[–]▶ No.51028>>51030 >>51094 >>51499 >>51506 >>51621 >>51793 >>52054 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
Don't you love watching an artist open for commissions for the first time, mumble about how they're so unsure of things because this is the FIRST TIME TAKING COMMISSIONS OHMIGOSH GAIS
And then bam, prices comparable to someone with ten times as many watchers because clearly those artists are the baseline for what all art should cost.And let's add not doing anything other people commission those larger artists for at the same time.
This isn't a rant about 'baww I'm so poor' either. I know artists that slash their prices to Crazy Carl's Consignment prices despite having fairly good work to offer. One example is Dafetishboi, who works like hell throwing $5 sketches and a decent color option to support his family just a little more on top of his job and can barely attract a dozen people to even come and look.
It's just as the title compares. They walk in, talk about about how much of a big shot they are, demand others to twist their necks to give them attention and praise. Nobody knows who MC Fagadelic is and no one cares, and yet inevitably, someone without common sense is going to walk by and buy into the hype, and only feed their artificially inflated ego. So then people wonder why we get single serving social media like For Exposure, loaded with hundreds of dumbfucks who wonder why this art market is shit. Because it's not just the commissioners and freebie hunters turning this art market to shit. It comes from both sides.
▶ No.51030
>>51028 (OP)
To play devil's advocate this isn't exclusive to commission artists. Most people will put feelers out there for what people are willing to pay. In sales it's even recommended you throw out a number larger than what you're actually worth so you can haggle down to what you really expect.
Just wait a few weeks til they don't have any commissions and slash their prices. This is something the free market will eventually fix.
▶ No.51033
I thought this was going to be about people who shill for commissions despite being bad artists, like the furry porn equivalent of the "spiritual lyrical miracle" types.
▶ No.51034>>51053
>no mature/adult stuff
WELCOME TO POVERTY
▶ No.51038>>51044
>What I will not draw
>Perspective
What?
▶ No.51042>>51085
>prices comparable to someone with ten times as many watchers
What does the number of watchers have to do with your commission prices? You're good, you get paid; you're shit, you starve.
haha who the fuck am I kidding, of course it's all about how many teenagers suckle on your e-penis
>not doing anything other people commission those larger artists for at the same time.
Like what, for example?
Pretending to be good at art?
Being a pretentious cunt?
Demand money without having to work?
Causing drama?
>One example is Dafetishboi, who works like hell throwing $5 sketches and a decent color option to support his family just a little more on top of his job
And you're complaining about some yet another random unknown faggot instead of the talentless popufur hacks who are already sucking the community dry? You need to review your priorities.
Also please, don't try to sell me a fucking sob story as an excuse. But what the fuck do I know, you're all probably emotionally challenged teenagers who haven't lived long enough to experience a truly desperate situation first-hand, so you believe and cling on to any emotional bullshit any random asshole tells you.
▶ No.51043>>51886
Can you get by reasonably well if you don't do g/fur? I mean, I just love titties and that's no crime.
▶ No.51044
>>51038
He's at least honest
▶ No.51053
>>51034
Good luck finding people paying for safe pics of a solo character
if you're not a Nippon outside of the furry fandom
▶ No.51085>>51088
>>51042
>What does the number of watchers have to do with your commission prices? You're good, you get paid; you're shit, you starve.
Skill is obviously a factor, but more watchers usually means greater demand.
If there's more demand for a product, you can charge more.
It's really not that insane if you think about it that way.
▶ No.51088>>51100
>>51085
>It's really not that insane if you think about it that way.
Yes it is.
And you're insane for suggesting it isn't.
Why? Because you take for granted that more watchers = more demand. Greater demand is supposed to only come from greater skill, any exceptions are simply temporary glitches.
Given how in this fandom they're neither exceptions nor temporary, even when two different artists with similar skills offer the exact same services, then the only explanation is illogical, therefore insane.
▶ No.51092
So what the fuck does it draw thats worth paying 80 dollars for?
