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A continuation of the last "Humans Alongside Furries Thread", a general thread about scenarios and ideas involving anthros and humans interacting with one another.
▶ No.36907>>36919 >>36928 >>36991 >>37161 >>58446
My fellow Amurricans, my opponent asks me to apologize for my lineage, and for my ancestry. But this, our great nation, founded in 1776, marks an important point in the history of human and feline relations. I'm not afraid to point at my race and admit to what I am. This year marks the 240th anniversary of the founding of this great nation, and the peace settled between the human colonists and the native mountain lion population as a result. It has been a challenging two centuries for my fellow Americans. We've fought long and hard for equal rights, extended not only to my own people but to all of the people of this great nation. However, we've never once had a feline president. Presidents from all over the political spectrum have come. Presidents from nearly every state, coming from many different walks of life. We've had white Presidents, black Presidents, but none yet to represent my feline bretheren. I have spoken to many experts in the field, and they have assured me that this may be the final step in bridging the ever-dwindling gap between our peoples, and strengthening the bond which has held America together through thick and thin, through two World Wars and through struggles against its own bretheren in the South. Can my opponent promise any such unity of people? I ask, can anyone in this amphitheater today? Thank you, that's all I wanted to say. Mister Trump?
▶ No.36914
>>36896 (OP)
>this was 500$
▶ No.36919>>36928 >>36972 >>49407
>>36907
>tfw you got Hillary instead of a catgirl
▶ No.36928
>>36907
>>36919
>tfw you got Hillary OR Trump instead of a catgirl
▶ No.36972>>49407
>>36919
>tfw the Democrats think Hillary is the best representative of liberals
I honestly wasn't a conservative until she had the gall to show her face and seriously say she wanted to be the President. Over my dead body.
Sage for off-topic.
▶ No.36990>>36993
>>36791
To reintroduce the concept here, it's interesting to note how of all the organisms on our planet, humans are actually one of the few species that mostly sticks to monogamy.
How would you guys imagine that this would affect a world where humans and anthros coexisted?
▶ No.36991>>37075 >>48526 >>48548 >>48598
>>36907
Are we going the route of local-area anthro populations based on their respective species?
I can't complain, that means qt gator girls in my area.
Poor gals are going to be totally feared inside cities, though. Everyone will assume they're living in the sewers, eating people late at night.
Incidentally, stereotypes based on the animal are something I think we never really explored much in the last thread. By that I mean, assumptions folk put up about, say, a sheep. They might, for instance, assume the sheep's going to follow whatever people say, because it's a 'sheep'. Now that's more an example of the specific word, much like 'badgering', but I think you can get what I'm aiming for.
▶ No.36993>>37075 >>37122
>>36990
From what I understand, there are quite a number of species what practice monogamy. So to speak, anyway. Single mate for life. Obviously animals don't get married.
Well, monogamy is mostly a cultural thing. Something of a recent fix, too. I suspect it'd be something they'd grow out of, the more they're exposed to human whatnot, though some types might be inclined to go the complete opposite direction.
Keep in mind, polygamy is still a thing in plenty of places for humans. It's just the west that's really got rid of it, for the most part.
▶ No.37001>>37005 >>37006 >>37078 >>37198 >>49110
What sorts of myths would cavemen and early civilizations make about furs, and vice versa? I'd imagine a furred or winged race might see humans as damned or demons, seeing as they couldn't fly, or show off their glorious manes, and generally look diseased compared to a furred species due to their lack of fur. Meanwhile humans might see the other species as gods for their ability to fly, or as equally damned as the furred species see humans.
What fur species would be the most likely to make friendly relations with us humans?
▶ No.37003
>>36896 (OP)
>FEEL MY PAIIIN
Fucking hell that's adorable.
▶ No.37005
>>37001
Before anyone says it: No dogs or other domesticated animals.
▶ No.37006>>40930
>>37001
Maybe wolves/wild dogs? We both have great stamina (albeit we still have much more), usually hunt in packs and wear down our prey using intelligence+endurance.
Although in a more 'realistic' setting,as realistic as we can get talking about anthros.. I think we would interact with them here and there, but hunt/fight them extensively or even drive them to extinction like we did with the neanderthals.
▶ No.37075>>37076 >>37078
>>36993
Well actually monogamy turns out to be tricky. There are two basic types: Social monogamy and sexual monogamy. Social monogamy is one in which two animals are mated, and they remain together as a mated pair, but either partner might choose to have sex with another of its species while still maintaining the relationship. Sexual monogamy is what most people think of when they think of "monogamy," in which a mated pair exclusively mates with each other. This is very rare, and most psychologists agree that humans, or at least most humans, are socially rather than sexually monogamous. It's in our nature; the porn calls to us.
>>36991
>Are we going the route of local-area anthro populations based on their respective species?
Well, sort of. That was what made the most sense to me, especially for the isolated Native American population, but I decided to leave it ambiguous whether the cougar population spread out after the colonists arrived, since I figured if anything would shake a native population from their homeland and into the wider world it would be colonialism and industrialization. Of course they would largely stick to climates that they're well-suited to, so that their fur is retaining the optimum amount of warmth so they neither freeze nor die of heat stroke, but in reality after transportation opens up that's really the only limitation they have, assuming they aren't culturally married to a place like the Native American human population.
▶ No.37076
>>37075
Athough now that I've thought about it, pack animals kind of create an interesting dynamic. Imagine a human woman entering a relationship with the alpha male of a pack and accidentally becoming the pack leader and ending up with all of the mates she could ever want. Imagine being pressured into accepting numerous males' courtships because it's in their nature to seek out the company of their companions' mates.
▶ No.37078
>>37001
Birds, probably. Flight means they're less at risk, and birds are often by nature curious.
This means they're the most likely to get close without being outright hostile.
>>37075
Well, sure, travel opens up a lot of moving around, but ultimately, the majority of folk stick to their homelands. There's more, say, French in France than elsewhere, despite having moved all over the world, leaving pockets of French everywhere.
Basically, even with the option to head northwards, there'd be more gators in the swamplands than there would be more inland, is what I mean. You don't need to be culturally tied to a place for this to be the case.
▶ No.37096>>37103
>>36896 (OP)
So is there any good comic/reading list for humanxfurry again?
▶ No.37103>>37106
>>37096
Only comic I can think of off the top of my head is http://www.mylifewithfel.com/
Unless you didn't mean humanxfurry in a romantic relation sense.
▶ No.37106>>37117
>>37103
Either/or I guess. I'm surprised there's not more of this stuff. Well, I mean I know it's out there but it's so hard to find half the time.
▶ No.37117>>37139 >>37147
>>37106
There's these too sorta I guess.
Bullshit space disease starts turning people in various ways, usually into animals in part or full, and victims of the sickness get discriminated against hard by normal people that haven't been infected.
Honestly the setting feels a little like that Deus Ex game where everyone hates on the augmented people for being ticking time bombs.
Except instead of possibly being ripped apart by a metal man for no discernible reason, they might transmit a disease that could turn you into a lamp or something.
Writing quality varies by author obviously, but I'm sure I remember a fair number of them being good.
http://tsa.transform.to/worlds/tbp/
▶ No.37122
>>36993
While you are right about how there are a lot of species that practice monogamy, from what I've looked up, the vast majority of animals practice polygamy
That being said, while I can imagine that polygamy could be the standard in anthro intraspecies relationships, human and anthro relationships might be different. I can imagine that a good amount of anthros might look for relationships with humans partially as an escape from polygamy, allowing them to spend as much time as possible with someone they love.
Not to say that there wouldn't be also humans that would also take part in polygamous anthro relationships, either because the human follows the anthros' cultural norms rather than the other way around, or due to personal desire for multiple partners. It just may be less common than anthros wanting monogamy with humans.
▶ No.37126>>37130 >>53866
I'm sorry but this shit really triggers me.
Filthy humans need to go.
▶ No.37130>>37132
>>37126
>Filthy humans need to go.
Said the "filthy human."
If your misanthropy is that bad and you have nothing to contribute to this thread, just go somewhere else. Nothing is keeping you here.
▶ No.37132>>37136 >>37137 >>37139 >>37141 >>37151 >>37179 >>37283
>>37130
Eh, I know exclusiveness is an unpopular position these days, but if a board is about cars, for example, I don't think there should be repetitive threads about "trucks and cars." It's a car board, ya dig? Go find your niche interracial car+truck fuck board.
▶ No.37136
>>37132
There are plenty of threads on this board which aren't about Humans Alongside Furries. Take your complaints elsewhere.
▶ No.37137
>>37132
Hating certain people is fine, but you start looking insane if you start envisioning humans as this unreedemable goblin-like creature of perpetual evil that has no place in any setting. If you love anthros so much for being 'different' or whatever there's still the fact that they would just be regular animals without the human qualities. Honestly, get over it. Stop being dense, and embrace the humanity. :^)
▶ No.37139
>>37117
Makes me think of Warhammer and the people who tried to use Chaos mutations as an excuse to roleplay anthropomorphs.
>>37132
There's nothing off-topic about this thread. We're discussing an important aspect of worldbuilding in a setting which includes anthropomorphic characters. Your objection is akin to someone going on /tg/ and complaining about their worldbuilding topics saying that you want to talk about board games rather than writing.
You're unnecessarily restricting your own interests. I can't convince you to like the topic of the thread, but can I at least suggest that maybe you might have fun if you indulge a little bit in the in-depth discussions that we've had over the course of the thread?
▶ No.37141>>38159
>>37132
First of all, trucks are cars, so the analogy doesn't really work.
Second of all, and more importantly, if this is supposed to be a "furry only" board and furries + humans is supposed to be an unnecessary combo, then I suppose we can't have furries + sci-fi or furries + fantasy either. There's a point where exclusiveness is just stupid.
▶ No.37147
>>37117
Ah yeah I thought you meant those, I like Phil Geusz's writings in that series, guess I'm more in the mood for romance right now though. I mean I could use it more in real life, but you know...
▶ No.37151
>>37132
just hide the thread, nerd
▶ No.37161>>37165
>>36907
Bog Boroughs for crocodilians.
Savannah Strips for lions
Canopy Crossways for opossums
Human cities for everybody!?
They say they are anti-speciest. What they mean is anti-human.
Anti-speciest is code for anti-human.
▶ No.37179>>37647
>>37132
This is definitely bait, but...
Your analogy is shit, in that cars and trucks are both automobiles.
But that's besides the point, anyway. We're talking about, in this context, 'cars'. Only difference is, we have 'trucks' along side said cars. Thus the title "humans alongside furries".
This is a worldbuilding thread around the idea of furry races not just being the usual 0 effort literally-just-copy-and-pasted human clones.
Here, we use humans to set furries apart from humans, so to speak.
▶ No.37198
>>37001
In most cases, early humans would have go to the extreme, they would be either Angels/Gods or Demons.
▶ No.37226>>37230
What the fuck is it with furries sticking with other furries on social media
Like you need to have a fursona and commissions to be acknowledged as a furry; just liking them isn't enough
▶ No.37230
>>37226
What does this have to do with the thread?
▶ No.37283>>37297
>>37132
>he thinks humans fucking cars isn't already a thing
ohohohoho
▶ No.37297
>>37283
Humans can and will fuck anything.
Even concepts,
▶ No.37473>>37528 >>37535 >>38178
It was brought up somewhat by this post (>>37001), but considering that humans are not covered in fur, how would anthros react to that in how they perceive humans and/or themselves?
▶ No.37528>>37535 >>53869
>>37473
My mind goes two ways here.
The first is that some anthros might see humans as inherently inferior because we don't have any natural protection in the form of fur, feathers, or scales, and rely on artificial protection instead. You know, like a lot of furries who have frequented even this thread.
I also think that there might be a weird psychological trick where they feel that humans are more open and trustworthy specifically because their skin is more exposed. Exposure implies trust, and therefore by not being covered with fur or scales we might naturally seem more trustworthy. It might depend on a lot of factors, mind, like the attitudes of the individual or the social circles they inhabit. Also that's kind of fucked because again we wear clothes, and some of our choices in clothing seem incredibly arbitrary (at least on the surface), like choosing to cover male chests despite there being no dangly bits up there that need protecting.
▶ No.37535>>37544
>>37473
Some might find it ugly, gross even. Others will find it exotic, and probably want to feel you just as much as humans'd be wanting to pet the dog person.
Lizards and aquatic types are going to be unimpressed, of course.
>>37528
That's when you challenge those fur-covered ninnies to a race in the southland heat.
See how well they fair in 95+F weather plus humidity, covered in fur and lacking out sweat capabilities.
▶ No.37544>>37548
>>37535
Reminds me of a similar "alien database" thing portraying humans as extremely dangerous superpredators.
"Humans evolved on a world where the sole method for creatures with any intelligence to gather nutrition is to murder and consume lesser creatures. As masters of this process, there is almost no parts of any kind of animal they cannot or will not eat. They gain vital nutrients even from consuming the organs and bone marrow of others, as well as muscle tissue. Lifeforms which have evolved chemical poisons or irritants to dissuade consumption are nevertheless often eaten by them for pleasure or the thrill of the challenge. They call it 'spicy'."
" 'Properly served fugu [a dish made from the flesh of a type of aquatic creature, which contains a neurotoxin fatal to humans] does not remove the poison entirely, but reduces it. Some remaining is desirable, so that the diner can experience tingling or mild intoxication.'
- (A human food preparer)"
"On their planet, many creatures achieved temporary dominion over other life through speed, or strength, or having sharp teeth or claws, or having a tough hide or defensive/offensive natural armor plating. But humans have none of these things. Before they formed complex societies and technologies, before they could even attach a sharp rock to a stick, even their wits barely served them. Their method for hunting down other lifeforms to consume them was to chase them. For days. Often at a pace, for humans, slow and comfortable and infinitely maintainable. Their prey would escape, time and again, but gradually become weak, until it finally dropped dead of exhaustion. This trait persists naturally in humans to this day. If you have wronged one, in even the slightest way, they will pursue you to the farthest ends of the galaxy with no mercy, and they will never stop until you are dead."
" '...to the last I grapple with thee; from Hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.'
- (Character from a popular human written work)"
▶ No.37547>>37766
>>36896 (OP)
>Humans Alongside Furries
I think you mean "humans and furries fucking".
▶ No.37548>>37594 >>37608
>>37544
I never really liked the portrayal of humans as 'predators', myself.
We're separate from the lot. I'd even go as far as to say we're largely outside the usual food chain. See, we can eat quite a huge variety of food. We can survive on foraging berries, fruits, and that sort, or from scavenging abandoned corpses, or actually hunted meats, as well as of course actually growing or simply harvesting and refining stuff like grain. See bush bread.
Point being, humans aren't predators or prey. We're survivors. We're pretty much designed to go anywhere and adapt to the environment. It's why we've gone so far, I believe. We go in, we adapt, we assimilate, and we advance to the next place to repeat the process, taking what we've found with us.
Do love the end of that, though. Above all else, the one value I've found universal in humans, that drives us to the highest points and the lowest struggles, that flies in the face of all sense of all natural instincts of self-preservation, is spite.
A human told they can't do something will do that, just for the sake of proving the other guy wrong. A human stuck in an impossible situation will refuse to believe it is impossible, and slam itself against the obstacle until it gives way. A human will actively sabotage itself, destroy its own labors and achievements, if it flies in the face of someone it hates. A human with the options of safety and prosperity at the cost of compliance, or certain death at gunpoint, will choose to dedicate itself to hurting the other guy.
Now, this isn't every human. But it's far, far too many of them. Most every single human holds some spite in their heart, no matter who you are, or how little it may be. That spite allows us to act with no regard for our own benefit or advantage. It allows us to act in defiance of our own instincts for survival. There's no sensible reason for a species like ours to have spite. It benefits nobody, and seems to be a self-destructive leaning. Yet, at the same time, I believe it also brought us where we are. Spite towards the very forces of nature, the laws of science, the limitations of the flesh, that let us do extraordinary, pointless things, like stick a human on the face of our moon.
Whenever people ask me, "What's the one trait of humans that sets the apart", I have to say spite.
▶ No.37594
>>37548
I think you mean to post this one m8
▶ No.37600
... Indigenous population aligned into two major factions.
... These factions continued combat operations between them even as they were threatened with extinction by our initial attack.
... Indigenous population warlike to the extreme - once Threshold construction is complete and gateway is open, entire indigenous population must be cleansed from the surface of the planet.
>Scrin intel database
▶ No.37608
>>37548
>We can survive on foraging berries, fruits, and that sort, or from scavenging abandoned corpses, or actually hunted meats, as well as of course actually growing or simply harvesting and refining stuff like grain. See bush bread.
Humans require sources of protein for essential amino acids (that the body cannot produce on its own). A careful modern vegan diet involving corn and legumes can provide this, but just eating bread and berries will kill you in short order. Eating from carrion will kill you MUCH FASTER. Much as some people might want to argue the point, the fact remains that humans evolved to require meat.
I really like what you said about spite, though. Just like one can reduce every sin to a form of pride if you try, all human accomplishments can be reduced to spite if you try. Curiosity, persistence, exploration, hope. Anthropologists have suggested that the primary difference between humans and neanderthals is that the latter never moved around very much from their initial location. They were content with the place they lived and felt no desire to spread. But not humans. In a few thousand years they traveled to every corner of the globe, with zero need to do so. That's a distinctly human trait. To look across a gulf of dangerous waters and spy a tiny speck of land, and say "I want to go there. I NEED to go there." Humans are never content where they are, never content with what they have.
Something I realized when I was a little kid (maybe around seven or eight or so) was that there is no way to fully satisfy a powerful emotion. At the time, some adult had wronged me, in my childish interpretation, and it had made me very angry, so angry I wished they were dead. I wished I could beat them to death, but then I realized that it wouldn't be enough. I wished I could hurl them into the sun but keep them alive and constantly burning for a million billion kazillion years, and it still would not be enough. There was no absurd torture I could devise that made me think "Yes, that will do. That will satisfy my anger." and in that moment I knew how irrational I was, and all people are.
