/fur/ - Furry★

>>34623 (OP)

for stuff that free on other sites, yes

for stuff that's commissioned, is on both the artist's and commissioner's gallery, but not e621 because someone called their fursona sparkle dog shit, or it's "miss gendered" then double yes.

There might be an argument if the artists where making ad money off of hosting their free pictures off FA or if sources weren't directly linking back to their gallery, and credit was given, but they aren't

/thread

>>34623 (OP)

Retarded rules from retarded people, it's simple as that

e621 become famous before changing owner and those never deleted anything nor cared about dnp rules, as every image board should, just keep the server where dmca is ignored and they are more then a few, and continue to host your board as nothing, fuck paywalls and thin skinned idiots

Nope.

>>34623 (OP)

IIRC there's some bullshit about how promotional content can't be uploaded until like a year passes from it's original date. Which seems arbitrary and unfounded.

Also the mods are fucking faggots.

>fuck the rights of the IP holder, I'm a shitty entitled liberal that thinks art belongs to the world

>>34642

>where dmca is ignored

such countries are slowly dwindling, even fi they don't abide by the DMCA they're at least taking strong anti-piracy measures now. Russia, once a haven of no copyrights and piracy, is now getting almost fascist about fighting piracy. Putin's new way to put a tighter hold on the people he controls. While China isn't quite there yet they have started taking steps to fight violations, including arresting bootleg toy sellers. Hey, it's China, if their police and military can find a new way to beat up the population, they'll jump on it.

As for the few countries that don't give a shit, well... the US now has a special branch that is practically labeling such nations as terrorist states because they don't fight piracy. Gotta protect the movie and music industry's bottom lines!

https://torrentfreak.com/us-international-trade-administration-worries-about-widespread-piracy-170703/

>>34663

lol keep crying faggot maybe one day the artist whose dick your sucking will give you a FREE* commission.

Also yiffparty says hi.

>>34623 (OP)

The bullshit is that people listen to it or not share Patreon exclusives. COUGH Hiroshiru.

>>34666

It's one thing to pirate shit, but don't act like you're owed access to it because you breathe air. Fucking leftist.

Maybe one day you'll create something then whine when you can't make a dime from it because everyone is enjoying it for free against your wishes.

>>34692

>EVERYONE I DONT LIKE IS A LEFTY REEEEEEE

Keep screeching autist, I'll take what I want.

>>34694

it's just porn.

>>34664

This is probably the business of the future, what are now considered third world country that have nothing to lose can completely ignore retarded copy my asshole law and host whatever they want

Basically they can make a fortune by allowing anything on their server, just invest something in fast connection to some african country and done, no law and as long as money flow, no one care either, being no real way to enforce anything there as they have nothing to trade, well some of those country have/had gems and such but not all, they could ignore all first world regulation and gain on the stupidity and ignorance of country falling for dmca level bullshit

I know it's not this simple , but i think it's both feasible and could potentially earn billions in years, of course some of the content hosted there would probably be of dubious taste, like pedoshit, but if this happen it's only the first world fault, by banning everything and bending over for mpaa/riaa friendos and opening up such blatant vulnerability with their ignorance, they have only to blame themselves if this happen

>>34692

There would be no need of piracy or site like yiffparty if those fucking morons would share their work after a few months, free ad, all the exposure they want plus still a fully functional patreon, artist that do don't 'suffer' piracy, and considering how much they gain with their shilling, they can go hang themselves for what we care

But no, they have to be greedy bastard where money are not enough, they want ALL THE MONEY instead, and piracy is the obvious answer, it's has always been since the dawn of internet and it will always be, sharing, this is what internet is for, and if you attempt to imped it, site like yiffparty are the answer

It's also logical, why pay for 10 greedy artist idiots, when just paying for 1 and sharing i can get the content of the other 9 for free? It's a perfectly rational decision, one we should all applaud

>>34759

>defending IP

top cuck

>>34759

>>34759

You just went full ad hominem

>>34623 (OP)

e6's rules are tame compared to fchan. Try putting up with a site with just as many DNP restrictions while there's a hard cap on the number of posts and threads, and at any time each board is occupied by fifteen slight variations on something like MLP foot vore being bumped in waves by namefags doing inane shit like erping in the subject line with random backlinks in the post body.