▶ No.51094>>51097
>>51028 (OP)
>No copyrighted characters
>no wings
Jesus christ even if he drew actual adult material this already has cost him a metric ass ton of sales, he'll be bitching before long about how nobody is buying
▶ No.51097
>>51094
OCs only and no wings is perfectly fine to be able to subsist on in the furry community. It's the no porn that will probably hit the worst.
▶ No.51100>>51116 >>51125 >>51899
>>51088
popularity matters in this fandom.
Fuckheads are willing to defend Zaush raping a woman because he's popufur, to the point they ignore facts. You think the same would have applied if it had been Hirtes accused of it?
▶ No.51103>>51106
>what I will not draw:
>everything
▶ No.51106>>51112
>>51103
>what I will not draw
>anything that requires effort
▶ No.51112
>>51106
That's the whole fandom, in one bacup.
▶ No.51116>>51118 >>51125
>>51100
>popularity matters in this fandom.
That only proves the members of this fandom are insane.
And no wonder everything is shit. When you pay for popularity rather than quality, it will always be shit.
▶ No.51118
>>51116
Good luck finding anyone in this for the art. Fapping is usually just a side effect, to that.
▶ No.51125>>51129 >>51159
>>51100
What's more interesting is that people are willing to crucify him because a woman accused him of rape, to the point they ignore facts (the fact being, there is zero evidence it happened beyond her claims). The same shit happens to real celebrities, excepts the timescales are usually a bit longer. But suffice to say, whenever someone suddenly pops up years or decades later, claiming someone raped them, it's 100% bullshit and should be treated as such.
>>51116
You say this as if it's not the way literally the entire world works.
▶ No.51129>>51132
>>51125
>as if it's not the way literally the entire world works
Ever heard of an artist's guild? The medieval study of anatomy? Aesthetic? What I wouldn't give for a community, or even a board of furfags more focused on the artists, rather than the draugr consumer of filth.
▶ No.51132>>51146 >>51148 >>51159
>>51129
>Ever heard of an artist's guild? The medieval study of anatomy? Aesthetic?
Stuff that has (regrettably) been irrelevant for centuries. The world runs on popularity and nothing more; either accept it, or suicide.
Also, there are plenty of places "focused on artists" and they are all useless circlejerks where it's not allowed to criticize.
▶ No.51146>>51148 >>51281
>>51132
>stuff that has (regrettably) been irrelevant for centuries
You're full of shit, anon. The fact isn't that it isn't there, but that you don't want it. You're ignoring it, and I won't have that.
▶ No.51148>>51159
>>51132
>>51146
WTF is this anyway? Popularity matters and that's not the point of discussion. So, anyways, is this artist good? If it's SFW, I'm sure you can find much better deals out there (price and quality). It just happens that there's a bigger demand for porn and all that and less willing artists, of course this is reflected on prices.
▶ No.51159>>51281
>>51125
>>51132
>>51148
>You say this as if it's not the way literally the entire world works.
>The world runs on popularity and nothing more
No, not really. Nobody asks you how many youtube subscribers you have when you apply for a real job.
The real world most definitely does not run on popularity alone.
>Popularity matters and that's not the point of discussion.
It was hinted at in the OP so it's on-topic. Follow your own advice. Either accept it, or suicide.
▶ No.51281>>51314 >>51457
>>51146
Bitch, shut the fuck up. Art is dead and has been since the CIA literally made Jackson Big Guy popular in an attempt to make "modern art" seem superior to Soviet impressionist art. Don't kid yourself about the state of things; it just makes you look ignorant.
>>51159
>Nobody asks you how many youtube subscribers you have when you apply for a real job.
You're right. They ask for your list of "references". It's the same exact thing. As they say: in the business world it's not WHAT you know, but WHO you know that really matters.
▶ No.51314>>51391
>>51281
Funny, I was always asked my portfolio and always got hired. I guess I was just good at my job.
▶ No.51391>>51403
>>51314
>portfolio
>art fag
Uh huh. Come back when you get a real job.
▶ No.51403
>>51391
You don't need to be so salty because I can land a high-paying art job and you can't. Maybe I'm just better than you.
