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commision prices.
before i rant i know everyone needs to make money to pay their bills and whatnot but these furry artists are making serious fucking cash off drawing.
how is a poorfag who makes 20'000 a year or someone who is on a tight budget supposed to get a commission from a decent or good artist for a reasonable price?!?!
▶ No.57548>>57555 >>57570
Ignore popufurs, stick to artists with low watcher counts.
If their TOS states "I retain ownership of the finished pic" take your money elsewhere. You don't pay for food at McDonalds only to let the employees eat it, do you? Then don't let artists have what you paid for. Better yet, get them to agree to a work for hire contract- which this shit should be by default but the legal system is a fucking mess over copyrights.
You know, I wonder... if artist and buyer are in different countries, which law even applies?
▶ No.57555
>a poorfag who makes 20'000 a year
That tells me nothing because I don't know your cost of living. If you were in Somalia, that amount of money would enable you to live like a king; in New York City you wouldn't even be able to cover rent. You didn't even say if that was net or gross.
Anyway, like >>57548 said, don't choose an artist to commission based on their popularity or even because you know of them. Just browse through several pages on any artist's site like inkbunny or FA or sofurry. Search for tags related to whatever species or fetish or whatever you want commissioned, until you see one that jumps out at you --- one that makes you think "I'd love to have my OC drawn in that style". Check their page and see if they do commissions, make sure they've done them recently and are reasonably active on the site. Write down their username and price, and then move on. Keep doing this until you have a list of like 20 or 30, and then pick a few in your price range to contact.
▶ No.57570
>>57545 (OP)
If one really is a poorfag, maybe haggling with a lesser known and not overbooked artist would be a good option. Popular artists with consistent work won't have any reason to negotiate on their pricing, plus >>57548 makes a good point about an artist's TOS.
▶ No.57572
I'm really conflicted on this, because it differs from artist to artist.
If someone like Darkgem or Null-Ghost was asking 75$ for a full-color painting, 20$ for complex background and 25$ for additional characters then fuck yeah.
If it was some Deviantart doodle retard fuck no.
>work as an illustrator all 365 days a year
>make one painting per day for 75$
>including weekends and holidays
they're making around $28,000 before taxes are deducted; 75$ is "moderately" reasonable IF we're talking about an actually decent artist that knows what they're doing and it's a full color PAINTING. If it's a doodle sketch for that money it's a different story.
The shittery you have to watch out for is when it goes above ~100-150$ and they shill their Patreon pay walls or they're asking for huge $$$ for a head sketch, not even a bust or full body just scratchy lines of a head sketch.
▶ No.57599>>57607
>How is a poorfag who makes 20'000 a year or someone who is on a tight budget supposed to get a commission from a decent or good artist for a reasonable price?!?!
You're not meant to. Poorfags like you are modern day slaves. You exist to do the shit jobs everyone else is too physically fit or intelligent to do. That is all, society sees you as nothing more than a retard doing a retards job. You're fucking worthless scum with barely any rights. You're not here to buy luxuries, you're here to break your back working at walmart for 40 years so your superiors don't have to.
▶ No.57607
>>57599
>he thinks intelligence and how much you are paid is positively correlated
Is that what they told you at the unemployment office?
▶ No.57614>>57616
If I hate one thing it's when artists go full on YCH or worse Adoptables.
People like WeedShibe and OreoCakes are one of the worst offenders as of late.
But I hear some of you already screeching in the background "But anon, if someone wants to pay 300$ for a badly made picture it's their choice!" No this is a stupid thing to think and I'll tell you why:
The artistic community in the fandom isn't that massive, compared to the open market, yet the demand quite literally is endless. So if only a few artists do shady shit like this to get the most money for the least amount of work, many more will catch on and do the same. Soon there won't be the possibility to "go elsewhere" because every artists is doing it, since it got initiated by assholes that were too greedy and idiots who were too horny. Thus destroying the economy of the artistic community devolving into a full on circlejerk of the few people that are rich enough to constantly buy no matter the price.
"But anon an artist has to be paid! They barely make minimum wage!" You stammer in the background. And I agree, nobody should expect no pay, or low pay and as some pointed out the price-range also varies depending on where the artist lives. However one does need an objective view on things and things like anatomical correctness, color composition, conveyed perspective, how clean the lines are, etc. are factors you can objectively observe and when an artist just craps out a picture in less than 2 hours from an even quicker doodle which they made a YCH that got AB'd for 300$ while their anatomy is shit, they perspective is as flat as the god damn netherlands and the only selling point is the style, then no the hourly pay of over 100$ is clearly not worth it.