Spock once said: "Having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting." Happiness, for a human, is balancing on a knife edge between wanting something, and thinking they are on the track to getting it. Building up money for retirement, moving up the career ladder, dating a new romantic interest. On the contrary, there is NOTHING more dangerous than getting everything you ever wanted. That is why celebrities and superstars who make millions and millions of dollars so often turn to drugs or suicide. After getting the giant house, fancy cars, a butler to serve them, a yacht and a private jet, having all the gourmet food and drink they could possibly consume, attending parties and social events every day, getting all the sex they can handle, and having thousands of "friends", they suddenly come to the crashing realization that it's not made them happy. And it NEVER WILL. Getting a yacht won't make anyone happy for long, but thinking that they'll eventually have the money to retire and buy a yacht can sustain someone in happiness for a lifetime.
That's human nature. To have a roof over your head, a family and a support group, a stable source of food, and safety and security, but looking over that gulf of water every single day and wishing to step foot on that land. The United States put a man on the moon, partially to spite the USSR, but it was also something deeper and more primal than that. It's the fact that being human means never being satisfied for long, and always wanting more, especially in regards to exploration. Supposing they don't go extinct, humanity will eventually spread out and conquer the entire galaxy, and all the surrounding galaxies, possibly the entire universe (depending on if it ever becomes possible to travel faster than the speed of light) and it will NEVER BE ENOUGH.
▶ No.37647
>>37179
>the idea of furry races not just being the usual 0 effort literally-just-copy-and-pasted human clones.
God I hate this.
The only reason it's so prevalent is because of fursonas.
The furry fandom would be way better off if it just gave up on the fursona thing.
▶ No.37754>>37758 >>37780 >>37787 >>53876 >>53905
What if anthros were created as a result of science in the future? Or even through arriving from another dimension. How would people interact with anthros because of this, as opposed to if they occured through evolution?
▶ No.37758>>37778 >>37787 >>38130 >>38178 >>53905
>>37754
>What if anthros were created as a result of science in the future?
I considered for a while writing a setting in which anthros are genetically-modified humans built as a result of a push for "custom genetics." People want to look different, so they customize their genetics, and as a side-effect their children now have those customized genetics. Obviously this is quite a ways into the future.
The problem with the setting is that such offspring would inevitably grow to resent their parents for making a decision that affected the very DNA that defines them as humans. It's one thing to modify your body, and another entirely to do a body mod that impacts your descendants. This is a really cool concept for a science fiction story, in my opinion, but I'm not a strong enough writer yet to really capture it.
▶ No.37766
>>37547
>Humans Inside Furries
▶ No.37778
>>37758
What would be so heinous about that if they could just change to whatever they wanted too? It would be worse if furries came about from people doing test tube vanity babies to be different.
▶ No.37780>>53876 >>53905
>>37754
Also the most likely scenario for furries to exist is a gengineered corporate labour force, or alternatively, later on as 'uplifts' once humans become post scarcity/spacefaring. I think both of them are interesting in different ways.
▶ No.37787>>38021 >>38130
>>37754
Hmm, I wonder what could've given you this idea...
Anyway, they'd likely end up much, much more humanish if they were built by science.
The net result would be we'd treat them fairly huamnish in return. Not completely, but mostly.
>>37758
I think that'd depend a lot on whether or not the kid can make their own modifications later on.
If everyone's modding themselves all the time, nobody's going to worry too much about it. I doubt it'd cause that much disdain for your parents when you're born a sharkgirl because one of them had a fetish, so long as you could easily change into a dragon if you'd like.
▶ No.38021>>38147 >>38157
>>37787
I'm still kept awake at night thinking about that god damn game. Good if you want to get some emotional moments and feel bad for some characters but awful if you want to focus on the god damned travesty of the story. It had me going middle of the way through then nose dived right after, not to mention the overly long winded exposition about bio-weapons and time travel. Half the game to me is still summed up best with the quote, pardon me for not knowing who it came from but and butchering it but; "No one but you cares about your sci-fi explanation."
▶ No.38130>>38147
>>37758
I'd figure if its 'quite a ways' into the future as you say, we'd be advanced enough to be able to still have human offspring despite changing the parent(s) genetically?
>>37787
Forgive my ignorance anon, I have no idea what that game is.
Also when you say much more humanish, in what ways?
▶ No.38147
>>38130
Angels with Scaly Wings. Was recently posted in the furry video games thread.
A fun game, but like >>38021 said, it's got a lot of issues in the story department. Still, the characters are swell, and it was decent up until the end.
Also, Anna is best girl.
Culture, primarily. As well as ways of thinking. Essentially, engineered-by-humans creatures are like to be, so to speak, made in humanity's image.
▶ No.38157
>>38021
>tfw never had any real interaction with people and this game was the closest I have ever gotten to getting what I want.
▶ No.38168
>>38159
>trucks and cars aren't basically the same thing.
▶ No.38178>>38181 >>38199
Have some various pics
>>37473
I'd imagine that at least some anthros would try shaving off parts of their body hair, as they might observe that humans live just fine without fur. Perhaps not everything, like their head, but at least the fur that would be under their clothes.
>>37758
I can imagine that the offspring of genetically modified humans would be fine with the change if they had the resources to make their own changes as well, like if they inherit the money necessary for the procedure. If they don't have the resources, however, then they would resent their ancestors.
▶ No.38181>>38182
>>38178
Why does that fox girl have 1 plantigrade leg and 1 digitigrade leg?
▶ No.38182>>38185 >>38186 >>38187
>>38181
It's the angle. She has two plantigrade legs, and she's lifting one of her heels.
▶ No.38185
>>38182
Her left foot is way longer than her right foot.
▶ No.38186>>38189
>>38182
You can very clearly see that her left foot is way longer than her right and that her left knee is way higher up on that leg than the right.
▶ No.38187>>38189
>>38182
The anatomy of the two feet is clearly different. Look at her ankles; look at the fur pattern.
▶ No.38189>>38190
>>38186
It looks like she's lifting her leg up as she's walking, which would explain why he knee is higher, as well as her left foot looking longer if it did extend to the ground. As for why she's doing that? I dunno, maybe she like walking in a bouncy fashion?
>>38187
Could just be a fur pattern that isn't the same on both sides of the leg.
The fox girl having both plantigrade and digitigrade legs doesn't make any sense, and I don't think the artist would have drawn it that way, so I'm just passing it off as a quirk with the angle of the picture.
▶ No.38190>>38191 >>38204
>>38189
Your rationalizations make no sense.
Face it the artist just fucked up.
▶ No.38191>>38204
>>38190
The only thing that I'd say he fucked up is the coloring of the leg. I mean the fur pattern being different shouldn't be too much of a stretch, but it would have been easier for them to be the same.
I don't get how my rationalization wouldn't make sense otherwise. If she's lifting her leg, then of course it would be higher, and while the angle of her left foot could make it look like she has a digitigrade leg, it wouldn't make sense for it to be an actual digitigrade leg.
▶ No.38199
>>38178
The second one 10/10
▶ No.38204
>>38190
He likely did, however, his rationalization is probably the most accurate for the reason as to why the artist fucked up.
I really doubt the artist is intentionally making two separate types of legs on the thing.
>>38191
Even accounting for the raising of the leg, it's got the wrong look to it. For one, the biggest issue I can see is, the foot appears to be larger. It's likely just a mistake, in any case, that was simply not noticed until too late.
▶ No.38210>>38239 >>38246 >>53877
A somewhat consistent idea that has been across these threads is how in a world with humans and anthros, a number of humans would not treat anthros kindly due to their race. However, I began thinking of something because of that.
If there anthros existed, would racism against various human ethnicities by other humans be different? For example, would persecution against blacks be less common if there was a race that was less distinctly human them wandering about as well? Or would any change be minimal, and that there would be racism against both in equal regards?
▶ No.38239
>>38210
To be fair, Pink is a slut. I don't think that had too much to do with her being a catgirl. Like immediately after that scene she fucks whatshisname to feel better, iirc.
▶ No.38246>>38312
>>38210
It kind of depends. In the previous thread I said that our attitude toward anthros would depend largely on their utility to us as workers, so slavery would be a natural conclusion to draw slowly leading up to anthros simply dominating certain labor markets in the modern era due to their natural strengths. I think that the initial slavery would sour human relations with anthros in the same way it soured our relations with ethnic minorities such as the Irish. However, as a direct result, because we would be less dependent on Irish slaves, our attitudes toward the Irish wouldn't be as bad as they are in real life. Probably still bad; there's a reason there was an Irish slave trade after all, just not as bad, because we wouldn't have needed as many Irish slaves to build the railroads if we had bulls to do the job as well.
▶ No.38312>>38343
>>38246
>irish
>slaves
They were paid, albeit badly. I understand it might be easy to confuse potato niggers for normal niggers if you're blind, but they're two completely different races.
off topic sage
▶ No.38343>>50545
>>38312
I think you're thinking of the indentured servants, who were not paid; they were enslaved for the purposes of paying off a debt. There were also Irish slaves. Your transparent attempt to disguise your "only black people were enslaved" SJW bullshit only makes my point more striking.
off-topic sage
▶ No.38469>>38487
>>38447
Forgot to include this
▶ No.38487>>39710 >>39833
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>>38469
I imagining trend of male hyenas marrying outside their species. However, the hyenas decided that their solution is to treat them more shit. Eventually, female hyenas just start artificially inseminating.
▶ No.38496>>38498 >>38507 >>38552
If there was a parallel universe where your two most favorite anthro races lived in tandem with humans, and then at some point they released their version of this movie. except Chris Washington, Walter, Georgiana, Logan, and that asian actor were swapped with anthro actors instead, how do you think that world by and by would react to a thriller movie like that? Doesn't necessarily mean the anthros in that world went through an enslavement and emancipation phase.
▶ No.38498
>>38496
This is an interesting question, because regardless of what my two picks would be for anthropomorphic species, any horror movie in which some of the cast are swapped out with anthros would be really weird.
Empathy is an emotion designed to be felt towards members of one's own species. The more different a person is from you, the more difficult it is to feel empathy. Now, this is very important, because it's the reason why the black guy dies first in every slasher film: The more different a person is from you, the harder it is for you to feel empathy towards them.
So, given that anthros are a completely different species, I deduce that humans would be capable of feeling empathy toward them (I made the case for human-on-anthro relations multiple times in this thread) but it would be exceedingly difficult, and quite rare, for humans to empathize with anthro characters on the screen, or even in literature. That's why we only use them for cartoons IRL and only very rarely for horror movies.
▶ No.38507
>>38496
>Get out
You need to.
▶ No.38552
>>38496
The subtext changes entirely, because the family's motive wasn't about any slavery angle, murderous racism, or seeing blacks as inferior. It's because they viewed blacks as superior gene-wise all well round to bodysnatch. And even that blind guy didn't want George because he was black, he just wanted his eyes and gift of photography. But in an anthro/human world, it's not about wanting to posses... I unno, Gator!George for better genes, but because the family thinks gators are better than humans.
I would still see the film being a critical success for subverting the viewers expectations of it being your standard slavery-in-modern-times or village of murdering racist hillbillies. But I would see more people throwing a fit about it. Some humans may decry Anthro!Get Out as being the human wide equivalent of antisemitism, depicting all humans as antagonistic or fetishists towards other species. Or because the subtext is now this race is superior to humans people may criticize it for implying humans are inferior and envious of our anthro contemporaries.
▶ No.38741>>38987 >>39057
How severely would various regions, myths, and superstitions be impacted if anthros existed alongside humans? I thought about this, and while I thought nothing much would change, I realized that most creation myths would have to take them into account.
▶ No.38987
>>38741
Unless you go the route of specific gods for each lot, as is often done in fantasy stuff. For a one-god lot, it might be more finicky.
▶ No.39057
>>38741
Myths and legends arise by people trying to fill in what cannot be explained or comprehended at the time. Ie, Thor or Zeus being the entity behind thunders. Or if accounts are to be believed, people who saw men on horseback for the first time and believing they are one creature, spawning the mythological story of the centaurs. Add to the mess when you have a line of 20 people try and pass the same story, and at the end of it it becomes an entirely different story. So even if there was an isolated interaction, accounts get fuddled down the road to the point that one anthro's account of seeing a human becomes some sort of folklore creature. Of which I have several ideas in mind.
-Relevant to long muzzled or beaked anthros, humans might inspire a story of a round, flat faced monster who punishes unruly children who do not finish their supper, sneaking inside their bedrooms and tearing their muzzles/beaks off, dooming them to starve to death for the rest of their remaining days. More malevolent forms of these monsters could arise, ala the Headless Horseman but instead depicts a horrid spirit who lost his jaw. Or perhaps vengeful spirits who died of starvation but their spirits are depicted as having no mouths, and would stop at nothing to snatch other anthros mouths to fulfill eating again.
-Humans (mostly) hairless skin may evoke an unnerving legend of facially featureless, hairless bodysnatchers that slip inside anthros bodies to stay warm, but when it's time to find a new body because the old one is rotting, they tear their pelts off to reveal the furless monsters beneath and begin searching for the next host to slip inside.
▶ No.39527
>>36896 (OP)
I don't know why, but I really want one of these awesome skin-suits. A hoodie that's also a mask? Holy shit.
▶ No.39613>>39623
Question of the day: What aspects would anthros find humans to be better intimately in bed than their own kind?
Hard Mode if the anthro in question is moderately taller than humans.
▶ No.39623>>39645
>>39613
Endurance.
Also, lack of fur. Depends on the anthro, of course.
▶ No.39645>>39664
>>39623
>Endurance
Basically this. In the vast majority of the animal kingdom, sex is done and over with in less than a minute, and for some species less than ten seconds. The number of animals that can fuck for literally an hour is extremely small.
Also, lots of mammals have very thin and bony dicks. Bottoming for a human, with their thick and fleshy ones, would probably be a lot more enjoyable for both males and females.
▶ No.39664>>39696 >>39720 >>39824
>>39645
Man, in that case, human lion and cheetah chasers would be very disappointed in bed. And thus antelopes, camels, ostriches, select sled dogs and horses would then be more enjoyable partners.
Still wouldn't animals gain more natural stamina the further their forms translate into a humanoid semblance? Granted, I'm aware it runs at risk of losing their exotic luster if they become too human mind and body. But why are we assuming an anthro cheetah will still retain the exact same level of weakness as a feral?
The last thread explored the idea that an 'ideal' horse anthro would require between 3-6 times as much calories per day to maintain or perform heavy activities on a daily basis, but that's generous compared to actual horses requiring 7-15 times as much calories as humans.
You win some, you lose some.
▶ No.39696
>>39664
>Still wouldn't animals gain more natural stamina the further their forms translate into a humanoid semblance?
It's not really a matter of stamina, it's just how quickly males ejaculate, of which the most telling factor is how many predators said animal has in its natural environment. Herbivores tend to do so in only a few seconds because if they spend too long messing around, they'll get eaten. Predators and omnivores can take their time. Big cats are a bit of an odd way, because although they finish quickly each time, they also tend to have sex dozens of times in a row just because they can. Canines get stuck for as much as half an hour (although, following the rule, smaller ones do so for less time). Raccoons have sex for over an hour (and the female can't get away because the male has a hook-shaped penis). Small birds get it over with in a few seconds, but an ostrich takes about a minute.
Of note is the fact that humans are naturally middle-ground when it comes to sexual stamina. A man can choose to hold back because he is intelligent enough to do so, but would otherwise only last a couple minutes at best if he were trying to finish as quickly as possible. This makes sense, as humans evolved not as superpredators, being preyed upon by lions and tigers and possibly very large birds.
This means that it really depends how anthros evolved in the first place. If they were "top of the food chain" on whatever planet they came from, they would last longer than if they are just uplifted versions of Earth creatures. This would be an interesting concept to explore: an alien creature who is a superpredator on their planet, and has a grandiose and complex sexual ritual always lasting for hours that would almost exhaust a human to collapse. "Masturbate? I don't see how you manage such a thing within your busy lives. Doesn't it also take you ninety minutes to reach orgasm? No...??"
▶ No.39710
>>38487
>Eventually, female hyenas just start artificially inseminating.
Not if I'm around. Anyways, I'd say modern day technology would make their lives a lot easier too, especially when it comes to giving birth.
▶ No.39720
>>39664
Depends on if you think of anthromorphization as turning more human.
I prefer to think of it in terms of 'raising' a race. As in, bringing them to human level, so to speak, without actually changing the lot. Evolving them, as it were.
▶ No.39824
>>39664
I would like to think that if you uplift a race, or at least genetically modify one to be semi-human, the responsible of the project would fix any perceived weakness depending on the scope of the mods
Increasing sexual stamina would definitely one of those thing if meant to be integrated in society with humans, and irrelevant if just meant to be soldiers or low intelligence servant, would probably be quite the ego booster for a human male having an hair trigger female species like mares, creaming herself over his cock over and over again
Sure woman would get the short end of the stick, unless special models are made
▶ No.39833>>43551
>>38487
>tfw can't save a male hyena from his abusive relationship and be bros with him
>tfw will never stroll down the street as part of a pack together looking out for each other but just generally having a nice time doing stupid shit like watching movies or getting drunk together
>tfw will never play ultimate frisbee or football together or just work out and watch him become his own person and regrow his self confidence
>tfw he will never help you move and you'll buy him lunch
>tfw you'll never do ironic hip bumps with him
>tfw you'll never roast roastie hyena females that come after his new and improved self
>tfw you'll never be thunder buddies
FUCK YOU GOD
▶ No.39906>>39990
I like 0laffson's setting tbh. Although one thing that bothers me is how apparently humans are afraid to go to war with the lizard nomad people because they are physically stronger.. Despite the fact that those humans already have gunpowder technology and superior nations.