▶ No.51457>>51533
>>51281
You're one of those "artist"s. Aren't you? Piss off, and read something to help you draw better than someone from DA.
▶ No.51499
>>51028 (OP)
>the price
If the art is detailed and well made enough it can be worthy even far more than that
>restrictions
I don't see any problem with that, is that artist choice to limit their options, it will hurt their wallet in the end, the problem is those artists that make a list of hundreds of things that they will not draw and then bitch about not getting enough costumers.
▶ No.51506
>>51028 (OP)
>What I will NOT Draw
>perspective
▶ No.51533>>51536
>>51457
>Nobody is allowed to have an opinion unless they're being personally defensive
So if I defend a black person, then--- OH HOLY SHIT I JUST MAGICALLY TURNED INTO A NIGGER!!
▶ No.51536>>51539
>>51533
You wish you were one, but you shouldn't. That's just the way it is.
▶ No.51539>>51568
>>51536
Well, people shouldn't shoot raccoons and---
...fuck...
▶ No.51543>>51867
I didn't think it was needed but here's an example of Sera's $80 work. Not the worst I've seen, but clearly amateur in some areas, Off the top of my head, three artists who have more experience and cheaper prices for their highest work:
Jaeh $70 Detailed Color
Deonwolf $50 Colored
Kazecat $65 Soft Shaded
But really, I'm not just referring to Sera. She's just a symptom in a long line of people with 1000-3000 watchers (a good portion likely being bots) who suddenly decide that they must be popufur when opening their prices. Her gallery has five submissions, and seems to have been cleared out recently. Four pics done by her and a ref done by someone else. Numbers are suspicious, so I checked e621, and near as I can tell, Sera must have gotten her watchcount from the sheer amount of porn of their dragon. One gallery wipe later and it seems like they're trying to profit off those wanting to do naughty shit with her character. So a popufur grab first and foremost.
Again, Sera matters little in the grand scheme, but this behavior has been branching out, at least from my perspective. People suddenly deciding to use their character's fuckability to get people with loose wallets and little desire to explore giving them money for a chance at a pass with them or their owners. Pay $20 for art that I recolored from one of a million pre made bases and maybe I'll RP with you on Dickscord. Shit like that.
▶ No.51546>>51547
>prices comparable to someone with ten times as many watchers
So?
This is how I started. Flat out started charging 80$ for my stuff and now I sell art up to 300$ a piece if it has multiple characters.
I have under 1000 followers and a damn near constant stream of work coming to my direction.
Art = work
The idea that commissions should go for 30$ is retarded and it's been perpetuated by teens living in their mother's basements, who have no real life expenses to deal with.
If you want to make a living from art and you happen to live in a first world nation, selling stuff for under 50$ isn't sustainable.
Not to mention upping your prices from 50$ to something like 150$ is a pretty damn big increase and you're going to end up alienating your original commissioner base in the process.
It's better to start slow when charging near 100$ and to build a proper price range and a reliable customer base from that.
You're just seeing furry art take a more work oriented approach, instead of the hobbyist mindset that has ruled in the past.
▶ No.51547>>51579
>>51546
This sounds like contrarianism. Claiming you make well over the high end of most furry artwork per piece with a below average follower count. and choosing not to identify yourself leads me to believe you're fabricating your experiences to provide an intentional and false opposite. And that's not even counting how anecdotal that claim is.
There are multiple artists who function in the same price range as each other, and implying that you charge far higher and deserve far higher is an exception, not the status quo. Even if it were true, it comes off as bragging. Are you implying that you must have some super high tier of skill or quality that the lower charging artists don't have? Because you clearly don't have the same exposure, by your own admission.
"Oh, the poor artists are clearly just lazy or stupid for not being able to make hundreds on art at a time and all the basement dwelling faggots who think art should cost [insert about average price here] are retards for having the gall to compare pieces of similar detail and lump my clearly expensive and luxurious art in with some working class peasant."
Get over yourself, snowflake and go back to existing in your made up fantasy land or your equally fantastical land of pure luck and circumstance that put you outside the scope of an average artist.
▶ No.51568
>>51539
Correction: male raccoons should be shot on sight, and their women taken for "reconditioning".