And it's not like they are oblivious to the fact, if you join discords with such popfurs on them you hear them nearly brag how they love it that they can just live off YCH's and tell each other what pose and body-form will generate the most. "Oh if you draw fat furs you should go mostly male with bigger bellies, most fat furries are gay."
Plus the absolute cancer are adoptables. Not only do most say that "they retain the copyright of the picture" and sell you the idea of the character, which in reality isn't a tangible thing in copyright law, you would need backstory, proper elaborated concept etc. etc. to enforce any form of copyright on a fictional character, a design, especially pic related, won't be covered by that, not by a long shot. Everyone could easily make any of those characters their fursona and nobody could do diddly-squat against it. So those cancer-artists literally sell you nothing except the full-res of that picture, that's all.
But oh no let anyone actually speak out, even in private groups word will be carried around and artists will throw a fit on "how they got attacked", when somebody calls them out on how mediocre their art is and that they should be ashamed to milk for that much money.
▶ No.57616>>57619
>>57614
>So if only a few artists do shady shit like this to get the most money for the least amount of work, many more will catch on and do the same
This would be true, except the artistic community is cyclical and transient. Artists become popular and then lose their popularity often in only a few years; most if not all of them "age out" of the fandom by the time they reach their 30's, leaving after only having been decent artists for less than a decade. New artists come along every day to replace them, and start out drawing for very low amounts, because they have to, because they aren't yet popufur. Some of them quit drawing, and some of them become popufur and raise their rates to astronomical levels, but only for a few years before they are gone again. Most of the time that is because they get so expensive that their bubble bursts. In the meantime, more new artists have come along selling their work for pocket change.
The thing is, those new artists will always be better. You hit the nail on the head where you pointed out that artists find a simplistic formula that works, and they stick with it because they value consistent money more than fulfilling some kind of nebulous artistic vision. They simplify their art to whatever enables them to make the most amount of money in the least amount of time. Every media is like that. Movies are like that, video games are like that, books are like that. Why do you think so many people go after "indie" movies and video games? Your problem is that you don't seem to realize that instead of bitching about popufurs, you should be just finding some "indie artists" to support, instead.
▶ No.57619>>57620 >>57635
>>57616
>instead of bitching about popufurs, you should be just finding some "indie artists" to support, instead.
Actually I do that. Keyword indian comic-artists on DeviantArt or something like that. They work very cheap with quality which far exceeds 90% of all popufur artists.
Also while it is true that artists rotate out and their bubble sometimes bursts, it's not always a given and the rate in which newer artists jump onto the trend in making such changes and opt out to YCH's is seemingly increased when most already do it.
I for one stay the fuck away from any YCH's or any pricetag that simply does not reflect the quality of the product, at least for my expectations. Not blaming any artist that charges more than I can afford, just those that shamelessly oversell it with hardly any quality to back that up in the first place.
▶ No.57620
>>57619
Kind of like how that one artist priced their, "YCH" at over $1000.
▶ No.57630>>57635
>>57545 (OP)
>good art but overpriced.PNG
Let me guess: blitzdrachin?
>how is a poorfag who makes 20'000 a year or someone who is on a tight budget supposed to get a commission from a decent or good artist for a reasonable price?!?!
Congratulations, you figured out one of the biggest problems with the furfagdom that no one want to talk about, and when it is talked about, it's met with passive aggression and/or condescension (lel look at all these poorfags wanting requests, lel it's a luxury you poorfag, don't NEED art haha LOL xDDDDDDD)
▶ No.57635>>57816
>>57619
I stay away from most YCHs because the vast, vast majority of them are multi-person. There's no way to control if your character might end up in a pic with three neon rainbow dragoncatfox herms with multiple cocks.
>>57630
>lel it's a luxury you poorfag, don't NEED art
Well, this IS true.
▶ No.57692>>57831
>I only make enough to buy food and pay the bills, how am I supposed to satisfy my basic human need of custom made pictures of cars fucking dragons?
