/fur/ - Furry

because if you're going out seeking attention by dragging your fetish to the public, I'd wager that being more popular than the other guy doing the same thing is pretty important

Because capitalist society has taught NPCs to appreciate consumption more than appreciate actual hobbies. So when NPCs (a type of normalfag) become furries, rather than appreciate traditional furry activities (roleplay, crafting, IRC and MUCKs, porn) they swarm around people who have money and spend money.

>>106691

Couldn't be more true. Not to mention that furries have become literal cash cows now and some people are making a fortune out of that. fek for example, makes around 25000 dollars a month making furry smut games, and you can see furry porn YCHs sell for thousands of dollars despite the fact that they are highly regrettable purchases.

>>106695

>>106691

no no no if they like it and the content creators are paid fairly then what's the harm??? it's their money and they can do what they want with it?? like really it's none of your business just ignore things you don't like!! furry would be so boring if it was puritan like you people want UwU just deal with it.

it is a fast emerging consequence of identities being formed around consumption that no consumption decision can be or should be questioned or criticised on the grounds of taste, quality, or negative social impacts, and that on a subconscious if not yet social level consumption decisions are taking on an importance as psychologically important as nationality or gender. i paid, therefore i am.

>>106695

>making furry smut games

If only he actually made the games there would be nothing wrong with that.

But nope, let's keep being a lone dev and keep the game in a 5-year long dev hell to milk the furry cash cow as much as possible.

>>106655

I have no idea why Mojira's costume is so adored. It's cute and all, but I've seen way more interesting fursuits.

>>106691

God I miss MUCKs. It used to be so much fun, finding some obscure MUCK in some backwater website that had a thriving community. Everything really does seem to be about garish "stuff" you buy and popular furs now.

This fandom is all about popularity and "social status"

it's why furfags spend 5 thousand dollars on a commission from miles-df, just because it means their sparkledog murrsona will be seen by hundreds of thousands of people and they will get more attention as a result

>>106655

Subculture tends to breed tribalism, tribalism invites cults of personality. All fandoms have this happen and despite its malignancy it's rarely fatal. Attacks on the figureheads intensify devotees so it only really matters if you care- I personally don't give a fuck about any of them, it's very rewarding.

>>106761

I welcome cults of personalities, if only the personalities weren't so abrasive and insufferable and they weren't so shit at doing the job they're demanding money for.

Seriously, think about it.

Why can't we worship talented, skilled artists with friendly, caring and lovable personalities instead of the fucking autistic messes we have???

>>106697

Right on the mark. This guy goes into that in more detail with this vid and others.

https://youtu.be/X9Lf1GcG5M4

>>106772

>can't even embed

go back to cuckchan or lurk 7 years

>>106655

The nigger redefinition of "clout" is not good.

>>106745

>God I miss MUCKs. It used to be so much fun

They're still fun. You don't have to miss them.

There are both popular and niche ones too, depending on what you want. Though I'd say even the most popular ones, with multiple hundreds of users, are now a niche when compared to other furry media.

>>106746

>This fandom is all about popularity and "social status"

Sadly, since that's what normalfags want. A clone of the celebrity-worshiping society they already live in. They worship politicians, the rich, entertainers, and religious figures. Why not worship other idols, too?

>>106761

>Subculture tends to breed tribalism

>All fandoms have this happen

Not necessarily. In normie-free subcultures, like the leather (BDSM) subculture, I haven't seen tribalism like I see in local (normie-filled) furry communities. Notably, furry isn't a fandom, it's a subculture, as it is not about being a fan to anything external to itself. The importance of being a Lion King fan to be a furry faded away decades ago.

>>106776

Not him, but I prefer links I can click on.

Really, fixing furry means making furry unappealing to normalfags. The more public you can make the ``negative'' aspects of furry (free love, godlessness, BDSM, creativity, crafting, anti-consumerism) the less likely it will be that new christian furries will join.

Strike your own path. Unironically just b urself.

>>106765

Because in the extremely rare cases where someone like that happens along they're usually driven away by autistic and spiteful assholes that throw tantrums if the artist doesn't acknowledge every message they send.

If it's not furfag artists being tremendous piles of neurotic spergotry, then the fans themselves are more than willing to fill in that void with their own cancer.

>>106765

people can only disappoint you in the long run

the problem with a cult of personality is that it doesn't always collapse the minute the personality violates one of the tenets that made it worth forming in the first place.

indeed, creating a cult of personality may be the thing that turns a nice person into a cunt.

>>106790

>free love, godlessness, BDSM

these sell well though. the angry stern father figure who expects you to tuck your shirt in and keep it in your pants is long dead and he has been replaced by Aphrodite. the dominant command of society today is not to restrain yourself, but to enjoy and freely express yourself. the 1980s did the worst thing you could possibly do to the radicals of the 1960s: accepted many of their demands, albeit on different terms. free love, provided you've bought the right fetishwear...