▶ No.51579>>51609
>>51547
It's a well-known and confirmed sales technique to overvalue oneself, especially effective if the consumer doesn't really know how much he should be paying. Most people, walking into a store and seeing two almost-identical bottles of wine, one for $20 and one for $50, will assume the more expensive one is of a better quality. Also: see everyone who ever bought a $4000 Alienware computer.
▶ No.51609>>51642 >>51661
>>51579
That's great. A manipulative sales tactic is okay if it works.
Doesn't help that in the case of most electronics, most consumers don't have a measure of how suitable the product is for them unless they use it.
Art is different. There are examples of art quality, both from the person opening, and from the art other commissioned artists have done.Yes, art is subjective, but there are still objective measures that 'higher quality' art tends to survive on
Looking at the image here, would you prefer quality akin to the one on the left or the right?
Now what if tell you the art on the left is $80 from Sera and the art on the right is $70 from Jaeh?
The image on the right is more dynamic because of the posing and anatomy, despite the fact that the one on the left is technically less stationary than the one on the right. The artist on the right seems to have a more flowing understanding of how fur is meant to look, despite the fact that it's only used to adorn the armor, while the one on the left is supposed to be a furrier character.
You can even bring up the open status of each artist, but it's clear by nature of the Fast/Good/Cheap triangle, that by funding the artist on the left to do your commission, that you are sacrificing how Good AND Cheap the piece will be, and since it's their (reminder) FIRST TIME taking commissions, we don't even know how Fast they'll be either.
You don't pay extra for an unproven artist when by comparing their existing work, you only make it less likely that you'll be satisfied with your end product and how much you paid for it, let alone not knowing how long it'll take.
So no, overselling yourself does not work in the case of art, because it attracts assholes, LIKE ME, who are just going to criticize the price. An unproven artist needs to confirm they can even handle the stress of trying to satisfy someone that is not themselves and do so in a timely manner. They need to build rapport with customers, and often that's going to begin with them charging less to start out. Hell Milkybody is chill to do PWYW sketches for a dollar (extreme exception! NOT THE NORM!) in order to keep people attracted long enough to take her up on $65 full color commissions. Not to mention, she also establishes which customers are naturally willing to pay more, by seeing how much they choose to pay over an extremely bare minimum. And they are hardly the only person to do this.
▶ No.51621
>>51028 (OP)
>Mature/adult material
>Any fetish material
>Underage characters
Wait but they would be in nonsexual and nonfetish situations, what the fuck. So say you want a completely normal drawing of your fursona and a kid version of the fursona, for laughs? Guess that's a no.
>no macro/micro
That's a fetish, why single that out
>no perspective
>no wings
>no machinery
>no copyrighted characters
If it were just "no porn" they might be able to squeak by, but wow.
They better be a damn good artist, but saying no to perspective, wings, and machinery suggest otherwise.
▶ No.51642>>51657
>>51609
God, it's like listening to a kid trying to preach adults about adult responsibilities.
There's so much ironic naivety in this it's disgusting. It's hard to tell if you're actually serious or not.
>b-but look, this guy cucks himself out and works for a dollar
Not my problem. First, if you think that prevents furries from overpaying some other shitty artist, you're deluded. People are just gonna take the free-ish art and leave you to rot, gloating about how much you were stupid to undersell yourself and how now they have more money to spend on some other talentless faggot. Second, as that wouldn't work, then that kind of consideration is undeserved and unnecessary.
>I need to prove I can bear the "pressure" of commission work
HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
People pussy out all the time from commissions in this fandom and they still get plenty of business.
People don't fucking work at all and still earn tens of thousands of dollars per month.
So no, in the furry fandom my first and only choice is an aggressive approach.
>but assholes like me will complain
Be my guest, I can be a bigger asshole if need be.
Too expensive? Either stop being poor, stop complaining, or fix your market.
▶ No.51657>>51660
>>51642
>Fix your market
>If anyone tries to offer lower prices they are, by your words, "cucking themselves"
Okay nigger, you can't have it both ways.