▶ No.39918>>39932
>>39842
That pic's so hot in theory but once you look at the thights the whole fucking pic falls apart.
▶ No.39932
>>39918
The anatomy always struck me as off. Ass hangs out too much.
▶ No.39990>>39993 >>40004
>>39906
Don't superior strength trump firepower though?
▶ No.39993>>39996 >>40005
>>39990
I dunno. Why don't you shoot a lion at 100 yards and then ask him?
▶ No.39996>>40000 >>40007
>>39993
A lion's not covered in tough scales though, only soft fluffy fur.
▶ No.40000
>>39996
Plus due to them being lizard people they probably heal fast too.
▶ No.40004>>40005
>>39990
I don't know, how's a 20mm do against an elephant?
▶ No.40005
>>39993
>>40004
Ah, shit, someone basically said the same thing. 'S what I get for just jumping in.
▶ No.40007>>40008 >>45542
>>39996
To a bullet, the difference between skin and scales is nil. Unless these lizard-people have a hide that is tougher than plate steel (even primitive muskets made knights with their shining armor irrelevant) it's not going to matter.
When a bunch of savages with melee weapons meets an organized force with ranged weapons, the result is a slaughter. The only way the lizards win is furrywank bullshit (like having bulletproof skin) or the humans being useless at any sort of strategy.
▶ No.40008
>>40007
You'll also need a lot of cushion behind the steel, 'lest you want massive internal bleeding.
And that's assuming big heavy rifle plate steel scales.
Oh, and it still leaves issue for anything bigger than a standard combat rifle round. Fullsized shit goes through, typically.
▶ No.40273>>40285 >>40307 >>40381 >>40385
Question of the day, while we have agreed that avian anthros would be more inclined to have friendly relations with humans. Which race do you suspect would be inclined to be distrustful of humans despite the gift of sapience? How do you think history will proceed in that alternate timeline?
▶ No.40285>>40288 >>40307 >>40327
>>40273
Something tells me equine anthros would be one of the less human-friendly races, since they spook easily and aren't the most intelligent set of species. To them humans would probably come across as two-faced predators that are always trying to get an edge over them. Even domesticated horses can demonstrate significant distrust of humans, especially full stallions, so I feel an entire society of them would share that collective unease.
If non-anthro horses remained a thing I imagine humans would get labelled as slave-mongers by the equine peoples. This could lead to all out wars of liberation given that humanity for a long time relied on horses for transport and industry to advance as a society; if humans were to lose these wars they might get locked into primitive nomadic ways of live, and if they were victorious resentment would probably sit with bitter equine tribes even after technology allowed humans to start ditching living steeds.
If there weren't any four legged horses, just anthro ones, I feel humankind might be fucked in terms of getting over technology gaps that we've previously surpassed. Maybe we'd get better at mustering camels to compensate? I'm not the biggest expert on domestication and husbandry, so I might be overstating the importance of horses in the development of human civilization.
▶ No.40288>>53926
>>40285
Alternative interpretation: what if horse and canine anthros have some inborn tendency to want to be close to humans and are happiest when they're being useful to the tribe. Perhaps there are different species some of which behave like you described and others that are more like the ancestors of the animals we domesticated.
▶ No.40307>>40363 >>40381 >>53927
>>40273
Well, with avians, it's more that they can run away and are naturally a curious lot, so they're more inclined to get close enough to have friendly relations with humans.
We'd probably find a lot more common ground with dogs, say, than birds.
Anyway, for 'least trusting', I'd look to deer or similar creatures.
Naturally skiddish, and it seems not inclined to take chances. Easily spooked, and when one takes off running, it usually keeps running for a fair while, so 2nd chances are unlikely.
>>40285
I'd personally hope anthros view their 'ancestor' races as we do monkeys, and so don't hold grudges for using dumb animal workers.
Otherwise, the entire lot is going to have major issues, depending on how many anthros you add in.
This said, horses are only one of the many different hauling animals we have used. And they only really came up fairly late in our development. Even then, they were rare.
It's oxen that're the big important ones. Without them, we'd have major slowdowns on farming.
▶ No.40327
>>40285
>If non-anthro horses remained a thing I imagine humans would get labelled as slave-mongers by the equine peoples
The flipside would probably be true if horses reached sapience. But then again, being a slave made to service a stable full of well-bred, massive stud stallions is every furfags' fantasy.
▶ No.40363>>40380
>>40307
>We'd probably find a lot more common ground with dogs
Dog society would be awful to deal with on the equal footing provided by anthropomorphization. Imagine striking relations with a bunch of fanged idiots that are "constantly" trying to either assert their dominance over you, or subvert their individuality in favor of having their reigning alpha do all the work. While their penchant for only respecting those within the pack who can provide resources and security is probably something humans could manipulate, the general culture of dogs would need a bit of evolution to make them more palatable to humanity on more than a simple exploitative level.
▶ No.40380
>>40363
>Imagine striking relations with a bunch of fanged idiots that are "constantly" trying to either assert their dominance over you, or subvert their individuality in favor of having their reigning alpha do all the work
So literally humans, except with fangs. Gotcha.
▶ No.40381>>40382 >>40455
>>40273
Ants. Having colonies that work like a 'single organism' they would pretty much lack individuality and see individual beings as disposable. They would be distrustful of every other sapient race that does not work as their own.
>How do you think history will proceed in that alternate timeline?
Extermination or alliance due to ants being a very powerful military society with expansion goals. Both outcomes would demand lots of sacrifices due to aforementioned reasons.
>>40307
>We'd probably find a lot more common ground with dogs, say, than birds.
Nah, we would have more common ground with anthro lions. Unless we domesticate anthro wolfs, there would be no sapient dogs.
▶ No.40382
>>40381
To be fair, that depends on the ants. Black ants are mostly going to be okay, for the most part, probably.
Red ants are going to be massive cancer.
On the plus side, having a race of genocidal assholes is a great way to get everyone else to work together.
▶ No.40383
>>40341
>middle picture
It's like when kids ask why a person is black
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▶ No.40385
>>40273
Humans are pretty much the only species in the world that's learned to feel empathy for other species--mostly dogs and cats--and that only to a limited extent. There's always going to be an element of distrust pretty much no matter what because of subtle differences in facial expressions and other non-verbal communication.
It's like when you're in a room and you overhear two people speaking a language you don't understand: Obviously you know there's probably nothing devious going on, but it just instinctively feels like they're talking about you.
▶ No.40455
>>40381
>Anthro ants
Pretty much just how it went in HunterXHunter, tbh.
▶ No.40826>>40831 >>53928 >>54136
We mentioned in the previous thread that equine anthros might be the considered the most suitable to be made into slaves. What about other races though, assuming there's a large variety of anthro races? In a time where slavery is still prominent, if there's one anthro race that is preferable to the others to be made into slaves, what would you guys think would happen to other races in regards to slavery as well?
▶ No.40831>>40930
>>40826
I can't imagine that it wouldn't end up being one race enslaving basically ALL of the others, if possible. Just because horses are well-suited to physical labor doesn't mean other species couldn't be made to do other things. Sure, you need strong ones to plant and pick the cotton, but the weak ones can still de-seed it and spin it and weave it.
▶ No.40930>>41024
Something I'm interested in is the differences in mentality of "evolved" household animals. Be it due to human extinction or, more in line with the thread, uplifting. If they were just artificially selected for intelligence until they developed sentience, how would their thinking differ from humans?
I mean, uplifted dogs defaulting to do everything in group, with individual work being stressful for them. Or felines being on the sociopath spectrum by default, with rare individuals not displaying it.
>>37006
We interbred with Neanderthals, actually.
>>40831
And besides, the less humanlike, the less empathy, the easier to enslave. Widespread eugenics of the slave population could be done without major hurdles (like we do with dogs and farm animals), and the likelihood of abolitionism is lessened.
▶ No.41024>>42702
>>40930
>Something I'm interested in is the differences in mentality of "evolved" household animals. Be it due to human extinction or, more in line with the thread, uplifting. If they were just artificially selected for intelligence until they developed sentience, how would their thinking differ from humans?
This comic seems to deal with that.
https://exhentai.org/g/830813/166791d6d5/
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▶ No.43551
>>39833
this is the straightest post I have ever read in my entire life.
fuck yeah.
▶ No.43591>>43592 >>43620
Question of the day. If you happened to hit the cosmic lottery and was reborn as your ideal race in another reality, would you prefer to have relations with your own kind or with a human because you find interspecies relations more enticing?
▶ No.43592
>>43591
Assuming this "reborn" process doesn't significantly alter my personality, "my own kind" would still be humans. That said, the answer either way is: "why not both?"
▶ No.43620>>43711
>>43591
Personally, despite having a fursona, I find it more fun to remain human and fantasize about fucking another species. I don't know if that makes me unimaginative or if it's just because I like being human more than I like having to shampoo my balls every morning.
▶ No.43711>>44187
>>43620
Shampoo is a marketing scheme, anyway. How often do you shampoo your dog? Like once a month or if they decided to roll in some mud, right? And unless they have some kind of skin disease, they don't stink. But they're outside and don't even have clothes to keep off the dust, so they should be much dirtier than you are. Yet you have to vigorously wash yourself twice a day or you'll turn into a walking pile of rotting filth. Uh huh.
▶ No.43832>>43872 >>43886
What about size conflicts?
▶ No.43872
>>43832
Not personally my fetish, but size conflicts, as it seems to me, add a level of challenge to sexual encounters that I could imagine being very exciting to work out in real time.
▶ No.43886>>43889 >>43897
>>43832
Size difference is my fetish.
As far as sex goes, unless it's really extreme, like in your picture, it's probably mostly fine.
I've seen girls use horsecock dildoes, so I imagine things'll stretch enough.
On an unrelated note, why is size difference involving humans so fucking rare?
And that's leaving off the whole too far one way or the other bit.
▶ No.43889>>43898
>>43886
Probably because the kind of girls (or guys) who can stretch that far have to practice for it and people want some kind of plausible deniability that doesn't make them feel like they (or their partners) haven't been trying hard enough.
▶ No.43897>>64481
>>43886
>why is size difference involving humans so fucking rare?
I'm not sure what you mean. When it's humanXfurry that's the number one most common side-fetish involved.
▶ No.43898>>44832
>>43889
Eh, I guess so.
More reason why tapered dicks are the best kind of dicks.
Though, we still have problems of humans trying to fuck the qt large lady.
▶ No.43907>>43914 >>43946 >>44270 >>46561
So how would you all break it to your family you're having romantic relations with an anthro? What would be your answer if their biggest concern is that the two of you would be unable to bear children to continue the 'Family Name'? Nevermind the possibility your family is negatively skewed against certain ethnicities irl.
I guess it'd be the same situation if even if the partner was human you broke it to your grandchildren-obsessed-parents that your partner is afflicted with sterility.
▶ No.43914>>44270
>>43907
Had a bit of a daydream/fantasy type thing around this, actually, involving bringing my mantis gf to my family's dinner.
It would mostly contain awkward pauses between even more awkward questions. As soon as she stepped out of the room, I'd get a few somewhat subtle comments about one's head, and she'd come back to me heatedly defending mantises, claiming they totally don't actually eat the heads of their mates.
I really ought to write these things down some time. Usually it's just me relaxing, tossing around settings and concepts and ideas in my head.
As far as children go, I'd just say "Where there's a will there's a way", and hope for the best. Who knows? Keep at it enough, and maybe you'll get lucky. Otherwise, there's always advance genetic theory, which'd undoubtedly get a bit more interest when you've got a load of humans who desire kids with their mate.
▶ No.43946
>>43907
Probably the same way I would break it to them that I'm gay.
Which is to say: I wouldn't.
▶ No.44187>>44188 >>44234 >>45450
>>43711
Humans sweat as a temperature control system. Even ignoring the fact that dogs DO smell bad, humans perspirate. Perspiration makes the skin increase humidity, and plenty of bacteria love the humidity and the oils on our skin. When those bacteria digest the oils, dead skin cells, etc... They release aromatic compounds that smell aggressively to an untrained nose (which is why you don't notice your own odor, even if you don't shower.)
▶ No.44188>>44192 >>44964
>>44187
People seem to forget about sweat. Take it for granted. It's pretty much our biggest unique trait.
Do you think some animals will find our sweating sexy?
▶ No.44192>>44195
>>44188
Hell yeah. Perspiration is the human equivalent to pheremones. The manlier you are, the manlier you smell.
▶ No.44195>>44204
>>44192
Until it smells like shit.
▶ No.44204>>44220
>>44195
Sent isn't really all that predictable, when it comes down to it, anyway.
Going off how it works for other humans, some'll say it smells good, some'll say it smells like ass.
Might have a harsher variance with animals, though. Usually they have a more sensitive nose.
▶ No.44220>>45536
>>44204
To be honest, this propaganda that the companies which make deodorant and body wash get off to that "humans smell bad" is probably having an impact on our response to human smells. I'm not saying if you shit and don't wipe your arse you shouldn't be told you stink, but humans evolved over millions of years smelling a certain way and it was only in the past hundred years or so that some company decided that we should smell like daffodils and mint tea instead.
It's having an impact on our acceptance of the human body. We're cutting bits off of childrens' genitals and inventing new kinds of surgery so that we won't look natural anymore. No wonder there are so many furries out there; animals are the only species you're allowed to like without requiring some horrifying modification.
▶ No.44234>>44244
>>44187
Sweat is mostly water-based, though. You can rinse it off by just taking a dip in a river, like humans likely did for tens of thousands of years. Soap/shampoo is completely unnecessary, and actually makes things worse by stripping off the protective top layer of skin and killing the beneficial bacteria that keep the stinky ones in check. Same thing with dicks. You know why a lot of uncut men have smegma? Because they use soap to wash under there. It disrupts the natural balance of bacteria, and then a whole bunch of bad ones (that multiply faster) take over and make a mess. Can you imagine if women used actual soap to wash inside their vagina? It's essentially the same thing.
>dogs DO smell bad
That's, like, totally just your opinion, man.
▶ No.44244
>>44234
Dogs definitely stink, mate. Worst part is, when you pet them, it gets stuck on your hands.
Anyway, soap's pretty important in a wide range of situations. While it might not matter for simple sweat, I would argue you should use it when dealing in more modern situations. Namely oil, grease, and the ilk. Oh, and of course, it certainly helps with diseases and general illnesses.
I use a charcoal based bodywash, myself. Mostly because it seems to be the best for getting oil and assorted grease out of my skin, so to speak. Other shit I usually have to scrub for ages with. Plus, to me, it smells way nicer.
▶ No.44270>>46960
>>43914
>Dating a mantis grill
>She bites off your head and eats your headless corpse after sex.
Nice knowing you anon.
>>43907
I have semi decent genes but also shitty ones that I wouldn't want my child to bear as well. If I don't carry on my family linage with another human woman then it's really no tears from me. Not worth getting married in today's society vs what it was worth to men back then.
▶ No.44301>>44304 >>44566
Question of the day. Assuming canine anthros retain most of their feral counterparts sense of smell. Would that mean in modern day, there'd be more of them working as border patrol, airport security and police (and truffle Hunters) in general given they can detect illicit materials just like trained detection dogs?
On the flipside, how much of a racket do you think humans will cause that 'these foreigner anthro dogs are taking our jerbs!' and how can you argue that partnering a human and anthro k-9 officer together is just as efficient as two partnered canine officers?
▶ No.44304>>44360 >>44492 >>44964
>>44301
Would make sense. Though, do keep in mind, it usually takes a lot of training for a dog to get to smell those things, and they aren't usually that accurate anyway. Most the time, dogs are just out there to create an excuse to search.
Still, dogs are probably the better suited to police work, vs most other animals. One of the only guys with the endurance to keep up with humans, after all. And when it comes to crime, endurance is probably the biggest factor.
I imagine people'll react the same way they react to any large influx of foreigners taking jobs up, especially low-skill jobs. Though, are we assuming all animal races come from their own special nations or something?
▶ No.44360>>44378 >>44387
>>44304
>Most the time, dogs are just out there to create an excuse to search.
Funny you should mention that, I read an article on Cracked which said that police dogs are more likely to false-flag black people. The jury is still very much out on whether this is because the police are racist and they're teaching their dogs how to be racist, or if this is because the dogs quickly learn that black people are more likely to actually be carrying drugs. (this is in the United States, of course)
▶ No.44378
>>44360
Or if the officer in question says the dog's flagged someone, when it hasn't actually, to execute a search.
It probably helps that black people in general are twitchy around dogs. Most every single one I've met is terrified of 'em, it seems like.
Granted, my frame of reference is mostly my own dog, of which is rather large, though sweet as an angel.
▶ No.44387
>>44360
Could also possibly be that the sniffer dogs noticed that a lot of people they helped apprehend often have a certain complexion...and inadvertently racial profile in their own way later on. "Hmm, this human doesn't have the smell. But he has the dark look most others have that master awards me for finding. But heel in front of them to make sure."
I hope with the gift of sapience, a k-9 officer would not bungle an arrest in that manner. Although if we were to blend realistic cynicism into the equation, I'd expect bad blood between races stereotypes to have criminal backgrounds and anthro canines.
There's going to be at least a few real crooked and racist canine cops looking to frame others by exploiting the at-the-time infallibility of his drug detecting sense of smell. And from that, dog anthros would ironically be stereotyped as being deliberately antagonistic towards historically enslaved an oppressed minorities despite the unfortunate factual correlation in some urban zones that people caught possessing drugs are leaned towards certain skin colors, and the canine officers that confirms the arrest with their senses gets the flak.