>creativity, crafting

granted, but these are too easy to subsume into 'supporting creators' unless you make personal creations (at the very least ideas) a barrier to entry

>anti-consumerism

furry is one of the most consumerist fandoms there is. you would have to create a notable anti-consumerist undercurrent, and emphasise that buying things from individuals is just as consumerist as buying them from corporations. (perhaps worse: at least corporations are faceless. you don't pervert your social relationship with ronald mcdonald by buying burgers.)

i'm only really stating disagreement but i don't disagree with you entirely (i especially agree about furry as a subculture, not a fandom), i just think it's important not to underestimate the scale of the problems we face.

>>106794

>the dominant command of society today is not to restrain yourself, but to enjoy and freely express yourself

I don't feel this is true in the USA. I live in a blue state, and even here, sex is seen as a bad thing. The USA is still a Christian nation. Both US parties are the same. SJWs are just a type of puritan. The people in the US who believe in any form of freedom don't do so in public.

Not a single of the furry groups in my local area is pro-sex or pro-freedom, though they manifest their beliefs in different ways.

The idea what you can just be yourself and enjoy the pursuit of happiness is merely a convenient lie. People say it, but fewer people actually believe it, and it's true for nearly no one. Adolf Hitler claimed that perhaps, if you make such a huge lie, no one will believe it's a lie. And that's what life is like in most of the world now.

>granted, but these are too easy to subsume into 'supporting creators' unless you make personal creations (at the very least ideas) a barrier to entry

>unless you make personal creations (at the very least ideas) a barrier to entry

That's the idea. People who don't have personal ideas and opinions should be considered disgusting. Whether that means mocking them until they leave, or trying to help them have a brain, either way works.

You are right though that ideas are creations. What is literature, but ideas written down? Even posts on this very board can be personal creations.

And when people write posts disagreeing with me, those people are far more honorable than the person too boring to even have or write an idea.

While quality is more important than quantity, I think kicking out idlers and lurkers might be a good idea for many furry communities.

>furry is one of the most consumerist fandoms there is

Right now it is, but it isn't inherently so. Furry on Usenet, furry on IRC, furry on MUCKs, in all those places, people put more value on sharing ideas than on money spent.

>emphasise that buying things from individuals is just as consumerist as buying them from corporations

I entirely agree.

>you don't pervert your social relationship with ronald mcdonald by buying burgers

That's true. I don't understand how two people who consider each other to be friends can expect compensation or to be paid back for favors. If you're truly a friend with someone, won't you help them out for free? And you might not expect anything in return, but realistically, they'd begin helping you out for free, too.

In that way, I'd expect more furries to do their creative contributions for free. Maybe not all of their contributions, but a significant portion. But some artists don't make a single drawing if it's not for money, and those people should be ridiculed. And while drawing definitely takes time and effort, what is an artist who doesn't even draw his own ideas and characters sometimes?

>i just think it's important not to underestimate the scale of the problems we face

True that.

fursuit makes you better then any furry who doesnt have one instantly, its like having a car vs someone who walks to work, yeah walking is free and your in better shape but the second you get a car you realized the effort you put in was stupid.

>>106790

do you not have a middle mouse button?

>>106802

then you realize insurance, gas and maintenance add up to a shitton on top of you not getting any exercise anymore, and then you keep getting stuck in the rush hour traffic all the time so walking to work turns out being actually faster.

>>106865

sure you dont work anyways

>>106865

also you must of bought a car or dont know how to turn a wrench.

>>106864

hahah scroll...

did you know Maj has a telegram.

its @ZamperPaws

>>107005

Literally who?

>>107009

the person in ops picture a super gay faggot thats a secret murrsuiter and is SFW but we all know why hes popular, sex.

>>107010

tbh gatekeeping can make furry worse instead of better

if the term was diluted to the point liking mickey mouse was generally agreed to be furry, so basically all of humanity was included because hey you talk to your dog that's anthropomorphising him, the average quality of the fandom would be greatly improved. conversely, if you had so much gatekeeping so people had to create their own stuff to be members, the average quality would be improved. As it stands, with the gate half open, you have the ideal situation for the market to encroach. You need certain things to pass gatekeeping - a fursona, some art, etc - and you can buy these things alongside other merchandise to show you're part of the in group - but there's no real quality control. All you need is cash on entry.

If corporations moved in it could honestly be a good thing for furry. If prices fell thanks to mass production, especially on fursuits, everyone could take a bash at customising them without fearing losing a $3000 investment. That would mean more creativity and less power to a small clique of expensive artisan creators. Sadly I don't think that's likely. More likely we'll either see building powerbases of noteworthy individuals, or corporations coming in and allying themselves with groups of the current elite in the fandom.