▶ No.51660>>51661
>>51657
>reading comprehension level: kindergarten
Fix your market by not overpaying talentless fucks. When they will starve as they ought to instead of become rich, prices will naturally decrease. It's the buyer who fixes the market, not the seller.
▶ No.51661>>51664
>>51660
I'm surprised you can type so well while you're backpedaling as hard as you can, faggot. The post you quoted had two side by side characters, the one on the left being more expensive but looking fifteen different shades of shit compared to the one next to it. Even with the massive tits, Jaeh's art is obviously from someone with professional quality. It has responsive shading, he has amazing sense of depth, and his linewieght and expressiveness just completely shits on the boring, stale other example. Now you are saying to pay people like Jaeh instead of that no talent hack, and yet this is the exact same thing you were just chastising >>51609 for, saying it was like listening to a kid. So which is it, you contrarian piece of shit? You know what the real fucking problem of this fandom is? Know-nothing losers like you who have never picked up a pencil in their lives trying to tell people how artists should value their work. You have absolutely no idea what goes into a drawing or even what makes a good one if you think the drawing on the left looks even remotely acceptable for sale period, much less at a higher price than Jaeh's work. He isn't cucking himself out, he's valuing himself fairly because that's what a thriving market does. Read a fucking book you dumb motherfucker.
▶ No.51664>>51665
>>51661
>Jaeh's art is obviously from someone with professional quality.
Holy fuck, you're serious. You literally have no fucking idea what a professional illustration even looks like. This is the real problem with the fucking fandom.
You might argue that glitter-sprinkled shit is better than regular, plain old shit, but they're both stinky turds.
>if you think the drawing on the left looks even remotely acceptable for sale period,
Neither is acceptable.
The point was that purposefully underselling in an attempt to appear as the "nice artist" is futile and naive. People are just gonna exploit you and then run back to some other overpriced faggot "artist" and pay them with the money they were gonna give you
▶ No.51665>>51666 >>51667 >>51705
>>51664
>Neither artist is good.
Dang. Nice one. In one fell swoop, you've proven what a pigheaded asshole you are.It's obvious you're just a contrarian troll, saying the opposite of everything just to stir the pot. You're clearly not an artist, or even a shadow of one. So now I know your points up until now are total shit, mister high and goddamn mighty.
▶ No.51666>>51742 >>51773 >>51840
>>51665
Not the person you're responding to, but I'm an artist. That shit is bad. THIS is actual professional artwork. There's a night/day difference.
▶ No.51667>>51693
>>51665
I don't know what triggered all this fucking projecting from you but whatever. What do you want me to do? I could claim that I am a professional artist and I know better than you ever will and indeed this is the case, but would you believe it? No. It doesn't magically make me not a professional artist anymore, but it adds nothing to this conversation.
▶ No.51693>>51705 >>51712
>>51667
Really, that's all you got since you were destroyed time and again? That lameass appeal to authority shit? You really do have the debate skills of a five year old with his eyelids stapled shut. Alright, in that case, I'm a better and more professional artist than you are. And I say you're wrong. You lose!
▶ No.51705
>>51665
>>51693
>being this much of a dick-in-the-butt faggot
Go back to deviantart.
▶ No.51712
>>51693
Jesus, how ironic.
▶ No.51742>>51743 >>51773
>>51666
The idea wasn't that Jaeh = Professional. The idea was that Jaeh > Sera despite Sera's prices being higher.
Sure, the professional artwork > Jaeh, but Jaeh's art isn't automatically bad because it's 'unprofessional', just like how any art doesn't need to be of a certain degree of professionalism to qualify as good. Indie games can be unprofessional compared to AAA, but it doesn't mean the indie game is automatically bad or that the professional art is automatically good. Art example: Rob Liefeld, 'professional' comic artist (Pic related)
If Jaeh ever drew art compared to that pic, of course his prices would go up, but anyone who doesn't produce art of this tier, whether it's Sera OR Jaeh shouldn't charge that high either. The case is being made for a range between $50 to $100, not $200 to $300.