▶ No.57742>>57816
>>57545 (OP)
It's the retards fault, they constantly scream at a good artist that their art deserve more, worth more, and their prices are way too low for what they do
They are the same fucking idiots that 10 years ago where screaming how EVERYONE have a 64 bit system with 32 gb of ram, and that games should finally use them, it's their fault if modern day games are barely optimized or properly compressed any more
Retards like this need to be strangled at birth, or castrated at the very least, fuckers keep contaminating the gene pool
▶ No.57816>>57831
>>57635
>Well, this IS true
I guess, but when your life is shit, you're struggling to find even scraps of happiness, and seriously contemplating suicide on a regular basis, sometimes the line between necessity and luxury can get blurred (which nobody seems to give a shit about)
It doesn't help that they're incredibly smug about it, like they're mocking me for not being lucky enough to win the birth lottery like the people have literal tens of thousands of autismbux to blow on some mediocre popufurfag "artist"
>>57742
But that's "inhuman", apparently, because long-term benefits be damned
On the plus side, it's entirely possible for a good chunk of the human population to be genetic dead-ends one day
▶ No.57831>>57836
>>57816
>On the plus side, it's entirely possible for a good chunk of the human population to be genetic dead-ends one day
Nah. Modern human society selects for low intelligence and high "social skills". Capitalism rewards greed and nepotism. The human race is right fucked.
>>57692
Nobody seems to realize that this guy would have a shitty life without his hobby of collecting and displaying fine candles. A life is not worth living in that case. What we he do with his time, if he didn't even have a single candle? Jack shit, that's wh
▶ No.57836>>57840
>>57831
Anon, just fyi, dril is a joke/shitposting twitter account
▶ No.57840>>57883
>>57836
Anon, just fyi, that other guy was just saying that as a precursor to a setup to a "candle jack" joke. I guess he doesn't realize that meme is deader tha
▶ No.57883>>57916
>>57840
>"Okay I vaugely know who that is but what does that have to do with anything?"
>Look it up
>"Oh"
Man, that joke completely flew over my head
▶ No.57893>>57904
Meanwhile.... there's a poorfag Christian Fanatic who is in the same mental state as OP because they can't afford a $1,500 Icon statue that'll get placed in their living room and gather dust.
Commissions are for Programmed Autists. Get deprogrammed.
▶ No.57904
>>57893
The difference is that you can get a statue of Christ as the Dollar Store, but a drawing of your fursona absolutely nowhere.
▶ No.57916>>57999 >>58023
>>57883
It's an easy to get joke
Just surprised anyone remembers Candle Jack, I mea
▶ No.57960
Know what I find annoying?
>artist takes commissions
>no pricing information anywhere to be found
▶ No.57999>>58023
>>57916
Same. I completely forgot about Candle Jack until that other anon poi
▶ No.58023
>>57916
>>57999
It's not "Candle Jack", it's "Candlejack" you retarded newf
▶ No.58106>>58108 >>58120 >>58124 >>58132 >>58226
I know of want to do my old rant about how introducing money to a community at all poisons it, but as I've gotten older I've forgotten what initial promise I saw in the furry fandom anyway. Really, it was always going to end up like this, a cliquish palace economy running parallel to a pornography factory. Nobody and-i-mean nobody really cares about "animal people going on adventures" as an aesthetic. More human time and effort has undoubtedly been spent creating zootopia porn than was spent creating Zootopia itself.
And that's fine, really. Lots of things are like that. It's really just a concentrated microcosm of the commercial internet at large. It's fine and predictable. With piracy, the market will act a little and free competition on the porn industry will be maintained. It's all fine.
So why am I still so disappointed?
▶ No.58108>>58120
>>58106
Because you're an overly cynical whiney faggot.
▶ No.58109
time for a dose of reality for you poorfucks
▶ No.58120>>58408
>>58106
>tfw no Redwall aesthetic to go on adventures
>>58108
Fuck off disinfo shill >>>/pol/
▶ No.58124
>>58106
>Nobody and-i-mean nobody really cares about "animal people going on adventures" as an aesthetic
Sure they do. I do, and I certain many others on this board do too. It just so happens that porn is at the center of the furry economy, so everything else gets less focus.
▶ No.58132>>58137 >>58227
>>58106
The problem isn't the fandom, greymuzzle. It's this place. It's full of children. We're all basically sitting in a kindergarten class filled with screaming retards throwing toys at each other. Expecting something significant is a fool's errand.
