No.90793[Last 50 Posts]
There are so many fucking narcissists in the furry fandom, they're fucking gorged on attention and money they're getting. Why aren't there more efforts to get them the fuck out? The fandom is a verifiable fountain of autism, if everyone who gives a damn got their shit together, furries wouldn't be so alienated.
I understand, it's easier said than done if said narcissists happen to be the moneymakers or admins of established communities, but given thotaudit's success, it proves that blood can be spilled. Where there's blood in the water, there's sharks.
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No.90795
suck your thumb crybaby because the fandom is working very hard atleast i am to out pedophiles and zoophiles from this fandom and return it back to a nerdy geeky hobby instead of a bloodbath of degenerates.
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No.90799
>>90793
Because they usually are still skilled enough to produce marketable content, their narcissism is fed because they worked hard to keep it fed.
I know of at least one open narcissist in the furry community who gets praised and all that jazz and is rich, but to imply the don't deserve it BECAUSE they are narcissists is being blind to the fact that they wouldn't have gotten there if they didn't have the skills to make money or the general appealing nature to be praised.
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No.90807
im OP and im mad that my community is being defined as to what it seeks to hide, thats its a fetish with a sheet over it.
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No.90808
>>90799
a fool and his money are soon parted
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No.90839
>>90793
That's pretty impossible. The best thing to do is lead by example so that others would follow you.
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No.90840
>>90795
fuck you nigger. You want to clean up furshittery? Get rid of the otherkin, get rid of the fursuiters, get rid of the fags.
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No.90850
It's a fandom where you're pushed to introspect to create a fursona, meanwhile its very name "furry" implies superficiality, which it is in every other way. It's the ultimate narcissist magnet.
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No.90852
I think this is just a part of the fandom, I mean, we can't get rid of it because it's a symptom of what the furry fandom is. A whole lot of escapism and ego built entirely on top of a creative market.
Trying to chase these people away would be like slicing the heads off a hydra. You'd get no where and end up with a whole lot of toxic drama for your trouble. Just ignore them and support people who emulate what you want in the fandom.
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No.90867
>>90840
>Get rid of fursuiters
Seriously, nigga? You've never been to a con have you? Without fursuiters you'd have a bunch of neckbeards walking around pretending to be a nine tailed purple and green colored fox. At least when you wear a suit of your durrsona you can be that animal.
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No.90868
>>90793
>Why aren't there more efforts to get them the fuck out?
Because they're incredibly profitable.
>>90850
It has always bothered me that furry is a fandom that supposedly values introspection and self-actualization, while also being a fandom you need to hand over wads of cash if you want to take part meaningfully.
It is, in 21st century terms, a paywall on identity.
>>90840
Honestly better than getting rid of fursuiters, i'd say get rid of bespoke fursuit manufacturers.
Imagine if fursuits of generic animals were mass-manufactured by the Chinese and could be bought for say $4-500 with prices declining further over time due to the efficiency of mass-production. That's expensive, but it's within the purchasing power of anyone who can afford a laptop.
They'd then be cheap enough that people could take the risk of customizing them themselves without being too concerned about doing damage, and they'd also be common enough that nobody could really show off too egotistically because 90% of the people at a convention would have their own suit. It wouldn't be a novelty anymore.
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No.90869
>>90868
There will always be bespoke versions for any mass produced product.
And as someone that has no interest in fursuiting but a growing interest in learning how to be one such suit designer (I don't have any ties to the fursuiting community or any social connections that are furries, I just love the idea of making costumes tbh), I'd prefer that still be a thing.
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No.90883
>>90869
>I'd prefer that still be a thing.
The philosophical question is, do you want it to be a thing so you can make your own suit, or so that you can sell suits at a price that only the rich can pay?
though frankly i'd try to go down a route that avoids interacting with furries whatsoever regardless.
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No.90890
>>90883
>text
Oh, I’m only interested in it for the purpose of making money: I don’t have any desire to suit myself. It’s a hustle, cut and dry.
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No.90892
>>90793
>but given thotaudit's success
I heard a lot of conservatives who use Patreon and such also got fucked but the alt-right isn't bringing up their side paying a big price in the process.
