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What is the appeal to being a furfag? Is it a way to escape reality with a fursona and pretend to be something your not so you can null the pain of real life? Is it your sexual deviancy of masterbaiting to anthropomorphic animals to get an ecstasy rush? Or is it the fandom you feel connected to and it gives you a purpose in life? Why anon, what makes you want to be a furry?
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▶ No.108539
It's "whatever floats your boat".
Some here are for friends, some to get sex, some to get AIDS or fuck animals with friends.
If you don't get the appeal, it's not for you, just like every other fetish.
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▶ No.108540>>108550
>>108538 (OP)
I'm not very entrenched amongst furfags yet, but I can already articulate what aspects I find alluring.
To start with the elephant in the room, the sex and intimacy is definitely an appeal. Not only do I like the porn, but furries as a group tend to have a much more relaxed and accepting approach to sexuality than the average normie does.
Furries in general are mostly an offshoot of the nerd population, whom I find myself to have the most in common with off-work, and all the common hobbies, struggles and insecurities that come with it are well understood by them and easy to connect through.
I like the anonymity aspect that comes with fursuiting and making a fursona, where you can develop an "alter ego" that can behave like the "real you", without fear of scrutiny against your public life, and without the halo effect coming into play. It's kind of like posting on the chans but IRL.
Furries as a community are very supportive of DIY and expressing yourself by your own means. Whether that means making your own art, music, fursuits, backstories for your characters, etc. The quality can of course be shaky, but it's the mentality that counts.
And last but not least, there's this carefree, infantile, playful aspect to furries. The capacity to enjoy little stupid everyday things, things that you wouldn't dare do IRL because you're an adult and adults shouldn't be having fun. All the *rawrs*, *boops* and *nuzzles*. It's a perfect antidote to toxic cynicism - and as cheesy as it sounds, after a day filled with cancer victims and drunk old retards at the hospital, it's a cure for my soul.
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▶ No.108542
I just find drawn animals sexually attractive, that is all.
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▶ No.108548
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▶ No.108550>>108591 >>109132
I like video games and cartoons with cute animal people in them. It's not just a fetish and I would still enjoy seeing cute animal people even if my dick were chopped off, but I do fap to them like everyone else in the "fandom". I probably don't have to explain why because if you draw anything with tits eventually it will turn somebody on. But for me it goes a little farther than that because as I've found I'm more attracted to "cuteness" than "hotness". I've very rarely fapped to 3DPD and when I fap to humans it tends to be to loli and overly-"feminine" traps. I'd rather see a drawing of cute fox boy being lovingly statutorily raped by his role model than a video of some random thot being fucked by her hundredth Tyrone while Rabbi Goldberg laughs behind the camera thinking about all the shekels he'll make on it.
>>108540
>but furries as a group tend to have a much more relaxed and accepting approach to sexuality than the average normie does
This, basically nobody sees the oversexualization as much of a bad thing. Some of it is probably because they don't know any better. I for one didn't understand that homosexuality was supposed to be wrong until it was too late. I was raised in a Christian family but we just didn't talk about it and when I found shit like pic related how could I refuse? I'm not completely gay or anything, I just don't care what genitals are there if it's cute. The fandom is also pretty autistic and autists see sex in a different way than normalfags besides just having all the weird fetishes.
>develop an "alter ego" that can behave like the "real you"
I still think fursuiting is a bit cringeworthy for obvious reasons, but I don't have anything against 2D fursonas. It's just like making an avatar in an MMO and self-inserting as it. Why just be the little girl when you can be the little girl with bunny ears?
>And last but not least, there's this carefree, infantile, playful aspect to furries
>it's a cure for my soul
That's how I feel about the furry chatrooms and such I've been to. Everyone's nice without it being too much of a hugbox, and they talk like they're still using AIM in 2004. It's cringeworthy to a lot of people but I find it endearing. I guess that's basically what I've been saying about the porn as well.
