other uses (although I believe its very rare) so it could be inaccurate in some cases. Maybe they could fix those circustances with making another name unique for them, I dont know.

I thought everyone would be in line with the color change, apparently not, forgive me for assuming this.

The princess thing I was wrong. I thought Belle wasnt a princess and people added that title on her name in the PTR just because she is from disney. But apparently she does becomes one.

There are also broken tags. Hydrus can download unnamespace from hentai foundry, which is a mess. You can get tags like "mortal" "kombat" or "dragon" "age" "inquisition", a character like Cassandra Pentaghast would also be split in 2 tags. Titles also get ripped, so "a walk in the park" would give you "a" "walk" "in" "the" "park" as tags. Dragon is useful, but clearly many of those images wouldnt feature one. I think the hashtags from tumbrl and pvixix could also give problem, but didnt researched it much,.

On scarlett, if people drew\photoshoped a male version of her, it wouldnt make sense to show up as female tag. I know you can remove the child tag though. I wondered if since Scarlett is associated with female to save time for some and add a tag for someone who wouldnt do it, maybe Korra could be associated with dark-skinned female for instance, (even though a artist could draw her white) could help people find her using the secondary tag.

>>4297

I like the idea of full name and a sibling of nickname, but mercy may be used in other character, so I think there should be (overwatch) in there, in case you want to only show up results of mercy from a determinate series. Appending series:x to the search would work, still I think its easier to put on the name, although some (like hydrus dev) find it ugly.

Thanks for your imput on Tali, I thought of something else regards to talk about: Costumes: There are already tags for character:Mercy Witch due to the helloween event that blizzard did. Is the difference really warrants another name? "mercy (overwatch)" and "mercy (witch outfit)"? Like Princess Leia and Slave Leia? I thought they could be the same, and just use a unnamespaced tag like "slave outfit" to find leia clothed like that, or "alternate costume" to find the mercy as a witch.

>>4308

>Titles also get ripped, so "a walk in the park" would give you "a" "walk" "in" "the" "park" as tags.

This was a bug with the hentaifoundry.db tag database. It doesn't happen with the downloader in Hydrus, and it shouldn't happen anymore since that tag db only contains older images, and I hope no one uses it anymore. Unfortunately the PTR is filled with those broken tags now. I try removing them whenever I see them. The other tags are still a problem of course, but you could skip importing non namespaced tags to avoid it.

See >>3166

>>4308

Some stuff wasn't made by Japan, yes- however Japan has made some things into fetishes. Glasses and Megane are slightly different in the sense of Megane is looking for a cute girl wearing glasses and glasses being just the object. With loli there isn't a good alternative and it's more focused on the 2d aspect of it.

Princess is a visual thing, but Disney has lots of them so it can be easily confused.

>>4309

Yeah I see those tags often. The first time I imported on HF with unnamespace I saw how many of them they were, and instead of commiting to the PTR I set to forget. Since then I made by default not get it. Still someone could by accident commit them, not paying attention.

>>4312

While I dont want to argue with a topic I know little of, googling around says that megane is neutral OR for males, and the term for females is meganekko.

The examples I gave previously are used by some people\sites yet we have an english translation for ease of use. Not everyone know those terms, and when there is a good english replacement, I think it should be used. I can understand someone who is used to something be irked about it though. Still it wouldnt invalidate your searches, it would just help people who arent familiar with them.

While again, I know its not a good replacement due to possibility of other uses, I dont understand this differentiation of 2d\3d. A young male\female is exactly that, regardless if real or drawn.

>>4293

>I like those pixiv tags.

I like you.

>>4325

These tags may work better in this context then:

# female

glasses

collection:meganekko

>>4308

>>4312

>>4325

child vs loli is an easy one that's been overcomplexified overtime: both being present as tag is legitimate.

"loli" is lolita, ergo a bodytype as defined by nabokov, while child is a legal age.