▶ No.58137>>58224
>>58132
>Furry, the fandom known for rampant pedophilia
>Calls him and another anon old
>Calls everyone else a kid, like they're sitting in their class
▶ No.58224
>>58137
Oh no! Adults are incapable of being surrounded by children without immediately molesting them. Someone call the cops!!
▶ No.58226>>58246
>>58106
It's not really money that destroys it, every fandom runs on it. It's the heavy fixation on sex. It causes the community to seek instant gratification like immediate views and money. Call me a puritan, but people aren't going to a achieve high when they're looking low.
Ever wonder why the majority of patreon porn games remain unfinished while polished SFW indie games like Ground Branch, PUBG and Squad get several updates in weeks despite being more complex than them?
▶ No.58227
>>58132
So, the fandom? Because popufurs bitch about other furries in private.
▶ No.58246>>58258
>>58226
Well, yes. It's because the furry fandom ISN'T a fandom. There isn't anything to be a fan OF. There is no central thing that everyone gathers around to discuss. Oh sure, there are cartoons and movies with anthro characters in them, and that produces a lot of Rule34, but that's not what the "fandom" is focusing on these days. Right now, all of it is just a bunch of people using their "fursonas" and OCs as a vehicle for various self-insert fantasies. And because most furries are desperate virgins under the age of 20, of course it's 99% sexual.
Just look at the kobold thread. Lots of good discussion instantly derailed and destroyed --- not when they started talking about sex — when someone posted their fetish-bait OC.
▶ No.58258>>58271
>>58246
I kind of agree with it being too personalized, especially to the point of people making up fake pronouns and sexual identities that they get angry over if you get them wrong.
▶ No.58271>>58330 >>58334
>>58258
>I agree with you, because of my political agenda
Not as angry as you are that a fandom of people pretending to be fox-people also want to pretend to be man-girls. Answer me this: WHY do you care? How does it affect your life? What have you lost by them doing this?
▶ No.58330>>58348
>>58271
>they pretend to be man-girls.
>PRETEND
anon if you said they were "pretending" IRL you would be charged with a hate crime enacted under recently passed Canadian hate speech laws if you don't use their bullshit pronouns, but outside of batshit crazy otherkin we have a consensus that we are playing pretend fantasy when people say they are anthro fox people, but furries don't try to legislate judicial pressure for you to play into these larpy roleplaying activities and don't actively engage in hostile aggression if you don't say that Xir-Zoogliedoof is a biological reality that must be protected under hate speech laws that will get you the equivalent charge of committing a hate crime.
Maybe that's what why he cares?
Maybe that's how it's affecting his life?
Maybe that's what he's losing by them doing this?
▶ No.58334>>58348
>>58271
>Not as angry as you are that a fandom of people pretending to be fox-people also want to pretend to be man-girls. Answer me this: WHY do you care? How does it affect your life? What have you lost by them doing this?
Because not only do you get angry over people getting your fake gender/sexuality wrong, you also want people imprisoned for it as well. Look at at Canada and California. Despite this, you want me to leave you alone when you refuse to leave others alone? Nah, screw off.
▶ No.58348>>58352 >>58402
>>58330
>He cares because he can't be an asshole to certain people
>His life is affected because he's punished for being an asshole
>He's lost the ability to be an asshole whenever he wants
Just so long as we're on the same page, here.
>>58334
>Nobody on the planet is allowed to defend something unless it's for themselves
I'm a boy, anon. You, on the other hand, are a gibbering intellectually vacuous ignorant bigoted simplistic brainwashed moron who doesn't wash behind his ears.
▶ No.58352>>58368 >>58370
>>58348
You're a delusional retard who thinks that people should be imprisoned for not regarding you by the correct name. Do everyone a favor and kill yourself.
▶ No.58353
christ, you people sure get touchy over the subject of your wank material having a cost
all I know is I can afford any price for any reason at any time because this shit doesn't cost as much as everyone on this board always makes it out to
▶ No.58368>>58476
>>58352
>imprisoned for not regarding you by the correct name
That literally never happens. Don't just make shit up to try to justify your being an asshole.
▶ No.58370>>58402 >>58475
>>58352
says the side that literally wants words like "scientific evidence" to be banned from being used by CDC scientists
▶ No.58374
lmao all these seething poorfags
▶ No.58402>>58403
>>58348
>getting mad and charging someone with a hate crime because they didn't play along with your fantasies isn't being an asshole
>>58370
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Is this the part where you realize you're running out of arguments so you start throwing out random shit that he never said he believed?