>>34807

Oh God I forgot about fchan's bullshit DNP thing.

Nope. Artists have ZERO LEGAL POWER of their "copyright" or whatever bullshit, especially when it comes to digital media. Because of this, the only pressure a website has to comply with artist's demands is because they are partners with artists. This makes sense for a site like FA or IB, or whoever else, that is primarily a community of artists. If they piss off their artists, they'll see a decline in their community.

But e621 is a porn dump, not a community. It does not benefit from artists. It does not NEED artists. Thus, there is zero benefit from acquiescing to whatever silly little demands they have about DNP or whatever. The only reason it's happening, that I can think of, is because the owners must also be artists and so are doing it to show solidarity or whatever. It's like when niggers all stick together and do thinks that benefit other niggers, even if it doesn't specifically benefit themselves or their business.

>>34807

Fchan self-destructed over their militant DNP list. That's why it's been irrelevant for a decade.

>>34820

>Artists have ZERO LEGAL POWER of their "copyright" or whatever bullshit, especially when it comes to digital media.

lmao, artists have full legal power over their artwork, whether in digital or traditional form. the dumb thing is that most bitch not because someone is making money off of their work illegally, but just because "I'm not/I can't be popular on your site therefore I don't like you and you can't host my super-special oc donut steel artwork™"

So, in the event that this shit would go to court, the artist would have to actually hold a registered copyright for the judges to care about his feefees, otherwise nobody will care.

>>34859

>artists have full legal power over their artwork, whether in digital or traditional form

I'm confused. You say that, and then immediately afterward say that they would have to hold a registered copyright in order to have legal power over it. Which is it?

>>34886

Not him, but you have copyright on your stuff inherently. You just have to be able to prove it. Registering it with the government just makes it easier to do so and is more professional.

>>34886

Nobody will bother ruling in your favor if your case is simply "take my stuff down from your site because I don't like your site" without a formal copyright registration.

I already said it, but who bothers reading these days, amirite?

Also I should mention that's for US copyright law

>>34898

There's also tbib.org (the big image board) that contains over 6 million posts and from what I've seen they don't have a "DNP" list, but I could be wrong.

>>34692

>it's the piracy = lost sales argument

doesn't work for music, doesn't work for games, doesn't work for porn. The people who pirate still aren't going to buy your shit if you manage to defeat piracy. And, you won't. Ever.

>>34951

the search but most importantly the BLACKLIST holy shit it's so nice not having to see all the 52 variations of gay shit, 20 kinds of pedoshit, 12 shit based fetishes, ponies and so forth

>>34897

>>34898

>>34899

looks like they cave to "waaaaah but I didn't say you could post it here" from artists as well

http://furry.booru.org/index.php?page=forum&s=view&id=408

>>34904

nope they're cucks too

http://forum.booru.org/index.php?action=vthread&forum=2&topic=166

http://forum.booru.org/index.php?action=vthread&forum=2&topic=632

This is why people go to chans of all places for furry porn... blacklists are virtually unenforceable here

>>34666

Look you dense motherfucker, e621 is a big open business that can be easily sued, Yiff party is an obscure site with a obscure owner that people don't even know who he is and possibly never will.

Different sites, each for their own use.

>>34993

lulz.net got sued by jeremy bernal (owner of sexyfur.com) for people posting sexyfur material on the board.

how is e621 any different?

>>35001

I'm curious; what if anything came out of that lawsuit?

>>35005

Sexyfur use copyrighted material for their image, copyrighted by Others, what happen is someone remind them of this and report to the original right?

Who is gonna get sued then? You can't say it's parody and sell it as yours, such excuse won't hold in court

>>35014

pic related is perfectly NOT CREEPY by e621 standards*

forgot to type this part

And then there are artists who doesn't want his Patreon content leaking through yiff.party so he makes a mailing list and only sends images to people who pay a certain amount of money.

Each batch of images sent to a particular person comes with its own watermark so the Artist can know accurately who leaked the images and ban them from buying from him again.

Fuck you Aaron

>>35020

aarons images suck ass though.

nothing of value was lost

>>34679

what artist?

