/fur/ - Furry★

Kuroodod should just stick to hetero eevees fucking eachother

>>96915

That comic is so repetitive it's just the same thing over and over. It's like a soap opera.

It costs a lot to learn how to draw backgrounds, guys

>>96938

no one faps to backgrounds retard

Lol more like overpriced eeveelutions am I right kids?

>"I work on these in my free time"

If you're being paid for you time, it's not your free time, it's working hours

Free time is time away from work

>>96956

free time is not a comission if your comissioned to do something you should have it done in 1-5 business days. not months, thats not a business thats a scam/ a hobby.

>>96963

You will never get the furry community to join your side in thinking deadlines and reasonable timeframes are important.

Artists want to take your money right now, and work on your commission between now and the twelfth of never, and their fanboys believe that inspiration must never be reigned in by dates and times. God help you if you bring up delivery dates.

I just waited three months for a painting that was already done. Guy just had to put it in an envelope and put a stamp on it. The muse will not tolerate being urged.

>>96963

>free time is not a comission if your comissioned to do something you should have it done in 1-5 business days. not months, thats not a business thats a scam/ a hobby.

>>free time is not a comission if your comissioned to do something you should have it done in 1-5 business days

>you should have it done in 1-5 business days

>should

Key word

>>97009

I have a book which helps you with depression.

It says something like "Imagine you see Van Gogh in a restaurant and ask him to draw you something on a napkin. You want the napkin back, but he wants 1000 bucks for it. You shouldn't be offended, because consider that he learned and studied art for many, many years to perfect it, so it's worth 1000 bucks."

That fucking book doesn't help me any more because those furfags are NEETs.

>>97070

>because consider that he learned and studied art for many, many years to perfect it, so it's worth 1000 bucks

But here's the thing: eventually he'll make enough money to pay off for all those years of study, and any art school training that he would've taken. So he'll meet at equilibrium and therefore technically be ripping people off of their money.

>>97144

If the best one could hope for in buying an education was to break even, what would be the point in learning anything?

you think kuroo is bad? the furry business is booming and the free market is taking place. an artist can sell their shit for whatever price they deem fit and the only thing stopping it from succeeding or failing is the demand.

if people are retarded enough to pay milesdf 5000 dollars to have their OC in a generic pose, so be it.

>>97144

>no one deserves to profit off of anything ever

>>96970

I'm sorry you've had noting but bad luck. I've had nothing but good. Maybe that means there are artists like you describe and artists who're nothing like that.

>>97148

Even if thats true it doesnt disprove my point

>>97195

Thats not what I'm saying. Think of it like this: if I buy a machine that makes cars and mark up the price because I said that "the machine used to make cars cost me a lot of money" eventually I'll sell enough of those cars to have paid off the machine, then I can't really use that excuse any more now can I?

>>96950

>people still think that someone actually bought Miles pic and he's not lying.

Funny how Fuzzamorous sold a comission around the same time but was completelly open and you could perfectly see the user who paid for that.

>>97204

Oh I’ve had good deals too. But way too many bad ones for it to be an occasional fluke. And I’ve seen artists shoutboxes erupt into full-on wars between the buyers fed up that their commission is being delayed yet again, and the chorus of fanboys who insist that it’s ok to take someone’s cash and then work whenever you feel like it.

If it happened once or twice, ever, it’d be understandable bad luck. But it’s more like once or twice a year.

I just send real polite reminders every month until I get my shit. And I always include a no-hard-feelings refund clause in case they are just overwhelmed or lost interest. I try to look nothing like the (justifiably) furious people in the shoutboxes.

>>97214

Not every artist wants all their business out in the open like that. Not every buyer does either.

It’s not that absurd that a furry would spend a baller amount of money on a commission. People blow money on stupid shit.

>>97206

I think I need a better example. Car manufacturing is nothing like that. Tesla tried to build a car-making machine and failed miserably. Everyone else does it on assembly lines.

In industry they call it NRE or non-recurring engineering cost; the price of conveyor belts and tools and installing machines.. But when that’s paid for the cost doesn’t go to zero. It just goes down from where it started. And that assumes that your product line never changes. Even Tesla would still have repair bills and retooling expenses if they could make a car-making machine.

Artists don’t generally sell in enough volume to recoup their training and setup expenses. You’d have to sling a whole lot of pinups to cover the cost of art school or even a few months of dedicated practice. They just make it look easy.

>>97220

artists don't have repair costs tho

>>97253

materials and supplies, nice PC, web hosting domain, hours spend setting up in shops.

furries do none of this.

That guy just has way too simplistic a view of what it is to be an artist, even a furry artist. It’s like “they’re just wiggling a pencil around, any moron can do it.”

So just do it. Be the next furry artist. You can make a fortune if you actually fulfill a commission once in a while. The market is there right now.

>>97253

Varies artist to artist. Included any possible thing I could think of. Not all artists do all this, they all cut corners because they can't afford it.

>Replacing supplies

>Software subscriptions

>Reference access (if free resources aren't cutting it; books, subscriptions, magazines, etc)

>Time for research and studies (master studies, plein air, anatomy study, style, color theory, etc)

>Money for research and studies (online courses, in-person courses, nude models, etc)

>Hardware: computer, scanner, a good monitor, drawing tablet, electric bill etc

>Website/store

>Wrist injuries from repetitive stress

>Any new set of supplies for exploring a new medium, craft, software, etc

>Gas money to fulfill any of these

>Convention booth + Traveling costs

>Prints

Oh and artists are living beings and they need to survive to make art (they're not literal car making machines yah?) so add the cost of living if this is their primary job. Bills, food, all that.

Price should pay for any of that per individual and time spent on the piece at least.

>>97505

Applies to lots of crafts with skills. Got a friend who makes neon signs, and lots of potential customers are shocked at how much they cost. Some do say that it shouldn't because "it's easy." Uh, yeah, I've seen the entire process involved. I know exactly why it costs so much!

>>97195

Theres profit and gouging.

If I go to a store and buy a loaf of bread that usually costs 5 bucks, the store can't just charge $100 because the store needs to make a profit.

With careful investment, not buying frivolous things, and during college you go out of your way to get grants and scholarships, you can have whatever student debt you gained (It's still an unfair amount because the system is fucked) to a manageable level without needing to rip the arms off of your customers.

I could get a sketch of this detail >>97009 for roughly half the price from a variety of other artists.

It'd also help if he stopped wasting time giving freebies to "popufurs" who will only give them a shout out, milk them for more freebies, and show them off to their audience who won't be potential customers because fanboys are usually broke.

>>97567

You can’t get that exact artist tho, and that’s what drives this kind of pricing model.

Until we get over brand addiction we will continue to see $5k commissions and $2k smart phones and bullshit like that because the value is in the ridiculous price tag.

>>97568

Ugh, true.

It's even more embarrassing when it's with furry art.

>>97571

Also true.

Although if you compare the price of a Banksy to a typical nobody in a gallery sale it fits the model pretty closely.

Except that the Banksy isn’t some random OC getting spit roasted by Finnick and Nick.