▶ No.58403>>58423 >>58424 >>58425
>>58402
>Intentionally stepping on someone's toes because you don't believe what they do, is perfectly okay if you're in the majority
Look, it doesn't cost you any fucking money to call someone "him", "her", "your majesty the attack helicopter", whatever. It doesn't cause you any pain. It doesn't take any of your time. It's a TINY GODDAMN INCONVENIENCE. Nobody gets charged with a "hate crime" for accidentally slipping up with a pronoun once; they get charged when they are actively, purposefully, intentionally attacking a person's personal beliefs again and again and again, because they would rather be an mean jackass than be considerate.
I understand you want the entire world to be the "wild west" of imageboards where you can say whatever the fuck you want and expect it to just roll off people's backs. I understand you're still in or barely out of high school where calling anything you didn't like a "faggot" was commonplace and got you nothing more than a slap on the wrist. But I'm sorry, kid, the real world doesn't work that way. In the real world, you have to play nice. In the real world, playing nice is how things get done. The media won't mention it, but even your hero Trump has to suck someone's dick sometimes to accomplish any agenda.
Why? Because in the real world you're not protected by that thin sheet of plastic you're looking at, that can metaphorically be called "anonymity". In the real world you might have a boss who is a black man, or an in-law, or a police officer that pulled you over for speeding. And if you start screaming about those fucking niggers and all that jazz, free speech won't protect you from getting hurt. Your cute little ideals about how you think you should just be able to say what you want and nobody will be "offended" won't protect you.
So you can either grow the fuck up, or you can keep this up and wait for the world to chew you up and spit you out. Your choice, little man.
▶ No.58408>>58420
>>58120
No he's right, the "community" be like it is because faggots encourage it to be like it is. If more fags started backing artists in it for the a e s t h e i c rather than the porn, then you could have a comfy furfag community. centered around the aesthetics of antro animals and not just how they make muh dik feel.
Be the change you want to see in the world nigger. Back sfw artists you like, write comfy stories with lots of world-building, etc.
▶ No.58409>>58445
Money isn't the issue for me. It's that I have a very niche autism fetish and only a handful of furries will draw it without the illustrations looking like complete manchild ass.
I'm always too late when these worthwhile artists are selling their services. What's frustrating, though, is that it always seems to be the same handful of motherfuckers who take up at least half those slots each and every goddamn time. Aging NEETs bidding away $300+ of their welfare checks for YCH commissions apparently don't have an issue affording these artists.
I just wanna get one decent piece of weird kink porn with my dudes in it once or twice a year. Is that too much to expect?
▶ No.58410
>>57545 (OP)
Commissions are a luxury and if you have a tight budget then you should not be spending it on something as superfluous as a furry commission. Go get educated or learn a skill and start making more money then you can spend as much as you please on commissions.
To answer your question more directly, stop being poor.
▶ No.58420>>58490
>>58408
>write comfy stories with lots of world-building
Write stories that nobody will read and that you won't make a dime for?? Nobody is going to do that, when they can learn photoshop 101, start churning out fursona ref sheets twice a week, and make as much money as a doctor!
▶ No.58423>>58450
>>58403
It doesn't hurt you if I don't play along with your fantasies either, yet here you are throwing a fit because I wouldn't call you xir.
▶ No.58424
>>58403
>little man
Did you just assume his gender?
▶ No.58425>>58450
>>58403
It's also funny how you're telling someone else to grow up when you clearly have thin skin abd a childish view of reality.
Socializing is a two way street. If someone won't call you xim then leave him alone because he wasn't the kind of person you'd have gotten along with anyway. You seek to control others, not foster any kind of understanding.
All that other shit you wrote is ad hom and strawman fluff btw, you assumed a whole lot of shit about me because of a disagreement.
Learn to control your temper and maybe people won't dig in their heels and actually try to get along with you.
▶ No.58445>>58464
▶ No.58450>>58462 >>58474 >>58508
>>58423
You don't understand how easy it is for collective, institutional oppression to begin. It always starts with "dehumanizing", which is a form of lack of recognition. It's the same thing as calling a black man "boy", instead of by his name. But someone not in a minority group wouldn't understand that.
