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What do you think about Fredrik Knudsens take on the furry fandom?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aF2GxWi7Ag
Pretty interesting if you ask me. But I'm a lurker and always will be. I don't even know someone else who browses these forums. My take home message from the video is, that the degenerates won in the end. Sadly there were no rational opponents.
What the video didn't offer was an explanation for why gays are so prevalent in boards like this one.
▶ No.79807>>81407 >>88510
>44 minutes
fuck that noise
furry was doomed by two simple things
1. sex sells
2. furry is a community where selling is welcome, indeed celebrated, rather than reviled. (as with say paid mods in games.)
the cultural problem isn't being too tolerant, or too open minded, or anything like that. it's simply a natural consequence of market actions following the decision to allow the market to exist at all.
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>>79806 (OP)
I'll listen to it later, but your conclusion is right.
▶ No.79812>>79818 >>79819 >>79831 >>79846 >>81413
>>79806 (OP)
>What the video didn't offer was an explanation for why gays are so prevalent in boards like this one.
It's because there's very few women in it.
Furry has extremely few non transgender women. Ever since the 90s there's also been a massive push for "inclusivity" which is why there's so much sexual content and so much pro lgbt stuff. When you combine the two you see a lot of male homosexuality because that's what's encouraged. If there was a big normie push toward having more women in furry you'd see a massive shift way from homosexuality. You'd also see a big push away from porn and an influx of sfw only furry websites.
This is also why there's a huge amount of left wing politics in furry and why there's a massive cross section of people with mental disorders like autism. These people want a hugbox and went to furry because it's a fandom where you're not allowed to judge others.
Furry also didn't use to be like this. Sexual content didn't use to be the norm. Infact there was a movement in the 90s that pushed back against it called "The Burned Furs" who were furries that felt like the fandom was being taken away from them. They were characterized as bigots and have since been long forgotten. Their movement lost, and now they're not even remembered despite their history being very well documented.
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▶ No.79818>>79822
the abnormal element of furry is severely overstated
most furries are relatively normal people of the kind who inexplicably have a social circle despite being boring and having little individual appeal. (which is reflected in their fursonas, which manage to be utterly unique and yet completely forgettable.)
buying art of your character in a diaper is the 2018 substitute for a personality.
>>79812
>it's a fandom where you're not allowed to judge others.
▶ No.79819>>79829
>>79812
That was well explained in the video above ("Burned Furs")
I see that you are trying to create a connection between inclusivity and gay presence. I don't think that's the full picture. Even if gay stuff is encouraged and hetersexual stuff not, the sheer numbers just don't make sense. As you say, I think it is far more probable that everyone is encouraged to create and consume content the way he or she wants. You kind of acknowledged that.
What you're now left saying basically is, that there are so many gay furries and so few straight furrys here because there are so few woman. (Correct me if I'm wrong) This isn't an explanation. The Incel-Movement is almost entirely male. But they are not turning slowly gay, are they?
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>>79818
Not allowed to judge others under a specific social protected class*
▶ No.79823>>79883
This was one of his shittier DTRHs I think, didn't go deep enough into some topics and that Burned Furs chick is just an awful cunt to have to listen to and I hope wherever she ended up was/is a bad place where she was/is constantly unhappy. Same for the manlet that agreed with her.
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>>79819
And it's not even the gays the original burned furs had an issue with. It was the people having orgies in public and fucking their dogs that started it. It looks like people largely accepted the falsified "muh bigotry" version of that story up until this video.
▶ No.79831>>80125
>>79812
>This is also why there's a huge amount of left wing politics in furry and why there's a massive cross section of people with mental disorders like autism. These people want a hugbox and went to furry because it's a fandom where you're not allowed to judge others.
Many of the freaks in the fandom are right wing. Stop pushing propaganda in your posts.
▶ No.79840>>79853 >>79884 >>80125
>why gays are so prevalent in boards like this one
They're not. The difference is that they are a vocal minority, but unlike almost every other place, they aren't oppressed or censored. You're used to seeing almost zero gay content everywhere else in your life, so it seems unusually high here, when it's honestly less than a quarter of the total produced content (and basically none of the not-porn content). As for the actual people, there are very few homosexuals in the furry fandom; most of them are depraved bisexuals, both because it's a community that glorifies promiscuity, and because most of them are under 25 and still in the "will desperately fuck anything" phase of their life. The number of artists doing only straight art outnumber those doing only gay art.