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▶ No.108566>>108619
>>108538 (OP)
Being part of a community where everyone isn't judgmental and everyone appreciates the same sort of things as you porn is also appealing
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▶ No.108567
>>108538 (OP)
i used to want to be a furry because i thought it would be a kind of carefree and cheerful place where i could find a not too NSFW niche to talk about videogames, computers, and abysmal self-insert story ideas with other people who write similar stuff. i read ED articles and stuff and basically concluded furries were the same kind of loser nerd as me, or would at the least be accepting enough to accept me.
i was too shy and awkward (not to mention boring) to ever fit in or get close to/make friends with anyone and after having my posts in threads and IRCs ignored in obvious ways for a few years i gave up and retired to imageboards where i don't have to have an identity. nobody ever told me to go away or otherwise said anything to actively exclude me from groups, but i wasn't included either. i did try to get into using discord a year or two ago, but the result was more or less the same.
but i suppose that's still the ideal i hold out for. to be a nice person in an open and creative community.
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▶ No.108591
>>108550
So what I'm understanding is that it is a way to escape the cold boring grim of reality and live an alter ego you never could in the real world. The escatcy, friendliness, and accepting community gives you a way to null the pain of real life and gives you a feeling of acceptance correct? A feeling of joy you could never have because there would consequences in the real world? I just want to correctly understand what your saying here.
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▶ No.108600
They're visually appealing
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▶ No.108619>>108776 >>108804
>>108566
>Being part of a community where everyone isn't judgmental
Are you serious?
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▶ No.108736>>109891
>>108538 (OP)
For me it's just a sex thing. Jacking off is so much more fun if there's anthropomorphic content.
Too many animal cartoon characters in the 90s while I was growing up skewed my perception of what an ideal attractive partner is supposed to be. Nala from the Lion King, Jenna from Balto, Gatomon & Renamon from Digimon. Lots of random little animes and disney movies featuring people turning into cute animals sometimes.
It all culminated in the feeling that human sex is just ok, but sex with animal traits thrown in is what's really arousing.
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▶ No.108776>>108787 >>108804
>>108619
I think he's being sarcastic.
There's no way you could spend more than 5 minutes on this board alone and not realize just how full of assholes the fandom is.
We've even got multiple resident politispergs that will hunt down any comment you make that conflicts with their autistic beliefs and hound you for it relentlessly.
If that's not considered judgemental then I don't know what is, and this is just a small group of fags on a shitty backwater imageboard, the larger sites' communities are a god damn nightmare.
Also to answer OP I'm just in it for the porn mostly, though I do like some non-sexual furry webcomics because the characters are usually cute and I'm a tremendous fruit that's way into cute shit.
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▶ No.108787>>108790 >>108791
>>108776
>There's no way you could spend more than 5 minutes on this board alone and not realize just how full of assholes the fandom is.
>this board represents the whole fandom
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▶ No.108790
>>108787
It's 10x worse on Twitter tho
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▶ No.108791
>>108787
Try reading the rest of the post you disingenuous cunt.
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▶ No.108804>>108809 >>108810 >>108811 >>108825 >>108827
>>108776
>>108619
There are assholes in every culture group, especially one the size of furry. Furry has reached the point overall where it has split into its own sub-cultures in various domains - people like to meme about furry being a fetish, but there actually exists a very avid SFW grouping of the fandom which includes minors.
That said, as a general group, furries are much more accepting than most other culture groups, and it's almost by design - the creativity and individuality in making a fursona and how it's a big part of the culture sort of forces a level of diversity and acceptance of said diversity at an early stage. There do exist plenty of bigoted assholes, but overall furries are very nice and approachable.
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▶ No.108805>>108816 >>108826
>>108538 (OP)
> be me, 15 in 2014
> recovering ponyfag
> been digging through e6 since I was younger for pony shit
> store all this in F:\pics
> same jump drive as school stuff
> accidentally navigate into the porn folder
> neighbor sees
> guessimafurrynow.png
> join furnet
> 70,000,000,000 IQ move: join #teenfurs
> immediately brigaded by horny guys in their 20s
> get groomed constantly for the next few weeks
> parents notice my grades slipping and im missing the bus more often
> they try to take stuff away from me
> im addicted so it only makes it worse
> fast forward a few years
> 18 now, it's 2016
> decide to run from home
> move in with rando
> get raped daily for about 26 days
> try to distance self from furry after dad comes to rescue me
> haven't been able to split away from furry
> at least i have good friends and a caring boyfriend now instead of an abusive piece of shit master
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▶ No.108809>>108815 >>108851
>>108804
Nigger, furries were tearing each other apart over stupid and petty shit when the internet was in its fledgling stages.
