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A furry went on Louder with Crowder to talk about how loony the left has gotten in the fandom (and trust me, they have).
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>>76378 (OP)
>A furry went on Louder with Crowder
This needs to stop. Mixing Politics with the fandom is nothing but pure ultra-cringe.
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>>76378 (OP)
What episode was this?
▶ No.76384
that is like a new low for that asshat
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>>76378 (OP)
Based and redpilled
▶ No.76392
Here's the link. The video is a fucking retarted shhitshow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBMPW-0gYRw
▶ No.76393>>76425
>>76379
furry depends on cultural politics so that nobody will ever bring up the dubious economic politics of a community that purports to be for everyone but repeatedly sets income barriers to participation.
▶ No.76394>>76416
>>76379
^Fucking this, do you want the right to end up like left? cause shit like this is how it starts, we already got fags, cunts, inceles, and "content creators" attaching right to their fucking groups/lifestyles/causes, we don't need this shit, it leads to inclusionism, and right become lefties 2.0
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>>76379
You see, the problem with "don't mix politics with the fandom" is that the de facto status quo is far left. If all of the political shitflinging stopped right now and the dust settled, it would settle into cultural marxism.
Conventions would continue to have panels on gender pronouns.
Gatherings would continue to be held at gay bars.
Right wing viewpoints would continue to be banned from websites, and the people who hold them continue to be ostracized for nothing other than having opinions.
I sure wish that wasn't the case, but it is.
"Don't mix politics with the fandom" right now is codeword for "let leftism win". If we really want the fandom to return to neutral so that we can truly get politics out of it for good, that means moving the overton window to the right first.
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>>76387
based = smokes base IE does drugs
redpilled = agrees with /pol/
so yeah
▶ No.76409
>>76398
I miss the times where the fandom was just a bunch of autistic faggot losers masturbating to Warner Brothers cartoons and playing tabletop and PC games.
I mean, how can you screw that up even further?
▶ No.76416>>76431
>>76394
>No queers, women, or niggers allowed in the right-wing tree fort.
<Why are we slowly losing more ground every generation?
▶ No.76425
>>76393
>nobody will ever bring up the dubious economic politics
Not true, there's plenty of far-right (in an economic seance, not cultural sense) fury ancaps. Who are nothing but retards.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh5fUEtDdwOAj59f6FvDGWw
>>76398
>is that the de facto status quo is far left.
Bullshit. Most furries are socialists/communists. Most know if they wouldn't do well in a Eastern Block style society.
▶ No.76426>>76520
>>76398
>Conventions would continue to have panels on gender pronouns.
This isn't "far-left" this is liberalism, which is an anti-communist ideology.
>>76398
>Gatherings would continue to be held at gay bars.
Plenty of my conservative friends are gay and go gay bars. Haw are gay bars right wing?
>>76398
>Right wing viewpoints would continue to be banned from websites, and the people who hold them continue to be ostracized for nothing other than having opinions.
The furry ancap population is exploding
>>76398
>"Don't mix politics with the fandom" right now is codeword for "let leftism win". If we really want the fandom to return to neutral so that we can truly get politics out of it for good, that means moving the overton window to the right first.
t McCarthy
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>>76416
They are on a really high horse for being faggots, right?
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>>76398
You're right about it (no pun intended). It's not that the fandom is meant to gravitate towards liberalism, it's that liberals would continue push it leftward while the right abides by the rule of not inserting their politics.
I don't get why people make a big deal out of ostracization from the far-left. Friendships come and go, there's nothing is preventing you from making new friends with those who share your interests. It sucks that some would be petty enough to break decade old ties (it happened to me a few times), but it's a sign of them not being reliable friends to begin with. If anyone is dropping you for what you represent instead of what you do, then it's better for those people to drop you in the long run.
Anyway, you're not going to push it right-ward by hosting podcasts. You have to do same actions that liberals do, but go above and beyond with it. Like do completed visual projects with right-leaning politics in it. You don't need to make it discriminatory either. Firearms and genetics are very inclusive and interesting to everyone for instance. Heck, right-wing politics would be interesting for world building because they've rarely been done before.
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>>76398
Wow, it's almost like the natural status for a group of libertine sexual deviants is a left wing one, HOW CAN THIS BE???
Fucking confurvatives are delusional.
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>>76442
Naylor isn't a conservative retard. He's always been a libertarian.
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>>76433
>I don't get why people make a big deal out of ostracization from the far-left.
Because the people you call "far-left" aren't far-left. They aren't Communists. Far-Left like the word Nazi isn't a word to use lightly.
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>>76443
>Libertarians aren't just gay conservatives in disguise
▶ No.76446>>76447 >>76448
>Socialists and Communists
>not Left
Is this the Bizarro timeline?
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>>76433
>it's that liberals would continue push it leftward while the right abides by the rule of not inserting their politics.
pfffthaha bullshit, expect rightfags to insert muh cultural markerism conspiracy shit everywhere it will suit their purpose. Cultural markerism doesn't exist for the sole fact that it has no content, none of the autists who push the conspiracy narrative can even reach a unified definition. If you ask several aut right what it means you get a ton of different answers. It's just their version of the SJW's buzzword of 'triggering' but they don't want to associate themselves with rainbow-hairs. Just mentally replace 'cultural marxism' with 'triggering' every time you see it pop up and you'll get an idea of the narrative.
>>76446
Amerimutt detected.
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>>76448
Cultural marxism is the belief that everyone is equal by virtue of the fact that notions of "good" and "bad" are universally subjective and therefore anything, regardless of content or quality, is exactly as valid and wonderful as anything else. This is how they rationalize a sheboon screeching about da white devil as being on par with French cooking or German scientific advancement.
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>>76449
That has literally nothing to do with Marx, that's just retarded liberalism.
Marx was an Epicurean Materialist revising Hegel's dialectical analysis of history. In other words, an antimoralist and external realist.
What you're describing is a social relativist moral realist misreading of people like Foucault.
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>>76445
They aren't conservatives for not endorsing your ideology, retard.
>>76448
Looks like you adopted your talking points from dumb socialist youtubers. Same song and dance revolving around:
>"Cultural Marxism doesn't exist despite the Frankfurt school existing! CHECKMATE RIGHT WINGERS. Even then SJWism isn't literal MARXISM at all."
First off, cultural Marxism isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a pejorative used to describe left-wing leaders (liberals) entering into influential positions of power like the entertainment industry and academia.
Whether it has anything to do with actual Marxism or not doesn't matter because people inaccurately label political positions all the time. A famous example would be idiots from your political camp frequently using "Nazi" as a slur towards those who have an anti-illegal immigration stance. Despite those people not identifying as National Socialist Germans who adhere to Nuremberg laws while invading territory.
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>>76451
>Whether it has anything to do with actual Marxism or not doesn't matter because people inaccurately label political positions all the time.