I know I reported a bunch of YT channels that do nothing but cry about things that hurt their conservafeelings.That is not content creation or real work.
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No.90893
>>90793
Furries will trample each other to pay top dollar for art, up front with no agreed deadline, and without following up when that deadline comes and goes with no art.
Until we start acting like the kind of consumers we are on amazon or at Walmart, we shouldn’t expect the people profiting off this shitshow to take the high road.
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No.90921
>>90867
atleast when they wear the suit they are less ugly.
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No.90942
>>90893
Until you stop acting like consumers, period, you're fucked.
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No.90959
>>90799
>they usually are still skilled enough to produce marketable content
Lol, the fandom is made up of failed artists who were NOT skilled enough to produce marketable content. That's a fact.
Ever wondered why everything fucking sucks?
Because not counting their insufferable personalities, furries are unemployable in terms of skills.
But they created this bubble for themselves where the "best of the worst" make more than the best of the best in the real world.
If you take pretty much any industry artist, they're guaranteed to blow any shitty furry "artist" out of the water in terms of skills. So furfags make up for that gap by showering their guy in praise and money they don't deserve.
Hence why the egocentric narcissistic personality goes so well with this fandom.
Which, on top of that, is incompatible with holding a real job, let alone an art job where to go anywhere you need to take criticism without sperging out.
So, in the end, in this art-driven fandom only petty people who never had any genuine drive to become artists thrive, which is one of the biggest fucking ironies I've ever seen.
>being blind to the fact that they wouldn't have gotten there if they didn't have the skills to make money or the general appealing nature to be praised.
If you want to call being a massive narcissistic cunt "success", go for it. Doesn't mean anyone thinks it is.
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No.90961
>>90959
Anon, something's marketability is determined by its demand. Furry artists, whether or not they are competitive with professional design artists in the mainstream field, are absolutely marketable.
Sunibee might not be able to duke it out with anybody with a veteran tag on ConceptArt, but those people aren't going to tarnish their portfolios with truck tire anused flavor of the month furry waifus either.
I agree that the breed of artist might not be the best -- several of the popular artists I know stick to furry specifically because they couldn't cut it playing with the big boys art an art school -- but it's still very market driven, and you only get as far as you can sell yourself.
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No.90992
>>90961
>those people aren't going to tarnish their portfolios with truck tire anused flavor of the month furry waifus either.
Yet if they did, they'd make 10x more than the guys who already make 10x more than them yet barely know how to hold a pencil.
Yet they don't.
You know why? Because the above applies only if the market revolved around actual skills. Even without taking away the furry anuses factor, it can't all only be not just unskilled, but also insufferable people that "make it" in the furry market.
No, seriously, think of someone in the fandom who doesn't fit either of those traits. You can't.
And I can guarantee that if you claim you can, you are wildly overestimating their skills.
The skill gap between furry artists and mainstream artists is so wide and the income gap (favoring furries) is even wider, that the chance of a mainstream artist never trying their hand at what would basically be a free lottery ticket for them is astronomically low.
So, what's up with that?
Because you don't hear about them.
Because the only thing this fandom demands is shitty abusive personalities and lots and lots of drama, shit that professional artists had to leave behind once they turned 18 or else they would have never become what they are.
So stop trying to pass it off as a skill-based art market. It isn't. It's just the family-friendly disguise to the rotting garbage underneath.
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No.91067
>>90992
There's a huge timesink involved in getting good at artwork; if you're looking for "People who are aware of the current art culture and don't already have professional art identities AND are capable of outcompeting the current artists" you're looking at 4 or so years between people deciding to get into art and being visible at the very least.
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No.91068
>>90868
>while also being a fandom you need to hand over wads of cash if you want to take part meaningfully
How so? I feel like I'm quite involved and I don't spend a lot, aside from the badge fee at cons. I don't travel to distant cons. I don't have a famous 'sona, but I don't feel like that means I'm not 'part of the fandom.'
>Honestly better than getting rid of fursuiters, i'd say get rid of bespoke fursuit manufacturers
Trouble is, you'd never get nice, comfortable, good-looking suits from China. You'd never even get suits that could be self-modified to be nice, good-looking and/or comfortable.