I can just imagine an anthro K-9 officer inadvertedly inspect certain humans to notice are predisposed to drug possession. However the human at that moment was a law abiding citizen, and is rightfully offended when he catches sight of the officer's nostrils flaring.
Blugh, I'm overthinking this.
▶ No.44492>>44495 >>44670
>>44304
>Though, are we assuming all animal races come from their own special nations or something?
That depends which suggestion you find more plausible. Because no matter where you put them on our planet, would have to mean some human cultures and borders will never exist. Unless of course you're fine with erasing Burma or Burkina Faso to fit your dream race in. But it kinda ruins the point if the anthro's purpose at that point is the emulate the culture they replaced.
Otherwise, you'd have to become god in order to expand the mass of the planet to fit a second peninsula or island to offset resource shortages and reposition the planet's orbit so the equator doesn't become to inhospitable.
With that in mind, would you guys accept the possibility that in order to fit an anthro race in the world, it might mean the end of countries like Spain or Japan, or North America being split into five or so borders?
▶ No.44495>>44510
>>44492
My personal inclination would be to drop them in the locations their animal counterpart is from.
You'd get, for instance, southern gator girls.
This'd also have the benefit of easing some of the terrifying beast-race demon shit, as most everyone's got some of the types. Humans're the most common, still, but you've got all sorts of different animal people, enough so that when you end up in the New World your inclination isn't "DEMONS SEND THE ARMY".
Besides, I'd prefer to avoid the one-race-nation type jazz. It just causes a heap of problems, worldbuilding-wise, outside of really early periods.
▶ No.44510>>44531
>>44495
Please tell me you have a source on that adorable image
▶ No.44531
>>44510
Guoh.
Sadly there's not more along that line.
▶ No.44566>>44666
>>44301
>partnering a human and anthro k-9 officer together is just as efficient as two partnered canine officers?
Depends on whether you assume humans have the same advantages over these anthro canines as they do over real dogs. I'd imagine searching through contraband could be hindered by having screwy color vision.
▶ No.44666>>44673
>>44566
So in that case, if that particular trait transfers. Dogs cannot be airline pilots, bomb defusers, and as far as traffic goes, have to rely on determining the placement of the lights illuminating rather than color, and thus will require a human partner to dispatch accurately on the radio the color of fleeing vehicles and suspect's clothing they are pursuing.
▶ No.44670>>44673
>>44492
You're assuming that every civilized population has its own nation-state, and that's just not true. Let's not forget the Native American Indian Reservations, which are only nations in the loosest possible sense of the term; the plight of the Palestinian peoples in Israel, which is a whole can of worms in and of itself; Aboriginal people in Australia; some ethnic groups in Japan; the "uncontacted" civilizations who live on land that are technically owned by existing nations; we see groups like this dotted around the globe.
I think it's possible that some anthropomorphic groups would get their act together and form their own nations, but given that humans are the species with some of the most complex social groups in the world it's very likely that we'll retain most of our national identities in this hypothetical scenario, assuming that we settle in certain locations before the local anthros have formed their own civilizations.
▶ No.44673>>44675
>>44666
It also might depend on the breed. Dogs are highly specialized. There are "sighthounds", sure, but dogs that have a better sense of small have worse vision than humans, I'm fairly sure. Herding dogs, commonly accepted to be the most intelligent, don't really need a good sense of smell. Contrast that with a bloodhound, which can track scents the best but... can't really do anything else. If you get a canine that has the best nose in the business, he might be as blind as a bat and dumb as a post. Might need a human partner just because humans are, by and large, smarter than these anthro canines.
>>44670
When it comes to countries, it's first-come first-serve, and you're shit outta luck if you decided to come later than antiquity with duller spears or smaller guns than the other guys. Human history is literally the story of one ethnic group oppressing and taking over the lands of other: the story of the rise and fall of empires. There has never been a time, ever, when a group of humans was perfectly willing to just let some other group have some land because they "don't want it". While they might not be technically claimed, even Antarctica and the fucking Moon are unable to be settled.
▶ No.44675>>44678 >>44695
>>44673
Right, so the question ultimately is would the anthros have defensible civilizations in time to defend themselves from human invaders? That's largely a question of the setting, although it also depends on the environment they settle in. The exact details are numerous and a little more grandiose than my own personal knowledge of human geography, but given that early humans hunted mammoth and buffalo using nothing but spears and massive balls, I'd say humans have a pretty good chance of becoming the dominant species in most scenarios regardless.
▶ No.44678
>>44675
If what happened to Neanderthals tells us anything, it's that the human ability to outbreed and out-asshole will win the day over every other species. Dominant predator animals don't reproduce fast enough, and the species that do are very docile.
▶ No.44695>>44705 >>44710 >>49112
>>44675
I'm glad somebody finally brought that question up.
That depends on which civilization and which time era that the races meet or war is declared. I can't say for sure about land-dwelling anthros but I have some theories in the event it's an avian anthro vs human conflict. We've generally agreed last thread that avians would need to have less dense muscle and bones mass to conceivably fly, as well as not be encumbered too much. So thus at best they'd use light leathers as armor. Thus they'd make excellent airborne skirmishers and flankers (in a medieval age at least), hit and run tactics with javelins and spears. Have the mobility to stay out of the range of human archers while having the luxury of gravity to pepper them from above.
However. I believe they'd be quite screwed if they'd have to go to war against the Roman Legions, especially if they utilize the Tetsudo/Tortoise formation. I can't think of a conceivable way avians could counter that on their own.
However, it's likely possible they'd make an ally of one of Ancient Rome's enemies (the Gauls for example), on the simple argument of "Yo, they're going to conquer you next when they're done with us. So let's work together."
▶ No.44705>>44710
>>44695
I have to imagine that it wouldn't take long before the people fighting the avians would develop technological countermeasures against such a simple tactic as dropping darts from out of arrow range. Maybe they'd build better bows, maybe they'd use smoke as both cover and airborne poison, maybe they'd use shields as the Romans did, maybe they'd just up and invent airplanes, or at least some kind of unpowered gliders that would be launched from a nearby high point.
"Hey, let's go drop rocks on that army again. Oh fuck, this time they brought flamethrowers. RIP the entire Eagle Brigade."
▶ No.44710>>44920 >>45022 >>49112
>>44695
>>44705
I want to say that the advent of the English longbow or possibly the crossbow would spell the end for flying avian tactics, but on the other hand those aren't exactly designed for surface-to-air combat anyway and they'd have to be damn good shots to hit a flying target at distance. It's more likely that they would have pikes or some other polearm ready for when the avians swoop (they have to run out of shit to drop at some point) but that does leave them sitting ducks until that point, so it's a puzzler.
Grape shot rounds like you used to find in cannon batteries on sailing vessels might prove devastating for a platoon of flying bastards depending on how high you could get them to fire, so there's an option. Possibly a similar method, simply load a typical catapult or trebuchet with smaller bullets. You wouldn't necessarily have to hit them hard; I mean, realistically, how much of a knock does a bird need to take before it falls out of the sky?
Of course depending on the species it might be in their best interests to simply settle somewhere that an invading human civilization would find too much trouble to invade. I'm imagining eagles settling in cities hewn from the rocks of cliff sides. Damn, I hope there's a drawing of that because that sounds majestic as fuck.
▶ No.44832>>44837
>>43898
>Though, we still have problems of humans trying to fuck the qt large lady.
relevant
▶ No.44837>>73403
>>44832
That's why you aim for a lass what's only slightly much larger than you.
Unfortunately, anything much more than three or four times your size is going to be effectively unfuckable.
▶ No.44920>>45016
>>44710
>I'm imagining eagles settling in cities hewn from the rocks of cliff sides
I mean... there's humans who did this. The Pueblo people in the American Southwest come to mind.
▶ No.44960
>>36896 (OP)
Second comic grew on me but I really ask myself why Asriel is even under the blanket in summer harder than I should.
▶ No.44964>>45021
>>44188
Every once in a while I google about whether any other species truly sweats like we do, and the only clear answer seems to be horses.
>>44304
>One of the only guys with the endurance to keep up with humans, after all.
Wolves and dogs have enough stamina to run along humans for a while, but jobs that required non-cardio physical exhertion, like hauling, or in hot environments like steelworks, would still be no-nos.
▶ No.45016
>>44920
Indeed, and I've seen some impressive Buddhist temples out east as well.
▶ No.45021
>>44964
Eh, true, but I was thinking in the context of police work. I mean, heat and hauling shouldn't be too much issue there, after all.
▶ No.45022
>>44710
Keep in mind as well, avians are going to have to be quite light. They're unlikely to be able to maintain a good flight with a heapload of ammo to drop on people. Until the invention of gunpowder, whatever they drop isn't really going to have all that much destructive potential, and at that point anyway, it's a bit of a mute point, since guns can deal with flying enemies far easier than can bows.
▶ No.45371>>45455 >>54002
Question of the day. Which human civilization anywhere around the world circa 1400 A.D would have gotten along the best/worst with a physically alien looking people like anthro's upon first contact and beyond?
▶ No.45450
>>44187
Well having a mate that looks oiled up doesn't look bad.
▶ No.45455>>45533
>>45371
I've said this before, but I'll say it again: Our relationship with any anthropomorphic species will depend largely upon their utility to us as labor, whether as slaves or as employees.
The mid-second millennium AD was a tumultuous time, and it was believed until very recently that war was a necessary part of human life, a tool to be used to get resources and settle disputes. Ironically that's why we have so many border conflicts and civil wars happening today: Old and bad blood.
My conclusion is that no human civilization would be any friendlier to any anthropomorphic civilization than they already were in recorded history.
Obviously the actual fact is much rosier than that; humans have always understood, fundamentally, that trade is more beneficial than war. It just so happens that trade conflicts used to happen a lot more than they do now. That's why anthros might prove useful to us; we're better as all-around survivors, but there are many species who are better than us at straight lifting, hard labor, and getting places that we need them to be faster than we can. Humans would probably be reasonably friendly toward anthros as long as they were to us as well. Unfortunately, however, tribalism carries with it the constant undertone of "we won't destroy you as long as you give us what we want." That's life, I guess.
▶ No.45533>>46679
>>45455
>Our relationship with any anthropomorphic species will depend largely upon their utility to us as labor, whether as slaves or as employees
This raises an interesting point (perhaps a prompt for a written work). Humans, especially since Industrialization, have largely eliminated the need for animal labor through use of machines. Tractors instead of bulls, automobiles instead of horses, radio instead of carrier-pigeon. Even on a purely human front, you can look at how the invention of a variety of automatic harvesting equipment has affected the number of migrant farm workers in America, in recent decades. You don't need a hundred Mexicans picking nuts off of your trees when you've got a single machine that shakes 'em off.
So it would make sense that humans might develop a dependency on a species of anthros for a particular purpose. Say they use avians for a variety of "flying jobs"; the exact purpose is unimportant. But if suddenly one day someone invents the airplane, these avians have now become supplanted by the technology. The humans don't need them anymore. Once you don't need something, it becomes very easy to think about simply getting rid of them. That might be the beginning of war.
▶ No.45536>>45537
>>44220
Deodorant is toxic as shit.
I just put a little cologne on my clothes if it's a hot day and I don't have time to shower multiple times that day.
Guess the disadvantage is the 80 bucks a bottle that shit costs.
▶ No.45537
>>45536
Oh yeah, I should add. Cologne is supposed to blend with your sweat to make you smell good. It's not supposed to 'mask it'.
That's impossible. Instead, realize, there is no spoon.
▶ No.45542>>45600 >>45647
>>40007
Or by being able to field much bigger guns, more ammo, etc. assuming they're stronger.
There's something to be said for having an entire platoon armed with scoped, suppressed, match-grade M240Ls, plus barrel changes, ammo cans, 4 M72 LAWs, ON FOOT (meaning, quiet).
▶ No.45600>>45626
>>45542
That assumes they'll have the stamina to keep up their shit.
Keep in mind that most platoons aren't seeing much of anything, they're just maneuvering and positioning. Most warfare is a case of "hurry up and wait". Get fast to a place, do nothing, get to another place, do more of nothing. It's just that every now and again something happens, typically for a very short time before it is back to more nothing.
▶ No.45626>>45655
>>45600
You're right. Who needs 4 M72s or barrel changes?
2 M72s would be plenty.
▶ No.45647
>>45542
I have a hard time believing there was ever a time in which wars were won depending which foot soldiers carried the bigger weapons. Most of the time it comes down to tactics (combined arms) or just sheer manpower. The amount of ammo you can carry is irrelevant; that's just a matter of supply lines and logistics.
▶ No.45655
>>45626
More like if I have to choose between 4 m72s and being able to keep on going for days, I'm going to pick the 2nd. It'll help you out more, you ask me.
▶ No.45961
>>36896 (OP)
I think that we all agree that racial wars are inevitable but I do think that limited resources would always lead to wars.
I just want some beastfolk romance and sex.
▶ No.46561
>>43907
my parents are cool so I doubt they'd care
▶ No.46679
>>45533
I can only imagine that the scenario would be more difficult to deal with if anthros were enslaved and stayed that way up to industrialization, assuming abolitionism hadn't kicked in sooner due to the larger disparity between anthro and human looks. Now with giant machines to do all the work, you don't need to worry about taking care of your slave workforce of horse/bull/tiger/etc. anthros. Would slave owners just let go of them by that point, or what?
If they were just employees at the time, in contrast, it may just be likely that they go through similar motions as people did with the takeover of technology in physical labor and automation.
▶ No.46960>>47450
>>44270
They don't bite heads off, ya idiot, and quit feeding cow milk to your cat. It's popular science.
▶ No.47359>>47362 >>47363 >>47431 >>47771
I've been thinking, how would a demand for animal fur and animal fur products affect anthros? The most obvious example of such interactions would involve sheep due to their wool, but what about other stuff like tiger/leopard skin purses?
Any approach to this question would be interesting, whether anthros exist alongside their animal counterparts or not, or if we are looking at it from a present or past perspective, to give some examples.
▶ No.47362>>47363 >>47771
>>47359
Assuming that feral animals don't exist then the only way I could see people getting fur pelts is by going to war for them.
Same with meat in this world really unless you want to go the slavery route.
As for other goods chickens can lay eggs and cows/goats give milk.
▶ No.47363>>47365
>>47362
>>47359
I can imagine a world where the anthros are convinced that their god wants them to remove a small piece of skin from their body, and rich people having purses and wallets made out of them.
Or would that be a little too heavy-handed?
▶ No.47365>>47538
>>47363
I honestly cannot see how such a thing would even be survivable without modern day technology.
▶ No.47431
>>47359
I'd hope the anthro races see their evolutionary counterparts the same way we see monkeys.
But, then, maybe monkey skin rugs would be a touch controversial to some humans. Hard to say. Never run in to anyone who'd want to buy one.
This is assuming, of course, that they exist alongside the anthros.
After all, otherwise, you're going to have some major ecological damage. We kind of need all these animals, after all.
▶ No.47450>>47458
>>46960
>I wonder who could be behind this post
▶ No.47453
>>38447
Honey is bee barf.
To my knowledge, there is no rule 34 taking advantage of this fact on the entirety of the known internet.
▶ No.47458>>47460
>>47450
I just know lots of facts about aminals. Okay? I want to fuck that mantid.
▶ No.47460>>47488
>>47458
Who doesn't? Mantis girls are qt.
▶ No.47488>>47489
>>47460
Do you ever think about looking one in the eyes while holding her hands?
▶ No.47489>>47572
>>47488
Those hands are rather pointy. May need gloves.
▶ No.47572>>47634 >>47649
>>47489
It's not like civilised men walk about with unkempt fingernails. No doubt that a culture of filing would become apart of their species, as their societies progress from unarmed combat, and especially if they wish to cooperate with gel-shells. Their carapaces must be so smooth, yet firm.
▶ No.47634>>47659
>>47572
>you will never rest on the cool carapace of your lover's abdomen
Why do you gotta do this to me, anon?
This is the story what got me interested in insect girls on the whole. Until I read this, it was pretty much just dragons, with only a sort of 'willingness' towards everything else. Just an empty sort of if-it's-the-right girl type of thing, rather than a genuine lusting for qt mantis girls.
It's not all that good to be quite honest, but it's about the only story what really scratches that itch. The characters, as well, feel "human" as it were. Flawed, but understandably so. Plus, honestly, that end was damn well perfect.
▶ No.47649
>>47572
Reminds me of some anon way back that had a porcupine fursona or something, and everyone was all "you couldn't even cuddle with anything", and I'm all
>TFW you will never have a qt boyfriend that you love so much you spend hours tediously filing down every single one of his quills
▶ No.47659>>47687
>>47634
>you will never give her a kiss after a hard day's worth of four-armed housework to remind her of your companionship
>you will never see her blighted spirit enlighten with happiness from a simple pursing of your lips to her cold exterior
▶ No.47687>>47730 >>47960
>>47659
Kissing seems like one of those things what'd be amusingly lost on creatures without lips. Birds and bugs alike'd probably find the human fascination with such rather strange.
Attempts by them to replicate the lot'd likely be a touch painful. Don't really want someone's mandibles pinching my cheek, personally.
I wonder how a lizard'd fare. Guess it kind of depends on the variant, but they don't really have much in the way of lips either.
▶ No.47730>>47759
>>47687
>amusingly lost on creatures without lips
Which is literally everything except primates and maybe bears. For example, canines couldn't kiss because their muzzles would get in the way; they'd have to kind of do an open-mouth thing with tongue, which is arguably a lot better anyway.
▶ No.47759>>47847 >>64933
>>47730
Eh, they at least have some kind of effect. Can suck things, as it were.
▶ No.47771
I like the direction this thread took. Lots of world-building that I think would make great stories.