>GRUG NOT CARE IF GRUG WORD GOOD, GRUG ONLY CARE IF GRUG OWN LIBTARD TRIBE EPIC STYLE
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>>76450
Well I'm not the one who believes in it boyo, nor am I the one who named it. Sometimes things get imperfectly labeled, that's how language works.
Besides, you leftists are notorious for failing to agree on definitions, instead rearranging terminology to suit your personal worldview as convenient. *cough* not real communism *cough*
Now why don't we settle this the furry way, with a McDonalds happy meal and a gradual replacement of your insides with pure, white aryan nut butter
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>>76453
>*cough* not real communism *cough*
I'm sorry if your exposure to leftism is fuckin' woke-twitter but rad-libs get crucified for that shit.
>McDonalds happy meal
That's neither vegan nor healthy, unethical and gross tbh
>pure, white aryan nut butter
Decent political praxis, tbqh fam
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>>76452
I don't throw it as a pejorative myself, but I don't care when my side uses it because you don't police your side for inaccurately using "Nazi" frequently. Frankly, what they're calling you is less worse and hyperbolic than being accused of a genocidal murderer for saying that you want borders enforced.
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>>76456
I think you're misusing "sides" here, honestly. You're equating us (leftists, communists, socialists, etc, I'm in the Leninist camp, personally) with liberals, a ubiquitous, nearly apolitical sort of mongrel sub species of human. Real "BING BING WAHOO" types, they're the ones that through around Nazi and lolberts and conservatives, a Nazi is a national socialist, if someone backs national socialist policy it's fair to call them a Nazi.
Steven Molyneux, for instance, is not a Nazi, just a weird ancap.
Donald Trump is not a Nazi, (though some he consorts with likely are)
Lauren Southern likely is, given she pretty much advocates for a white ethnostate.
Richard Spencer I would feel very comfortable calling a Nazi, as even he pretty much self IDs as one.
Storm-niggers even more so.
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>>76459
>if someone backs national socialist policy it's fair to call them a Nazi.
That's like saying that it's fair for people to use "cultural marxism" towards feminists since Marx promoted class equality and denounced the patriarchy.
People aren't Nazis for supporting Nazi policies like animal rights law, ethnostates (the founding fathers endorsed that ideal along with other wwii allies), or stricter immigration law. They're only Nazis if they willingly genocide a demographic and advocate for National Socialism by name.
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>>76462
>That's like saying that it's fair for people to use "cultural marxism" towards feminists since Marx promoted class equality and denounced the patriarchy.
Mark single handedly kicked the feminists out of the 3rd worker's international, fam. Engels wrote some about how capitalism commodifies aspects of the family unit but neither were opposed to "traditional" families.
>People aren't Nazis for supporting Nazi policies
Eeeeeeeeh, if it's integral to NSDAP ideology then it's fair, for instance:
>animal rights
This has nothing to do with their ideology, it just so happens Hitler was a vegetarian
>ethnostates
This is integral to their ideology which, whether the weird space Jews version or the basic ethno-nationalist variety are a fundimental core of their beliefs, if someone shares that they're at least a sort of Nazi.
>Muh founding fathers
America is a nation of degenerates and should be burned
>stricter immigration law
This is not core Nazi ideology, it's just similar to a policy they had. If you're a conservative and just want a blanket stricter vetting system you're not a Nazi.
> They're only Nazis if they willingly genocide a demographic and advocate for National Socialism by name.
That's VERY tenuously criterian, simply put, not even the Nazis themselves talked about the genocide explicitly until it was exposed, Hitler said some shit in speaches about the destruction of the International Jewish Cliques but that's a far cry from genocide.
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>>76466
>Eeeeeeeeh, if it's integral to NSDAP ideology then it's fair, for instance:
Do you define integral" by "enforced" because those policies were enforced.
>America is a nation of degenerates and should be burned
You've misunderstood me, I stated that ethnostates weren't invented by Hitler. It was a stance that non-nazi countries like the US and Israel had. I personally define the "Nazi" as a violent means to obtain one since they invaded Poland and other countries in Europe.
>That's VERY tenuously criterian, simply put, not even the Nazis themselves talked about the genocide explicitly until it was exposed, Hitler said some shit in speaches about the destruction of the International Jewish Cliques but that's a far cry from genocide.
You're right about it not being a talking point, but they acted on that infamous position. It's why I think no one can compare others to them unless if they specifically identify as one.
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>>76475
>Do you define integral" by "enforced"
No, I define integral as a core aspect of the ideology of the NSDAP, Aryan ethnonationalism.
> I personally define the "Nazi" as a violent means to obtain one since they invaded Poland and other countries in Europe.
Nazi, it seems more to me, is shorthand for a participant in fascist ideology, the NSDAP were certainly fascist before the invasion of Poland.
> It's why I think no one can compare others to them unless if they specifically identify as one.
I think it's fair to shorthand someone as a Nazi if their policy logically results in camps, genocide, etc, which ethnic nationalism of essentially every flavor inevitably would unless it's completely non-retro active and even that results in camps, America has camps for non-whites right now, have had them for years and they're not even close to ethnic nationalists yet.
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>>76476
>America has camps for nonwhites
Are you one of those people that believes detaining ILLEGAL immigrants for ILLEGALLY entering the country = shoah shower fun camps?
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>>76477
No, obviously not. However, denying that one, it IS a camp for non-whites (and not all illegals either, since the protocol of no tolerance they've subjected asylum seekers, a presidentialy normal and previously legal practice, to the same treatment) and usually from nations that the CIA has worked it's "Magic" in. These camps are obviously not deaths camps or even concentration camps classicaly said but given the uprising of nationalist fervor among the mutts who knows what happens next.
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>>76490
Americans are the only people retarded enough to believe that capitalism and libertarianism are compatible.
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>>76449
>>76453
the name "cultural marxism" is redundant given this is just the lazy stereotypical interpretation of post-modernism with nothing to do with Marxism or even the Frankfurt School.
The awareness that systems of morality are often culturally determined does not immediately mean that we should cast morality to the wind, any more than the fact that the fact systems of currency are similarly culturally determined means i can swap a rai stone for an iPhone.
Ironically for all the shit postmodernism gets, the key feature of postmodernism - awareness of and skepticism towards metanarratives - is a universal feature of modern life to the point of being considered common sense. If I told you it's guaranteed that liberalism and liberal democracy will prevail in the end (whig history), that capitalism will inevitably move into socialism (Marxism), that the white man has a duty to take over and civilise Africa (White man's burden), that we'll inevitably start living on the moon and that science is going to solve all our political problems (Post-WW2 modernism), and so on, you'd rightly be incredulous. If I suggested we give these certainties great influence in our society - as has happened in the victorian era, much of the early 20th century, victorians again, and the 1950s-70s respectively - you'd think I was mad. That's the postmodern take. You're aware I'm trying to sell you a story, and you don't trust me.
And if after all that you've still got an instinctive revulsion to the word postmodernism, let me pose a question: Why does everyone who hates post-modernism never ask why modernism went away? despite all I've just said looking like a defence of postmodernism it's really just an explanation of what it is. I accept the postmodernist contention that we live in postmodernity - after modernism has ended - but I regard myself as a modernist holdout nonetheless.