Just because you can act like the biggest degenerate on the planet on furry sites doesn't ean they're non-judgemental or even accepting of the shit you preach.
They simply are less likely to ban you for it, there's a difference between acceptance and tolerance.
I can tolerate a mosquito biting my arm, but I won't accept it and will readily apply bug spray the moment the opportunity arises.
It's cool that you feel like you belong in the fandom and all, but don't pretend any of this is any better than any other autistic group of fags on the internet, especially when the more popular members of the fandom can and will get people fired from their RL jobs or outright sue them over something as simple as a perceived slight.
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▶ No.108810>>108851
>>108804
>there actually exists a very avid SFW grouping of the fandom which includes minors.
This is so untrue it hurts.
Every furry sfw artist is either shitty, cringe and awkward and most likely does porn on the side or will soon and those who aren't are only orbited by those above and guys with Ms Paint tier fetish porn as their Twitter banner or avatar or whatever.
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▶ No.108811>>108851
>>108804
Children should have absolutely no part of this fandom.
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▶ No.108815
>>108809
I'll even dumb this concept down a bit for the more retarded childlike anons who clearly have fantastical delusions about how awesome and amazing the fandom is.
Pirates, back in the days when sailing was still a major aspect of civilization, all had their own codes they operated by which were generally less strict than established nations during the buccaneer era, but they would still fucking keelhaul your dumb ass over some petty and, often times, contradictory shit depending on who was captain.
Sure you could mutiny your sodomite angloshit captain and join the ranks of Captain Kidd, but Captain Kidd was only slightly (heavy emphasis on slightly) less likely to lash the skin from your bones for sodomy than whatever ponce you happened to be serving under beforehand.
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▶ No.108816>>108872
>>108805
What's awful is how common and accepted this is. Hope you have a good life
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▶ No.108825>>108851
>>108804
>furries are much more accepting than most other culture groups
this isn't really true
not explicitly rejecting people is not the same as accepting them. if you wanna join the railfan community all you have to do is like and talk about trains. if you want to join furry you've gotta design a fursona, pay someone to draw it (or have the talent to draw it to an acceptable level), and draw attention to yourself until you've forced your way into the community. furry isn't really about liking anthro animals, but about liking furry content. you want to know about the latest social actions of the big artists, not the specific street layouts of zootopia.
the flip side of being sufficiently broad to technically include anyone is being sufficiently vapid to make being included meaningless.
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▶ No.108826>>108872
>>108805
> get groomed constantly for the next few weeks
Fuck! This happens A LOT. Even happened to me. I know a Hispanic teenage furry who got raped and groomed by >20 yeah old dudes. I'm surprised that more aren't redpilled by it more than anything, it was so bad that many of my friends converted to Christianity.
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▶ No.108827>>108851
>>108804
>There do exist plenty of bigoted assholes, but overall furries are very nice and approachable.
Ahahahahaha
They definitely do not flinch when you commit sodomy or orgies, but they will flinch at nearly everything else that's normal behavior. Saying that you like cops will get you on their shit list.
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▶ No.108851>>108854 >>108875 >>108883
>>108809
Yes, in the past furry was much more of a niche thing, but times change, old man. There are many flavours of furry, now, mostly supported by individual domains on the Internet. The leftist reactionary Twittersphere is frequently getting referred to here but there are many others, including Tumblr which, surprisingly, has been trending less reactionary over time. The point that I'm making is of course there are assholes, and of course you won't be perfectly tolerated if you are maximum autismo, but picking out a bunch of culture groups at random you're most likely to be accepted and regarded warmly with furries.
>>108810
It's very true, and it still hurts. I'm sorry that your only frame of reference is explicitly drawn art, but there exists a huge fursuiting community (in both the west and the east) with no explicit sexuality meant to be displayed. Aside from that, there are plenty of communities that you can and should consider to be furry or furry-adjacent in which NSFW has no room - Warrior Cats RPing is, somehow, still a thing. Similarly, MLP was a largely SFW-focused fandom that a bunch of autistic neckbeards ruined by making it about porn.
>>108811
I was 14 when I discovered furry porn. It happens frequently when it comes to the Internet. If there existed no furry porn, I would still have my appreciation of anthropomorphic characters, just it might not be so sexualized for me. I think children in fursuits is pretty weird but through talking with my nieces and younger coworkers, while they were in school they happened to be part of a group of kids who knew about furries due to Tumblr, and very much wanted to participate in fursuiting. Just because it's only about porn for you doesn't mean it's that way for everyone else.