>>90869
>There will always be bespoke versions for any mass produced product
Exactly. And you can build your own suit right now. I've seen homebrew suits that looked great.
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No.100207
Remove all narcissists except for you? That's not a fair balance.
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No.100211
>>90795
>"return it back to a nerdy geeky hobby instead of a bloodbath of degenerates."
>A fandom who's origins lie in sexualizing animals
>being made up of social outcasts and artists who wanted to draw what they want/convey whatever ideas they want without restriction
It's revisionist history newfags like you that need to fuck off anon. This was NEVER some vanilla art community that everyone loved and thought was cool until "they" showed up. It was degenerate filth from the start, and we loved it, that was a decent normalfag filter. If your goal is some squeaky clean art fandom you can brag about to your friends without feeling embarrassed, try somewhere else.
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No.100249
>they're fucking gorged on attention and money they're getting
Doesn't sound bad tbh, if I got paid while pretending to be an animal person which takes no effort what so ever I'd happily do it especially since it's something I enjoy doing. Unless you're trying to weed out competition, get lost yourself fammo
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No.100260
>>90793
How about all the anti porn American Puritans fuck off forever instead. So, you kill yourself.
>>90795
Delusional little faggot
>>90840
>get rid of fursuiters
Kill yourself retard, this fandom fucking started from people wearing animal bodypaint and fucking each other, anyone who doesn't like murrsuits or fursuits should get the fuck out of this fandom
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No.100291
>>100211
>that was a decent normalfag filter
oh yay it's some retard with his meme history.
furry was little more degenerate than sci-fi in general at the very beginning.
>>100260
>this fandom fucking started from people wearing animal bodypaint and fucking each other
source: anon's arse
you're right though, but only by accident. everyone should get the fuck out of this fandom. it should be empty.
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No.100293
Art sites should hide an artist's watcher count and make it blatantly against the rules for artists to manually post how many watchers they even have- or better yet not tell them to begin with and keep their audience a secret from them. That would solve the "popufur" problem. It won't happen, any art site that did that would lose all users because popularity is what 98% of furry artists are in this for.
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No.100294
The amount of posts in this thread, including OP, calling for the removal of people they don’t like from the fandom is appalling to say the least, especially when the reasons seem to mainly be some behavioral or maybe even mental issues. If it’s real narcissism, and it bothers you so bad, then you should be pushing to help them and/or get them to seek professional help, not try and get rid of them altogether.
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No.100510
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No.100511
>>100294
alot of people need to leave, like the zoos. quick. ignur already got arrested in florida, tick tick
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No.100515
>>100294
these people don't need help, though. by and large they're in a more socially advantaged position than the average person.
if you want to help someone, help autists, help schizophrenics, help the depressed. the rich and arrogant can (and will!) help themselves.
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No.100516
>>100515
Then I’m not talking about those people. I said very clearly “people with real narcissism” as in the kind with a diagnosable condition that can and should get treatment for it.
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No.100521
>>100516
Most of them probably meet the clinical criteria. They won't get a diagnosis because they don't want a diagnosis and because their pathological behaviours are perfectly acceptable in a community that rewards such behaviours. They are only pathological to us, outside or pretending we are outside that community.
Let's not go into an in-depth discussion on the nature of mental illness.
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No.100563
>The fandom is a verifiable fountain of autism
it's not really surprising. alot of furries I've known are always diagnosed with a mental disorder (ADHD, high functioning autism, aspergers, OCD, schizoid personality disorder, depression, GAD, etc) and i was also diagnosed with ADD too.
weeb fandom usually have either anxiety or depression and that's it really. but furry fandom is a huge pile of mental illnesses
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No.100564
Hey furfags. What is the next chan. 8chan is banning honks.
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No.100661
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No.100673
>fandom literally built on "just bee urself lol"
>every spoil fuck and mentally ill pedo here is a narcissist
Imagine my shock
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No.100709
>>90793
There aren't a lot. The internet just allows the few there are to congregate together.