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>>76478
You're worried about people who you see as worthless mutts having a nationalist uprising that purges almost half the population for being too tan?
I doubt that's going to happen, people are clearly getting fed up with libshits, but even entertaining the thought of brown genocide is laughable when the most popular right wing figures don't even advocate for an ethnostate, much less outright massacres of their rivals.
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>>76501
>Worried
Not really, it would be funny as fuck, honestly.
Especially since it would make every country barring Israel the defacto enemy of the US, meaning we might even see the destruction of Israel on the tail end of that.
Completely unrelated:
You ever think Gamma wanted Shun to just be a full on shota but the rest of the dev team cucked him? That's the only reason I can think of for the 16 year old midget.
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>>76490
t. Retard who doesn't know what libertarianism is.
They are fully anti-government intervention.
>>76478
Not all illegals are non-white and we never had a holocaust with Japanese internment camps.
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>>76513
Tell me, friend, whom is the true libertarian? Does he live with the True Communism or the True Scott'sman?
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>>76449
It's really telling of your persecution comples that you believe anyone who thinks you're full of shit and anyone who hates nazifagism must be a "jew."
>>76449
>Cultural marxism is the belief that everyone is equal by virtue of the fact that notions of "good" and "bad" are universally subjective and therefore anything, regardless of content or quality, is exactly as valid and wonderful as anything else
What you're describing is cultural relativism, invented by Franz Boas, ethnic Aryan. How does this relate to a critique of capitalism, faggot?
>>76451
>A famous example would be idiots from your political camp frequently using "Nazi" as a slur towards those who have an anti-illegal immigration stance
I'm not a liberal, you nigger. I'm a post-left anarchist.
>>76453
>Besides, you leftists are notorious for failing to agree on definitions, instead rearranging terminology to suit your personal worldview as convenient. *cough* not real communism *cough*
<BUT THIS ISN'T REAL CAPITALISM!!!!!!1
>>76492
Unfortunately. You need a state to uphold a free market but there's no restriction preventing that state from collaborating with corporations to fuck over the market and the people.
>>76500
Post-structuralism > Post-modernism
tbqh witchu famalam
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>>76426
>replying to the same post 4 times
>being this new
>muh McCarthyism
McCarthy did absolutely nothing wrong.
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>>76520
>McCarthy did absolutely nothing wrong.
T. Brainlet
Enjoy getting violently lynched when the political majority stops agreeing with you.
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>>76529
>T. Brainlet
t. cuckchanner who can't even into t.
you don't even know what he did, do you?
I bet you think it was "HURR DURR MUH WITCH HUNTS XDDDDDD."
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>>76378 (OP)
God what a fucking hideous looking 'fursuit.'
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>>76519
It's a term for people who essentially apply marxist methodology to items of social concern.
It's really more an issue of post-modernism, though.
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>>76517
They don't support federally mandated tax cuts as they're full autismo about decentralization. So autismo that they argue for the removal of federal health regulations as they think it causes an increased cost in health care.
I think their ideology is impractical as I'm right-wing, but he got a fundamental part of their ideology wrong.
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>>76540
>They don't support federally mandated tax cuts as they're full autismo about decentralization.
Didn't this loop back around into supporting federal income tax cuts the moment the "starve the beast" strategy was invented? If you want to decentralise, crippling the central administration is a good way to start. in theory anyway, in practice you just run deficits until the cows come home.
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>>76530
>you don't even know what he did, do you?
>witch hunts
That is precisely it. Many of the accused lost their jobs, some were deported, others imprisoned on what basically amounts to hearsay and persecution based on political beliefs, which is un-constitutional. People were in hysteria, reporting one another as communists or terrorists and in more rural areas basically continuing the good old tradition of kangaroo courts and other persecution. This is well shown in the film Trumbo, although Trumbo seriously tones down how bad it really was for these people.
You sound like that faggot Superraptor on deviantart who spends his time shilling on rightwing and leftwing posts, screeching the same shit, yet ready to crucify the left for doing what is essentially the same thing.
Get a grip on your hypocrisy.
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>>76541
They don't support destruction of the system, they just think that the two should remain uninvolved when it comes to corporations.
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>>76550
Communists did that to those who didn't align with their beliefs though.
▶ No.76555>>76565 >>76567
>All this disinformation and confusion in this thread
Looks like it's time to take the Stalinpill.
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>>76554
>Communists did that to those who didn't align with their beliefs though.
But McCarthy didn't?
Also the communists main victims were the nazis or people who were linked to counter-revolutionary activity.
▶ No.76565
>>76513
>Ah, if I say the correct answer, which I am uncomfortable with and refuse to accept, but in the funny voice, they will never suspect that it in fact the right answer
G E N I U S
>>76535
"Marxist methodology" is Epicurean Materialism, anti-moralism and external realism applied to the dialectical method of analysis. Please explain how feminists saying there are 20 billion genders complies with any of these.
>>76540
>They don't support federally mandated tax cuts
But they literally do, fren.
>>76554
This proves Mcarthy didn't how, exactly?
>>76555
Based
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>>76555
Communism is so great, every single time it has been tried it has lead to authoritarian state purges while the common people starve - at best having to end up in bread lines and at worst mass scale death and cannibalism
But hey, lets try it one more time, my liberal arts college professor in california told me its good
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>>76567
>mass scale death and cannibalism
Cite a single fucking source lmao
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>>76567
>Purges are inherently bad, especially in regime change and revolution where you can hardly gather who to trust
>Putting down reactionary uprisings with force for the sake of promoting the general welfare of all within the nation is bad now
>The allegorical bread lines which were totally real
>College bourgeois liberalism is Marxism now
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>>76569
>What is the holodomor
>What is The great leap forward
>What are the Khmer Rouge Killing Fields
Here is an article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4076244/Distressing-photos-1920s-Russian-famine-turned-hopeless-peasants-cannibals-five-million-people-starved-death.html
And here is something more educational: https://mfa.gov.ua/mediafiles/files/misc/2017-11-01/book02.pdf
Are you going to continue and be a holodomor denier?
>>76570
>Purges are inherently bad
They are, unless communists are being purged
>The allegorical bread lines which were totally real
Why are you a holodomor denier?
Oh right, because you're a retard, unlike you my parents and grandparents actually lived in communist eastern europe and remember the breadlines very well.
Move to Venezuela or North Korea if communism works so well
Pinochet did nothing wrong
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>>76574
>le based helicopter man amirite guys?
It's pretty bad for your position to oust yourself as someone who gets their "education" solely through /pol/ memes. I recommend you actually read up on what you think is good and what you think is bad before you actually form an opinion on them. If you don't, you're only hurting yourself.
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The absolute state of /fur/
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>>76567
>copy-pasted the most cliche bullshit set of accusations about communism.
>no sources
>thinks the Frankfurt school is socialist
Roarey, is that you?