>>108825
This is a decent point, but I'm still making the case that it's only more accepting than other groups. I would argue that if you were to have the choice between Christians, Furries, MTG players etc you would have a higher chance of being accepted by furries despite a lack of attachment. Christians would push their religion on you because they must spread gospel. MTG players would likely snap as soon as you so much as looked at their $100 card.
Just because it's not perfectly accepting does not invalidate that it's very accepting. I've been able to drift between group to group without offending anyone or really being hated, though of course sometimes there exist core cliques within larger groups that are mostly impenetrable. That's just friend circles for you.
>>108827
This is literally only the Twittersphere. Even Tumblr has backed off of that stupid shit. That's how bad Twitter is right now.
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▶ No.108854
>>108851
The majority of furfaggots out there are some of the most judgmental assholes I've ever seen. Even more so than ebil Christian extremists they like to meme about. And then they have the audacity to go after the more laid-back members of the community for something as minor as having slightly different politics for them.
Luckily is it possible to carve out a niche for less uptight nonsense to be unnoticed by the would-be moral crusaders.
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▶ No.108857
>>108538 (OP)
I found furry porn at a very young age. My parents were having relationship issues which culminated in divorce in a few years time, leaving me with no guidance and a lot of time on my hands. It started tame and escalated over time, until all I wanted to do was porn on the computer. It sapped me of motivation, filled my head with foolish ideas, and degenerated me into a weak spineless beta male. I'm not a part of the Fandom now, but porn has been my only consistent source of dopamine. It's one of the few bad habits I have left, and it's held me back for most of my life.
To answer your question, it's escapism, and mindless hedonism. As much as I enjoy certain aspects to the art, the overall community is poorly self-managed and easily degenerates into insane levels of filth due to the brain's pleasure receptors needing greater and greater extremes to orgasm. Overall the furry community is a curse to me. I can't speak for everyone, but I believe the world would be a better place without it. It's a symptom of the decay of our civilization. I wish it wasn't, but that's how I feel.
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▶ No.108872>>108884
>>108816
Thankfully there are some circles which aim to improve this through more oversight.
>>108826
Yeah, I got thrown into a nihilistic mindset, nothing seemed to fit my "individuality" (which I later would realize had been shaped entirely by the influence of those around me) and it actually got me stuck in inceldom for a short time after a long string of shit abusive relationships.
But what I realized is that I was partially right in my nihilism: furry is pretty much jack shit at the end of the day. It's whatever the hell you want to make it. So fuck you, I'm a dragon haha. I've got my individuality and it was actually furry which helped me regain my confidence and individuality. It's a bunch of statements which have been sorta said forever, but there's good circles if you know where to go. What needs to happen is that these circles need to be made more accessible and made safer.
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▶ No.108875>>108879
>>108851
>14 year old kids wanting to fursuit because of Tumblr
Nigga that's goddamn awful. Even if they don't sexualize it, a huge amount of furries will. The fact that zoosadism, fucking animal torture groups openly exist in the fandom is proof that the average furry has no goddamn limits
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▶ No.108879>>108880
>>108875
>the average furry has no goddamn limits
Actually, the average furry is a Christian furry. Remember that things end up in the news only when they're uncommon.
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▶ No.108880
>>108879
I'm not talking about news. I'm talking about what I've seen and heard from furry community sites over the last decade.
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▶ No.108883>>109753
>>108851
>warrior cats and MLP
Phew, I actually thought you were hinting at a group who actually made original, professional-tier content.
Yeah, those two fall under shitty, cringe and awkward and doing porn on the side.
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▶ No.108884
>>108872
I'm nihilistic myself, so I know the feel
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▶ No.109083>>109091
8/fur is probably the least toxic of the furrysphere lmao
if that doesn't tell you how fucked it all is, I don't know what will
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▶ No.109091
>>109083
This place isn't toxic at all, rather comfy actually. It's just too slow
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▶ No.109099
>>108538 (OP)
I think wolf grils are kinda cute.