If we were to be pedant about it and go against 20 years of common usage we could replace "loli" by "bodytype:nymphet".

That's not something I'd like personally. Especially when no artist will ever use that.

Remilia isn't a young female, yet is a loli.

Not that I would call her a lolibaba to her face.

>>4329

Nabokov named the character, who was notable for being underage.

Nabokov did not define the art style, nor did Nabokov intend for Lolita to be seen as a pre-pubescent child.

>>4330

He defined her as a nymphet, and nymphet as a woman having just left puberty.

Admiteddly it was a time where female didn't suffer from an artificial sugar induced growth.

Their 13 is our current 10…

Forget about the young female\loli, like I said before, even thinking about that tag I already knew it wouldnt be applicable to all cases therefore it wouldnt work, I was just "thinking out loud".

>>4329

The thing is, at the time when I searched on the site (I cant even remember which), glasses and megane gave different results, if there was a translation this wouldnt be the case. Which is the point of the thread, some people may tag only in terms that others are not aware, so if there isnt a translation they will miss out.

>>4354

I agree with you on that point with a subtlety.

Tag should be translated if possible

It isn't a problem of translation so much as a problem of intent.

Glasses is purely descriptive and is perfect as a tag with no nametag.

Megane isn't directly descriptive and actually imply the glasses nametag and a fetish:glasses/collection:girl with glasses/collection:meganekko tag.

I see unametagged tag as having the implied nametag "description:xxx". It served me well enough till now.

In short, what information do I share?

Now on a related point: "collection:" or "pool:" like danbooru do?

Or is there a distinction between the terms I don't get? Perhaps someone can or did come up with something better.

>>4356

I think there are very few use cases wherein someone with a glasses fetish would not want to find pics including glasses, whether they were included in a fetishistic way or not. As far as that goes, it's not as if every person will have the exact same situational fetishism or reason for liking glasses, and I doubt they would all agree on which circumstances or situations counted as "megane" tag worthy.

But, if it's really somehow worthy of any distinction at all, the obvious thing to do would be to tag every image tagged "megane" with "glasses" as well…unless it's an image of, like, some generic doujin protag yelling "I love meganeeeeee" with no image of a woman wearing glasses, even in a thought bubble or something. Or, you could give even those a "glasses" tag anyways with no real harm done.

This brings me back to a point I made earlier ITT, and that is this: there is really no such thing as too many tags. So I'd say having both English and transliterated Japanese would be ideal. Especially since you might have Korean, Thai, Chinese, Latin, etc, etc….you could just have the original language and a translation to your language both as tags. Could even tag with the original moonrunes if you wanted. Ideally you'd have a tag for the thing in each language. Best result we're going to have until we get fuzzy logic translation standard on all computers, or something.

Another thing: "from behind" tag. My understanding is that its for images that show a person butt facing towards the viewer. Thats how sankaku works for instance. But the tag "taken from behind" and "from behind position" were made a sibling of it, so now I have images where it either show a woman with her ass towards the screen (what I want to search) or having someone behind her. Should those tags remain as siblings?

There is a tag "viewed from behind" which I could add to my images, but would that be the best solution, considering that when you import tags from sankaku it will be a different meaning?

I've been working on correcting my tipoes and namespacing some tags recently, (ratings:tag, medium:tag, some meta:tag, etc.) but mainly absorbing the mistyped tags into a fitting namespace.

I'll commit my change in some days, don't wanna risk having some trash tags~

May I bring the attention on the use of the "folder:tag" namespace? I think this shouldn't exist in the hydrus archive besides as a temporary local tag to help you sort the mess of pics. If keeping a "filename:tag" make senses for posting purpose(please no more filename:216989877.jpg T_T) the same usefulness isn't seen in the "folder:tag".

Pretty please, help me in removing 'folder:tag' type tags.

Another matter: pixiv's tags.

I think the correct behavior would be to automatically add a translated parent for common tag, rather than replacing it by a sibling as was done on "original character".