>the DMCA allows for MASSIVE fines for image reposting/reuse without permission

>anyone who abides by it are a misused /pol. meme word

A site admin getting a $30K fine if they get hit by a DMCA fine isn't worth your entitled needs, and believe it or not, such things have happened over image reuse many times. A DMCA claim with no fine is the person being generous.

But if they're not popufur you probably don't give a fuck about their submissions to start with, so what if their stuff is DNP on a booru? You don't look at it where oyu can already find it.

>>34993

>thinking it's impossible for individuals to be sued

again, furries display their utter lack of knowledge of the legal system. What I expect of a group that thinks "driving to someone's house" = "consent to have sex".

>>34623 (OP)

It is, but I understand it from a "I want add revenue/personal page views" lot.

I would never do it myself, but I do see their logic as it were.

Then again, I'm also the type who wouldn't do something like this for personal gain. I'd be doing it because I want to, because it's fun.

>>35052

>Where the fuck did this come from?

zaush drama, dont mind it.

>>35052

>IP is still a bullshit concept

It isn't. It's as basic a concept as getting pissed when someone takes credit for your idea at work and gets a promotion. Most people aren't going to stand by anyone making money off a series they created, or would be pissed if a company with more resources mass produced their design before they could get off their feet.

>until we can abolish IP law completely...

The laws we have are definitely convoluted and excessive, but that doesn't make the core concept any less important. We need to trim the fat, not pull the roots.

Stuff like patents lasting way longer than necessary or the excessive fight against copying digital content to simply share with others.

>>35005

So there was never actually a lawsuit. The guy THREATENED one, and lulz caved like everyone else.

Typical. Cowards. Nothing would have happened. Any judge would have throw that shit right out of court.

>>35063

i don't really know the story. all i know is that something happened and lulz had to forbid sexyfur content.

>>35052

>And you solution is to what, establish an arbitrary number of people you can show it to without it being considered "theft"?

Not really, that issue kinda solves itself just through the natural hurdles involved with trying to show off a video to a large number of people in person.

If you wanted to show it off to as many people as possible, you could barely fit maybe 10-20 people in your living room depending on how well off you are.

If you really wanted to have as many eyes on it as possible, you could get your hands on a projector and rent out a large building or something and invite people to a public showing that could possibly fit a few hundred people.

That's already starting to take way more time, money, and effort than most people really care to put in just to make sure as many people see the one copy of the movie they bought.

At that point people usually start charging a fee themselves to at least cover costs, if not make a profit for themselves, after going through the trouble of dealing with those natural barriers to sharing their purchase.

The internet basically throws all that out the window and makes it easy to share a piece of entertainment to the point of absurdity.

You'd basically have to rely entirely on an artist's will to work solely out of the desire to make art rather than any promises of money since working for months just to make a single $20 sale that will be shared to literally everyone is insane under any circumstances.

They'd have to start charging four figure prices for a single comic book just to make any kind of livable income, which no one would find affordable, so they might not even make the money that way either.

Pretty much all movie productions would become charity cases since there would be no possible way for anyone to justify spending hundreds of thousands to even millions of dollars funding the production of a movie knowing there wouldn't be any financial return.

The best you could hope to see would be indie films and newgrounds flash cartoons, and that's just assuming that the sudden absence of professional quality content doesn't cause some sort of shift in how those obscenely low budget productions are viewed.

Once they become "high quality" because making what used to be high quality became prohibitively expensive, they might decide they want to be recompensed for their time and effort too.

Especially since there's no industry left to break into, making their work's use as a portfolio, a way to make their name known to larger producers, or otherwise be a long term way of allowing them to earn more money an exercise in futility.

It's not even just a matter of greedy assholes wanting money, a lot of people can't spare the time to produce art freely when they're needing to spend it on making a living since it they apparently shouldn't be one and the same.

An artist's desire to create may still produce a piece of work now and then, but asking to make the monetization of an their work impossible by removing any penalties for freely sharing their efforts would nearly kill off all visual media except maybe comics and still image art which would still see a significant impact in how much is created.

You'd get your free sharing, but you'd have much less left to pass around.

**Why does that rabbit get a bike for free when the other rabbit had to learn how to make it himself or work a job to pay for it?"

>>35127

i think the hand is supposed to be facing to the front, meaning you're looking at it from above and not from under. but since its a mediocre artist perspective isn't their strong point.

