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 No.84843>>84877 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

To all artists browsing here, what tips do you have for being a respectable and reliable person when running your online persona?

 No.84844

What I can think of off the top of my head

>have a consistant style

you can't advertise a quality of art in your gallery and then provide something totally differnet because you're "experimenting"

>have a commission queue

Or atleast tell your client when they can expect your art, don't just tell them it'll be done when it's done

>don't take money and then take a break

You don't get to be depressed and get paid at the same time, do your work

>communicate with your clients

your clients are your boss, if you don't like talking to them, that's your fault and you should have vetted any undesireable personalities before taking on the work, there are no clients from hell

>Don't post personal thoughts online, espeically political ones

You are the face of your business, I can't keep track of how many times I have been turned off from commissioning someone because they posted about their disgusting beliefs. Keep it to yourself


 No.84877

>>84843 (OP)

Not associating openly with the furry fandom.


 No.85017>>85045 >>85095 >>85144

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>Patreon

I don't like Patreon

There are two ways to run a Patreon and both of them harm you

The first way is through paywalling by

>offering rewards for different tier pledges

In the porn world there is nothing more annoying that cock teasing for money. You will make alot of money this way but you will piss off the majority of your viewerbase, see KaylaNa for example.

Also by hiding the content you produce, you limit the exposure you get for that content.

I've found artists through yiffparty posting art every week to patreon and never anywhere else and I had thought that they had quit the fandom long ago. When their patrons eventually move on, not enough will replace them and they will be in trouble then.

The second way is through using

>Patreon as a Tip-jar

Tip-jar isn't the right word, they wouldn't be able to do art as a living without this tip-jar so the right word is panhandling. You're begging for handouts to stay alive. This holds you permenantly at the bottom of the barrel no matter how good your art is. This strips you of any worth you may have had.

A plumber can demand exorbitant prices because who else is going to fix the gallons of water pouring out of your pipes? And as a furry artist, if you're providing a unique style and content, you should charge what it's worth.

There's also the issue of reciprocity. many furries are philanthropists, they enjoy giving lots of money to artists. If you offer high end commissions they might take one and earn you a few hundred dollars, but if you hold up a tipjar, they won't tip you a few hundred dollars, you'll be lucky to get $30 and that's where the reciprocity ends, You have a good chat with them and they'll want to 'pay' you back, and it's up to you to offer them a way to do that.


 No.85045>>85106

>>85017

>you'll be lucky to get $30 and that's where the reciprocity ends

If they pay that for 10 months (and let's be honest, plenty of furry artists would gladly throw you to the back of the queue so you wait that long for a commission), since patreon is recurring, then you'd make $300 even if you did much less work overall.


 No.85095>>85106

>>85017

>Do things wrong and you'll piss off 99% of people by being corrupt, but the 1% you sucker into doing it anyway will still make you ungodly wealthy

>Do things right and you'll make next to no money, be off the radar to 99% of people, and will impress the morals of 1% of people (who won't give you anything, anyway)

Why are people constantly surprised that the furry art business works like literally every other business in the world??


 No.85106>>85167

>>85045

That's a big if.

Very few patrons will pay 30 for absolutely nothing, most won't even pay 10 for high res art.

>>85095

>Why are people constantly surprised that the furry art business works like literally every other business in the world??

But it doesn't?

No big business relies on anything like patreon, because that scales poorly and ends up being a trap.

Even big furry artists can lose lots of money by pissing off people with paywalls, look at dogbone for example: dude lost like 75% of his patreon income after going DNP on e6, at that point any backpedaling and even changing art name couldn't save the situation, and now he gets less money from commissions and almost no money from patreon.


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>>85017

Yes, Patreon is a tip-jar like you mention. If you want to be pro, use PayPal, and teach the people who commission you their rights.

When I work I never accept tp be paid upfront, only once I am available I start and deliver the final work, then sell the person the final work, knowing that no commission is a real leave of the Author's Rights, only a form of license for your work.


 No.85167>>85175 >>85215

>>85106

>No big business relies on anything like patreon, because that scales poorly and ends up being a trap.

Why does it even matter when dime-a-dozen furshit "artists" make 200-400 thousand per year between commissions and Patreon?