If we eventually get a way to create [colored] tag groups it would be better to still have the japanese tags.

simple example: the pixiv tag "r-18" become "rating:r-18" and call "rating:explicit".

[note:not sure what to do with "r-15" since a series by that name exist…]

I wonder what the folks who say "every tag is useful" would say about "lo pan would hit that" and "this is not a tag fags".

Cirno, while I agree with folder tags being useless, maybe just censoring the whole namespace is the best option here, until we get people saying the reason they should stay.

Why cant we translate pixiv tags? Also the dev said that there is a possibility of having tags being translateable in the future (so you see the one you prefer), but nothing confirmed.

The species is just so you can search for what you want. "Oh hey i am in the mood for dragons… i am in the mood for elves"

Why not use a generic nonamespace tag MONSTER GIRL to apply to all of them, and species:arachna or "species:dragon humanoid" something like that?

>>4873

See those two tags don't negatively impact me at all because I can just scroll past them while looking at 9000 other tags.

You know what DOES hurt me? species: mammal on humans. Not because autism about mammal not being a species, because everyone but me uses that tag to find furshit, and I use that tag to delete furshit without having to sift through it myself.

Yes, I know, humans are mammals. Everyone knows that. Yes, there is probably like one "panspecies" person who wants to see all mammals including humans. But please tell me that was imported from a booru and not that one of you is actually tagging people as "mammal" on the PTR.

Anyways, I like your idea for the monster girl tagging, I just wanted to complain about species:mammal on humans while I was here.

Also does anyone know if there's a way to mass-commit tags to the PTR for a group of files, but ONLY CERTAIN TAGS? I'd love to give you guys my content: ratings and contribute my series: and character: stuff, but I really don't think the PTR needs more "tag" or "tagme".

>>4889

Not affect is not a reason to have them though. Being ok with having them would mean being ok to have a shit ton of useless "funny may-may xd xd epic win" tags piled up in the future.

Usually images with furry content are also marked as "furry" "anthro" or something else, you could filter by those instead. And make subscriptions with -furry on boorus.

I just tag stuff like "elf" "orc" "troll" and the like, if you scroll up my OP says "We are trying to catalogue fauna and flora? Have kingdom, phylum, clade, class, order, suborder, family, genus?"

It can help people though. Before I was erasing "elf" from dark elf\drow images but I figured someone may not give a shit about the different kind of elves and just want a general ELF search, and hydrus dont support OR yet.

If you want to put say series:street fighter on a bunch of untagged SF images, just select them all, press F3 and add the tag. You can also remove tags that way.

When importing files to hydrus there is also a advanced way of giving all of them tags.

>>4893

>Not affect is not a reason to have them though.

Nor explicitly one not to, in all fairness.

>Being ok with having them would mean being ok to have a shit ton of useless "funny may-may xd xd epic win" tags piled up in the future.

I would personally be okay with that, because I generally know which tags I'm going to be looking for on an image, and for sauce or other namespace stuff I can just use a namespace sort. I get what you're saying and less clutter is always good (provided it's actually clutter and not something someone will want to use), but I don't really care either way so long as no useful tagging is left off. Also, the PTR isn't the right place for communication, but it might be nice to have a LITTLE room for shitposting/saying "hey dude you can download the full set of this from [url]" or something. Personally I've been leaving myself little short notes, mostly like "needs edit", on my local tag db under the "comment:" namespace. Not an amazing solution, but if we could move misc crap or helpful tips to all be under the "comment:" namespace and have a general rule to keep it fairly light on the comments, would be easy to scroll past two or three of them at once if namespace sorted, or more for larger groups of files. Also, it's a fairly sperg-friendly solution in that if you give them a namespace to write whatever in and just ask them to keep it light, can save time reverting tags and getting into autism wars with repetitive meme-taggers.