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>>76579
1. name a communistic state that exists today.
2. do you live in it?
3. why not?
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>>76574
>a drought that killed like 3 million in the entire country
>the last famine China ever had
>Literally funded by the CIA
The state of anti-communism
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>>76583
ah yes the classic its Americas fault communism doesn't work rigamaroo, i love this one.
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>>76577
>Not even a simple denial about either of these three events
>not moving to Venezuela or North Korea
>here, have these pathetic leftypol memes, now educate yourself
Communist ability to debate is as good as their ability to feed their populations and national stability
>>76579
>The Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance is not a source, all those photos and witness testimony events from people who lived in communist systems aren't real
Even holocaust deniers do a better job at not embarrassing themselves
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>>76582
As communism refers to a society which is stateless and with common property of production, there are no such states existent today, or even states which purport to seek such a society by any means. Keep in mind that the West, especially America, really did bust the world's ass in doing anything to prevent ideological competition, including installing puppet governments in Iran, Nicaragua, Chile, and others on top of attempting to use war to achieve their means (Vietnam, Libya, etc.) Capitalist powers are the established ones and so have more resources to spend on attacking their opponent, and so naturally have had the advantage. If you're interested in the more prominent communist societies which there were then you could start by looking into Makhnovschina, which lasted a couple years before being defeated militarily by several world powers, but which was otherwise stable, however uncentralized.
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>>76378 (OP)
>/fur/
>only nazis
>communism denial
Holy shit I got it now, we're being overrun by Russians who are throwing a tandrum because of all the Zabivaka porn.
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>>76586
Yes, it is all the americans faul that at no point in time your brand of anarcho communism has ever been tried and didn't fail utterly.
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>>76585
>Not knowing the "communist" Khmer Rouge was supported by the USA
>Venezuela and North Korea are "communist" because Murka said so
>They're doing poorly solely because of their own deeds and not any (((intervention)))
>Implying I didn't mean those memes to be consumed as a primary into actual reading material
You should do best and actually start reading, and if possible, thinking.
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>>76582
1. The DPRK
2. No.
3. They don't let muts in
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>>76589
I never said I was anarcho-communist. In fact, I said at the end that one of its faults was its decentralization, hence inability to project itself beyond its given territory. Go read up on American military and economic interventions if you believe America dindu nuffin.
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>>76590
>Venezuela and North Korea say they're doing communism
>All nation states say Venezuela and North Korea are doing communism
>It isn't communism because it isn't my specific brand of communism
Bonus footage
>I made those pathetic memes and rhetoric quotes so people totally check out the sources
You could at least try and make it not fucking pathetic and list communist achievements. HAHAHAHAHA
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>>76592
Nobody is defending or even denying the the USA had disastrous and invasive foreign policy, but to claim that communism has failed only because of hostile interventions is fucking retarded.
Every country in history had to deal with that
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>>76582
1) Cuba, Burkina Faso and a few others, Yugoslavia (until recently)
2) No
3) moving expenses + the fact that the sanctions the place economically. Yugoslavia got bombed apart by NATO.
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>>76594
>Venezuela and North Korea say they're doing communism
>All nation states say Venezuela and North Korea are doing communism
I'm going to need some sources for that. You can't just make an empty claim without directing me to relevant evidence.
>It isn't communism because it isn't my specific brand of communism
When did I ever say that?
In my memes at least, there's something to look up and read up upon, but when you start fabricating claims there's nowhere to go because without the proper evidence, they're as good as false. It could be said that the Soviets faked their numbers, but regardless they ended up radically advancing the nation such that it became a world superpower that did most of the work in defeating Germany on top of virtually beating the USA in the space race.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1930/03/02.htm
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>>76378 (OP)
I haven't seen a fucking furry pic in decades yet those threads still aren't deleted. I bet the mods are back to /furry/, they go whereever the scum currently isn't.
▶ No.76602>>76624
>>76596
Of course, every country has had its adversaries, but some much more than others. Compare being on an island halfway across the world from any threats, coupled with lots of natural barriers, compared with being in the middle of the fighting and having just miles and miles of rolling fields.
▶ No.76604>>76606 >>76616
>>76585
>Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance
That site is a load of debunked rubbish
>photos
send me one cunt, its proven that about 90% of photos claimed to be from the hunger of 1932 are actually from the 1922 famine which encompassed a good portion of Eurasia, from Kazakhstan to Bulgaria and Poland, the latter two NOT being under soviet control at the time. In 1932 millions of people died in the USA from starvation under similar circumstances, but no-body blames the government because "famines happen"
Your arguments are failed attempts to appeal to authority.
>moving to Venezuela or North Korea
When you're losing an argument
>as good as their ability to feed their populations and national stability
LOL
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/09/health/champions-for-change-child-hunger-in-america/index.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5.pdf
▶ No.76606>>76610 >>76612
>>76604
Out of curiosity, could you tell me why that Ukrainian site is considered debunked? I think they would be biased in telling about the Holodomor, but not inherently to be discredited.
▶ No.76607
>>76601
Shhhhhhh, it's OK big guy.
▶ No.76609>>76624
>>76594
>Venezuela and North Korea say they're doing communism
Venezuala has NEVER claimed to be communist or socialist
>All nation states say Venezuela and North Korea are doing communism
Until the past few years Western media has reported Venezuala as capitalist with socialist tendencies. As soon as the crisis hit (a crisis that has links to CIA intervention, something South America is very familiar with), they called it "muh failed communist state".
Building a strawman and then claiming no true scotsman fallacy to those who debunk said strawman is just being a faggot... then again this IS /fur/
▶ No.76610>>76614
>>76606
Nothing. He just doesn't want to feel the same guilt he inflicts onto others.
▶ No.76612>>76620 >>76624
>>76606
I've seen that site come up many times by people who don't understand research on that time period.
That site is more than biased it is a slightly more subtle version of "Victims of Communism" except for Ukrainian Nationalists. Don't believe me? Well it is no coincidence that the CIA hired ex OUN UPA members (ukrainian nazis linked directly to jewish mass-grave executions like Babyi Yar)
to write stories about that time period. Any serious historian be it J.Arch Getty, Naumov or Zemskov does not consider that event an "intentional genocide of Ukrainians by evul Stalin" most importantly because the majority of it was caused by outside forces and affected far more than Ukrainians in the USSR. See this https://www.quora.com/Was-Holodomor-a-Genocide-or-a-crime-against-humanity/answer/Chuck-Garen
it is a good summary of the entire issue with direct sourcing.
▶ No.76616>>76621 >>76624
>>76597
>The holodomor didn't happen because Stalin didn't kill over 60 million
Retard, nobody here claimed that Stalin killed 60 million.
However the publicly recorded executions alone are 1 million, plus the 3 million publicly recorded from the gulags and another million from the kulak shitshow it is an absolute bare minimum of 5 and certainly goes 4 times that.