>>35127

>I think it's better that people get more for doing less.

Man, you're dumb.

So. Lazy, incompetent fuck gets more for doing less. Okay.

Cue other person who gets less for doing much more.

It thinks this is fucking retarded, so now its prices spiral into prohibitively expensive, to match the other fuck's quality-price ratio.

You are left with no other options but to pay up or go fuck yourself. Because as long as the "you get more for doing less" philosophy is the norm, those few who do more and do it better will rightfully want even MORE.

>>35230

>working harder when you dont have to for nothing more

Enjoy slavery, fagshit. I'll just be here getting my free stuff.

>>35231

>for nothing more

<person 1 asks 30$ for 30$ job, gets paid

<person 2 asks 100$ for 5$ job, gets paid

<person 1 now asks 600$ for 30$ job, gets paid (or gets complaints?)

Some people want to do their work as best as they can, just because they feel like to.

They are called people with real jobs.

They also want their work to be rewarded fairly. If "fairly" means "too fucking much" because this is true for everyone else aswell, then so be it.

>>35234

>Some people want to do their work as best as they can, just because they feel like to

If you work private on your own, i agree

When you are working for someone else, you are a retard

Harder work =/ Better Pay

Wageslave logic won't get you anywhere in life, they just use you more, i have see it happening to a close friend, not only that, if for some reason your work decrease even just a little in quality or quantity for good reasons, you are reprimanded for it

Fuck them, work as much and for what they pay you, not a cent more, unless you are working in investment, it won't make a difference

Once I pay for a commissioned piece it becomes mine to distribute and copy, scan, or upload is the way I see it, as long as it's not commercial. I also credit the artist when I share it and encourage people who like it to support them. Businesses like Sexyfur who try to trample on simple lending and sharing for others to enjoy.

>>35305

You assume that all artist are fine with that, i asked an artist once if he could release a version without his signature stamped in the In The Centre of the image, yes in the centre of it

He answered that people would have stolen it if he would

I answered, just add a small signature in the border then, like any other artist do

Same answer as above

In short, never underestimate autism, there is no bottom

>>35038

>well she gave consent, so what if she only consented because he threatened to beat her if she didn't spread her legs?

>Zaush is popufur, of course he's perfect, now if it had been addlesee or Hirtes I would be grabbing the pitchforks but not in this case, better call the victim a liar even though she only told 1 person in private and didn't pursue it after! Maybe Zaush will give me free art if I defend his guilty ass!

There is more proof that Zaush is guilty than there is of Bill Cosby's guilt.

Fuck you, just because Kayla-Na is a slut doesn't mean all women are. No wonder you furries support Drumpf, he's also a popular rapist.

I'd threaten to add you to my FA block list but most likely you're already on it. Morons tend to get blocked pretty damn easy.

>>35273

>Same thing goes for editing out signatures and not crediting artists.

I would never do that. Hell, even shits like Bernal deserve to be credited at least.

yes

>I want free entertainment, IP is garbage, people should be happy to make art for free and let me consume it for free as I please

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoneyDearBoy

So you want to kill off much of the entertainment industry. Enjoy a couple mediocre indie movies, real shit music and some lame low-quality indie games and nothing else because you were entitled.

>waah you hurt my feelings calling out Zaush for what he did! He dindu nuffin! Whore drove to his house, that's a total yes! The fact she only noted one person and it only got out through a hack doesn't matter, she was clearly regretful!

SHUT THE FUCK UP! Accept your little low-tier internet celeb(oh wow, a few K watchers on a crappy art site, he really matters!) is a criminal who forced a woman to put out because he's too pathetic to get laid legit.

I'm a man, you're a cunt. Fuck off back to your little Breitbart /pol/ safe space, asshole.

No, it's the whole reason we have a yiffparty thread.

>>35355

>Enjoy a couple mediocre indie movies, real shit music and some lame low-quality indie games

You mean like what we've had to deal with for more than a decade at this point?

Also

>tvtropes

>randomly bringing up /pol/

>i'm manleer den u

butthurt af tbh

>>35355

I don't care how much you hate Zaush. The moment you start white-knighting for women crying "rape" like the proverbial boy cried "wolf", you've already resigned yourself to a lifetime of having your balls crushed underneath high-heels.