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▶ No.109132>>109659
>>108550
>I'm more attracted to "cuteness" than "hotness"
Same. It all started when I saw some cute pokemon images which evoked a certain feeling that is hard to describe and being a confused horny teenager I decided to masturbate to them. This led down a rabbit hole to all sorts of furry degeneracy, but as I got older I stopped caring about sex as much and discovered I actually enjoy cute/sfw furry content more and it's the main reason I still associate with the fandom now :3
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▶ No.109659>>109679
>>109132
Truly enlightened.
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▶ No.109679>>109748
>>109659
I want to take turns blasting cummies all over Klonoa and Tails faces
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▶ No.109707
the porn was good.
the community is shit, you guys are all absolutely terrible.
but now im used to being around degenerates,
thanks ya fuck heads.
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▶ No.109748>>109749
>>109679
Who the fuck doesn't
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▶ No.109749
>>109748
I'd be happy with them doing it to me instead
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▶ No.109753>>109905 >>109938
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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▶ No.109891
>>108538 (OP)
Furry sci-fi stories are an escape from our shity reality.
>>108736
Also this, however let’s be honest when people draw anthros they draw 10/10s, if they existed irl most would not be nearly as hot as their drawn.
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▶ No.109905
>>109753
Fuck, that was way funnier than it had any right to be.
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▶ No.109938
>>109753
It's ironic how cringy this rant is.
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▶ No.109985>>109995
I see a beast or monster and I see something that is wild, feral, and free. I, too, desire to be such. I do not feel free as a human, I feel I was born a slave to live the life of a slave even if I ascend any and all social and economic ladders. I feel chained to life, to be forced to live out this mundane existence as if paying off some karmic debt that I am no longer aware of for sins I committed in aeons past.
I envy animals. They live short lives, yes, but they are not bogged down by concerns of economic woes or miniscule social conflict exploded without reason. They just are. They act, they hunt, they prowl, they wander. Humans are slaves to the Order they so desire to save them from nature's grasp so they can live in relative safety to old ages where their bodies become functionless from age.
I don't want that. I wanted to be wild and free, instead I am born to the shackles of longevity in a shell that will live decades longer than it has to while only partially emulating that behavior of animals I so desire.
The worst part is that I was also granted the mind to recognize my enslavement. I am a a muzzled, chained beast that will never sleep under the stars or leap from the trees. Knowing this, makes this place feel like an obscure hell that's designed either to break or test my mind as I watch myself age every year with the muzzle still bound tight to my head. Knowing I will die a caged animal, and knowing that no matter what I do in this life "Order" will prevent me from being free.
So, yes, this is my escapism. As I look through the bars of my cage, I imagine what it is like to run through the fields, hunt my own prey, and fuck my battle-won mates. It's the best I can do in this strict, yet safe, life.
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▶ No.109995>>109997 >>110002 >>110008
>>109985
Many animals in the wild have pretty shitty inconsequential lives though. Not the top dogs, but the tier below that. You break your leg and you're as good as dead.
>that will never sleep under the stars or leap from the trees.
What's stopping you?
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▶ No.109997>>110002 >>110008
>>109995
Farm/dosmesticated animals are the only ones that have good lives. The other animals endlessly search for food and try to survive. It's hell to be honest.
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▶ No.110002>>110030
>>109995
>>109997
Humans have inconsequential lives.
80 years of slaving away for 8+ hours a day at some job you hate all the while pretending you're not and that your mundane life is just like some celebrity's own mundane, irrelevant life, or basking in the narcissistic thought that yours is beneficial to the whole of your kind.
You take 20 years to mature, only to spend the next 60 fixing the mess your parents left you in. Because despite boasting all this fucking brain power and our sense of superiority, it appears that the only use anyone makes of it is planning how to fuck over the next passerby, or even your own kin.
There is literally nothing better in being born a human being, and you realize too late you're just as miserable as some poor beast with a fractured limb. Except that you get to live another day of misery, stuck in a body that grew too weak and physically unfit to be able to just return it to fend for itself in the wild overnight.
We make up and strive to achieve abstract goals and dreams and it's all just an excuse to pretend we aren't miserable prisoners of a life that works even against those goals, despite tooting our horn so much about how comfortable we supposedly are.
And just like all living beings on this planet, our only goal at the end of the day is to eat, sleep and fuck.