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>>79812
>"The Burned Furs"
I thought it was just "Burn Furs".
Cant really find much info on them like you said, would you happen to have any archived anything?
▶ No.79853
>>79840
>gays
>being censored
>on modern megacorp internet
Definitely nothing to do with censorship, unless you're saying everyone else outside the LGBTQBBQTRON2.0 group gets censored even more on furry sites than other sites. I'd wager it's more the ratio of fags to normalfags is a bit higher due to it being a sausagefest for the most part even more so than the rest of the internet, even other niche communities. That, and far too many people seem to be incapable of not keeping their fetishes to themselves.
▶ No.79854>>79862 >>81414 >>89045
furry is full of gays because the dog heads take away male faces and then artists just draw basically female bodies, narrow shoulders and thick hips but with no tits and a cartoon dick. it's not even really being gay. i mean, it is, but it's not like if you masturbate to hardblush (which is barely furry as well lel) you'd actually have sex with a flesh and blood man with broad shoulders, a face that's never free of stubble, a body hairier than most furry characters and an arse like two encyclopaedias. it's just horny masturbation shit.
>b-but they've got an e-boyfriend!
an e-friend you mutually masturbate with may be gay as fuck but if you wouldn't actually dick them or let them dick you then it's just fantasy. embarrassingly gay fantasy, but fantasy.
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>>79854
Fair enough, but effeminate men are even gayer than normal gay.
▶ No.79863>>79864
It was really really interesting. I have to admit though, I was really just dismayed to hear that even back at the very first Furry Convention some degenerate showed up in hardcore bondage gear. At the moment, a lot of degenerates are complaining that hardcore bondage gear was banned, and they keep bringing up children for some reason in their arguments. Saying that children should be exposed to that stuff.
▶ No.79864>>79875
>>79863
>and they keep bringing up children for some reason in their arguments. Saying that children should be exposed to that stuff.
[citation needed] mostly to satisfy my need for atrocity tourism. Obviously I know someone, somewhere will advocate anything.
nearly every time I've seen people like that their angle is 99% of the time "Kids don't belong at conventions" and 1% "Kids won't understand the difference between a human pup and a furry anyway", never outright "Kids ought to see this."
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>>79864
>Kids won't know difference
That may be so but it doesnt mean they should be exposed to it. Just remember, the drag queens were always saying "oh kids won't know that wearing makeup and all that stuff is incredibly sexualized. They'll just think it's just playing dress up!"
I don't know what happened? The poor child they were parading around as the drag 8 year old was being molested by the drag queens, who are the very people who are saying that it wouldn't happen! so when they say oh they won't know the difference between hardcore bondage Kink play gear and a fur suit, just remember that's the exact same argument that the pedophiles are using to get close to their prey.
But yeah anyway here's one of them saying that children should be exposed to it, and another using the same argument as those drag queen pedophiles who molested that child.
▶ No.79876>>79878
>>79806 (OP)
I'm scared of the cringe so I will skip that one.
I'll just watch Sonicfox kicking some asses instead.
▶ No.79878>>79879
>>79876
Fortunately it's not very cringy. If furry was a letter in LGBFT then Fredrik Knudson would be an "ally". Watch it. It's worth the 45 minutes.
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>>79878
Currently. As always fascinating and well researched.
What a waste to see this amongst all that shit on Youtube.
▶ No.79881
All furries in this video look old and fugly. Maybe I'm fucking hot after all.
▶ No.79883
>>79823
Even if I agree with them to some point I hate their attitude. Being that ignorant, dumb and people that don't deserve it (hate for vegans) just makes me to want them to punch in the face.
▶ No.79884>>79885 >>79898
>>79840
> vocal minority
Except they are not as far as I can tell. Just look at the boards. Homosexual porn has a much higher quality and quantity than heterosexual por
The notion "Straight furries don't exist" became a meme of itself. Visit r/furryIRL if you want to know what I mean. One gay furry I was able to ask about it, said, that everyone else he knows was at least a little bit gay. That are enough indices that direct to the conclusion that there are way more gay than straight furries. It didn't some to be always like that if you consider the video from above.