I always liked the idea of a future setting where some kind of foreign artifact falls to earth and begins rapidly evolving the wildlife into anthros, which begins conflict between the humans and animals, resulting in a mass segregation of humans living in walled cities and the animals living in slums on the outskirts like the movie District 9.
>>47359
>>47362
I like to imagine a shady underworld where things like fur and animal products play a key part. Subjects are either traded away like slaves by other anthros, or abducted by human gangs where they're harvested for fur and meat, which gets sold on the black market. Who wouldn't love a fur coat made from a single large pelt?
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▶ No.47847
>>47759
Dogs can't suck. Why do you think they drink water by lapping it?
▶ No.47849>>53468
>>47776
>furries can only have fur
As much as I'd love to be outside the furry spectrum, no.
That's not how it works.
Besides, bugs can be furry.
▶ No.47960>>47966
>>47687
>implying you wouldn't want her mandibles tickling your cheek
It's not like they'd be unable to understand. At that rate, they wouldn't even be able to communicate.
▶ No.47966>>47969
>>47960
True, they'd need some pretty advance vocal cords in order to convey most human sounds required for speech.
Alternatively, we might have to learn their clicking language.
But, anyway, assuming they lack lips, I'd wager it more likely they're going to grab other things to be their 'kisses', so to speak.
Essentially, a culture what considers hugs more lewd, or perhaps views forehead touches as incredibly intimate.
▶ No.47969>>47973
>>47966
Sharks have G-spots on their snouts. I'm just full of these facts, man.
▶ No.47973>>47976
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>>47969
Sharks are way more adorable than people give them credit for.
▶ No.47976>>47985
>>47973
Makes you wonder how one could interact with a proper anthropomorphic shark. One based off of actual biological cues, and factoids.
▶ No.47985>>47995
>>47976
Proper versions is pretty much what this thread's for.
Everyone'll probably assume they're big and scary, despite being pretty soft and curious. Sharks've kind of got a bad rep. Side effect of being a sharp-toothed killing machine, I suppose.
▶ No.47995>>47999
>>47985
I blame the jews. Accursed hollywood flicks driving man against nature. I can only hope such ignorance is cindered from the future of humanity. Beautiful creatures do not deserve to be hunted through that baseless propaganda.
▶ No.47999>>48095
>>47995
>I wonder who could be behind this post
I swear I used to have an image for this, specifically. Feels like someone keeps going behind me, and deleting shit.
▶ No.48095
>>47999
I really want to feed her red meat, while rubbing her nose.
▶ No.48426>>48466
I want to commit crimes with my wife.
▶ No.48466
>>48426
>you will never accidentally join the crow mafia
>they will never welcome you with open wings into the family
▶ No.48526>>48548 >>48598 >>49125 >>49601
I think this question has been asked before. But how did first contact in your fantasy play out?
Regardless if it was the Romans, The British Empire, Imperial China, or hell the Polynesians circa 1000 B.C. Were your anthros just a loose collection of tribes (and if so, how did they not suffer the fate of Native Americans and Africa...or were they)? Or had they managed to build their own little Age of Antiquity before meeting humans?
As weird as it sounds, I kinda want to know if the gators in >>36991 were clothless savages still hunting in swamps or somehow had the mind to make comparatives tools and architectures to the humans they meet.
▶ No.48548>>48558
>>48526
>had they managed to build their own little Age of Antiquity before meeting humans?
Humans by nature are selfish and would generally btfo on anything we come across. We are very frail framed and very exceptional catching anything compared to other organisms. However, some how we contain enough intelligence to stay alive. Imagine the greatest and longest standing institutions came into contact with X at anytime within the last thousand years of humanity. It would be one shit show though.
>As weird as it sounds, I kinda want to know if the gators in >>36991 were clothless savages still hunting in swamps or somehow had the mind to make comparatives tools and architectures to the humans they meet.
DA ORKS?
▶ No.48558
>>48548
>da orks
>gators
Someone's never run in to them before.
Awfully quiet little creatures for the most part. Up until they're snacking on something, anyway. When that happens, they make a huge splash of things, rolling around and all that. Though, that I've seen, they're less flashy than crocodiles in that regard, but that might just be what I've come across.
Otherwise, though, they're fairly slow-paced. Curious at times, with a nasty habbit of climbing into people's pools for some reason.
Fairly patient, I'd say, though that might just be for humans in a lot of ways. Pretty damn fearless that I've seen, probably a side effect of pretty much being the top of the food chain in their respective habitat.
They're somewhat territorial, but not half as much as most things you come across. They'll hiss now and again at you, but most the time it comes across as a mild annoyance to anything big.
All this said, of course, I've seen some people have issue with them. Never have myself, though. But then, I'm a ways up river, and the bigger ones don't like it here.
Some other minor detail, doubt it's really accurate, but they seem like they're always happy. Might just be the way their jaw is set up, but it always looks like they're having a good time of it.
▶ No.48598
>>48526
>But how did first contact in your fantasy play out?
An event similar to The Big O renders the world with amnesia. While there were some minor conflicts, most people were prioritizing piecing things together and figuring out how to work the existing infrastructure. There is no hints to what species owns the city and a lot of data is destroyed.
>As weird as it sounds, I kinda want to know if the gators in >>36991 were clothless savages still hunting in swamps or somehow had the mind to make comparatives tools and architectures to the humans they meet.
Tribal nudes is my fetish.
https://e-hentai.org/g/955308/4ea70eb65f/
▶ No.48945>>49151
I feel like posting this.
▶ No.49110
>>37001
In ancient civilizations around Mesopotamia they often thought of the peoples out in the wilderness, far from the petty kingdoms that surrounded wealthy civilized areas, as half-men half-beast creatures. If furries and humans ever existed I would imagine furries would be feared monsters with strange customs and beliefs, occasionally penetrating into human civilizations to wage war and destruction to return back into the wilderness with loot and treasure.
Maybe as time went on human and beasts would have more contact but never quite integrating, maybe you'd have a furry being a king over humans or vice versa on the peripheral of human civilization. But I imagine the relationship between the two would often be of mutual distrust, with the humans viewing the beasts are strange monsters who know only war and the beasts seeing humans as weak creatures softened by civilization and luxury. But I don't think that beast peoples would ever overcome the humans because of the varieties of furries, never being able to unite outside their own clans and species for more than short lived empires, that at the time might threaten human civilization, but would collapse in a generation.
I think probably the most suitable match with human civilization would be the physically weaker beasts, who may adopt a settled life like humans did. I don't think any humans would worship furries widely, maybe there would be a few cults dotted here and there. Animals in religion tend to not worship the animal but what it represents and that's the subject of worship normally but surely furries would be seen as demons or monsters that would be feared and reviled.
▶ No.49112>>49113
>>44695
You don't need to destroy an army on the battlefield to destroy the army. Sure, perhaps an army could form into a square protected by shields and on the battlefield that would be difficult to defeat. But you look at ancient war one dimensionally without considering more important aspects.
First of all, how would a human army actually attack an avian army? As soon as the humans close the distance the avians can disperse into the air. At best the humans could employ missiles to try and attack them like >>44710 suggested, but that would only work if an avian got into range. At best this could only be used to keep an avian army at a distance but not to attack or destroy them. With this in mind there would never be a set-piece battle where a Roman army could deploy their men into a testudo formation because an avian army would never meet it in the field, because to even have a battle before modern war both armies basically have to agree to a place to fight, if one army doesn't want to fight, they don't. A human army also couldn't force a set-piece battle, either, because of course avians could just fly away from any army.
Meanwhile, the avians could move freely throughout the battlefield without considering the terrain, attacking from the rear or flanks, or go to the camp of the human army. Then you need to consider a human army on campaign and not deployed in a camp or in formation, they need to split up to forage for food or to reconnoiter, where avians could pick off small groups of humans, causing a slow attrition of a human army. It would force humans to move slowly, together, to build fortified camps each night, and to never go off in small groups. It would be tiring, slow, and frustrating with hunger and thirst thrown in for good measure.
If there was a war between avians and humans I think there would be almost no real battles but capturing and holding of strategic strong points. But if avians had a society in which they had no fixed location then there would be nothing that the humans could attack, so a war would basically have a human army wandering in the wilderness bleeding men until they returned back to their defended cities. If avians did have a settled civilization most battles would most likely be to capture towns, and an avian town I imagine would be very difficult to take, because the inhabitants could just leave and return whenever they feel to collect food and water or attack the enemy. Not to mention the city probably is designed with the ability to fly in mind. I think a human army maybe could overcome these challenges but at the cost of a lot of treasure and blood, with most of the avian's treasure and birds having absconded by the time the humans enter the city. If an avian army attacked a human city it would be a nightmare, walls would be meaningless. Each building would need to be turned into it's own fortress and being resupplied would be difficult to impossible, and there could be no way for humans to send a sortie to attack any avians, because of course, they can just fly away.
Basically birds would be fucking hard to fight and totally not worth it if not impossible.
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>>49112
>if avians had a society in which they had no fixed location then there would be nothing that the humans could attack
If this were the case, they wouldn't be interested in going to war, as all wars are largely disputes over territory or local resources.
Everything else is largely a consideration of how much additional weight these fictional avians can carry. As has been discussed, if they can't carry more than a few pounds and still be able to fly, they'd be useless for any sort of aerial offense. They also couldn't retreat in the air while carrying their things.
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>>48526
I'm working on a setting in which a species of tribal anthros exist as a scattering of small groups. Humans have settled in the area but their current home is too dangerous for humans to settle in, so the few interactions take the form of simple hit-and-run bandit raids. However, as humans become more industrious, they're gradually able to expand out into the anthros' territory, and they start to be seen as a threat largely due to their home-field advantage. They're largely doomed but some of the tribes have developed more refined societies and have a slim chance of peaceful negotiation.
So yeah, TL;DR settle somewhere you can live that the humans can't, but if they ever learn you're a Louisiana purchase away from decimation.
▶ No.49127>>49128 >>49158
>>49113
>If this were the case, they wouldn't be interested in going to war, as all wars are largely disputes over territory or local resources.
Historical precedence would say that you're wrong. There is many times in history in which a civilized nation went to war with nomadic people. In fact Cyrus the Great was killed in a battle at Massagetae by nomadic people. There was a lot of reasons to actually go to war against nomadic people, for one you could enforce vassalage over nomadic tribes and receive trained warriors, gold, or just the assurance that they won't raid into the domain of your kingdom. It is true that later into history that wars with nomadic peoples were avoided but not because there was nothing to be gained through war, but that it was nearly impossible to assert any kind of lasting control over nomadic people. It became a game of diplomacy and intrigue among the nomadic tribes.
Eagles only way about 10-14 pounds and can carry up to about 4-5 pounds. Are you to tell me that a bird about the size of a human with the weight to life ratio that is about equal with an Eagle would be able to lift only a few pounds? That's a little ridiculous. If we consider that an Eagle can lift about 25%-40% their body weight in flight, that would be a significant amount of weight. Any bird that would be roughly the size of a human could easily carry a bow and a quiver of arrows.
If you still say that a fictional avian race would be unable to lift more than their own body weight, they would be in every way inferior to a human soldier, with a less dense muscle mass and more damaged by blunt force, any melee between a human and an avian creature would result in destruction of the avian, no contest. That's not very interesting to think about.
▶ No.49128>>49129 >>49145 >>49247
>>49127
>Are you to tell me that a bird about the size of a human with the weight to life ratio that is about equal with an Eagle would be able to lift only a few pounds?
Square-cube law, dude; for birds this means that for every doubling of size, you increase the wing area by 4x but increase the volume/weight by 8x. If we're talking a bird "the size of a human", it would need like a 30-foot wingspan just to lift itself.
▶ No.49129>>49166 >>49247
>>49128
So they have about forty to fifty to lift a little more than themselves, sounds good.
▶ No.49145
>>49128
Part of why human-sized avians in general are dumb. Just have them be smaller qts, no need to be a carbon copy of humans.
Also, on this lot, wing arms > backwings.
▶ No.49151
>>48945
Takes the whole "Gays like cock" thing to a new level.
▶ No.49158
>>49127
the reality is swans (I think are swans) already are too heavy and need a lot of time to fly, there is a limit in muscular force, that is why large creatures like dragons would never fly (sorry but sometimes science ruin our fantasies)
▶ No.49166>>49247 >>49251
>>49129
I just did a quick and dirty thought experiment. An albatross is about three tall, twenty pounds, and has a wingspan of about ten feet. So if you double the size to six feet for a human, you increase wing size to twenty feet and weight to 180 pounds; seems sensible enough. However, the wings are now half the size they need to be, so double them again to FORTY feet.
So, if you imagine a human with wings roughly the size of a school-bus roof stuck to their back...
▶ No.49247
>>49128
>>49129
>>49166
How about the opposite direction when it comes to this problem? How big would a bird anthro be with a wingspan that's around 5 to 6 feet? From what I've read, armspan is roughly equivalent to height, so go for one consisency with humans. That and winghugs are adorable.
While I'm at it, I'm just going to post bird anthro + human pics.
▶ No.49251>>49255 >>49261
>>49166
At that point, you might as well just give up and say that anthro birds just can't fly and have vestigial wing arms.
▶ No.49255>>49261
>>49251
That's boring, though.
Ideally, you just don't have a large birb, skip out on needless weight-boosters like tits, and just give them decently large wings.
Image somewhat related, though I'd prefer more egg-laying hips involved, less cartoonish looks.
▶ No.49261>>49264
>>49255
>>49251
What of we allowed them to be able to glide, or just do short-hop flights like chickens do? I know they're not the most majestic of creatures, but they can get a pretty good height with a non-ridiculous wingspan.
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>>49261
Would possibly work. Chickens can go quite far. Gliding is a bit finicky, but I certainly don't see a reason they couldn't be able to do at least that.
▶ No.49407
>>36919
>>36972
Her pawns had taken over the DNC, that's the only reason she got the ticket rather than far more popular Sanders.
Sage for off-topic.
▶ No.49471>>49472 >>49613
I'm just here for the porn and the cute couples
▶ No.49472>>49599
>>49471
Ayy, I remember seeing that jazz on /tg/. Rat girls a qt.
▶ No.49473>>49474 >>49488 >>49527 >>49596 >>54004 >>64938
Why is it in most furry universes its humans being the ones in power or the super ultra mega evil bad guys, and the poor furries dinn du nuffin. Has there been one where humans were the underdog/shat on by the furries? I mean the anthros could be physical stronger or have other traits intimidation to those a humanoid form would allow. Tool making, dexterity, thumbs, etc.
▶ No.49474>>49527
>>49473
Humans in general being the underdog is rare. Only exceptions are sci-fis.
Too bad, really. I love underdogs.
It doesn't help that there's really not that many anthro races in most things to begin with. Certainly not that many that are anything outside the role 'hostile mindless monster'.
▶ No.49488
>>49473
Well, in the Tolkien-verse, humans are pretty much the underdogs for tens of thousands of years, until the destruction of the Rings of Power brought an end to the age of Elves. Only kinda qualifies because Elves are basically immortal pretty Men with nature magic.
▶ No.49527>>49633
>>49473
>>49474
Likely not what you were thinking of, but in nearly anything that is also based on the subfetish of macro or micro, usually humans are almost always abused/the underdogs in such settings.
▶ No.49596>>49601 >>49613 >>49633 >>49980
>>49473
The Stone Ages might really suck for humans even if the anthro's on the same planet had their anatomy based on plausible lines of evolution rather than animal-heads-on-radian-mangod-physiques this fandom idealizes anthros to be.
An anthro wolf, lion, or gator, in order to keep the physical traits that makes YOU attracted to them, would have a lot of natural advantages combined with the gift of sapient clarity could legitimately trump humanity's endurance. And with sapient clarity, comes the glorious gift to be as much assholes as humans demonstrated. Look at worldwide census's and see how many even minor ethnicities propagated compared to four thousand years ago.
Now you all argue, "When all is said and done, humans can outbreed and outnumber them." Okay, in that one world, I'll agree. But what in another scenario, on the way to evolve to a bipedal form, their fertility rate caught up to humans? God forbid we live in a world with anthro rabbits where they no longer need to rely upon their four-legged ancestors Fight/Flight tendencies.
HOWEVER, the one saving grace that may place humanity as the dominant (and optionally mega ebil) race above all others by the 21st century is because pred anthros, they already have the natural attributes they need to kill without weapons and not see the necessity to invent and innovate. Meanwhile, an isolated region of humans would be more inclined given the conditions weighed against them.
An anthro wolf with just his claws and paws will fall at a disadvantage upon quarraling with a human in studded armor and a sword. Things will turn even worse for the anthros if there was evidence they had wiped out or enslaved the local humans. The superior human nation will be dead set to, if not wipe out the anthros themselves, break the anthro populace decisively before they could replicate humanity's tools.
▶ No.49599>>49631
>>49472
>tall /fit/ furry gf
I like that very much. Who did?
▶ No.49601>>49613 >>54006
>>49596
cont'd, and in relation to >>48526
The world I constructed in my head goes that several different anthro communities were spread across the world (gators in florida, avians here and there, snakes in Burma...Shiba Inu's and canines in a [second] Japan, etc). However, over the years since the inception of fire-making all the anthros gradually met with their regions indigenous humans (sometimes two different anthro species meeting and being many more years later before meeting humans). A few went well, such as avians and a human neighbor combining to fight off an aggressive human nation that that wanted to conquer both.
But...in other places, after a tribal spat over resources or trivial things, the anthros won the conflict and subjugated them. Especially in the case of my swamp gator tribes, had no qualms eating humans. "Just because they can talk, they're not gators like us, so it's not cannibalism or immoral."
One unmolested human region rose to become the cradle of industry, and began their own brand of expansionist British Imperialism. And the technologically lagged anthros will have to either capitulate or be conquered. The industrious humans (Let's call them Europa's) judge the fate of the non-humans they encounter based on how they had treated the local humans.