Which is why the fursonas being depicted living just as mundane of a life as any other miserable human wretch are missing the fucking point completely
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▶ No.110008>>110011 >>110030
>>109995
>>109997
In your (probably) 30 ish years of living, can you say you've ever actually lived? Have you ever fought for survival that isn't just trying to work up some arbitrary number of currency? Living as a human is safe, secure, and long but that is also just the problem. We've traded adventure for hotels, the hunt for groceries, and passion for money. This really isn't living, if you think about it. Call me a traditional cynic, but all of this separation from the natural world backpedals on our existence as advanced animals.
And here you say that the versions of animals that we share our enslaved life with are the best kind. I say they are the most restricted. The blinds are just so far on our eyes that we see an encaged life as being free. Free of pain and suffering, yet also free of character and definition.
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▶ No.110011
>>110008
>Free of pain and suffering
It actually isn't free of those.
They just take on a different form than simply starving or physically hurting, thanks to our oh so great intelligence granting us evil scheming abilities.
And then, those aren't precluded either.
It's all a big, fat, fucking lie.
>all of this separation from the natural world backpedals on our existence as advanced animals.
If you think about it, it's the main theme of Avatar, and why it grossed $3 billion at the box office. At least it appears that people are indeed aware of it.
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▶ No.110013>>110014
You both need to go outside and get a new frame of mind. Life's pretty good when you're not trapped in the need to wail on the Internet.
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▶ No.110014>>110017
>>110013
Golly gee you're so smart, why didn't I think of that first?
Oh right, because it's a lie and people will fuck you over as soon as they see an opening anywhere.
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▶ No.110017>>110020 >>110026 >>110028
>>110014
It's not a lie at all. You guys are talking about the enlightened sense of detachment from modern society and how everyone's a slave to their own miserable desires and how you yearn to be above it, and yet right there in your response you clearly care about the fact that people will take advantage of you in some inconsequential way. What's it matter if people "fuck you over" if you're above the carnal sins of mankind? Moderate inconveniences are nothing more than that, and if someone is so lost as the poor beast they are... What's it to you?
If you want to live a life out in the wild, then you're more than welcome to go. You could survive for quite a long time if you just kept a single bit of plastic with about $1,000 on it - that would cover your needs for food during the harsher months for probably your entire life, so long as you were frugal. But how's it actually going to be any different? You give up your job so that you can go out and spend hours of your day slaving away making an encampment to protect you from the rain, sleet, snow, and if at all possible the heat, foraging for food, and at the end of the day you've just traded security away to have less recreational activity. What're you gonna do out there, stare at the stars and wonder about space? Are you going to come up with a new mathematical theorem? You've just traded one type of slavery for another, because you're under the frame of mind of viewing how we're chained to existence as slavery itself.
Maybe you'll be happier if someone put you on a leash and fed you dry food from a dog bowl.
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▶ No.110020
>>110017
It's better to be consciously aware of your demise rather than be lied to and then backstabbed and left for dead.
Guess which of the two happens in the wild and which one happens in the soooo evolved human society.
You're right, it's two different types of slavery, except that one doesn't sell itself as better than the other or pretend it's not slavery until you finally realize it is too late, the hard way.
>What's it matter if people "fuck you over" if you're above the carnal sins of mankind?
Duh, because everyone of us had dreams and desires which were shattered once reality hit us. It's not like we were born detached from society, we were born eager to pursue our own happiness and then when it was time to do so life simply said "no". And when asked why, the answer was "I simply hate you"
<Oh, sorry, your parents don't agree with your dreams, guess you'll have to find other ones more suitable
<Oh, sorry, your parents shoot heroin and destroyed their savings, guess you'll have to relinquish your salary to feed them and their drug use and due to the lack of proper guidance once you realize on your own they weren't your responsibility it will be too late to finally live your life.
<Oh, sorry, you decided to pursue your own happiness but you're stuck trying to survive because you're alone.
<Oh, sorry, your peers think you're retarded because getting a shoutout from a twitch thot isn't the height of your existence, so I guess you won't get any help from them.
<Oh, sorry, your other peers think you're a nazi because your goal in life isn't complaining about Trump on Twitter, so I guess you won't be able to count on them either.
<Oh, you managed to achieve what you wanted despite all? Sorry, let me introduce you to literally fucking everyone you ever met who is now jealous of you and who will never validate your feelings and always berate you for daring to complain about any shit that happens or happened in your life, because they spent their miserable lives trying to make you feel as miserable as them but failed to do so and you rose higher than them.