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>>79884
Autocorrect
It didn't *seem* to be always like that if you consider the video from above.
▶ No.79891>>80121
>>79846
>Cant really find much info on them like you said, would you happen to have any archived anything?
It's literally the first hit on Google
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Burned_Furs
▶ No.79898>>79916
>>79884
>Homosexual porn has a much higher quality and quantity
Quality is subjective, so I won't speak of it. Quantity is demonstrably false; checking sites with robust tagging, such as e621, and you will find male/female porn outnumbers male/male by a large margin (last I checked, it was something like 70-75%).
As for memes, it's a meme because it's a lie. It's in the same vein as "there are no women on the internet". As I said, the vast majority of furries are bisexual, and no, being "a little bit" gay doesn't make someone gay. Otherwise being "a little bit straight" would make everyone straight. It's idiotic to think that way.
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>>79898
I agree with the quality, knowing that most popufurs are gay or at least bi.
▶ No.80121>>80126
>>79891
Oh thanks, i have no idea how i didnt see that.
Is that about all the info thats out there?
▶ No.80125>>88644
>>79831
Nah, they're very normal and chill.
I love your art if you've made it, keep it up
>>79840
Homo here, there's a lot of gays and I don't mind. Compare /fur/ with something like /fukemo/ to get a clear picture. Former has a lot of traffic.
▶ No.80126
>>80121
There's also the citations they use, like their old website that's on archive.org
there used to be more but some of it was scrubbed later. Like the creator of the organization had a wikifur account that was blanked on his request
▶ No.81406>>81408 >>81425 >>88505
I'm ashamed our fandom was founded by gross middle-age losers with no taste in art or fashion, but at least over the decades we've managed to turn it into something spicy and stylish.
▶ No.81407
>>79806 (OP)
I feel like there's a lot of the actual soul of it and a lot of what people have actually seen in it over the years and of how people have interacted with it over the years that he's missed just focusing on ~historical drama.~ That and the lip service he gives to how it's grown and changed in the last fifteen twenty years without actually really discussing how it's grown and changed in the last fifteen to twenty years.
>>79807
>44 minutes
This too. Having watched it, I feel like it's taken him a long time to say relatively little.
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>>81406
This is actually the message that I really feel Knudsen was getting at, aside from the way you meme on it. Everything that actually could have been spicy and stylish to have been found in furrydom over the last few decades is just swept out of sight in his discussion...
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>>81408
>over the last few decades
Before the last fifteen to twenty years, I mean.
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>>79812
>They were characterized as bigots and have since been long forgotten.
good
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▶ No.81425
>>81406
honestly would prefer a sad nerd fandom to what we've got now, full of people who're less interesting than randomised NPCs.
but then the sad nerds did this to themselves by drawing tits, really.
▶ No.88505
>>81406
Top portion please, the bottom portion is for degenerate freaks.
▶ No.88510>>88652
>>79807
The "tolerance" issue with furries isn't that it's "too tolerant" but rather it tolerates awful shit while condemning anything that doesn't fit into the narrow view of what furry is.
Rape someone or collect real cp? Furries won't care.
Critique a popufur or don't like the newest flavor of the month video game? Just empty your account and leave, you're fucked forever, they'll remember that shit like it was yesterday.
Also you only really matter to the fandom as a whole if you're popufur, if you have a couple hundred watchers you may as well not bother to fit in. And at this point becoming popufur is almost impossible because people only want to watch popufurs anymore, they don't pay attention to anything else. They watch 2000 artists at a time, generally anyone above a certain number of watchers and don't even have time to go through submission to fave shit anyway, and people need to watch that popufur to show the world they're also a fan, so the popufurs grow in fame while the new people just get lost.
Kink and cummies > personal choice or worth.
▶ No.88533>>88652
>Furry starts as a hobby between geeks
>A group moves in and starts injecting more and more degeneracy
The burned furs did nothing wrong.
▶ No.88577
>>88538
>plus it royally pissed off a few watchers.
