/fur/ - Furry★

I think being able to run like an animal with a human body is one of the less broken types of logic dreams have, because they rarely make any sense at all and change the laws of reality as they go.

Also otherkin are either mentally ill or willfully untruthful, drawing supernatural and spiritual conclusions from completely meaningless things. You wouldn't do any of those things that you "inherited from an animal soul" if you grew up secluded from any information about your animal of choice.

There's nothing that unusual about wanting to be an animal or liking some of their traits or nature or the world they live in, but drawing from that the conclusion that you have an animal soul or something like that is retarded. I can kind of understand the mentality because I've explored many forms of escapism myself, but it just does not look very good when looked at from the outside using a realistic mentality or when tried to make sense out of.

>>46495 (OP)

Last time I checked cuckchan's /x/ had a dedicated dream thred with people that would try to make sense of your dreams.

No idea if it's still around, though.

Just going to mirror what the first reply said. Otherkin would not exist without outside influences. Would a man living on a remote island with no animals other than fish and birds his entire life believe himself to be an otherkin wolf freak? Nope. Because he'd have never even laid eyes on one, and there'd be no likeminded group of mentally ill retards around to encourage his delusion and put more ideas into his head.

now im going to stop thinking about this before it leads into "would i be with my waifu if 4chan hadn't introduced me to the concept of waifuism?" and causes me an existential crisis.

>>46499

also if "otherkin wouldn't exist without outside influence" doesn't convince you enough, then perhaps this will.

If humans can be carriers of animal spirits of any kind, then why are there no otherkin of an objectively unattractive species? where are the crustacean and naked mole rat otherkin? pretty weird they're all cool animals like tigers and wolves. maybe it's because... they consciously chose their animal spirit based purely on aesthetic? but i thought it was an unconscious part of destiny!?

lastly it's a misinterpretation that furfags are otherkin. it's easy to assume so since so many have fursonas and fur suits.

but, no, otherkin are mocked openly on all furry platforms. i have seen people point and laugh loudly at them at fur cons.

furfags just want to fuck animals. and maybe some do want to be an animal. i know i do. but they don't believe that they are one currently trapped in a human body, no.

>>46497

Eeew. Cuckchan. Jewgle captcha, 1 captcha per post and my VPN is probably permab& too. Fuck that. Besides, I think I already understand my dream. Sort of.

>>46500

Yeah, I think self-delusion does play an important part in it. Bored, boring people want to be something more but can't be fucked becoming a perfect human. Same with trannies.

It is quite normal for humans to feel the urge to hunt and eat raw meat, especially when bored, pissed or hungry for protein/iron/whatever. But both are uncommon in most modern urban societies, especially amongst those dissatisfied enough to LARP as animals. So these fools think they are abnormal when in truth it is as normal as getting a boner for a pretty lady. Hello~? We are a predatory carnivorous animal that until quite recently ate lots of raw meat. Just because your family eats only slave animals that have been cooked doesn't change that it's in your blood. Killing things is fun, and fresh raw meat usually tastes good. Shit, it's even common knowledge that the colour red makes us hungry. Even vegans.

But rant aside, that could be another explanation besides USI as to why they always choose "cool" animals. Historically, wolves have always represented the archetypal predator amongst european cultures, whilst tigers represent predatory warriors from our contact with indians and asians. An african otherkin would probably think he's a lion or hyena and an aborigine would think he's a crocodile. A beach bum would think he's a shark.

Yeah, and don't worry. I didn't mistake you for otherkin. I just figured there'd be enough overlap that you might be able to answer my question. Like there might be discussion between the groups, or some might be ex-otherkin. I couldn't be bothered finding an actual otherkin community, especially one self-aware enough to seriously discuss the possibility that maybe they are misinterpreting vestigial or seemingly vestigial instincts.

>>46495 (OP)

You're being retarded. Your dream was random, you're not a fucking wolf. "Dream interpretation" is pseudoscience.

>>46517

>you're not a fucking wolf

No, but if reading comprehension was the only metric then you could certainly pass for one.

>"Dream interpretation" is pseudoscience

Tell me more about how the processes of your brain have absolutely nothing to do with the processes of your brain, Professor.

>>46500

>>>/zoo/

>>46528

>Tell me more about how the processes of your brain have absolutely nothing to do with the processes of your brain, Professor.

There's no evidence that dreams tell you anything about yourself, it's a random display. Again, you're being retarded.