ITT: Entitled retards

>>35396

lol stay mad fagot

>>35398

>I'm a woman

pls be in london

>>35400

Kys desperate cuck

>>35396

you don't have the right to tell other people not to make copies of or host a particular arrangement of data, that's entitlement.

>>35355

not sure if you're just a troll or genuinely this autistic but I'll reply anyway

it's easy for good artists to make money through patreon, releasing a steady stream of new art to keep people interested.

an absense of copyright law would not make a difference for hard working artists with a sensible business model. plenty of people are happy to pay for something they could get for free just to support the creator.

imo most of the entertainment industry could stand to die off and we'd be better off for it, it'd make room for people with genuine talent to take the spotlight instead of whoever can afford the best lawyers to bully out the competition with bullshit copyright laws.

>>35319

>>35319

>this is more proof that...

no, that isn't "proof" of anything you retarded vagina. you don't even know what proof actually is.

its impossible to argue with females because they think their FEELINGS count as evidence. this is why females will always be subhuman no matter how much they bitch and moan. you're only where you are because MEN allowed you to. remember that.

zaush didn't rape anybody, cosby didn't rape anybody, you're a stupid cunt, go back to the kitchen, find a husband, and raise children.

>>34663

>fuck the rights of the IP holder, I'm a shitty entitled liberal that thinks art belongs to the world

Nigger, I want as much porn as I can get. It really is that simple. Also, no. If I was never going to "pay" for it in the first place, it's not stealing. Same with piracy in general. Those who /copy/ something without paying who wouldn't have payed for it anyway make no difference at all.

Also stop shilling and get out

>>36444

>paying for things you can get for free

I bet you're the kind of faggot that pays $3.50 for a bottle of water at the store instead of using tap.

>>36444

What the fuck are you talking about?

I see something I want (digital, not physical) and one of two things happen: Do I have a means of acquiring it? Do it. I have it now. Do I not? Fuck it, I guess I'm not getting that porn.

>>36447

Bitch, bottled water is expensive. I buy water filters so I can drink my tap water free from the mind control drugs put into to keep you placid and impressionable.

>>36152

>If I was never going to "pay" for it in the first place, it's not stealing.

Taking a retail things without paying IS stealing. No court is ever going to accept the "I wasn't going to buy it anyway so..." defense. Being digital with infinite copies doesn't really justify it.

I'm a frequent media pirate. I piss off "muh reeal hard wear" elitist GG asshole gamers by running everything on emulators(fags who insist "real hardware is better" need to justify their money spent- nope, emulators are not only excellent but often a better experience). I've pirated piles of PC games. Movies and TV, torrent or Youtube/Dailymotion. I tried streaming services, they are cheap, but often remove shit I like to add crap like Jem or some other thing no one will ever watch.

>give it 5 years and Netflix will be 100% original shows with no classic TV or movies at all

My MP3 player is 99.9% pirated- the only "legal" stuff were bought used as I could not find downloads, then I sold the CDs off, which is still technically illegal.

I don't justify it with anything other than "I'm cheap". I don't care if it's wrong, but I know it's wrong. It doesn't stop me. I can say "well company X or celebrity Y is rich and/or horrible" but if I really dislike something, say Metallica, Danzig or other bags of shit- I don't listen to or enjoy their entertainment. I hate Sony for shutting down Lik-Sang, but even if they hadn't I'd still pirate PS1 games. I can say 'well buying used doesn't give the company a dime either" which is true, but that's not a factor for me. I'm cheap, end of story.

>>35822

I'm a man, you're a pussy, Zaush did rape her, Woody Allen raped his daughter. Cosby may have been framed but I'm not sure anymore since he's admitted to so much iffy stuff. Wouldn't surprise me anymore of Fred Rogers molested kids. Fuck you, cuntrag. You're the liar, just like your heroes Trump and Milo.

Facts are not feelings, but your feelings sure seem fucking hurt because your artist got called out. That's all this is, if this were Hirtes you wouldn't be defending him. McFucking kill yourself, you useless alt-right drain on society.