Oh but we can come up with mathematical theorems, at least. Such a great consolation.
And I haven't even covered those who were drafted into the army at 18 to fight and die in a war they never wanted nor started, nor those who get physically locked into a basement for 20+ years by psychopathic parents.
>Maybe you'll be happier if someone put you on a leash and fed you dry food from a dog bowl.
Think about it, it's probably the very reason why that's even a thing.
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▶ No.110026>>110102
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>>110017
You sound very unfamiliar with traditional cynic philosophy. All I'm saying is the course of human society does not coincide with nature. By doing so, we are doing ourselves a disservice.
I wouldn't mind doing what you said, but in order to do so I'd have to buy my own land. Once again to do anything, even to be one with nature, requires someone to chase their tail.
https://www.iep.utm.edu/cynics/
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▶ No.110028>>110102
>>110017
You're such a pretentious cunt m8
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▶ No.110030>>110032
>>110002
It's not about it being mundane, it's about being secure and not being concerned about struggling to survive every single day. A wild animal's life is mundane as well, the average day consists of hunting some food and then you loaf around in a shadow and sleep. Lather rinse repeat. If you want a human life that's full of danger and fighting for daily survival, I invite you to central Africa. Oh wait you won't go, because whining about it on the internet is just too comfy.
>80 years of slaving away for 8+ hours a day at some job you hate
Being a wagie in a cubicle isn't the only way to live. You could start your own business. Or live in a shed and do art for a living. Build up a farm somewhere and take care of plants and animals. Or become a homeless tramp that's on the road constantly. If you view your job as slavery, it's because you're either too stubborn to look for an alternative or because it's not quite as bad as you say.
>Except that you get to live another day of misery, stuck in a body that grew too weak and physically unfit to be able to just return it to fend for itself in the wild overnight.
While actual hunting without permit is largely illegal, why not go regain that fitness? Run, lift heavy things, eat better, go study your local wildlife. Not all at once, because you might burn out quick. Is it too difficult? Boring? Frustrating? But it's what you want, so...
>We make up and strive to achieve abstract goals and dreams
More or less, everything in life is (or more accurately *might* be) abstract to a degree. Our only knowledge of life comes through your senses and your brain. Can we trust our brains to process the outside world the same way that every other brain does?
Abstraction and human mental constructs are part of reality too from a certain point of view. They influence our decisions, emotions, behavior. People kill themselves over inappropriate pictures of religious figures. If that's not real, what is?
>And just like all living beings on this planet, our only goal at the end of the day is to eat, sleep and fuck.
That's not even a goal, that's just a naive assumption of a goal. My current goal is to make music.
>>110008
>Have you ever fought for survival that isn't just trying to work up some arbitrary number of currency?
That's not "living the life", that's terror, and there are job occupations that deal with it on a regular basis if you're interested.
>adventure for hotels
Camp outside.
>hunt for groceries
I'll give you this one, hunting is restricted and foraging options are getting limited, considering urban proliferation. But that's more of a consequence of world overpopulation. Or you could go "forage" dustbins and hunt rats for food, kek
>passion for money
Fighting daily for survival isn't passionate, it's desperate. Passion grows when the hard times are over.
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▶ No.110032>>110033
>>110030
>Passion grows when the hard times are over.
It's cute that you think everyone's hard times must be over, like yours, or that people aren't forced daily into fighting for survival.
That, or you're just retarded, because I really don't see another reason why you would write that whole post in response.
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▶ No.110033>>110035
>>110032
It's fascinating how you tl;dr'd the whole post not after reading the first, but the last line.
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▶ No.110035>>110043
>>110033
Which means I actually read it all and managed to sift through the same regurgitated bullshit arguments born out of failing at reading comprehension.
That's already more work than it was worth.
You're trying to sell me the idea that life is like My Little Pony. I'm telling you that for a shitton of people it's not and isn't any better than fending for yourself in the wild just because we can shitpost on Twitter, and you tell me to go to Africa. Over and over again like a fucking broken record.
What's next? We landed on the moon look how great we are? Yeah, great, literally only because the US needed to show the USSR they were the toughest kid on the block.
It's all so tiresome.