>>46550

>There's no evidence that dreams tell you anything about yourself

If that's the case then the same can be said about conscious thoughts too because dreams have repeatedly and consistently shown themselves to be based on the dreamers thoughts, knowledge and state of mind. So either conscious thoughts say absolutely nothing about one's self, or you are a massive fedora-wearing idiot.

>it's a random display

[CITATION NEEDED]

>>46556

lol you're such a dumbass. OK, let's see some evidence that dream interpretation rooted in objective science?

>>46568

Oy vey, yes you often dream about stuff you've been thinking about, how does that mean you thinking about being a wolf and dreaming about it makes you a wolf?

>>46568

the only """doctor""" who ever thought dreams had a scientific explanation behind them and correlation to your psyche was a jewish quack.

>>46569

Go play in traffic, you niglet.

>>46570

But that's wrong you fucking retard. Almost every doctor ever has believed that dreams are based on thoughts, and all atheist doctors and most religious doctors don't think dreams are some freak divine anomoly that could never ever ever ever be understood.

Just because you are butthurt about Freud or whoever doesn't mean dreams are some sort of absurd mix of absolute randomness and extradimensional intervention.

>>46573

>Go play in traffic, you niglet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Hw3D08cUk

>>46568

>A dead giveaway should have been the fact that you only ever dream about comprehensible things rather than static

This. If dreams were truly "lol random" you would be dreaming static or non descriptive shit. That being said, most dream "theories" and "experts" are full of pseudoscientific shit like in all psychology fields. Until we can 100% know what's going on inside the human head, dreams are just something cool to experience and not worth of serious hard-science debate.

>>46578

>100% of the human population is an anecdote

>"ur unimportant" is an argument

>le magic DNA

>humans evolved from wolves

>RNGs will consistently throw out coherent data every time

God damn you are stupid. Your mother should have swallowed you.

What are they teaching you kids these days?

>>46579

Aye, but it is entertaining to discuss theories even if they never get enough evidence to be taken seriously.

>>46568

I either don't dream or dream of the incredibly mundane, myself. My best "dreams" are more daydreams to actual sleeping whatnot.

This said, though, while dreams can take pieces of your current status, thoughts, and so on, I would ultimately argue that they're about as reliable a frame of reference to someone's psyche as is a Rorschach test.

Which is to say, it might give you common experiences, or basic thought pattern, but not much of anything else, and nothing you couldn't've found elsewhere easier.

In the abstract, they're meaningless, I'd say.

>>46499

>Otherkin would not exist without outside influences

So where did the first one come from?

>>46585

just figured that was the best response to the full triggeredism.

Good thread, good question.

>So this got me thinking: What if I reached this conclusion because of instinct?

I'd say probably not. I think sensations, conscious or otherwise, have the most impact on how our dreams are structured and how we operate in them. Instincts could play a part, but the only theory that comes to mind is some kind of genetic fragment passed down through millions of years with an effect that somehow only manifests in ones' dreams, but this sounds really unlikely when compared to the former.

>>46503

>But rant aside, that could be another explanation besides USI as to why they always choose "cool" animals.

What's USI? I couldn't find a definition on it.

>>46639

USI in this context stands for "Unwarranted Self Importance" I believe.

>>46641

Ah, that makes sense, thanks.

>>46596

For the second and third person, you are 100% correct. But for the individual, I would disagree on the grounds that sleep is an altered state of mind wherein there is little external factors to interfere. So in other words, because your thought processes are different you might be more likely to notice things you wouldn't notice conscious and because you wouldn't be distracted with nonsense like "the laws of physics" or "survival" or "basic logic" so you can explore your thought processes in ways that wouldn't be possible while conscious and sober.

But, of course, nobody knows your mind like you do. So only the individual is qualified to judge what they are subconsciously thinking based on their muddled unconscious thinking. Even dream interpreters -the ones that aren't up to no good anyway- always say that you need to interpret the symbolism and shit yourself since different things have different meanings and significances to everybody.

>>46639

Yeah true. It's a much more simple assumption to say that I was running on my front instead of my feet because I was on my front instead of my feet, than it is to say that a blob of obsolete wiring somehow managed to be hidden away and passed down like junk DNA. So it probably is a much more sensible theory.

>>46593

>>46704

Literally nobody here is suggesting anybody has an animal's soul here you silly mammal-fanatics.