And...damn, some avians, lions, preds and especially gators were harshly punished for the way they had victimized the local humans. To the point Europa was not as harsh towards Negros because the anthros that conquered humans previously were better targets to discriminate and after witnessing accounts of non-humans victimizing humans had Europa group all humans together as 'us' vs 'them'.
In modern times, humans are the most populous races on the planet. Benevolent tyrants to some anthros, outright oppressors to others. Slave practices carries on to the equivalent of this year, maintained just to punish the anthros that wronged human despite the impractical costs of it in the modern era. The anthros that had historically dominated humans placed under strict population controls, incorrectly demonized by human medias, "Not only were these gators savages, they once ate humans too!"
The only silver is that the races that historically cooperated with humans are regarded as okay to date. But I made it a point that they're all the races I dislike.
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>>49596
>HOWEVER, the one saving grace that may place humanity as the dominant (and optionally mega ebil) race above all others by the 21st century is because pred anthros, they already have the natural attributes they need to kill without weapons and not see the necessity to invent and innovate. Meanwhile, an isolated region of humans would be more inclined given the conditions weighed against them.
I was thinking about how heavy armor classes would be mostly Human exclusive because most armor and weapons are made for humans in mind and heat weight exhaustion problem.
>>49601
>The only silver is that the races that historically cooperated with humans are regarded as okay to date. But I made it a point that they're all the races I dislike.
What you mean by that?
>>49471
For me, it is only cute if they can reproduce.
▶ No.49631>>49652 >>49757
>>49599
>not recognizing guoh
http://guoh-art.tumblr.com/
He hasn't really posted much in a long while, though. No idea why.
▶ No.49633
>>49527
Eh, problem there is that they're straight up abused without ever having so much as a hope of resistance that's anything more than a sick joke.
>>49596
>HOWEVER, the one saving grace that may place humanity as the dominant (and optionally mega ebil) race above all others by the 21st century is because pred anthros, they already have the natural attributes they need to kill without weapons and not see the necessity to invent and innovate.
This is more or less what tends to put humans separate for me, when it comes to anthro races. 'Least, proper ones, not just the shitty human-clone with a new head lot.
Simple fact is, humans are not particularly strong, fast, tough, or dangerous. We had to make up for these weaknesses. A gator gal might not worry about bringing a gun with her as she heads down town, as her scales are tough, and she's got a hell of a bite besides. But a human knows their weaknesses, they know how fragile they are.
This might play out differently with other, also weak, races like a rabbit or some herd animals, but ultimately, I think we're the only ones what genuinely needed to advance in order to survive. Unlike the rabbit, we weren't fast enough to simply run away, and we couldn't breed to the rate of not worrying about losses.
Hard to say how exactly all this'd translate to a sapient lot, but I'd still be willing to wager humanity'd be the primary inventor most the time.
Maybe crows'd help, but that's mostly due to curiosity.
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▶ No.49652
>>49631
I should have recognized.
▶ No.49671>>49679 >>49757
>>49613
>What you mean by that?
Blegh, meant to type silver lining. But also, I like animals like wolves and predatory felines compared to timid races like rabbits, deer and mice. But I do not see the former races being cooperative with humans in early time periods unless the humans were in a great position of strength.
I mean, I wouldn't put it past tribal anthro rabbits to invent tools such as spears and knives to raise their chances of survival, but inferring from their ancestor's anatomy and behavior being optimized to flee, they'd take cautionary steps rather than initiating aggression (and then it's up to their human tribe neighbors to reciprocate and see the value in trading rather than genocidal superstitions).
Predatory anthros, I foresee that they'd regard humans as challengers and be inclined to drive them out of their territories at the very least. Possessing functional claws, teeth, and etc would give anthros like lions and gators a sense of empowerment. Concepts like domesticating farm animals and foraging may be secondary supplements at best because if especially their feral counterparts still exists they'll be encouraged to emulate being hunters, and behaviors that do not involve being better hunters/killers (agriculture, architecture) a trait to be ostracized and against their nature.
There are exceptions, Canadian wolves and Black Bears being timid compared to a Grizzly Bear (but that's because Grizzly Bears cannot climb trees as a safety mechanism so it's only real means of survival is to attack anything unknown)
I based all the first encounters in my fantasy based on how even during 5000 B.C. all the way to Colonialism, throughout the world there have been humans encountering other human communities they previously where never aware of existed (and also to theorize if humans proto-Egypt, China, Americas, etc would still survive in some form if I were to put rabbit anthros here, tiger anthros there, gator anthros over there, so on).
For instance, if the gator tribes only used spears and bone daggers, you probably feel safe carrying a pistol with you when you've been assigned to have them confederate with humans and joint he civilized. But how receptive do you think the gators will be if both your tribes are in the stone ages, and you both require to hunt the same game in your region?
(And yeah, yeah, I know the pic is from Warhammer, but it's only realistic representation of an upright gator I can find on short notice)
▶ No.49679>>49757
>>49671
Thing about alligators is, while they're not going to worry about eating you much, they also seem to rarely care, in my experience, if you're in their area.
They kind of know, it seems like, that they're tough as nails without much of anything that poses a risk to them. Part of why there's so fucking many in the swamps, and why they're always trying to drum up a hunting season for them, to the point where in some cases they even'll throw in a reward on occasion.
They're pretty much only like to give you trouble around eggs, I think. Otherwise they're relaxed, most the time.
Don't know how this'd translate to anthro lots, especially if we're hunting the same game, though.
Most likely, gator people'd not have any particular qualms about snacking on humans where they can, but I doubt they'd seek them out in any meaningful way. Just kind of their usual snap at whatever food's convenient.
'Course, then, I can't really see gators building much a society, either. They've already got a fairly comfortable lot in life. I don't think they're ever particularly hungry, and due to their scales, not much is a threat beyond other gators. Pretty common to get some seriously old gators, around here, which can be a problem as they tend to keep growing.
Biggest problem with gator/human relations is that I'd wager gators are unlikely to be particularly unified. They're not exactly totally solo creatures, but they sort of do their own thing, seems to me. You're not going to make much an effect, I'd say, negotiating with some gator chieftain, as it's unlikely any deals're actually going to be kept due to the independent nature of the lot.
▶ No.49715>>49733 >>49742 >>49749 >>49757 >>49849
>be me, tribal anthro dude with claws and shiet
>out hunting for food
>barely catch this strange wiff out of nowhere
>looking around frantically, finally spot a figure in the bushes
>I can hardly believe my eyes
>a nearly fur-less freaky looking creature steps forth, holding a stick with sharpened rock somehow jutting out of it
>it is wearing mud, and the skin of my people
>I try to stand my ground but it slowly walks up while roaring violently at me
>wtf.png
>I feel disturbed and threatened, so i try to attack it
>couldn't even get in reach of it before it cut my flesh open with its rock-stick
>I lose my shit and try to run for it
>I seem to be faster than it even while injured
>catch my breath finally, but...
>It shows up again and again
>continue running for literally hours
>fall over from exhaustion
>mfw
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>>49715
This is a quality post.
▶ No.49742
>>49715
>not fighting for your life
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>>49715
>not fighting for your life
▶ No.49757>>49772 >>49780 >>50031
>>49631
>He hasn't really posted much in a long while, though. No idea why.
He is mostly posting on Twitter now. For some reason, a lot of artists are moving to Twitter.
https://twitter.com/guohoho/media
I have no idea what meant by image 2.
>>49671
You making the humans sound like Dwarf-Elves. For example, the heat, skill, and labor of smithing weapons is usually too much for most anthros so there anthro heroes (the Greek myth sense) wielding human made weapons.
>>49679
The Flintstones comic had the Great Gazoo make a monologue on how he thinks that humans were never meant to be in the top of the food chain. Saying that large predators are usually lazy and will stop eating when they are content. Humans on the other hand are designed to overeat and to horde in order to compensate for the fact that they don't know when their next meal will be.
>>49715
Give him the K.
▶ No.49772>>49805
>>49757
>Humans on the other hand are designed to overeat and to horde in order to compensate for the fact that they don't know when their next meal will be
This is literally every predator, though. Lions and wolves gorge themselves on 50 pounds of meat at a time. Snakes eat an entire animal, whole, and then don't eat anything else for a month. Human beings are actually more "grazers", eating small amounts several times per day.
▶ No.49780>>49805
>>49757
Eh, not really. While I do agree we exist seperate from the typical 'food chain', it's more due to our taking advantage of any situation, to any 'hoarding' or 'overhunting'. Most predators will do that, too, after all. The trick with them is, usually, they can only actually catch a handful of prey.
Humans've gotten good at getting food whenever they wish.
▶ No.49805>>49830
>>49772
>>49780
Sorry here are pages for context.
I'm sure sapience is going to break a lot of natural systems. It is playing on the idea of evolutionary physcology where crave things like sugar and salt without a natural cap.
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>>49805
>new-age Flintstones
Ew.
>>49816
It's a good thing we're all individuals, then, innit?
This is one of them nonsensical takes, anyway. All the bad things get prescribed to the whole, but the good is the actions of the individual.
It's daft.
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>>49715
>red foxes
>attacking humans
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>>49849
I didn't say any specific creature you sperg, the pic was just a convenience
▶ No.49980>>50015
Ugh, this misanthropic shit again?
Anyways...
>>49596
>An anthro wolf, lion, or gator, in order to keep the physical traits that makes YOU attracted to them, would have a lot of natural advantages
Most folks won't like it, but I do think their 'natural advantages' should be removed like bear's assassin claws, or keep them but with downgraded versions. If they're sapient, they will know that a steel blade has better reach and deadlyness than any claw or maul.
▶ No.49981
Less sperging more cute couples and porn
▶ No.50006>>50013 >>50015 >>50023 >>50031 >>50189 >>50396 >>58717
Let's agree to disagree, guys. And instead ponder on this scenario.
>Be the leader of a colony during your world's Age of Discovery (or even before).
>Due to a loophole the Holiness uttered, your kingdom has uncontested claim of the lands X00 leagues due [whichever direction] of your newest settlement. So until he passes from age, you will not fear intervention from Portugal/Spaniards/etc...unless you wanna be team Spain in this scenario.
>However! Your Holiness announced the binding treaty right before your settlement discovered indigenous communities within 'your' lands.
>Animals! Beasts! Shaped to stand on two feet like men! And capable of god's gift of the tongues! This discovery causes existential dilemna's across your continent. God created the world for only man. What is man's role if God placed these beastmen in the same world as your kind? Why would these beastmen be absent from your Holy Book if some of the lines were testimonies from god himself? Were your scriptures just fabrications?
>The most fervent amongst your settlers are the most vocal, "These are demons who have slipped from hell by possessing animals. Soon they'll find ways to possess us! Exterminate them and send them back to hell!"
>Your Liege and Holiness in your time seem extraordinarily lenient and fair. And they entrust you with the task to assess if these beastmen are worth the effort of a crusade or other peaceful alternatives.
>I'll focus on wolf anthros for instance
>Regardless whether the beastmen you meet comprise of either sharped fanged predators, curious avians, or the domesticated and preyed. They have achieved developing minimum feats of architecture, shelters and tools similar recording of the primitive Gauls under the logic that even before encountering humans, the beastmen had hostile divisions amongst themselves and the successful communities triumphed by innovation. It would appear that the theory that spears being universal weapons are true. Regardless, these beastmen are flagged far behind the nations of the Old World. If the people you meet are lupines, despite developing bows, knives, skinning and spears, they foregone inventing sturdy bodily protections due to being very susceptible to heat exhaustion. Curiously though, they have domesticated unique breeds of dogs/cats optimal for tracking and hunting and other livestock which can be exchanged into the Old World.
>These wolfmen brings to mind the lycanthropes Christians fear in many of their stories. And for the fifth time, you had to turn down your clergy's request to exterminate these communities based on the assumption these wolfmen and werewolves were one and the same that instigated the same attacks from the shadows. Granted though, you yourself feel intimated around them even with your flintlock and steel. While averaging man's height, some tribes exceed your people's by several heads. They are very great leapers and can close in fast. And while their bestial assets have diminished, if a human and wolfman were ever to hand-to-hand dispute, the human would fair worse. However, your military advisor notes they exhaust quickly after strenuous exertions, and with the war tools at your disposal they are no more dangerous than a man with a stone in his hand.
I'll do a part 2, maybe. I'm just improvising as I go along.
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>>49980
>Most folks won't like it, but I do think their 'natural advantages' should be removed like bear's assassin claws, or keep them but with downgraded versions. If they're sapient, they will know that a steel blade has better reach and deadlyness than any claw or maul.
I'm pretty much the boring guy that is willing to brush aside things for cute couples and interspecies dicking.
>>50006
Realistically shit tons of race wars are inevitable which isn't cute or sexy. Those first two images make me imagine a self-contained story about a guy being part of wolf pack/tribe (of course they are naked). I think the Endurance thing is overplayed. I prefer that it remains a significant but mostly unobserved advantage. Something that is only a concern for generals rather than foot soldiers.
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BTW: I came across these images.
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>>50006
Neat stuff, anon!
Given that it's the spanish, despite the religious issues evidently, they're likely going to see the money signs and 'recruit' the natives as they did in the Americas.
Mind you, not technically 'enslave'. That'd be against catholic tradition, evidently. Though, you might be able to get more of a stretch for that given they're dogs not humans.
In any case, Spain was one of the fastest to realize that it's better to use the locals to get what you need, than it is to actually send your people, give the natives the boot, and take over.
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>>50006
>>50023
I forgot to make a Dances with Wolves joke. Should wolf people be just as dexterous as humans or just dexterous enough?
>>49757
>https://twitter.com/guohoho/media
He moved his NSFW art into this.
http://chivalrous-innuendo.tumblr.com
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>>50031
Less. Human hands are pretty damn unique. They should be able to grasp things, and manipulate well enough, but I'd say keep them slightly less than humans.
Though, that's more because I like to leave at least some unique traits to humanity. Otherwise, honestly, you end up with shitty fantasy-tier humans are just middle of the road normals.
>have to follow three places for one guy's art.
Fuck you, Guoh.
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>>50006
Is there more of those images aside from these? Vanilla canine x human love is my fetish.
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>>50189
never mind, found it.
▶ No.50198
How would anthros with extremely different social systems such as eusociality interact with humans?
▶ No.50351>>50353
Guys, leave the mentally incompetent alone, and post more humans fucking qt foreign ladies.
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>>50351
What if your qt beastwoman GF has second thoughts on having an interspecies relationship?
▶ No.50356
>>50353
You take her hands or claws, or if she's not got any limbs place your hand under her chin, you look her straight in the eyes, and you tell her that you don't care what she is, you love her.
▶ No.50367>>50368
This thread needed a big cleanup.
Please remember to report derails and shitposts, not reply to them.
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>>50367
Eh, I really wouldn't worry about it too much. This's happened countless times in the thread throughout the past.
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>>50006
>It has become a remarkable experience over the past several months observing how similar and different this wolfen people is from both humans and their feral counterparts.
>You are quite ashamed assuming at first their people would be cave dwelling, raw meat eating savages using bone effigies. And yet when you have earned passage into their village, you see homes of wood and thatch, and fenced livestock. They had bred a type of shorter but stockier elk or caribou to be a fitting substitute for cows. How could they have achieved these feats that man should've only had the ingenuity to achieve. Your wolfen liason keeps uttering a particular phrase in his replies, which you have guessed to relate to common sense.
>Their use of cattle is the same reasons as man, a ready supply of food if hunting game grows scarce, and to maintain a large prosperous tribe such as theirs.
>They warn you though that there exists divisions among their people. Smaller tribes you roughly translate the primal phrases they entitle as traditionalists who feel it is better to emulate the lifestyle of feral wolves and survive on just hunting. They see the activities 'Tanners' you have engaged with as unbecoming of their people. Some of these traditionalists even use only their claws and jaws.
>You learned your first official meeting had nearly gone sour. Had your people ventured beyond the trees they marked, they would have attacked you regardless of the chances.
>It has taken you a while to get used their unclothed presence. But you have noticed they possess bags and stitched accessories made from tanned leather, particularly amongst the most populous tribes.
>The tribe's liaison explains that they'd exhaust *feverishly* quickly under such encumbered coverings. And their layers of fur can protect them plenty from blistering winds and the swats of branches. He then gestures to your gloves and boots, mortified why your would cover your only means to vent excess heat. You learned that day something you should have learned about your own dog sweats.
>The little cubs awe at the metal breastplate you wear, asking how your people could make things that could catch the sun as well as water. You explained as much you knew the concepts of smithing, and was met with befuddlement how they could never thought about subjecting themselves to the grueling conditions of the heat.
>You scribble a dissertation theorizing how despite sharing the same level of thought of intelligence, some doors are closed to these upright wolves...and perhaps even humans because of the way their bodies are designed.
>They have the claws and the fangs so that they can never be truly helpless, but closes them from handling some tools as well as humans. And even the most enlightened of their people religiously feel they must only eat meat and disregard the other bounties of their lands. They are strong leapers, and strike fast. But they must rely upon decisively ending their prey for their inability to vent heat as fast as humans causes them to flag faster in chases. And as trivial as this sounds to add, they have very excellent hearing, which leads to not giving them cause to invent horns.
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>>50396
This is really good. Ever consider writing more than just greentext summaries?
▶ No.50415
Not directly related but here is an image of sheeple dealing with the trade offs of wool.
▶ No.50545
>>38343
True, Europeans enslaved other Europeans for quite a while, even North Africans had white slaves.