Honestly, some watchers are not worth caring about: especially those that want you to keep making the same thing over and over without them even commissioning you.
More in general, if you are known for only making straight (or gay) art, it's normal for different stuff to be less popular at the start, because the target audience just isn't looking your way: this can be mitigated by having your stuff on e6, but unless you're hyper popular don't expect instant success when you deviate from your usual themes.
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▶ No.88644
>>80125
>there's a lot of gays
Not in my experience. From what I've seen, almost all furries (and everyone online as a whole) that claims to be "gay" is either a "will fuck anything that moves" bisexual, or is only into girlybois and traps.
▶ No.88652>>88654 >>88655 >>88669
>>88510
>Rape someone or collect real cp? Furries won't care
And yet the fandom has ostracized the few who've been arrested over CP, and serious rape claims are taken seriously.
>Critique a popufur
That's only because some of them have large fanbases, who'll hate on anyone who criticizes them because they're afraid their favorite creator of fap material might ragequit. The majority of the fandom doesn't do that, only the fanbase of each individual person.
>>88533
Well, yes and no. They did start with a good idea: attempting to stop people with esoteric and squicky fetishes from making it seem as though they were representative of the fandom as a whole. But then, the waters got muddy. A couple of members wanted homosexuals out of the fandom. A couple wanted all adult material out. A couple said some really nasty stuff. And down they went.
▶ No.88654
>>88652
So a grand total of six "bigots" was all it took for the idiots in charge of the conventions and websites to completely reject everything the group was trying to accomplish. It pales in comparison to the retardation going on today, but that was still an entirely idiotic judgement call.
▶ No.88655
>>88652
>They did start with a good idea: attempting to stop people with esoteric and squicky fetishes from making it seem as though they were representative of the fandom as a whole
that's a pretty stupid idea tbh.
trying to rank fetishes in the fandom is stupid. furry itself was a squicky fetish for long enough. if they'd actually wanted a SFW fandom they'd be much more sympathetic. (though their methodology was stupid and would still have failed.)
▶ No.88667
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gfkhou74ht84xdx/kaylablock.txt?dl=0
the fandom is a shitshow, at least by pasting this into your block user field you can keep some of the more questionable members from ever ruining your day
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>>88652
>And yet the fandom has ostracized the few who've been arrested over CP,
No they don't. They secretly wish laws against it would be abolished and gladly embrace any part of the fandom that makes cub porn. The staff have to pretend ot ban them to not look bad but I doubt they actually think the person is disgusting, what with Dragoneer and Toumal being pretty openly into kids.
>and serious rape claims are taken seriously
Zaush was brushed off, the victim shamed, false claims of "she was out to smear him" made, etc. I'd only imagine such claims seeing the person thrown out of the fandom if they were a non-popufur surrounded by drama
Yes, Zaush fucking did it.
If a monster tells a business owner to pay up or else their store gets smashed and their jaw broken, and they pay, you would say their decision to pay was not simply consent but an act of self-protection.
Zaush telling Ferality to put out or get beaten is the same. Her consent didn't matter at that point. Extortion is illegal for a reason.
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>>88669
mobster, not monster, but you get what the FUCK I mean!
▶ No.88671
>>88669
>The accusation against Judge Kavanaugh was brushed off, the victim shamed, false claims of "she was out to smear him for the liberal agenda" made, etc.
>Yes, Judge Kavanaugh fucking did it.
Same amount of evidence in both cases.
▶ No.88673
My issue with the furry fandom is contained right there, in those very words.
Furry fandom.
The true origins of furry is not the 80's, not the 60s,'not cartoon animals, and not ancient religions in Egypt, but animals themselves
Animals and nature are the true heart of the furry fandom, so if those concepts are ignored, the entire thing will rot from within and turn to shit. Utter shit..
So feral roleplay in the boring SFW sense is more productive than slutty humans fucking each other wearing dog ears, and then crying in loneliness at the lack of females. People gotta get back to their roots as animals.
It's not about the fandom. It's all about animals and nature.
▶ No.89045
>>79854
Welp, at least I'm a true homo I guess. Me and my boyfriend love this stuff. We aren't Arabian truck drivers though, maybe it doesn't count.