Also, if Hydrus eventually got some functionality to filter namespaces, that would be really cool. I tend to always import filenames in case they contain source info, but when not looking for source info it would save a little scroll time in batches to be able to hide filename:

>Usually images with furry content are also marked as "furry" "anthro" or something else, you could filter by those instead. And make subscriptions with -furry on boorus.

Yeah, on boorus I have a whole blacklist set up (login engine soon) and I do filter for furry, anthro, scalie, and any individual species: tags I come across in Hydrus, but a lot of furry stuff tends to go untagged, furries are kind of notorious for it. So far the PTR has been a lot better with that than boorus, most anthro stuff that I've come across with PTR tags is also tagged something to indicate anthro. So, to those reading, thanks for that guys.

>I just tag stuff like "elf" "orc" "troll" and the like, if you scroll up my OP says "We are trying to catalogue fauna and flora? Have kingdom, phylum, clade, class, order, suborder, family, genus?"

I think it would be awesome to have the classifications listed as that, I'd like it for actual nature/animal pics and so on. For fantasy stuff people would disagree about the right classification types even if it were more or less spelled out in the source material (rarely is), but I'd be okay with just adding the tags as whatever classification category anyone thinks it might be. The species: only for everything is wrong, but fairly practical and people are more likely to actually do it, so I'm fine with that too. And "species:human" is more than good enough for humans.

>It can help people though. Before I was erasing "elf" from dark elf\drow images but I figured someone may not give a shit about the different kind of elves and just want a general ELF search, and hydrus dont support OR yet.

I'm starting to really pine for OR, I hope we can just type it in exactly like that and go right into another tag in the same line. (Take your time though dev, better right than quick)

And yeah, whether you call them drow or dark elves, in most lore they're a specific race of the larger genus of elves, just live wood elves, high elves, etc, etc, so even if Hydrus gets an OR I think it'd be misguided to remove elf tags from dark elf images.

Consider the use cases:

- Someone types "species:elf" looking for elves in general, if they don't see the "dark elf" autocomplete for some reason they may never know there are tags for the other elf images they have (dark elves) = BAD END

- Someone types in just "species:elf" and dislikes dark elves, they get a shit ton of dark elves, REEEEE, and adds "-species:dark elf" and "-species:drow" and also, say, "-series:world of warcraft" just for good measure and gets just pale waifish elves = PRETTY GOOD END

Just not worth the risk of people missing out on tags for a little extra purity/convenience a majority of users may not need. Also, I think most serious hydrus users will eventually keep their own little stash of special local tags once they get going.

>If you want to put say series:street fighter on a bunch of untagged SF images, just select them all, press F3 and add the tag. You can also remove tags that way.

I know about batch-adding, though I didn't know I could use F3, but the one time I tried a tag change for the PTR it was a remove and it popped up a confirmation, so I didn't want to get spammed with confirmations. Seems like that won't happen, so I'll try it. Do you know if there's a way to directly copy over existing local tags to the PTR yet?

>When importing files to hydrus there is also a advanced way of giving all of them tags.

True, but I'd have to export/import/manually add the tags anyways that way, easier just to rewrite them on the PTR.

Instead of adding local tags for "need edit" I use a favorite (like/dislike rating) for that. I just need to hover the mouse on the top right on the full screen to mark it and check it out later.

You can hide nonamespace and whole namespaces in the manage censorship tab. You can also make a local sibling that while it wont substitute the PTR tag, it will be included in search. For instance I have "aqua eyes" sibling as "blue eyes" and when i search for blue the aqua tags also show up (that could work on the elf case).

Also do you classify "furry" anything thats non-human? Cause I am into women having sex with monsters and some of them are tagged as furry, even though to me that tag is for animals who have human features. So if you think the same as me you may be missing out on some images who are not really furry.

I gave an example on the post above about anal and anal insertion. Since theres no OR yet I add ANAL to anal insertion but it may be annoying to people who dont want insertions. And sometimes using a -insertion woulndt be the optimal since there are images of multiple people, one having anal sex and the other a insertion, that user would like to see the image solely for the one character having sex but filtering it out he would miss it because of the insertion tag. So in this case purity would give better searches.