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No.104586
>>90795
wow I didn't know burnedfurs were still alive
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No.104587
>>90840
wow there's another burned fur, shut up faggot, go back to christanon or whatever
>>90959
it's a diy fandom you fucking crybaby cuck, accept that it's amateur shit or suck a fucking dick, you want commercial pornography go clop in ponyville
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No.104588
anyway you're never gonna get narcissists because it's a vanity fandom
by that I mean, hi, we show our fanciful selves off like a bunch of morons and demand that our fursonas be worshipped for the beauties they are
we're a golden cow generator for the vainglorious retards among us
OH GUESS WHO WINS ON THAT ONE
NARCISSUS THE FAGGOT WHO LOVES HIS OWN REFLECTION
so maybe you should treat narcissists like shit if you want to get rid of them, like for example, Adam Wan, king of the child porn who loves referencing kiddos in his "cub porn"
but I mean no one in the furry fandom actually gives a single fuck about their forest, including you, he who posts on this forum hoping someone will solve his problem, while many of us are actively punching faggots you whine about
oh but you know, DON'T CAUSE DRAMA, RIGHT?!?! LOL
MAYBE CAUSE DRAMA IF YOU WANT NARCISSISTS TO LEAVE YOU PUSSY
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No.104604
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No.104667
how about we just stop allowing furries to post on social media and cons to happen that would remove most narcissism
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No.104825
>say "I want to kill you" to a friend ironically
>they miss the meaning completely and tell me to fuck off and block me
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No.104841
>>104825
Meanwhile I made some kid in school so angry once he tried to paint the room with my guts. Somehow the friendship survived that, and I dunno why.
fat guy strength isn't just a meme
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No.105081
But if you remove the porn, the autismal "imaginary friend / imaginary super-me" fursonas and the fursuiting from the fandom, will there be anything left? Disney cartoons and animal mascot videogames from the 90s, is that all?
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No.105092
>>105081
a bunch people with neat art and storys about not-humans?
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No.105093
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No.105097
>>105081
people creating actual stories and worlds and discussing them.
people making media projects you can discuss and share in polite company
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No.105103
>>105081
>>105097
The porn, autismal imaginary friend/super me fursonas and fursuiting are why the fandom has stuck around for so long and continues to have conventions and active participation. There were plenty of similar fandoms to furry that all died off pretty quick once people just lost interest. Wheras furry had significantly more financial interests. (Fursonas/porn lead to artist/fursuit commissions which creates a feedback loop which generates more and more interest and demand in those things). I would also say because the fandom is so identity based it appeals to a certain kind of person that wants a space where he won't get judged for who he is.
There have been attempts to split the fandom off into non porn interests but these eventually die off because of just lack of interest. Normies aren't usually into anthros enough to care about making or paying for art for them. Since it's viewed as just kids shit. Any furry artist will tell you they would never get any commissions if they only did SFW art. This board /fur/ was initially no porn allowed but the vast majority of posts here are porn discussion related simply because that's what people want.
As much as you will go "UGH autists are fucking ruining the fandom" they're the reason why it's still around and probably why you first heard about it to begin with. And will probably still be in it long after you lose interest.
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No.105121
>>105103
The truth nobody wants to accept is that an alien species based on common canines/felines would be boring as fuck while scalies, birbs, lizards, sharks, orcas, dragons and the likes objectively make the most interesting ones.
Nobody wants to hear about someone's self-insert domestic cat hipster influencer fagsona with a dragon dildo up his ass living in the big city, drinking soy milk, pissing on the rug and vomiting furballs.
But everyone wants to hear about the tribal orca society and the handsome orca warriors that delve in the uncharted depths of the ocean, including normies.
>Any furry artist will tell you they would never get any commissions if they only did SFW art.
The issue is at the source. It's the teenage furfags with hormone imbalance exclusively consuming porn who are to blame for this.
If someone is a "furry artist" trying to do SFW-only, then they're deluded. They should stop being "furry artist" and start being just an "artist" who does lots of anthropomorphic creatures. Anyone can be a "furry artist" overnight, since the barrier of entry is so fucking low. Try being a competitive artist in the real word and people will flock to you (with real job offers, among other things) even if you exclusively do anthropomorphic stuff. And, you can charge furries out the ass too.
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No.105122
>>105121
P.S: the problem with common canines/felines is, of course, the fact that they make up >90% of furry "characters".