>read a book bro
>educate and think for yourself
>here are some leftypol screencaps and counters to claims nobody here made written by some mad commie on the equivalent of yahoo answers
>>76604
>That site is a load of debunked rubbish
oh no, a commie on a furry thread says the holodomor didn't happen, I guess all those Ukranians will have to change their history books now.
>Communism isn't that bad, because the USA still has hungry children! Here is a CNN link saying so
Those poor fucks on their mobility scooters, unable to move their 300 pound bodies from food deprivation.
>>76608
Communism worked so well for the USSR that it collapsed in on itself from sheer success
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>>76617
>socialism would work if it wasn't for those burgers!
jej
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▶ No.76621>>76623 >>76625
>>76616
Oh no five million people, when 20 million die every year of preventable cause under capitalism, truly communism is BTFO
▶ No.76622
<Every country recognizes the Holodomo-
▶ No.76623>>76628
>>76621
do those same people not also die under communism? whoa, capitalism totally btfo
▶ No.76624>>76629
>>76616
>Retard, nobody here claimed that Stalin killed 60 million.
retard, read the argument made not the question asked, it's an explanation of the numbers and debunk of the crimes, inattentive fuck.
> the publicly recorded executions alone are 1 million
False, the official number of ORDERS for execution was just over 800,000. HOWEVER only 600,000 were carried out, o.6 million and 1 million is a large difference. literally the entire argument you just made is covered in said source, but you wouldn't know that because you're a spazfag you looked at the title and began flipping out. YOU read a book, you asinine ignoramus, the answer quite literally cites books by respected and renowned historians who are appraised by the world for their objectivity.
>some leftypol screencaps
If you read what was written in said screencaps maybe you'd wouldn't have posted the idiocy you just stated.
>a commie on a furry thread says the holodomor didn't happen
See >>76612
>I guess all those Ukranians will have to change their history books
Robert Conquest, famed writer of "Harvest of Sorrow" admitted that the hunger of 1932 was NOT a genocide of Ukrainians or a genocide at all. Robert Conquest was a well-known anti-communist who worked for MI-6's propaganda division and wrote his books on said material. So please do tell me about the Ukrainians some more, why don't you. It's not like I actually know people there or study history or anything, twat.
>the USA still has hungry children
1) it't a meme
2) the USA has millions of homeless people, and people living in abject poverty despite being "number 1" meanwhile in Soviet Russia the average caloric intake was HIGHER than the USA, without being fat fucks.
>
Communism worked so well for the USSR that it collapsed in on itself from sheer success
>shilling this hard
LOL. The USSR held up for over 70 years and 3 generations against a constant onslaught of global capitalism, all while having to grow and industrialize on an economic base as small and undeveloped as an African state, and built up massively to rival the USA. literally see
>>76609
>>76602
>>76608
▶ No.76625>>76646
>>76621
>Communists can't feed their people, bread is a scarce commodity leading to starvation while the authoritarian state throws people into gulags and does public executions for anybody even daring to mention the famine
>Capitalists are so fucking fat they can't leave the house and die from obesity, smoking and idiocy from their own personal choices, when they become 80 year old boomers who still haven't fucking retired
damn, i guess we gotta give a communism one more try
▶ No.76627
>>76600
Just in pure relation to your .jpg with the USSR and USA, both countrys used german scientists with advanced rocketry knowledge that they BOTH stole from ww2 endings.
Thanks germans.
▶ No.76628>>76631 >>76632
>>76623
The nations in which there were socialist revolutions were generally poor to begin with, which prompted their revolutions in the first place. Of course, they didn't have enough resources to feed people of other nations, but despite this they still tried to help each other out against the powers that wanted to destroy them. Capitalist nations, however, were content in reveling in their own luxury at the expense of others, only providing aid where it further benefits themselves.
▶ No.76629>>76636 >>76645 >>76646
>>76624
>Dude those numbers are totally inaccurate, 200k less people were executed, because they didn't actually carry out those executions
Are you saying communism is so pathetic that they can't even do that anymore?
>The holodomor didn't happen, it was all just foreign propaganda, trust me, here are some leftypol memes
Yuri Bezmenov was completely right about you lunatics
>meanwhile in Soviet Russia the average caloric intake was HIGHER than the USA, without being fat fucks.
Guess standing in a breadline all day makes you slim down, look at this healthy child!
▶ No.76631
>>76628
oh...
so all those preventable deaths weren't prevented under socialist revolutions?
▶ No.76632
>>76628
>Socialists countries were poor before they became socialist
>Capitalist countries were rich as fuck before they became capitalist
an amazing understand you have of the world there, tankie
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>>76550
>implying any of that happened
▶ No.76634
>>76529
Literally every single person that McCarthy accused of being a communist was one.
▶ No.76636>>76637
>>76629
>Here's a pic of a starving Soviet child
>That means the Soviet Union is a failure
Brainlet-tier "argument"
▶ No.76637>>76639 >>76642
>>76636
I thought communism was all about eliminating hunger and saving those hungry children, how can a child be starving in a communist system then?
▶ No.76639>>76644
>>76637
Socialist programs such as collectivization have increased the quality of life for the people of the Soviet Union, lengthening their lives and industrializing the nation. It's not magic, however, as the country is still based in the same geography that impoverished it to begin with. Regardless of the policies which are implemented, the Soviet Union will still have summer bogs and winter freezing -- those things are imaginably very difficult to change. However, consider the alternative -- for Russia to have remained as it were, suffering the full force of every famine, which before collectivization came every ten years. After the program matured, however, there was not a single major famine in the USSR after 1947, and even at that one it was suffered largely as a result of the war.
▶ No.76640>>76644
>>76620
First source: site with a clear bias dedicated to this faux event. shows a video of supposed victims with no identification, no nothing. I too can take some random old people give them some lines and film them. That's not how research works!
Source Two: Translated by Stephen Bandera
Stepan Bander was one of the founders of the OUN UPA, the Ukrainian Nationalist group that willingly helped the Germans eradicate Jews and brutalize the soviet population. His 'translations' are questionable at best. Secondly I read the supposed translations and ther is no link or anything else to the original documents. I have read original documents on the otherhand, inclusidng several state there, mostly because I do RESEARCH, not cherry-picking. the Translations are straight up wrong, inserting words and phrases that did not exist in the original text, changing the context of the whole thing.
Third Source: the Ukrainian Canadian congress was founded by ex-OUN UPA members. That's like trusting Stormfront to be objective on jews.
Source four: The guy doesn;t even use primary sources and the ohotos he references have been debunked repeatedly by actual historians. They were part of the Ammended and Hearst news series, (literal nazis) who took photos from the 1922 Volga famine and other famines in Europe and claimed it was 1932 photos from Ukraine. read http://www.garethjones.org/tottlefraud.pdf
The first two and most commonly used sources are Ellman and Maimark both people with questionable claims who use questionable sources. I've read both their books.