In 3/4 years, they earned more than real artists make in their lifetime. Real artists being the guys making stuff like Jurassic Park and Zootopia.


 No.85175>>85183

>>85167

>Why does it even matter when dime-a-dozen furshit "artists" make 200-400 thousand per year between commissions and Patreon?

Idontthinksotim.avi


 No.85183>>85189

>>85175

>Fenoxo

>Fek

>Miles-df

Off the top of my head.

Cut the lewd out of these three absolutely worthless and talentless fucks' "work" and they'd be the laughing stock of the whole hr department if they were to apply for a real job in their respective "fields"

Instead, they're filthy rich, with oceans of brainlets ready to stand up for them against anyone who dares say anything bad about them, who adore them for how "skilled" they supposedly are. Tell Tim again how you don't think so.


 No.85189>>85195 >>85205

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>>85183

Until you can provide proof of your bullshit. Tim still doubts you!


 No.85195

>>85189

But that's Al Borland, as played by Bob Vila.


 No.85198>>85202

How does an artist make money without resorting to porn or propaganda? The market is saturated and the pay is low. What is the endgame of this market environment?


 No.85202

>>85198

>How does an artist make money

They generally don't. Hence the term "starving artist". Even daVinci only survived based off of commissions. His notebooks scribblings were completely valueless until centuries after his death.

Also, "propaganda" is completely the wrong term. The word you're looking for is "marketing", which absolutely everything needs to sell, even a little. A great product with bad marketing will make less than a garbage product with good marketing. With the right patter, one can even sell LITERALLY NOTHING to people, as with Ponzi Schemes.


 No.85205>>85207 >>85215

>>85189

>I can't into Google search so your argument is invalid.

I'm not doing your homework for you. I gave you three names, look them up if you have doubts.


 No.85207

>>85205

Burden of proof is on you.


 No.85215

>>85167

>Why does it even matter

Because the original question was "Why are people constantly surprised that the furry art business works like literally every other business in the world??"

Besides, fads bringing in ludicrous amounts of money for mediocre products are nothing new, clothing and fashion industries have plenty of them.

>Cut the lewd out of these three absolutely worthless and talentless fucks' "work" and they'd be the laughing stock of the whole hr department if they were to apply for a real job in their respective "fields"

You think other fields are not full of hacks and horribly incompetent higher ups?

>>85205

>I'm not doing your homework for you.

If you make a claim and googling proof is so simple, you should have done so.

"not my job to educate you" is a retarded position to hold.


 No.85227

>85215

>85207

>Here's your food, now eat it

>nuh-uh, you gotta feed it to me

No wonder you flock to mediocrity like flies to shit.

With that spoiled child attitude of yours it's no wonder this fucking fandom is all about celebrating and rewarding mediocrity and spitting on real effort and merit.


 No.85233>>85247

<<85227

>asking me to provide evidence for my point means acting like a spoiled child

Go back to furaffinity then kys.


 No.85247>>85303

>>85233

>all this fucking drama because you can't Google a fucking name

>lol I'm not a spoiled child

Of course you aren't.

First, I already have enough anger flowing through me and I don't need to deal with you acting like a fucking diva; second, I don't need to be reminded of the worthless crap and insufferable people furries empty their wallets over just because you're too precious to click on on the first Google result; third, if you're so fucking oblivious and unable to do your own research even when the path is already laid down for you then should I think your original claim has any more ground to stand on than mine does? You haven't provided any proof for your claims either. For all we know, all furry artists are making mad cash, even the shit ones and you're just false flagging in order to drive people away from a potential easy source of high income.


 No.85303>>85326

>>85247

>You haven't provided any proof for your claims either.

I haven't made a claim, I only asked you to post proof.

I already know how much those people make via Patreon because all it takes is one click from their YP page and right now fenoxo makes 32017 per month, but I still want you to stop being such a faggot and do what you should have done in your first post.

But you won't, because you're a drama whore that should stop posting and fellate a firearm.


 No.85326

>>85303

>purposefully turns away from the original point and derails thread into pointless shitflinging over a fucking formality

>you need to stop being a faggot

You need to stop telling other people to do what you should be doing instead.




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