▶ No.51743>>51773
>>51742
This, also you have to consider Jaeh's example being like sketch quality basically for someone of his skill level. Even if someone draws something simple it doesn't mean they aren't a professional. He's drawn nice backgrounds before and he paints rather well. I can see him commanding higher prices for works like that compared to a simple flat color sketch with no background. This is on the lower end of his scale.
On the other hand the other girl charges even more for less quality thinking it's the hottest shit, which is why she is charging a premium. Its two artists very different pricing schemes just happening to overlap. Its really nothing to get in such a fuss about.
▶ No.51773>>51852
>>51742
>>51743
>The idea wasn't that Jaeh = Professional
>damage control
Don't throw words around randomly then.
>Indie games can be unprofessional compared to AAA, but it doesn't mean the indie game is automatically bad or that the professional art is automatically good.
Don't even get me started on that, just don't. I'll pretend I never read that.
>Art example: Rob Liefeld, 'professional' comic artist (Pic related)
Good job proving exactly the opposite of what you wanted to.
Ever heard of the "exception that proves the rule"? Textbook case. It's no wonder the pic became kinda famous.
>but anyone who doesn't produce art of this tier, whether it's Sera OR Jaeh shouldn't charge that high either
> >>51666 is in the 80-100$ price range
No buddy, that starts from 2,000 and up.
>it doesn't mean they aren't a professional
Make up your fucking mind. Pick up a dictionary, look up what "professional" means, then see if it applies to this guy or not.
▶ No.51793
>>51028 (OP)
>Dragon
>Will not draw wings
▶ No.51840>>51844
>>51666
>THIS is actual professional artwork
And who exactly has authority to decide what is professional artwork and what is not?
What exactly are the criteria for producing professional level artwork?
▶ No.51844>>51846
>>51840
Other than the artist being employed by a an actual studio?
>would this pic intrigue the hr department guys and make them consider hiring me as an artist?
If yes, it's professional, if no, it isn't.
▶ No.51846>>51867 >>51869 >>51870
>>51844
>having a job at a studio means you're automatically more skilled than an amateur/hobbyist
This artwork was made by someone who has a job at Marvel Entertainment.
If this is professional level then so is Jaeh.
▶ No.51852>>51870
>>51773
You completely mosread my post you fucking git. What I was saying is that Jaeh's best work is professional level and the example that was given would be a barebones sketch for him so barebones prices is fair.
The other girl charged more for her comparable work because she thinks its the best she can do, which is miles worse than a professional like Jaeh's sketch warmups. Again I reiterate that the reason these two pictures are even being put next to each other is because it shows two very different artists' vastly different price schemes overlapping. Everything you just screeched autistically about has nothing to do with any of that.
▶ No.51867
>>51846
This page is way better than this
>>51543
▶ No.51869>>51873
>>51846
>having a job at a studio means you're automatically more skilled than an amateur/hobbyist
Yes, or the amateur would get the job. Which would make him not an amateur anymore. Isn't logic just beautiful?
>If this is professional level then so is Jaeh.
Even your attempts at cherrypicking don't work. Can you step any lower than this?
>one whole comic page
>one of many others the same artist made
>with strict guidelines
>on tight deadlines
versus
>a single pic of a boob monster with wonky proportions on an empty background
>done by some random who dabbles in art and claims to be an artist
>at his own pace
>with nobody to realistically answer to except himself
Jaeh is not a professional.
We can stay here all night listening to your autistic screeches about Jaeh supposedly being more than he is. But he really isn't.
In the whole fandom, the artists I found who can produce content comparable to professional work can be counted on the fingers of a single hand. And they're not even the ones who get paid the most, even if they ought to. Let that sink in for a moment.
And this Jaeh is not one of them.
▶ No.51870>>51873
>>51846
>>51852
Just for the record, I finally got the chance to look this Jaeh guy up and holy shit it's even worse than I thought.
A full gallery of only disproportionate hambeasts and titty monsters, with the same effortless cel-shading, dating back 6+ years and not a shred of improvement in between.
And he has the nerve to ask people for money? He should commit suicide instead.