Whheatcroft and Tauger are good historians however the author fails to state that they concluded that the main reason for the soviet hunger was weather, disease and other issues not related to the soviet government.
source 5: supposed primary sources and translations, without original text to cross-check, Looks suspiciously copied from source two.
source 6: This site is a massive diatribe however its principle data is from Werth who has discredited himself many times, such as when he supported Rezun/Suvorov and his book's conclusions despite him being debunked. Not to mention his counting method basically rounded up the number of victims to the point where 1/5 of all Ukrainian families would have lost at least 1 or 2 faimly members, and yet Ukrainians made up a massive part of the volunteers in the Red Army come WW-2. Why wouldn't they welcome the nazis? The only ones who did were the OUN UPA and sister groups, the collective number of whom ranges in the couple hundred thousand... compared to the over 1 million soviet partisans and MILLIONS of volunteers.
Last source: Memorial is a international group dedicated to revelaing soviet crimes... did I say revealing? I meant making them up. Memorial has been caught FORGING documents and testimonies and uses the bureaucratic power it has (in both Russia and Ukraine) to shut down its critics. SO much for capitalist freedom in modern Eastern Europe.
I too can cite biased sources
http://www.stalinsociety.org/2015/08/09/holodomor-hoax-joseph-stalins-crime-that-never-took-place/
http://www.stalinsociety.org/2015/10/03/fighting-the-holodomor-myth-archival-evidence-that-stalin-was-unaware-of-conditions-in-the-ukraine-and-tried-to-relieve-the-situation-when-he-was-informed/
but see I would never put any stock in them as direct information and would cross-reference them or read the context of the situation.
▶ No.76642>>76644
>>76637
I thought ships were all about floating, why did the Lusitania sink then?
because if you put a hole in a ship, it sinks... same here. The USSR was in the middle of a drought and wheat rust afecting ALL of eastern Europe, including anti-soviet (at the time) Poland and Bulgaria. This was exacerbated by the British Golden Embargo, which forced the USSR to only purchase internationally with grain, thus it could not buy more food without spending food. The soviet government had to redistribute grain evenly to prevent complete starvation, and it had to keep stocks of seed grain or the famine would just repeat itself.
▶ No.76644>>76647
>>76639
>>76640
>>76642
ok thank you i believe in communism now
are we going to meet at starbucks? my mom is going to drive me
▶ No.76645
>>76629
The photo you just posted is literally from 1922. Case in point about what I was saying.
>200k less people were executed
Can you read?
I said 600,000 were carried out and 800,000 were ordered, that means 400,000 fewer than you claimed. 400,000 is the population of a medium sized city. All duringa time period between 1926 and 1953. That's a few thousand people a year. Not much different to the USA.
>Yuri Bezmenov
>leftypol memes
With "whistleblowers" and "defectors" like Yuri, the more sensationalist you make your stories, the more you can cash in. Soviet defectors were well-known for pushing unverifiable and wild conspiracy theories that even the CIA would have to publicly disavow every now and then. One prominent defector theory was that there were no splits in the communist world--everyone was putting on a show of fighting in public and working in unison against the West in secret. Another came from the defecting head of Romanian intelligence said that "everyone knew" that the KGB had killed Kennedy.
As for the memes there are literal citations in them you twat.
>muh breadlines
See picture
▶ No.76646>>76649 >>76662
>>76625
>Capitalists are so fucking fat they can't leave the house and die from obesity, smoking and idiocy from their own personal choices, when they become 80 year old boomers who still haven't fucking retired
Oh, Roarey, you're so silly. I'd recommend you leave britbong land and try visiting a capitalist country not in the EU. Pretty much any where in Africa, for instance. India's shitting streets are very nice this time of year. 20 milllion preventable deaths per year btw.
>>76629
Pic related
▶ No.76647
>>76644
>starbucks
>not going out to grow your own coffee.
LOL nice try m8, but no, rad-libs and communists ain't the same thing.
▶ No.76649>>76651 >>76653 >>76655
>>76646
> I'd recommend you leave britbong land and try visiting a capitalist country not in the EU.
You mean like Japan or South Korea?
Oh wait, those don't count because they aren't shitholes, my mistake. Guess they must be doing capitalism wrong
▶ No.76653
>>76649
>Japan
You mean the country that's literally rotting from the inside out from their low birth rate and youth suicide?
>South Korea
Ever seen a picture of Seoul where the camera is point away from the center of the city?
▶ No.76654>>76656 >>76658
>>76651
>capitalism is not a perfect system
>yeah lets go back to communism, i want those breadlines and gulags back
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▶ No.76656>>76659
>>76654
Roarey, Roarey, Roarey, such a silly little boy.
▶ No.76658>>76662
>>76654
> i want those breadlines and gulags back
You're just repeating yourself at this point.
▶ No.76659>>76660
>>76656
>Roarey
Imagine being so much of a cunt that you're the face of all anti-communist ignorance on fur threads
▶ No.76660>>76661 >>76662
>>76659
Made this a while back, he blocked me on IB instantly afterwards, lol
▶ No.76661
>>76660
HAHAHAHA
Yeah he blocked me on FA back when I used it. And he's blocked many other people, mostly those who provide real arguments that he couldn't use Ad Hominum on to get rid of.
▶ No.76662>>76663 >>76664 >>76665
>>76646
>>76658
>>76660
the holocaust didn't happen
▶ No.76663>>76666 >>76677
>>76662
Except we have direct documentation that it did. What a gay, lel
▶ No.76664>>76669
>>76662
the 9/11 willn'st happen'd
▶ No.76665>>76666
>>76662
false equivalency fallacy.
The Holocaust was documented and aligned with Nazi ideology. There exists NO documentation that implies the famine was caused intentionally and it makes no sense ideologically.
What happened? A famine caused by natural issues and a foreign embargo, forcing the government to take harsh measures to make sure most people survive. The lack of communication in that day and age, plus the problematic international situation made that harder, thus inevitable losses occurred.
▶ No.76666>>76667 >>76668
>>76663
>>76665
oh how clear it is now
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▶ No.76668>>76672
>>76666
Glad you understand, anon.
▶ No.76669>>76671
>>76664
I'm going to need the sauce, bauce
▶ No.76670>>76673 >>76674 >>76675 >>76676
I would just like to take this post to thank the 3 commie shills raiding this board for rocketing /fur/ to the top of the board list and saving this dying chan on pure autism alone
▶ No.76672>>76674
>>76667
ib
>>76668
i was implying the community's major political division not understatement of these ridiculous arguments EVERYONE is making
▶ No.76673
>>76670
You are aware that boards are sorted by IPs, not posts, right?
▶ No.76674
>>76670
>implying I'm not here to top up my porn folder
I'm not raiding, nigger, my pp needs some fuel for when my internet is down.
>>76672
T. le radical centrism gang
▶ No.76676
>>76670
oof how will we ever recover (((from such retardation)))
▶ No.76677>>76678 >>76679 >>76681
>>76663
Just like we do for the holodomor.
The only difference is the holocaust is worldwidely recognized since Germany lost WW2 and Russia didn't
▶ No.76678
>>76677
>Just like we do for the holodomor.