>>58425
>You seek to control others
Oh? And shoving everyone into a neat little box, with fixed roles and labels and actions that they cannot deviate from for their entire life isn't control?
▶ No.58462>>58477
>>58450
Fuck off back to Tumblr or Twitter or wherever it is you came from.
▶ No.58464>>58466 >>58490
>>58445
If I tell you, it'll just derail the thread even worse than the politisperging.
▶ No.58466>>58469
▶ No.58469>>58470 >>58523
>>58466
If I had to guess it's probably the guy who is into bee stings. I don't think I've ever seen him post about it on /fur/ though, so it could be someone else, or he's learned to hide his power level.
▶ No.58470>>58523
>>58469
Honestly im curious now
▶ No.58474>>58477
>>58450
>You don't understand how easy it is for collective, institutional oppression to begin. It always starts with "dehumanizing", which is a form of lack of recognition. It's the same thing as calling a black man "boy", instead of by his name. But someone not in a minority group wouldn't understand that.
Lmao, it's not dehumanizing. You're just a retarded narcissist who demands everyone to kiss your prolapsed anus.
▶ No.58475
>>58370
>says the side that literally wants words like "scientific evidence" to be banned from being used by CDC scientists
Except that never happened. The CDC confirmed it themselves.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/cdc-director-says-there-are-no-banned-words-at-the-agency
You're just an imbecile who can't interpret gender OR literary words properly.
▶ No.58476>>58480
▶ No.58477>>58481
>>58474
>>58462
>I have no argument, but here's some /pol/-approved insults
▶ No.58480>>58482
>>58476
>I am justified in treating your garbage identity like shit
And yet you get all salty and scream and cry and whine when fags call you a breeder.
Also, just because there's a law on the books doesn't mean they're pulling people of the streets left and right and fining them for a single infraction. You'd have to be literally insane to think that happens.
And as for the second one, WHY DO YOU GIVE A BLEEDING FUCK about what happens in goddamn nursing homes?? You are JUST like SJWs, you know that? Reaching everywhere and anywhere for the tiniest little fucking things that TRIGGER you. Christ. You're a whiny little baby who can't do anything except complain about shit that has no impact on your life whatsoever. What's next? You going to try stirring up drama over some laws in Australia or something? Get a fucking life!
▶ No.58481
>>58477
Made two by listening sources, but I'm not surprised that an dense idiot who believes that there are multiple genders isn't capable of reading at all to begin with.
▶ No.58482>>58520
>>58480
>And yet you get all salty and scream and cry and whine when fags call you a breeder.
Difference is that I don't jail you for it, retard.
>Also, just because there's a law on the books doesn't mean they're pulling people of the streets left and right and fining them for a single infraction. You'd have to be literally insane to think that happens. And as for the second one, WHY DO YOU GIVE A BLEEDING FUCK about what happens in goddamn nursing homes?? You are JUST like SJWs, you know that? Reaching everywhere and anywhere for the tiniest little fucking things that TRIGGER you. Christ. You're a whiny little baby who can't do anything except complain about shit that has no impact on your life whatsoever. What's next? You going to try stirring up drama over some laws in Australia or something? Get a fucking life!
I don't care about the logistics or weasel wording bulsshit. Regarding someone by the wrong name shouldn't be a federal penalty to begin with, you obtuse dumbshit. I'm different from you in that I don't institute laws against for you for regarding me improperly, you deserve to be treated like shit.
▶ No.58490>>58523
>>58420
Yes, that's exactly what you have to do if you want a comfy sub-community of furfags.
>>58464
Just say it, can't be worse than these two spergs fagging up the thread.
▶ No.58508>>58520
>>58450
>And shoving everyone into a neat little box, with fixed roles and labels and actions that they cannot deviate from for their entire life isn't control
Literally nowhere did I say I wanted to control you. Use whatever stupid pronouns you want, just don't try and force me to acknowledge your glorified roleplaying.
>You don't understand how easy it is for collective, institutional oppression to begin
Ah yes, I'm going out of my way to oppress you because I think made up pronouns are stupid. I'm making a noose rn tbh
>It always starts with "dehumanizing", which is a form of lack of recognition
Dehumanizing is recognizing someone as subhuman. You're not subhuman, you're just an obnoxious control freak who can't handle the fact not everybody is going to bow down and walk on eggshells around your snowflake identity.