▶ No.50553>>50614 >>54010
I've been on a bit of a Disney kick recently, going over the history of the parks and the company itself and seeing this thread makes me wonder just how these anthro species would react to portrayals of beast-like species in popular culture. In the event of a new species finding our planet, would they find these caricatures of their kind to be offensive or adorable? Plus there is also the furry fandom itself, I'm sure it would be extremely awkward for them seeing all of the nonsense surrounding that. This also makes me think of some alternative history in which these species evolved alongside Man, would our popular culture be that much different from what it is today with the advent of anthro actors and directors? It was said that Walt Disney himself based Mickey Mouse off of a mouse that he sort of tamed one day by feeding it cheese, but imagine if instead of a feral mouse he befriended some mouse person and based it off of them. I apologize if I'm rambling, but the possibilities have my mind racing right now.
▶ No.50614>>50943
>>50553
I was thinking something like the story of the Minotaur being a story of infidelity or Caligula's Foolery.
▶ No.50943
>>50614
>tfw no subsequent comic of them immediately being vassalised and subjugated
You can take my milk, but you'll never take my burger!
▶ No.51040>>51082 >>51120
>>51032
>suddenly wearing boots
Unaceptable. You can't have vulpes without fluffy black paws.
▶ No.51082>>51110
>>51035
Absolutely not.
>>51040
ikr
but its not often I see that kind of art so I can't really complain
▶ No.51110>>51113
>>51082
Come on, man! There's not even any texture! She's not even a proper fucking furry, if there's no fur. It just looks like skin!
▶ No.51113>>51117
>>51110
Eh, more like she's the typical mainstream 'furry'.
Unfortunately, most the shit is like this. Hair, and basically just bodypaint, with a weirdly shaped head.
▶ No.51117
>>51113
Garbage. Assorted garbage, and none of it is good. All it takes is a little brushwork, on the edges, but that cannot be done.
▶ No.51120>>51122
>>51040
I believe those are geta.
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▶ No.51255>>51357
So is there like a specific term you niggers have that I can use on image sites for "Human male x furry female" fap material?
Whenever I use the tags: "human, male/female" It's always FM/HM and it's annoying.
▶ No.51357
>>51255
What do you mean? Searchin' "human male/female" should not show any M/M result.
If you mean HM/FF instead of FM/HF, I don't think there's a way to filter that. Though, I think HM/FF is more popular than FM/HF, so it shouldn't be as bad as looking for HM/FM instead of the likely more popular FM/HM.
▶ No.51362>>51364
Totally loving @teteteko's storyboard-level sketches with these two..
▶ No.51577>>52481
>>51573
In short, it's saying that if you have whooping cough, you can pass it to an infant in your care, and possibly kill it. Also, it's possible to do so without knowing you're infected, so talk to a doctor and get vaccinated.
Which, actually, is an interesting topic nobody has brought up yet. The more closely related animal species are, the more likely diseases can pass between them. Primates have given us such neat, exciting ones as AIDS, Ebola, and Zika (as well as many other mosquito-borne diseases). Depending how you structure your world's evolution, whether anthros came from humans or somehow evolved alongside, there is a high chance disease could pass between them.
▶ No.52481>>52537
>>51577
Reminds me of how the thread just died
▶ No.52537
>>52481
I think you means "the entire board", but yeah.
▶ No.52555
>>51573
Baby is probably thinking "Holy shit I think I'm a furry now."
▶ No.53224>>53264 >>53314 >>53344
Found this image. Might as well share it.
▶ No.53314
>>53224
>if furries exists
Well the first thing is that there would be more leafs, so probably not a good idea.
▶ No.53344>>53347
>>53224
If furries existed, every boy would be born with a 12" dick, that would increase to 24" at puberty.
Also, the only way that guy has a 6" dick is if he's only four feet tall.
▶ No.53347
>>53344
Clearly he's a disgusting manlet.
▶ No.53467>>53475 >>53481 >>53570 >>53571
Your QT beastwoman wife wishes to have children and suggest to find a beastman of the same race to impregnate her. How do you handle the situation?
▶ No.53468>>53475
>>47849
fluffy =//= furry
there's a difference
also the exoskeleton
▶ No.53475>>53595
>>53467
I ain't no cuckold.
Fuck her harder, until we have half-breed babies.
>>53468
How much fuzz until it's basically fur, though?
▶ No.53481>>53484 >>54011
>>53467
Why not just go to the beastman sperm bank?
▶ No.53484>>53567
>>53481
That was just the first suggestion. You imagine whatever reason why it is the first suggestion. It doesn't necessarily mean that she wants the other guy to fuck him. It could just be requesting a semen sample.
▶ No.53567
>>53484
Your reason has proven too fragile, cuckoo. Take your fetish and leave.
▶ No.53570>>53595
>>53467
Become the beastman. Duh.
▶ No.53571>>53573
>>53467
Dump her for said beastman, who didn't want to have children, anyway. Hope she gets knocked up by some loser who leaves her to raise the kid on her own, after which she will forever curse her uterus for driving away the only person who will ever love her.
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▶ No.53574>>53576 >>53581
▶ No.53576
>>53574
You spelled "right" wrong.
▶ No.53581>>53585 >>53612
>>53574
>Wanting anything to do with a creature that is biologically hard-wired to cuck you to get knocked up by the nearest teenager the moment their biological clock starts ticking
Women have no creative or productive drive. They have no method to leave behind a legacy other than shitting out babies.
▶ No.53585>>53607 >>53631
>>53581
The nearest teenager? That's awfully specific, anon.
▶ No.53595
>>53475
>Fuck her harder, until we have half-breed babies.
>>53570
>Become the beastman. Duh.
These are the correct answers.
▶ No.53607
>>53585
Both men and women are biologically wont to want to fuck teenagers. How new are you?
▶ No.53612
>>53581
Did the meaning of greentext get changed while I wasn't looking
▶ No.53631>>53673
>>53585
>be woman
>rape underage boy
>get pregnant
>file for child support the instant he turns 18
>boy gets sent to prison indefinitely for having backed child support because he has no income he can use to pay child support
>child support debt keeps stacking while he's in prison
>mfw
▶ No.53673>>53684
>>53631
>be 14-year-old girl
>have sex with 11-year-old boy
>get knocked up
>say it was rape
>boy goes to prison for being a pedophile and a rapist
>get an abortion because the father has no say
>rinse and repeat until 18, then switch to older men and repeat some more
▶ No.53684>>53688
>>53673
>be 16 year old girl
>send nudes to boyfriend
>he gets convicted for possession of child pornography
>mfw
>be 10 year old girl
>sit on 8 year old boy's face while teasing him
>teacher sees me
>he has to register as a sex offender and is banned from going near children
>despite being a child himself
>mfw
▶ No.53688>>53704
>>53684
>Be married to husband who just got drafted to the Vietnam War
>He comes home to me cheating on him with my fucktoys that I keep on the side
>I play the divorce courts like a fiddle
>I take half of his military pension that he earned fighting in the war
>I take his house that he bought himself
>I take the custody of both his children because i'm the woman
>I abuse his children emotionally and use them as objects to vent out my anger and rage because they're ruining my new relationship and miss their biological father
>My ex husband kills himself 5 years afterwards
>Write a women empowerment novel about how my two sons are going to grow up to be rapists
>Go on to write a second novel about how women are the real victims in war and that toxic masculinity is the root cause of world suffering
>Earn millions as successful feminist icon and retire peacefully
Funny enough something like this has probably actually happened irl.
▶ No.53704>>53724
>>53688
>Be woman
>Beat up husband every single day until his screams make the neighbors call the cops
>Police show up about a "domestic disturbance"
>He's bruised and bloody and she's untouched, but they arrest him because the woman is always the victim
>Interview neighbors, who say she is the one attacking, that he never lays a finger on her
>Book him on domestic abuse, anyway, because the woman is always the victim
>The repeats about once a month until she divorces him several years later
>She tells the courts that she stuck by him this long even though he has by now racked up five gorillion domestic abuse charges because she was afraid of leaving
>Also claims he raped her every night
>She is praised by the media for being so strong and brave to come out like this
>She can't work because of the emotional damage so the husband has to pay enough, alimony for the rest of her life, to support her
>He also goes to prison for being a rapist
▶ No.53724>>53770 >>53793
>>53704
>Be qt trap boy
>Cuddle with husband every night
>Cook 3 meals a day
>Clean house in maid costume and blush every time husband passes through and rubs my shoulders
>Sex every single day
>Same hobbies as hubby, so our computers are right next to each others and we shitpost and post yiff together
>spoon in bed with hubby and do it all over again the next day
▶ No.53770>>53775 >>53782
>>53724
Traps don't exist.
▶ No.53782>>53786
>>53775
wrong
>>53770
how is that a problem?
▶ No.53786>>53787
>>53782
I see your low energy and raise you a high energy, gayboy.
▶ No.53787>>53794 >>53828 >>53829
>>53786
if you can't tell if it's a boy or a girl then you also can't be called a faggot for wanting to fuk it, traps are just straight up not gay
▶ No.53793>>53796 >>53802
Thoughts on the "Human Lovers Club" doujin? It's long as fuck so I'm not going to dump it and not everyone is into transformation smut so there's also that. But here's a sadpanda link.
https://exhentai.org/g/800559/dda5084fcb/
>>53724
>Be qt trap boy
If you're going to pretend to be something that doesn't exist, at least pick something interesting like a unicorn or a dragon.
▶ No.53794
>>53787
Also traps are male. A man liking a man is gay. That's all there is to it, man.
▶ No.53796>>53801
>>53793
My primary fetish is TF so I like it but I do have a problem with the memory erasing. To not turn this to a TF discussion, the relationship between beastpeople and humans in this comic is a less edgy version of human-parasyte relationship in the comic, Parasyte. I wonder what bullshit explanation is usually used to explain beastpeople and humans co-existing in a society that is the same as ours without much prejudice.
▶ No.53801>>53802
>>53796
Yeah the mindwipe kind of bugs me too. I prefer my TF with a bit of corruption or influence from the new form (an ANT tf suddenly feeling the urge to serve a queen, but otherwise being the same). There's a hint of a happy ending later in, but yeah...
▶ No.53802>>53803
>>53793
It's okay, but I'm not particularly impressed, to be quite honest. Don't much care for the mindwipe, and the end form seems lazy to me, to be honest. That last bit's more of a style complaint, though.
As to the storyline, I found it to be a rather poor excuse to have porn. But, I guess you can't really complain about that.
>>53801
Have to agree with this, as well.
Mindwipe sudden shift TF honestly might as well not be TF, as far as I'm concerned. I like a slow corruption of the mind. Keeps the person's "self", but changes things as you go. Mindwipe just ends up getting rid of the original, essentially.
▶ No.53803
>>53802
>I like a slow corruption of the mind. Keeps the person's "self", but changes things as you go
yeah exactly. It's not as good if they can't react to their new forms and whatever new tastes it brings.
▶ No.53828
>>53787
>I like men that look like women to the point you can't tell the difference until you take their clothes off, I also like to fuck and/or be fucked by these same men.
>I'm totally not a cock smoking faggot guis.
▶ No.53829
>>53787
Even if you can't tell what it is right away, you obviously can tell once the clothes come off. And if the sight of a dick doesn't make you instantly lose your boner and nope.jpg right out of there, you're not straight. If you then proceed to have sex with this person who has a dick, you're definitely gay.
▶ No.53866>>53878
>>37126
>Filthy humans need to go.
▶ No.53869
>>37528
It would have big philosophical ramifications. Humans with skin would be “more exposed” so mentally this would seem like there a more honest version of furries. So if humans acted in a very harsh and evil manner furries would view the individual as bad and have a Hobbesian view of the world. If humans acted in a more benevolent manor furries would view the individual as good and have a more Egoist view of the world.
▶ No.53876
>>37754
>>37780
I could imagine a dystopian future based off of this. Corporations create furries in order for them to have a labor force which is legally on par with animals. A labor force witch dosen’t have a right to education, an eight hour work day, or the ability to form trade unions.
▶ No.53877
>>38210
>If there anthros existed, would racism against various human ethnicities by other humans be different? For example, would persecution against blacks be less common if there was a race that was less distinctly human them wandering about as well?
Racism would still exist. Reminder Hitler hated Slaves (who looked very similar to Germans) WAY more then he hated Blacks.
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▶ No.53905>>53906
>>37754
>>37758
>>37780
I would be greatly interested in a story along these lines. I want to explore a setting where humans elect to become furries. Make it so that the transition can only be done effectively at or before puberty so people must live with their choices. Choosing your species becomes a huge subject of parental and friend influence.
I can think of a few reasons why they might do it.
1. Get a body suited for a specific job, which may even become a requirement to work in some fields at all. Think added strength for hard manual labor or better ears, eyes, or nose for professions that can use them.
2. Show status by having an impractical body. The super rich adopt silly things like very long fur or full quadruped bodies because they have servants to take care of it.
3. Create social groups based on species. Rival gangs base themselves on different breeds of dog.
Another possible interesting story element would follow some humans that refuse the trend and wish to stay pure humans.
▶ No.53906>>53909 >>53913 >>54057
>>53905
>make it so that the transition can only be done effectively at or before puberty
To hell with that teen pride drama bullshit. Make it before adolescence for some real horror. Parents looking at their kids-to-be, and thinking of what they really wanted to be, and imposing it upon them literally. That purity stuff sounds like a major snag, by the way. Would be much less annoying for them to be the one's feeling peer pressure.
▶ No.53909>>53913 >>53935
>>53906
The problem with parents choosing directly is that it takes the personal responsibility out of the choice, which is the best reason for a world where humans can become furries. Still, that could lead to some really neat alienation stories in the early days of the technology. Imagine some resentful kids whose parents basically wanted pets instead of children. Imagine parents exiling kids from the community by choosing an unacceptable species.
I understand teen drama bullshit is awful, but you need some arbitrary limit on what people can choose. It's not meaningful if they can change their mind at any time.
The purity group isn't meant to be a real force, not one strong enough to reign in the social dynamics of the rest of humanity. They are a dwindling reminder of another time, existing to voice the flaws of the new modernity.
▶ No.53913>>54057
>>53906
>Parents looking at their kids-to-be, and thinking of what they really wanted to be, and imposing it upon them literally
So like the furry version of Doctor Bashir? "Wait, how did you hide the fact that I'm genetically enhanced? I am literally a fox-person." "Starfleet is just that stupid."
>>53909
>It's not meaningful if they can change their mind at any time
It could easily be made to be a one-time thing. Some kind of technobabble, like the DNA change is performed through a blast of some exotic radiation, and doing it more than once in a lifetime is dangerous or even deadly.
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▶ No.53927
>>40307
>We'd probably find a lot more common ground with dogs, say, than birds.
Well dogs are a product of domestication so there wouldn’t be anthro dogs. There would be anthro wolfs, but considering wolf live in packs, there would be conflict over societal organizing and each other seeing the other as “slaves who need to be liberated.” The result would be similar to what the US thought they would be welcomed by the Iraqi people during the second gulf war.
▶ No.53928
>>40826
Unfortunly probably us. Without weapons it’s hard for us to fight back and considering how high temperatures get in factories i doubt other races would be as willing as humans to do factory work.
▶ No.53935>>53995
>>53909
>it's not meaningful if they can change their mind at any time
Except they can't, since only the developmental body can be noticeably modified genetically. It's too late at puberty.
▶ No.53995>>54057
>>53935
Puberty isn't a large developmental change, though, more of a slight modification. You can't change a honda into a ferrari just by giving it a bigger tailpipe and racing stripes. It only makes any sense for this sort of thing to be done in utero.
▶ No.54002
>>45371
Best: Mongules, they live nomadic lives and wouldn’t interfere with the anthros to much
Worst: Aztecs. Aztecs sacrificed a lot of humans from other tribes as well as animals to there gods. If anthros existed they would do the same thing.
▶ No.54003
>tfw no anthro gf to warm you up during winter
Just fuck me up forever tbh
▶ No.54004>>54005
>>49473
Because in an industrial society it’s unlikely. Fur would easily get snagged in a factory and without sweet glans it would be hard for flurries to do work in factories or mines. The only possible way for humans to be the underdog with anthros in an industrial society is for humans to be slaves. But slave systems (usely) break down during industrialization.If it was the middle ages or post-industrial societies then humans would probably be underdogs though.
▶ No.54005>>54007 >>54009
>>54004
>Fur would easily get snagged in a factory
specialized suits, like we have hair nets now, but over the entire body
>without sweet glans
ice-pak vests, like human miners have
▶ No.54006
>>49601
Very different from the scenario I crafted. Humans get scattered in different regions are are subjugated by Athros and used for mining because they don’t have fur which get’s snagged. However while humans didn’t invent technology for the industrial revolution our purpose grows as humans are needed for factory work, which like mining anthros can’t do. This causes a dramatic increase in the human population, but not in the anthro population and while the start of the industrial era starts with humans being subjugated this quickly changes as human trade union violently take over society. However with post-industrialism and automation these societies ruled by trade unions quickly collapse leaving most humans in economic condition of the rust belt, but global.
▶ No.54007
>>54005
>specialized suits
Very uneconmical to be used in the early and middle indutrial eras.
>>54005
>ice-pak vests
A recent invention
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▶ No.54009
>>54005
Hairnets for the entire body'd be expensive, restricting, and likely cause some issues around temperature.
Ice packs have the same issue. And, of course, human miners needing them means you're going to need something even tougher than those for other races in their situations.
Bigger issue, though, is most things just don't have the endurance necessary to keep up with humans.
We might not be as strong, as fast, but we're able to keep working for a very long time.
▶ No.54010
>>50553
>Walt Disney himself based Mickey Mouse off of a mouse that he sort of tamed one day by feeding it cheese, but imagine if instead of a feral mouse he befriended some mouse person and based it off of them.
Unlikely, Walt Disney was a huge racist IRL. He wouldn’t take kindly to real life anthros.