If you click on a tag to erase it it will prompt why, if you select multiple ones with control+click the prompt will work for all of them.

Err the post should had read "before I knew about local siblings I also added anal to anal insertion tags", since I learned that I stopped doing it, although it seems to be a common practice on sankaku for instance.

I think anal-insertion as separate from anal (implying anal-sex) is purist itself, because the insertion isn't strictly speaking a subset of anal intercourse, otherwise you'd want both tags.

>>4934

Couldn't you just use parent-child with the original language getting all of the translations anyone cared to add riding along with it?

>>4955

That's exactly the way to do it. My point was to not be too trigger happy with sibling and to use parent-child more.

>>4983

Open tag censorship, select the ptr, then add "filename:" as a blacklisted tag. Now any filename: tag from the PTR database will be hidden, while your local filename: namespace is unaffected.

>>4983

Yeah, it really irritates me when people don't add a space in front of their namespaces.

>>4997

Considering the namespaced tags ripped from the boorus have no space following them, I'm pretty sure we're supposed to not have any spaces.

Just look in the options, the Hydrus dev himself use the namespace:tag structure.

>>4988

I should have made it clearer, but I was talking about when someone adds "filename:*" and "filename relevant" tags to files that already have a "title:*" tag

>>5024

That's my fault. Just change all "filename relevant" tags you see to "tagme", it's what i did.

I use "filename:" because i use umlauts and accents in some filenames, and using them in things like title: or chapter: can screw up with how hydrus displays their thumbnails and can be awkward to fix.

>>5041

addendum.

I obviously o not tag pictures not in a series with any number, I felt like that point was unclear in my previous post.

If a character is from a standalone video game or other work that isn't part of a series, should one just tag it with series:[name of game]? What about if a character is from a series of games but I want to add both the name of the series and the name of the specific game they appear in? And finally, how should one differentiate between a series, a franchise, and a game if they all have the same name?

>>5065

Unless the picture you're adding is taken directly from a certain game, there's no point in adding a game because a character debuted in it. If a picture had a goomba, a shy guy, and a chain chomp in paper mario style drawings, i wouldn't expect anyone to tag it with super mario 1, 2, and 3. I'd expect a series: mario, and maybe a source: paper mario if you really want to go the extra mile.

That being said, i've seen people use series:mario (series) as opposed to series:mario to distinguish between something that's established mario canon like a videogame compared to what's fanworks, so you might want to try using that, or a (franchise) tag alongside it.

>>5065

In an ideal world, we would have a series/copyright group where every namespace belonging to it would be grouped together and colored as the 'series:tag' currently is; you would then type 'game:tag', 'anime:tag','manga:tag' or even 'franchise/series:tag' for multi-works franchise like final fantasy, .hack or the lord of the rings.

Alas, we don't have such group currently, and it isn't likely to become a priority any soon.

However we're not limited by the limited namespaces of the boorus anymore (series, character, medium and artist,…) we may use more specific tags of our won device.

Therefore,I would currently tag it as:

'game:tag' parented to 'series:tag'

example:

'game:persona' parented to 'series:persona' which is parented itself to 'series:shin megami tensei'

I would tag the characters to their specifics games, I'm unsure for the demons, maybe if they are drawn with a specific style?

>>5069

I dislike greatly 'character:tag (series)' and series:tag (series). If it's a franchise/series, namespace it as such. and use the parent to link the series if it's a unique name.

This is just my opinion of course.

"character:original character" or when good intention lead to disaster.

As I suspected a fair share of pixiv artists use the "オリジナル" tag for 'original works', not original character.

Had the translation done through parent we could have salvaged it easily, but since sibling do not record what is replaced, that will be a lot more messy. be mindful when importing work containing this tag to make sure it actually is recorded.

Thanks for the attention.