We don't, the memoirs of obscure supposed victims and ex-nazis are not much to go on, especially when even the leading historians on this subject think of it as mostly a situational issue and not one that can be directly blamed on the USSR. But please continue straw-manning to make false equivalencies.
▶ No.76679>>76680
>>76677
Care to provide some, fren?
▶ No.76680
>>76679
Don't bother asking, he's just going to send you some more Volga Famine/Walker photos and some sites dedicated to 'studying' the holodomeme/
▶ No.76681>>76683
>>76677
the holocaust is widely recognized because it actually happened
▶ No.76683
>>76681
wantsomeiceforthatburn.jpg
▶ No.76685>>76686 >>76687 >>76688 >>76693 >>76736 >>76775
Are mods going to clean up this out of control /pol/ thread or not?
▶ No.76687
>>76685
The last 4 threads should be deleted but noone will do that, and you know it.
▶ No.76688
>>76685
Stop bitching and contribute to relevant threads instead.
▶ No.76693>>76701
>>76685
Ship-makers attach blocks of zinc metal near the iron propellers of their ships. Due to the difference in electrical potential between the two metals, the zinc corrodes more easily than iron. Eventually the zinc blocks corrode away completely in the salty water of the ocean, but in doing so, the valuable propeller is spared from any corrosion. These zinc blocks are known as 'sacrificial anodes'.
So too, if a small number of 'sacrificial' political threads are kept on /fur/, they will provide a needed outlet for those bursting with political opinion and will keep such users from unleashing their political 'corrosion' into our other, more valuable, threads.
▶ No.76695>>76698 >>76699 >>76701
can we stop talking about communism and get back to how rich people ruined the furry fandom for normal people and put up such a high barrier to participation that literally creating a new fandom is easier than being a disposable-income constrained furry
left and right should unite to fire the californian menace into the sun.
▶ No.76698
>>76695
We keep trying to. The enemy is the same, but our approaches are from opposite ends, so we conflict.
▶ No.76699
>>76695
The issue I've run into, as a leftist, is that the rightest that claim to be anti-capitalist, aren't really, get them down to it and they cuck, every time.
▶ No.76701>>76703 >>76706
>>76693
I'm more intrigued by how the presence of zinc stymies the corrosion process. Both are submerged under the same sea water aren't they?
>>76695
>rich people
Are you talking about Jews?
▶ No.76706
>>76703
>>76701
people who have lots of money to spend, regardless of race of property ownership.
▶ No.76716>>76717 >>76719
>>76703
You can't blame capitalism for the systematic abuse of the underclass by the rich that's existed for hundreds of years. Power=corruption You give too much power to someone and they will abuse it.
As it stands I'd rather have capitalism over communism any day.
▶ No.76717
>>76716
That's why communism seeks to achieve equal power to all, despite requiring the initial stage of consolidation of power and hoping the successors don't screw up. The end goal is a stateless, moneyless society where anyone trying to get power would be laughed at because everyone has what is desired, as it is a post-scarcity society.
▶ No.76719
>>76716
> can't blame capitalism for the systematic abuse of the underclass by the rich that's existed for hundreds of years.
Yes you can, that is precisely what capitalism does, exploit others.
>You give too much power to someone and they will abuse it.
That's the point. They're born into the power because money = power in capitalism
>I'd rather have capitalism over communism any day.
Depends what kind. TBH Socialism can be better than capitalism in almost every way. The only difference being commodities (pic unrelated)
▶ No.76721>>76723 >>76724 >>76725
>>76703
but jews are hugely disproportionately richer than others per capita.
how can you possibly say that the statement is invalid?
▶ No.76723
>>76721
>He's still at the "Jews control the world" stage
Wait until you reach adulthood and realize the true enemy: the eternal Hiberian
▶ No.76724>>76726
>>76721
Oh, I get it - when he says "capitalism," he means what other people mean when they say "Jews."
▶ No.76725>>76727 >>76776
>>76721
Jews are massively rich because of the historical pattern of Eurasian countries banning them from owning land and forcing them into closed of communities working jobs like doctors, bankers, and jewlers. Some, primarily the Rothschilds got filthy rich on blood money and encouraged their friends. These would be the men who became part of the Global banksters which would also include non-jew Free-masons like Bush and other "elite families".
▶ No.76726
>>76724
t. NAZBOL GANG
t. NAZBOL GANG GANG GANG GANG
▶ No.76727>>76728
>>76725
Why did they get into high-paying jobs instead of low-paying ones?
▶ No.76728
>>76727
>because bankers and doctors and jewlers were not as highpaying at the time, and landownership was more important than money
▶ No.76729>>76730 >>76753
https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2583229.html#2583373
LOL lefties made their own thread and crashed cause of the BO being a cunt.
▶ No.76730>>76731
>>76729
It's not a porn board, fam, I'm sorry we have a BO that actually does their job.
▶ No.76731>>76732
>>76730
>not a porn board
>has trash thread where theres tons of it
>has a booru with over a hundred lewds with under-age girls
SUUUUURRRRREEE
Also that thread has literally ZERO NAFW content you twat. You're just salty like every other leftyfag
▶ No.76732>>76734
>>76731
>Also that thread has literally ZERO NSFW content
Right now, sure, I wonder what it looked like before, hmmm.
Additionally, I'm in full support of the BO here, tbh, I'll 100% admit I jerk it to furry but it's also incredibly degenerate and I don't want it directly associated with leftism.
▶ No.76734
>>76732
>Right now, sure, I wonder what it looked like before
OP here, nothing NSFW was posted on that thread whatsoever, I was banned for the OP which was not NSFW.
>it's also incredibly degenerate and I don't want it directly associated with leftism.
Are you a nazbol? Also READ THE OP, its a containment thread... But no lets have furry shit posted on all the other threads.
▶ No.76736>>76737
>>76685
I have an idea
Make specific permanent politic threads
#1: Furry News
#2: /Furrypol/
#3 /leftyfur/
These 3 threads would be containment threads to keep shit content out of other threads.
▶ No.76737>>76749 >>76752
>>76736
Better idea:
#1: Annex /fur/ to /leftypol/
Good idea, no?
▶ No.76738>>76739
>let's talk about furry instead of left/right politics
>i agree but fuck the jews
>i agree but fuck the capitalists
>*left right argument ensues*
ah yes
▶ No.76739>>76742
>>76738
FUCK THE JEWISH CAPITALISTS
▶ No.76749
>>76737
a dictatorship of the furletariat
▶ No.76752
>>76737
>Annex /fur/ to /leftypol/
That wouldn't solve anything, just get nazi posters and /pol/yps spamming us.
▶ No.76753>>76884
>>76729
FUCK. No wonder they're all in here.
▶ No.76757>>76758 >>76759
>>76589
Actually an-com worked well in Catalonia and the Ukrainian Free Territory, nazis and stalin fucked everything up.