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No.105138
>artist increases commission prices by 30 dollars for no apparent reason except 'they are popular'
>calls it a 'slight' increase
>that's enough money to buy 2 nights of fresh produce
>call her out on this
>comment hidden
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No.105141
>>105138
it's a free market bitch
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No.105142
>>105141
free to be a retard who overprices art and will eventually come crashing down once your circle of autists gets bored of you and realizes they have better ways to spend their money?
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No.105143
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No.105144
>>105143
Well in that case I'm off to the grocery store to flaunt my organic produce in the artist's face!
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No.105147
>>105103
you frame my interest in the wrong way. between no fandom, and the fandom as it stands, i would take no fandom. at least then i could set out my interests freely without risking association with the kind of trust fund narcissists that hang around this community.
i want to be judged for my actions, not for the character i pay people to represent myself as. every time i remember this fandom exists a part of my soul dies as i realise the community based, DIY-spirited communities of nice, kind, helpful people i wish to inhabit will not only never exist, but can never be conceptually defended against a torrent of people who want to do whatever it takes to get money and then spend that money on papering over (or aestheticising) their antipathy to their fellow man.
tuck me in
let me die.
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No.105178
>>105147
>you frame my interest in the wrong way. between no fandom, and the fandom as it stands, i would take no fandom
Then leave. Many more people have wanted to extinguish the fandom and it hasn't happened and probably won't for the conceivable future.
>at least then i could set out my interests freely without risking association with the kind of trust fund narcissists that hang around this community.
>without risking association
is it just fear of judgement?
>the community based, DIY-spirited communities of nice, kind, helpful people i wish to inhabit will not only never exist, but can never be conceptually defended against a torrent of people who want to do whatever it takes to get money and then spend that money on papering over (or aestheticising) their antipathy to their fellow man.
Just make your own group if you think it'll be successful. Nobody's stopping you from doing that.
There is no conceivable way to remove furry from the people you dislike that inhabit it without creating a new group entirely. Similar to Monster girl enthusiasts and Bronies.
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No.105179
>>105178
>Then leave.
I cannot leave what I have never successfully joined.
>is it just fear of judgement?
no. judgement is of little concern, the problem is community quality. it isn't enough to find a new label, one must ensure little to no crossover with furry to avoid just being pulled into the orbit of the furry fandom and subject to the same social and commercial pressures.
>Just make your own group if you think it'll be successful
it won't be successful. every factor of the modern internet inside and outside furry count against that possibility. by all means defend the status quo, but accept what it means giving up and preventing from occurring. there is no happy middle ground where you can found an alternative community made up of separate people. the moment the community hits the critical mass to be a community, furries will come, first as a trickle then as a flood until what started as a community of ideas has become a community of egos.
the only safe groups are those of an immediate social circle. a proper community is impossible in contemporary circumstances.
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No.105225
>>105179
>defend the status quo
It's not "defending the status quo" what you're essentially wanting is utopian and not practical. It doesn't account for the reality that you're never going to find a mass group of normies who want to talk about cartoon people. Inorder for a group to remain alive and healthy it needs to have a steady intake of new members.
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No.105237
>>105225
you don't need a mass group, there are plenty of small communities. a lack of new members is a problem, but a more severe problem is being subsumed into a larger community with a different culture. both result in the destruction of the small community.
>what you're essentially wanting is utopian and not practical
it's no more impractical than the existence of this board back when /furry/ was a thing. i don't count myself optimistic enough to think it will come about, but people should confront that tautologically as with anything that doesn't exist: if we created it, it would exist.
digression: it would be interesting to see how a community built on the principles i hint at within the furry fandom as a sub-community would play out. if it didn't immediately fail from lack of interest, i can imagine it inspiring great and vocal distaste from those used to the status quo, despite the fact that the sub community could never usurp or alter the values or principles of the fandom as a whole because it's far less profitable to do so, meaning the market will prevent that outcome.
it's a revealing thought experiment at the least. one that (to me at least) further illuminates the importance of the immediate social circle. it would take some seriously abnormal circumstances for a group of friends outwith the fandom to draw the attention of furrydom, let alone find themselves displaced within their own social group. the costs of the public audience a community provides can easily outweigh the benefits.
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No.106023
>>90795
>anon posting as mod
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No.108268
I don't care about this thread
sage
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