It's impossible to argue with conservatives, because you're so indoctrinated to believe lies starting with religion, that you come to hate any facts that go against your uneducated beliefs. Push that narrative to keep the world form advancing, pretend those who don't share your views are an enemy. refuse to become educated, believe God is real, believe women are inferior, believe Trump is anything other than a selfish Jew who works with Russia. You are less intelligent than a farm animal, and less useful, because you can't even be used as food.

>>36449

>the mind control drugs put into to keep you placid and impressionable.

/pol/ pls go

>>34663

>fuck the rights of the IP holder, I'm a shitty entitled liberal that thinks art belongs to the world

>Taking a retail things without paying IS stealing

Cry about it lmao

>>36556

>>36556

THEY'RE PUTTIN CHEMICALS IN THE WATER, THAT TURN THE FRIGGIN FISH GAY

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/02/fish-becoming-transgender-contraceptive-pill-chemicals-flushed/

>>36496

>Zaush did rape her

>Cosby may have been framed

>Wouldn't surprise me anymore of Fred Rogers molested kids

convenient the dae drumpf xd has mental problems

>>36496

>I'm a man, you're a pussy, Zaush did rape her

Then I guess it makes you a rapist, too. Why? Because I SAID SO. You're lucky I don't actually know you, because if I did, I could send you to prison based on my word against yours. Seems fair.

>>34623 (OP)

I'm out of the loop because the fandom is cancer. Whats this about zaush raping people? also women are objects and therefore can't be raped

>>36496

>Taking a retail things without paying

Strawman in the very first sentence. Into the trash it goes. Shoplifting a finite, physical item != copying a number

>>36838

He had sex with a girl and then she regretted it so it became rape. Short version:

>girl meets zaush, fangirls over him

>he's like "ey girl u want sum fuk?"

>she "doesn't really want to" but goes to his house alone anyways

>he starts kissing her and is like "ey girl u still want sum fuk?"

>she "doesn't really want to" but ends up having sex because she was "intimidated" by an asian manchild, just like he intimidated her to his house and intimidated her out of her clothes with his evil grabby intimidation hands

>months pass and she realizes she didn't actually want sum fuk

>regret hits her hard for being a slutty fangirl whore

>"how can i salvage my dignity...i'll tell everyone he raped me so it was like i was forced to make a terrible decision!!!"

And the rest as they say is history.

>>36556

Tap water made you gay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpiUfb7adPE&t=292

>>37651

>Taking Alex Jones seriously

Anyway, even if it was true for frogs, there's no evidence that it affects humans the same way.

>>39130

Hahaha, he raged out over THAT? Artists needs to accept that it's the fucking internet, these things can and will happen. Nobody should get mad over an edit.

also the evil art nazi sexyfur drama is hillarious

>>34664

Way to swallow that socialist load, anon. While I agree the anti-piracy tactics are archiac and were antiquated the moment the DMCA was released, those with copyrights and producing content still have a right to charge what they feel they deserve, and we as paying consumers have the right to agree or disagree with our wallets.

At least Russia and China acknowledge that it's a problem now, instead of just ignoring it.

>>34859

Pretty much this. The only reason this is an issue is due to some artfags not understanding how the internet works and throwing a tantrum when their shit is reposted. Artdecade figured this out years ago, and I bet makes bank on his monthly site and gets exposure from all the free shit he gives out.

>>35038

Lol this.

>>35273

>If I buy a shirt from the store, I deserve to be able to sell it if I want.

Yeah, people do this already. Try to buy a limted edition item you waited for at a retailer. Sold out? All stock is on eBay for twice the price. Artificial inflation, artificial shortages, someone getting twice as much for doing half the work. It's all bullshit that fucks over those who try to do things legit.

Your reason for piracy is flawed from how I perceive it. I would personally pay for every song I've ever downloaded before, but I'm not made of money, so the solution was to make a system where I can pay a nominal fee and listen to as much as I want, like what Spotify does.

The issue isn't that people don't want to pay, it's the unwillingness to get raped in the ass for the prices that are normally offered. A proper working Capitalist society would've figured this shit out years ago when it first became an issue, but too many bullshit regulations and cry baby groups get in the way of actual progression, and they slow everything to a crawl.

>>36496

I agreed with the I'm cheap part, then you dived into the full retard deep end.

>>37572

I lol'd

>>37651

Gotta love watching a man mentally break down on camera.

>>51089

Don't necro on a slow board, nigger.