>>76592
>one of its faults was its decentralization
You sure it wasn't stalin backstabbing them and everyone else - twice? Stalin alienated all his allies and ditched the revolution, swapping in global communism for state capitalism-in-one-country. You can whine all you want about running out of time and needing to kill 'counterrevolutionaries' but at least the anarchists never committed a genocide and tried to defend it. Also, remember Krondstadt. Stalinism is a cult and they are not your friends.
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>>76757
Fuck off unironic CNT-tard
The CNT was an over-all hodge-podge of aimlessness. They collectivized it, but without organization and it never got to run its course, which in the experience of The Ukrainian Free State ended badly. The (slight) productive rise is a pointless argument since that's the same argument used by liberals to justify the Kerensky Government. Some Catalan Anarchists openly expressed their Fascist sympathies. After the war, Abad de Santillan had praise for Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, founder of the Fascist Falange Espanola:
“Despite the difference which separated us, we can understand this “spiritual kinship” with Jose Antonio, who after all was a fighter and a patriot in search of solutions for his country�Spaniards of his stature, patriots such as he are not dangerous. They are not the enemy. As for changing the destiny of Spain, there had been, before July, 1936, diverse attempts to align with us. If an accord had been tactically feasible, it would have been according to the desires of his father, Primo de Rivera (dictator of Spain under the monarchy).” (Abad de Santillan, Porque Perdimos la Guerra, as quoted in Landis, pg 312.)
After the war, FAIist Abad de Santillan confessed:
“If all the leaders of the Libertarian (anarchist) organizations had ever seriously resolved to send all their armament, their war material and their best men to the front--the war would easily have been over in a few months… We can no longer conceal the fact that while, at the front itself, we had by 30,000 rifles (and perhaps as many as 24 batteries, 200 heavy guns), in the rear, in the power of the organizations, we had an additional 60,000 rifles with more ammunition than was ever in the proximity of the enemy.” (Abad de Santillan, Porque Perdimos la Guerra, Buenos Aires, 1940, pp. 67-8; quoted in Landis, pg 321.)
And guess where most of that shit came from… the USSR! The CNT had expected aid from France and Britain, it received none.
"As week succeeded week, it became obvious that the governments of Britain and France were prepared to give nothing to the Spanish people except advice. Once Stalin was convinced of this, he declared the intention of the Soviet state to give all the help it could to the Spanish loyalists." (Cole, David M. Josef Stalin; Man of Steel. London, New York: Rich & Cowan, 1942, pg 96)
Despite all this, many CNT members found refuge in... the USSR, congratulations.
Grover Furr's analysis of "Spain Betrayed" https://clogic.eserver.org/2003/furr
The CNT did just as much horrid shit. Ex. CNT Nun Corpses
https://libcom.org/forums/theory/prison-labor-camps-during-spanish-revolution-your-opinions-05102011
http://libcom.org/history/revolution-back-agenda-mark-kosman
In addition to that the Trots kept bickering with the MLs and further undermining the unity until they told them to fuck off.
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/spain/spain07c.htm
The USSR and ML communists worked with the petty bourgeoisie for the same reason they tried to work with the anarchists and Trots, Together we stand, Divided we fall, antagonizing more people than necessary is counter-productive, and considering the experience of the Post-revolutionary period in Russia, they knew well that immediate communism is unrealistic because the people are not ready, that's why the NEP occurred, the people were too uneducated to give up irrational possessiveness and work in stateless communes. The same went for the CNT, except in the USSR they accepted this in return for remaining uncollapsed and strong enough to resist invasion and then initiated it after they had gotten themselves breathing room.
The USSR could not afford to throw around resources and it was 5x further away from Spain than Germany.
"In his conduct of foreign policy, Stalin showed great caution, restraint, and realism. He needed time to build up Russia’s industries and military strength. He was constantly provoked in the east and west, and in ways that must have infuriated him, but he never lost sight of the overriding need to delay the outbreak of war as long as possible. It was for this reason that he placed the greatest emphasis on peace and disarmament in world affairs." (Grey, Ian. Stalin, Man of History. London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1979, pg 296)
Anarchism: results are small to none
Soviet socialism: inspired revolutions world-wide, and economically rivaled the USA as the only other world super-power.
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>>76757
>Muh Makhno
How about Makh NO
The Cossaks started out as bandits and frankly that's who they originally were. They became a force similar to the privateers of Malta and Algiers, given the freedom to do whatever they liked as long as it served the Czar.
You really don't know diddly about Russia do you?
The Free State was originally White Russian and used the old serf system, Mahno had helped to free it with the Red Army, but as the system flew out of control he started doing the same shit.
http://www.isreview.org/issues/53/makhno.shtml
http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv...site/2005/Makhno-839.html
http://www.marxist.com/who-was-makhno-and-what-did-he-stand-for.htm
FinnishBolshevik literally did a series debunking this shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiSM8SkE4mo
https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/64wkgf/polemic_the_anarchokulak_bandits_of_russia_and/
http://marxistleftreview.org/index.php/no-12-winter-2016/134-nestor-makhno-the-failure-of-anarchism
▶ No.76770>>76772
>I'm gone for like 12 hours and /Fur/ has become anti-revisionist
Warms my heart, and my boner!
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>>76770
Nah, you're pro-revisionist. The pro-identity gofundme/patreon/kofi commies just got booted out of /leftypol/ and infested here with your garbage.
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>>76772
>Paying for electrons is communism
▶ No.76774
>>76772
>pro-identity gofundme/patreon/kofi
Actually most of the guys kicked out are the guys who are against that shit.
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>>76725
So then jews get a free pass but capitalism is just a open season punching bag then?
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>>76776
> jews get a free pass
It's not about "muh jews', being a capitalist does not exclude Jews. Trump is as much of a capitalist as the Rothschilds, and yet only 1 of them is a jew.
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>>76778
Fair statement. Its just whenever people are talking about the negatives of capitalism it seems that the jews are always excluded from negative banter in any way. Seeing that they are such a small population of the world they always seem to be in oddly disproportionate important positions such as wealth distribution or news outlet positions ect ect ect. The recoil by pointing that out is always fun to watch to say the least.
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>>76574
>What is the holodomor
>What is The great leap forward
>What are the Khmer Rouge Killing Fields
Removal subhumans from society.
>>76574
>Move to Venezuela or North Korea if communism works so well
I don’t speak Spanish or Korean.
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>>76582
>1. name a communistic state that exists today.
Cuba
>2. do you live in it?
No
>3. why not?
I don’t speak Spanish
▶ No.76802
>>76799
>Removal subhumans from society.
If you're going to state this, post the nazbol flag otherwise people generalize the WHOLE left as maniacs, as if we don't have problems enough trying to debunk the rubbish claims as it is.
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>>76567
>At one point there was a famine in the USSR and people starved
I don't understand this argument when the Great Depression happened in a capitalist country and led to the exact same results. It's almost like shit happens sometimes, and cherry-picking single events and using them to describe decades of history is retarded.
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about genocides, US is holding a blockade of yemen right now, loads of people are dying due to the world's largest cholera outbreak.