▶ No.54011>>54012
>>53481
>>>/cuckholdry/
Cucks be-gone
▶ No.54012>>54050
>>54011
You could impregnate someone. There. You would have both a human child and beast.
I like polyamory but hate cuckoldry. If you fuck my gf/bf, I get to fuck you in the ass.
▶ No.54050>>54055 >>54086
>>54012
>I like polyamory but hate cuckoldry
This is like saying you hate mushrooms, but you like eating them if you later eat candy? I don't know. It sounds like a terminal case of complete retardation.
▶ No.54055
>>54050
Well... cuckoldry involves partner sharing and humiliation. Polyamory is complicated and can have very different shapes and rules. Every people seem to have a different idea of how it's gotta be.
From what I understand of cucks, the thrill is the humiliation. Polyamory would be something less one sided and fair for all parties involved since the idea would be a threesome, not ...whatever a cuck party is called. I could have worded better, though.
▶ No.54057>>54058 >>54103
>>53995
>>53906
While you are technically right that puberty doesn't make sense given the extent of the modifications needed, it tends to be grouped with a lot of rite-of-passage style changes that feel like big changes to people even if they objectively aren't. The things I proposed were more for being relatable than being correct.
>>53913
That works. It's a hand-waving explanation, but so is anything else.
General question for the thread: do you know any good stories on the themes presented here? Where do you find them?
▶ No.54058>>54081
>>54057
I always figured the "puberty" thing was because of X-Men doing it, which was itself supposed to be a loose metaphor for homosexuality.
Which is a bit stupid, because it's entirely possible and even probable for someone to figure that kind of thing out years beforehand; it really only served to maintain the stereotype that sexual orientation was something not set until the teenage years, when in reality it's certainly fixed as much as it is going to be, by age two or three.
▶ No.54081
>>54058
Which is why making this centered around "puberty" is just asking for a fucking 4pm slot on teennick. Garbage, I says.
▶ No.54086>>54090 >>54114
>>54050
its not the same thing, the cucking has you in the same room and he is aware of it, the humiliation aspect is what makes it cucking. It's not like if he has no interest or if his bitch goes behind his back. Polyamory is not the same thing as cucking.
If I pay for a prostitute one day, and go pay a different prostitute for the next day, did I cuck the first one? Don't be ridiculous.
▶ No.54090>>54091 >>54097
>>54086
>If I pay for a prostitute one day, and go pay a different prostitute for the next day, did I cuck the first one? Don't be ridiculous.
You’re never dating or in a romantic relationship with prostitutes. It’a a one off thing. Very different from dating or marriage. Also cuckholdry includes anytime a person willingly allows there partner to have sex with someone else. So it includes Polamory.
▶ No.54091>>54095
>>54090
This. Likewise, it isn't cuckoldry if you've got someone you just fuck, who also fucks other people.
Cuckoldry only applies when you're romantically involved.
Which is why it's so horrendously degenerate.
▶ No.54095>>54096
>>54091
Not that simple. In some cases of polyamory, you're letting your boyfriend fuck your girlfriend or every other set of combination. In other other cases, you have your own partners with little overlap with the partners of your partners.
Cuckolding needs to be better defined. At this point it can be anything, ranging from simple wife sharing to swinging and orgies.
▶ No.54096
>>54095
That still sounds like cuckoldry to me. Unless you're involved, in which case it's a threesome.
▶ No.54097>>54100
>>54090
>You’re never dating or in a romantic relationship with prostitutes
you could be tbh
>cuckholdry
it's "cuckoldry" you are not holding the cuck, Anon.
>So it includes Polamory
You're free to think if it you want, but there's no problem with mutual lovers casually having sex and making it meaningful. Who the fuck are you to burst in and start throwing around insults?
▶ No.54100>>54102
>>54097
>but there's no problem with mutual lovers casually having sex
Don't you have a circumcised dick to flash, Louie?
▶ No.54102>>54143
>>54100
Nice non-argument, faggot.
▶ No.54103>>54107
>>54057
>do you know any good stories on the themes presented here? Where do you find them?
I'm to look in M.C.A. Hogarth books but I kind of have a book queue right now, so I don't know when I'm getting to read any of it. One of the settings have races ranging from people similar to angels to fox people made thru genetic engineering by humans.
On furries sites, anything with humans is very rare. I don't really think I have suggestions.
▶ No.54107
>>54103
Stories about humans creating furries through genetic engineering are interesting, but if there’s no logical reason why humans do it that goes beyond fetish shit, the concept goes to shit. It’s a good concept, but it has to executed properly.
▶ No.54114>>55308
>>54086
The problem here is that it's still cuckoldry if it's merely HAPPENING, regardless if the person like it as a fetish or is even aware of it happening. There is a slight separation of the definition between the fetish and the state (and even more between those and the meme insult) but as it's become a recent buzzword, all other definitions have become moot. At this point, you can't begin to fight that popular opinion has destroyed the original definitions completely, so you should probably just avoid using them entirely, or people ARE going to misunderstand you.
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▶ No.54143>>55308
>>54102
>im not being cheated on if i cheat on her
Yes, you are, and now she's been cheated. Way to lower yourself, CUCK.
▶ No.54157>>54167
>tfw your post about how nice the Imperfect Item reality was for vanilla human x furry got 404'd as off topic
>meanwhile there's cuckoldry shitposting derailing the thread
delet this
▶ No.54167>>54214
>>54157
Something tells me the salesman just wants furry gene to spread into the genepool.
▶ No.54214>>54318
>>54167
More than likely, still, I'd say providing affordable as fuck beast women with slight imperfections to NEETs is a service in and of itself.
beast women >>> 3D/2D women anyways.
▶ No.54318
>>54214
>Japanese birth rates plummets
>NEETs end up impregnating cheap beastwomen with their "universal penises" (I guess the female NEETs got involved too)
>a sizable percent of the population are now part beastmen
>people start assuming beastmen are Japanese
>having blonde hair makes you stick out in Japan more than having a dog snout
▶ No.55301>>55304 >>55306 >>55308
What bullshit explanation should be used to justify an Animal Crossing like setting?
▶ No.55304
>>55301
"All just a dream"
▶ No.55306
>>55301
That sounds like basically a reverse-monsterboy scenario where the human character is some weirdo who doesn't understand animal social norms and stands out like a sore thumb.
▶ No.55308>>55338
>>54114
Then that's their fault for not understanding definitions, but definitions do change with time. I still maintain there is a difference between cheating, cucking, swinging, and polyamory.
>>54143
>muh duhgenewucy
>muh lowwuwing
Abstract nonsense, begone with your shitty buzzwords, cuck-a-doodle-doo.
>>55301
Justify what? A multicultural multispecie town full of peaceful anthros happily coexisting with eachother? The only real villains in the game are Nook who forces you into wage slavery to pay off your forced loan, and Redd who scams you sometimes. Maybe you can also count Resetti, if you're not a moralfag and who wants to put up with his bullshit speeches.
▶ No.55338>>55343
>>55308
>A multicultural multispecie town full of peaceful anthros happily coexisting with eachother?
Plus one human, yes.
▶ No.55343>>58458
>>55338
If wolves can live in the same town as rabbits and not kill eachother, why wouldn't they accept humans?
▶ No.58446
>>36907
Ha! Furs with rights, that's hilarious. What next, the privilege of wearing clothing? You'll have to be satisfied with your hourly rape breaks. Speaking of, break is over, bend the fuck over.
▶ No.58458
>>55343
If wolves can live in the same town as rabbits, why would they have issue with humans?
▶ No.58473>>58484
What animals would have hymens?
▶ No.58484
>>58473
Wiki says chimpanzees, elephants, manatees, whales, horses and llamas. That is probably not an exhaustive list.
▶ No.58653>>58657 >>58664 >>58680 >>61185 >>64187 >>64481
Found this image that really got me thinking that we didn't really got a consensus here about the anthropomorphic characters. Some folks prefer the more bestial anthropomorphics while others prefer the tamer, closer to humans 'ones.
Sure you can want 9ft+ deadly anthros, but you can't easily justify human presence because there would be tons of even deadlier and big animals just to begin the justification of how those anthros attained sapience.
I like, from the image, both the 'furry' and 'anthro' approach. You have the distinct appearance, some mannerisms and sensorial differences from humans and (possibly) their very own culture and civilization. Though, something between them could also be interesting, as in, the 'furry' one is too human but the way to go in a contemporary setting since they would have to blend in with humans.
So yeah, as you can see it's not easy to make furry characters distinct (beyond appearance) and believable. Any suggestions?
▶ No.58657
>>58653
>would have to date the equivalent of a primitive native to satisfy my digitagrade preference
Fur world problems
▶ No.58664>>58722
>>58653
I'm not much a fan of the whole 'savage' thing. There's no reason that a fur race has to be backwards barbarians.
I prefer treating them as their own alien little civilization. Bit more like the difference between, say, the English and the Chinese, as it were. Albiet, with some more extreme differences largely due to their biology.
As far as making them 'distinct', I love to add traits that have to do with the animals they come from.
Stereotypes from the critters, as it was. Smug cats, annoying badgers, lazy sloths, and so on.
▶ No.58680>>58681 >>58703 >>58722 >>65049
>>58653
This is just a sliding scale between a werewolf and a typical furry.
It's also a little bit inapplicable for how most furries see things, where it should be more like a sliding scale between a human and a literal wolf. Doing that, it makes it obvious that a more-feral wolfman would be SMALLER than a human. Kinda like a wolfish pygmy, if you can imagine that.
Also, square-cube law, man! That werewolf should weigh as much as a large grizzly bear (1000 pounds) if he's going to be freaking 9 feet tall.
▶ No.58681
>>58680
Oh yeah, and 250 pounds for a 7' tall human would be a scrawny basketball player. For a "stronger than a human" wolfman at that height, you'd probably be looking more like a 7' tall football lineman, who weighs 400 pounds.
▶ No.58703>>58704
>>58680
Robert Wadlow was only one inch shorter than that and weighed only 440lbs, he was also insanely strong even at that weight.
▶ No.58704>>58731
>>58703
Robert Wadlow was a stick figure compared to that werewolf, and died of heart failure because human beings can't be that tall and have the same anatomy.
▶ No.58717>>64175
>>50006
>Christians fear Cynocephaly
>Dog-headed men turn up in Christian devotional art throughout Medieval Europe, found among choruses praising the Lord, among the “nations of the world” receiving the Gospel in representations of the Pentecost, bringing Christianity to the corners of the world, or ascended to Heaven.
>Around 825AD, Frankish theologian Ratharamnus wrote his Epistola de Cynocephalis to his fellow monk Rimbert, in response to his query about “what you should believe about the Cynocephali.” Ratharamnus concludes the apparent capacity of the “dog-heads” to make laws, practice agriculture and “cover the privates” is evidence that they are the are “sons of Adam” and rational beings with minds and souls, capable of salvation. (4)
>The monks at the Greek Orthodox monastery complex at Mount Athos are said to be reluctant to show to visitors the St Christopher dog’s tooth relic, and one fresco of a fully human St Christopher at Mount Athos appears to have been painted over an earlier dog-headed version. It seems the current Western Christian version of St Christopher, as a child-carrying human giant, arose in the twelfth century and over the next two hundred years pushed out the prevailing dog-headed version of the saint. Walter Loeschke’s 1965 study of a “Tieköpgigen Christophoros” found 70 examples of dog-headed St Christophers in Christian iconography from Russia to Ireland.
https://mattsalusbury.blogspot.com/2012/03/short-history-of-dog-headed-men.html
Powerwolf is basically right about everything.
▶ No.58722>>58726
>>58680
>a more-feral wolfman would be SMALLER than a human
Totally agree with this. Submissives/passives won't be happy though lol
>That werewolf should weigh as much as a large grizzly bear (1000 pounds)
Yep. To be fair, I saw that image and didn't mind it 'cause I don't use or understand those stupid snowflake US measurement system.
>>58664
>There's no reason that a fur race has to be backwards barbarians.
Yeah. But surely they should have the anatomy for handling tools, at least, should they have something more than primitive lifestyle.
▶ No.58726
>>58722
Sure, but you can't really get 'primitive tools' without that ability, either.
▶ No.58731>>58734
>>58704
Yes it's more muscular but not 600 pounds more muscular, also he died because of an infection.
▶ No.58734
>>58731
I'm not going to quibble meaningless details with you. The math doesn't lie.
▶ No.60456
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▶ No.61185>>61186
>>58653
If I had to choose I guess I'd go wih the furry on that, since its kind of more interesting in a setting where you have anthros mixing with human/humanoid society. And having conflict with other societies that might be mixed the same way etc.
▶ No.61186>>61229
>>61185
The problem is that the majority of the time, there is no difference between furry and human, in that type of deal.
It's too far.
Middle is best.
▶ No.61229>>61244
>>61186
The similarity is going to be very high regardless unless you can think of something a bit abstract. The middle in that picture doesn't do a good job convincing me its something special. Its your usual native-american/tribal human inspired anthro wolf with wolf abilities. Holding a signature human weapon. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
▶ No.61244
>>61229
Sure, but you're comparing 60% to 90% here.
Just because it isn't that original, doesn't mean going full unoriginal is better.
I agree it could be done better, but I don't think that means that we should just go straight humans-with-fur.
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▶ No.64168
Probably unrelated to where this thread's gone now, but when I took my first Seeing Eye dog to Anthrocon in 2003-ish, we made a joke that she had a persona instead of a fursona and a friend bought a badge we clipped to her harness for the weekend for laughs. (The badge also helped keep people from calling out her real name and distracting her at work. I've done the "secret agent name" thing with all my dogs since.)
▶ No.64175
>>58717
The history of cynocephali is so cool, especially because their existence was considered completely factual by many western cultures for nearly a millennium. To a scholar of the medieval age, tribes of dog-headed men were as real as any other foreign societies listed in historical compendiums. It's really interesting.
▶ No.64187
>>58653
That font is fucking disgusting.
▶ No.64481
>>58653
That font, pls no.
>>43897
> humanXfurry
So like two pictures
▶ No.64933>>64969
>>47759
>that filename
leave
▶ No.64938>>65043
>>49473
Humans are likely to be underdogs through most of history as the physically stronger Anthros push humans into desert regions like the Middle East and Central Asia, where only Humans can survive. Into the Colonial and Early Industrialized period new technology makes the stationing of limited Anthro soldiers said regions possible, but expensive. So these areas become puppets of Anthro countries. However come the late Industrial area Oil is discovered in Human desserts. With new oil wealth these puppet states are quickly replaced with Nationalist Republics in Armed Revolutions. These new Republics than launch an oil boycot which launches the Human areas to massive wealth and a large population boom.
▶ No.64969>>65019
>>64933
>literally anything wrong with posting Guoh
No, I think it's you who needs to leave, you newfaggot.
▶ No.65019>>65029 >>65040 >>65045
>>64969
>filename tumblr_n6xzreShwf1tdv657o1….jpg
You don’t see the problem do you?
▶ No.65029
>>65019
Guoh posts shit there that doesn't always immediately get uploaded elsewhere.
There's no virtue signalling or tumblr nose type shit in the image.
▶ No.65040
>>65019
Considering Guoh has been a site staple for beastraces and general /tg/-tier content for years, no, I'm afraid I do not see the problem.
I mean, outside of newfags thinking they can fit in by applying rules and standards they don't understand
▶ No.65043>>65046 >>65148
>>64938
I still don't get the point that they should be physically stronger than humans and even then, an organized army and strategy which humans are more likely to have is much more impactful.
▶ No.65045>>65046 >>65401
>>65019
porn is the only good thing tumblr is for, so think of it this way, if tumblr gets filled with porn, it'll push all the SJW cancer out of the way.
▶ No.65046>>65049
>>65045
Kind of depends on the porn, though, doesn't it?
>>65043
Personally, I'd say some animals would be technically "stronger", but they'd tend to lack the endurance of humans.
The only danger as far as an anthro race, for humanity, would have to be wolves. Since, they have humanity's endurance, to a fairly large degree. Though, I don't really think they're necessarily "stronger".
▶ No.65049>>65050
>>65046
Technically, as anon >>58680 said wolf anthros would be smaller than humans.
Though, it all depends on how the anthropomorphism is made. To note, from a believable and acceptable evolution view intelligent beings kind of have to be somewhat of underdogs physically compared to non sapient animals as to have an edge over them (inteligence in the case) be able to be selected. If anthros are that much stronger than humans and they evolved in the same place, it pretty much means that humans are extinct since they couldn't handle the wild animals that coevolutioned with anthros.
▶ No.65050
>>65049
There's more to evolution than raw strength, but yeah.
Generally speaking, humans have a fair bit of strength to them, anyway. We're not exactly weak. Compared to some animals? Sure. But, then, there are a lot of animals that are quite a huge load weaker than us.
Fact is, most things have some advantages and disadvantages, around.
Personally, I think any anthro race should be built with those in mind. Throw in, for instance, ingenuitive crow people with a passion for puzzles, rather than "GENERIC BIRD RACE, DEY FLY".
▶ No.65148>>65933
>>65043
That doesn’t mean much in a desert. Take the strongest man in the world and force him to wear a thick fur coat. Than have him face off agains a normal person dressed in shorts and a T-shirt. Then put them in the middle of the Shara. See which one comes out on top. Outside of the Sahara the stronger man will always win, but not inside it.
▶ No.65401
>>65045
Except now Tumblr auto-censors all the porn blogs so I can't view the porn without making a Tumblr account to disable the fucking "safe mode." Fuck this earth.
▶ No.65933
>>65148
The stronger man doesn't have to be anthros, though.
▶ No.73403
>>44837
>anything much more than three or four times your size is going to be effectively unfuckable.
Are you sure about that? It seems to me that'd be the perfect size to some with a few specific fetishes...