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▶ No.110043>>110045
>>110035
Or you read the post backwards which is exactly the way you yourself seem to be. So ultimately your complaint isn't that we have it too safe, but that we have it too hard? I still don't see how your response contradicts the "Passion grows when the hard times are over" quote. According to you my idea of life is like My Little Pony, yet your idea of how wild fauna actually lives seems taken straight from a Disney cartoon.
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▶ No.110045>>110047
>>110043
My complaint has always been that despite all this horn-tooting about our wits and comforts, most people's lives amount to little more than an endless, pointless grind. For those, the hard times are never over. What is even their purpose in life? Yet, they're stuck and can't do anything else.
Would living in the woods be harder? Yes, just like building your own shelter is harder than buying one someone else built. But doing the former is a thousand times more satisfactory than the latter. Yet, you can't just go pick a spot of land and build a house on it if all you've ever done and what you're currently doing to survive in the cycle never had anything to do with construction. And because the cycle literally takes up 100% of your time, you can't just go educate yourself whenever you want. So much for living safe and free lives.
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▶ No.110047>>110049
>>110045
>For those, the hard times are never over. What is even their purpose in life? Yet, they're stuck and can't do anything else.
It is up to those people to decide what they want out of life. Perhaps they're too lazy or complacent to pursue what they truly desire. Or they might be genuinely comfortable with their grind. Either way, "most people" aren't individuals to look up to, but that means nothing to you or me.
>Would living in the woods be harder? Yes, just like building your own shelter is harder than buying one someone else built. But doing the former is a thousand times more satisfactory than the latter. Yet, you can't just go pick a spot of land and build a house on it if all you've ever done and what you're currently doing to survive in the cycle never had anything to do with construction
It's never too late to learn.
>And because the cycle literally takes up 100% of your time
Lies. Your very presence here disproves this.
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▶ No.110049
>>110047
>Perhaps they're too lazy or complacent to pursue what they truly desire.
Or perhaps they were fucked over hard by life and physically can't.
Not that a shitton aren't just lazy fucks, but those who literally can't, even with all the willpower in the world do exist.
>Lies. Your very presence here disproves this.
I argue that a moment of rest is part of the cycle. Besides, I have yet to get burdened with the full package of responsibilities of life (i.e. a family).
And, this isn't about me.
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▶ No.110063
l8 to the party but here goes: For me it's simply the first thing that offered a solution to a feeling I've had since I was a small child.
It's not exactly a self image issue, Since I never really felt like I was very ugly, But I've narrowed it down to human faces. I feel fairly accepting of the human body, but human faces feel... I don't know, Wrong? I guess?
I've felt this way in one form or another for as long as I can remember, Going back to when I was 4 years old and started to really like skulls for some reason.
I really don't know how to describe it, It's not like I don't recognize a human face as my own species, That's hardwired into us as humans, But there's just something that doesn't feel quite right to me.
In comes 11 year old me watching random shit on youtube as kids do now, And he finds some dumb furry animation. Human(ish) body with a not human head, And that blew my little mind.
Did I mention puberty was beginning to hit me around that time? Yeah that's probably why I can pretty much only get off to animal people.
Truly I believe it was just the first thing that I found that had everything I liked about being human without the one thing I really didn't. Had cyborgs with full face masks come to my attention sooner maybe I'd have been really into cyberpunk instead, But nah some dumb probably ms paint animation of a sparkledog is what got me.
Obviously not everyone is like me, But that's my origin story anyways. I guess TL;DR is that it's just really nice to think about normal human life but with cute animal heads.
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▶ No.110102
>>110028
Thanks! I wasn't really arguing for the sake of changing anyone's mind, as given the nature of this conversation I don't realistically expect anyone's minds to be changed simply by words on the Internet. All I'm saying is that there's happiness in life and worth in pursuing that happiness, but not many take very kindly to the insinuation that life isn't somehow meaningless.
>>110026
I'm somewhat familiar with it, but as I was saying above I didn't particularly feel like engaging the idea wholly in good faith. There is an interesting thought contained within the thought that human society would best coincide with nature, but I'm more familiar with the beliefs of anarchoprimitivism, which from most of what I read outright argues that society itself is a given failure given its propensity to trend towards civilization which itself is the toxic blight that inequality spreads.
I have personal disagreements with those sentiments but I've not read that much into it aside from a few things Derrick Jensen has wrote.
Also worth noting, I was less directing it at you and more the other guy, who had an actual fucking meltdown lmao.
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