>It's the same thing as calling a black man "boy", instead of by his name
Calling anyone that regardless of their color is disrespectful, but far from dehumanizing. A boy is still a human. Now if you called him a jungle bunny or something like that then you'd have a point.
>But someone not in a minority group wouldn't understand that
I'm Mexican.
I'm tempted to say you're a false flagging /pol/ shitter at this point, you're coming off like one of their shitty over the top satire comics at this point.
▶ No.58520>>58539 >>58567
>>58482
>Regarding someone by the wrong name shouldn't be a federal penalty to begin with
Well, it is. Tough luck, cookie crunch.
>I don't institute laws against you
True. You don't do anything. You sit in this imageboard and bitch and whine and complain. Maybe if you actually got off your fat ass and protested or spoke to your congressmen or arranged a PAC, the laws wouldn't have been passed. But you didn't do that. You don't have the balls to take any action whatsoever.
>>58508
>He still thinks I'm arguing for my own "identity" instead of for principals
I'm about as cis-male as they come. But far be it for someone to EVER have an argument that isn't all about themselves. That would just be ridiculous.
>I'm Mexican
Your English is excellent, so you're at least second-generation, probably third. Basically white, at this point. You also get half of California, all the signs are in Spanish right under the English, and Despacito topped the charts for the better part of 2017. You get plenty of recognition for your race, and none of it tokenism. Yet they try to put one gay character on some sit-com and the entire fucking country is up in arms over it. Does half the world say you're going to Hell, and the other half think you're infected with AIDS and rape children? No. Don't compare your problems with mine and think they're equal.
▶ No.58523>>58531
>>58470
>>58469
>>58490
K. I like physical age regression and gender bending. No sex stuff with cubs, though, just adult furs turning back into cubs. As one might logically deduce, there's a tremendous overlap with the babyfur community and all of the problems that implies including the terribad art (not that I have lofty and refined standards or anything). TGTF also has a lot of really poor anatomy and stale cliches but it's in a better place and has a less cringey reputation even if marginal.
The stuff that I do think is very well done for either kink, though, is tough to come by cuz I find it hard to compete with frequent customers or capitalize on brief windows of opportunity. I just became a patron for a TG comic, though, so maybe I can satiate my degenerate cravings with donor entitlements.
▶ No.58531
>>58523
That isn't too bad, the problem with sfw cub art is the nsfw implications drawing shotacon has
▶ No.58539
>>58520
Yeah you don't actually believe a thing you're saying.
8/10 got me good.
That was a pretty creative way to worm out of the assumption I was white though, spot on tumblrtard impression.
▶ No.58564>>58621
>>57545 (OP)
>How's a poorfag supposed to afford this luxury?!?!
Look, I get it, some artists have stupid, fucked up prices, but this complaint, as it's worded, is just fucking retarded.
▶ No.58567>>58619 >>58639
>>58520
>Well, it is. Tough luck, cookie crunch.
It'll be removed in the future. Go eat shit.
>True. You don't do anything. You sit in this imageboard and bitch and whine and complain. Maybe if you actually got off your fat ass and protested or spoke to your congressmen or arranged a PAC, the laws wouldn't have been passed. But you didn't do that. You don't have the balls to take any action whatsoever.
Others will, and you'll die off. Enjoy your pro immigration plan with muslims.
▶ No.58619
>>58567
>It'll be removed in the future
No, it won't. Despite Trump and his cronies trying as hard as the can, leftism, liberalism, and being nice to people is catching on in the USA more every day. You should have realized that when the gays got the right to marry country-wide, but you're too busy jerking off your delusions of the "good old days".
>Others will
Maybe. But YOU won't. How's it feel, knowing that things are never going to go the way you want them to? Probably not as bad as it does knowing that you're such a coward you won't raise a finger to change it. I bet it just eats at you every day, and will continue to do so until one day, when you wake up 40 and poor and miserable, you'll put one of those guns you so love down your own throat.
▶ No.58621
>>58564
yeah. i was going to say the same thing. commissioning art is and has always been a luxury item. if you're actually struggling financially, you really shouldn't even be considering spending money on things like that.
▶ No.58639
>>58567
Buddy it's pretty obvious at this point he's merely pretending, you can stop now.
He started of really strong, but these last couple of posts look like they came straight out of an ironic /pol/yp post.