But since it's almost a 1000-picture gallery on e621, he must be yet another cancerous popufur and you must be part of his IDF. That would explain all this autistic white-knighting of yours.
▶ No.51873>>51875 >>51876
>>51869
>one whole comic page
>one of many others the same artist made
>with strict guidelines
Other artists hired by that same company can do this in the same amount of time
sometimes they even work on two comics at once, the illustrator for america (chavez) is really sucky yet he (probably she since muh diversity hires) is still employed professionally
>jaeh is not a professional
He makes money off his art so technically he is, however as I have proven just now, being employed has nothing to do with the quality of your artwork.
>>51870
>WEEEEEEÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆH THIS ARTIST I DONT LIKE IS MAKING MONEY SELLING COMMISSIONS HE SHOULD KILL HIMSELF1!!!!!! WREEEEEEEEEEEEEE, etc
Just don't ask him to draw anything for you then, obviously he has an audience, you don't need to be part of it.
▶ No.51875
>>51873
Hobos make money off begging in the street, I wouldn't call them professionals in anything nor consider them not unemployed.
I rest my case.
▶ No.51876>>51880
>>51873
Not that anon abut Jaeh is even worse than gweenpol art, look at this shit, even when comparing a single panel to his pic he still lose.
▶ No.51880>>51881 >>51882
>>51876
I don't see what's so terrible about it, would you mind elaborating?
▶ No.51881
>>51880
it doesn't fit his narrative, that's whats wrong with it
▶ No.51882>>51883
>>51880
Look at her arms and legs, she looks like a T-rex
▶ No.51883>>51885
>>51882
That's because she's stylized that way since jaeh gets a boner when he draws them like that, not due to a lack of skill.
▶ No.51885>>51887
>>51883
>she's stylized that way
>not due to a lack of skill
>it's a feature, not a bug
I weep for the future generations. Where did everything go so wrong?
▶ No.51886
>>51043
I am not an artist so this is just my own personal experience as a client. But the answer is yes. You don’t need to force yourself into g/fur to make money in the fandom and while yes, the fandom has a great focus on homosexuality there is demand for straight art as well. In the end just draw whatever you want. There are artists making a living out of retarded fetishes so why should straight art be a problem?
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>>51885
There is nothing preventing you from both creating and enjoying realistic paintings of wrinkly old men posing naked, if you're so inclined, but it's not deniable that many people enjoy this artstyle (as evident by the popularity of artists like jaeh, shadman and teckworks)
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>>51887
>shadman
This guy popularity comes from jumping from one bandwagon to another,he is infamous for being a shitty artist that shill his works everywhere.
Also there is any pics from this Jaeh where the anatomy correct?
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>>51888
It also comes from him being inflammatory and politically incorrect. Mind you I love political incorrectness but one thing is drawing nazi zombies and another is drawing a guy who just recently died of cancer being butt fucked by the grim reaper. Admittedly I laughed at said picture
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>>51888
That's not relevant, the fact of the matter is that chadman is immensely popular to the point where he now has other artists working for him on his own site, if his art really was "shitty", this would not be the case, clearly there is an audience for his niche.
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>>51887
Why do you keep replying to this obvious bait?
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>>51100
His victim never accused him of rape.
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>>51892
>clearly there is an audience for his niche
You can't justify the Transformers' film franchise's existence without coming off like a Jew, anon. The same can be said for shod.
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>>51889
>>51888
Shadman isn't even that bad an artist, he has mistakes in his work or stylistic decisions people might not like, but I think some are buying way too much into the meme.
>>51890
This shit is what annoys me about Shad the most, none of his shit offends me, but sometimes he crosses from normal edgy to being obnoxiously tryhard that's a little embarrassing.
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>>51028 (OP)
>will not draw mature content
>will not draw underage characters
so, she won't draw a family, then?
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Posted yesterday with samples of misguided cucks who may or may not want to put their imaginary penis in this girl.
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>Charging 80 bucks for one character
>Lewd not allowed
>Robot not allowed
The fuck? Why is it that no artist wants to take my money to draw lewd robots? This Mecha-Discrimination is annoying as fuck.