/fur/ - Furry★

>>105731 (OP)

>and only seems to be growing

Like a tumor?

>>105732

>>105731 (OP)

When it's normalized and trending. Thankfully, sexual degeneracy is the last thing that, at least where I live, is still frowned upon.

Furry is a Meme in the Dawkins scene. It'll evolve over time, but it will persist /hard/ because Gay cripples need those new generations to groom in.

Perhaps over the decades it'll by chance become irrelevant from being close to another newer self-perpetuating social Meme and become small-time like the Amish when compared to other Christian fellowships. I give the "murrsuits to get your dick wet and stick" has maybe 20 years left in it as the predominate "Furry", though.

>>105731 (OP)

never, furry is far too profitable to let die and is leading the way in the commercialisation of hobbies. it's also got disproportionate numbers of members working in the two key strands of the modern world: entertainment, and technology.

It's still alive? Never seems to be any fresh blood unless it's ignorant kids who don't know what they're getting in to. It used to be "cool," now it just exists.

>>105744

It's growing substantially in latin america

For better or worse it will endure, in a hundred years when humanity races for the stars, there'll be a colony ship of exclusively furry settlers who will found a new home for the fandom, with gene clinics for anthro augmentation being one of the first constructions

I see it growing in the 2020s actually. That will be the decade we get some good furry animation and video games developed. Furry is eternal as it's not based around any show like MLP. It's based on a concept, an internal attraction to humanoid animal people. I see it always having members as many people will always has this strange unexplained attraction to it.

>>105793

>That will be the decade we get some good furry animation and video games developed.

No it won't. And there'll never be one.

>It's based on a concept, an internal attraction to humanoid animal people.

Yes, but in an unhealthy way.

The core issue is that furries need to stop throwing money at people just because they give them attention on Twitter and start throwing it at skilled artists instead. They never will, because furries are too fucking autistic to pass on the narcissistic attention-seeking behavior in exchange for true quality content. The personality required to become actually good enough to produce quality stuff is at the polar opposite of the one the average furry is attracted to and/or aspires to be.

And it's been proven time and time again that anyone who starts getting a sizable funding from furries will always and exclusively line their own pockets with it. The material funds are already flowing, they just keep going into the wrong hands because... well because furries are fucking stupid.

Even if they weren't, good luck finding someone who has the skills and is willing to put up with the nasty fetishes.

Saying that there will be "quality furry animations and video games" is thinly veiled way of saying "furries will stop being autistic perverts and start getting into healthy, sfw worldbuilding and study art, anatomy and character design in mass", since the latter is required in order for the former to happen.

It won't happen, it never will. There only will be some one-of-a-kind things which coincidentally appeal to furries popping up from time to time, like there are already, which furries will prey upon and incorporate into their perversions, as usual.

So unless you don't have any fucking standards and you're one of the cretins who considers Jasonafex an animator, "quality" furry stuff literally cannot exist without restructuring the very core of what makes furry what it is.

>>105804

>The core issue is that furries need to stop throwing money at people just because they give them attention on Twitter and start throwing it at skilled artists instead

This wouldn't actually help. Even if furries gave money to skilled artists, the way market forces work is basically that artists are paid to produce what the audience wants. That's a subtle inversion from how it used to work in the TV era, and how it needs to work for quality media to be produced: Artists produce quality work, then audiences pay money for it. Obviously this method also produced a lot of crap nobody wanted, so the way things are done now intuitively sounds preferable but it breaks a certain element of creativity and intrusiveness that comes with something genuinely new.

If you want the general idea summarised, there's the Ford quote: "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." You can't rely on the market to tell you how to innovate. You have to innovate, then present that to the market.

More likely than something breaking through and surprising us is that the definition of quality shifts. What we definitely will see going forward is higher and higher production value furry stuff. If the corporations were to move in and push out our current crop of pygmy tribe leaders, there would be much to celebrate. Sadly the corporate culture of any company that does so will probably have been colonised by furry, rather than itself colonising it.

>>105805

>This wouldn't actually help.

Uh, yes it would.

Actually, it's exactly what you're saying.

Furry is a relatively small, isolated and self-managed market. There aren't corporations, families, mafia or whatever other intertwined interests behind it, it's just a bunch of people with a common interest. As such, the people can literally dictate what furry should be. If they wanted it to be a market where skilled artists are paid to produce quality content, there's nothing that would realistically impede that. But the truth is that they don't want that, because furries are damaged fucking autists who seek the attention of narcissistic fucks who pretend to be their friends on the internet under the guise of being "artists" drawing their fagsona fantasies. Neither give a shit about actually being artists, let alone good ones. It's all about the attention and the narcissistic masturbation that comes with it.

Artists who are worthy of that title are literally incompatible with this mechanism. The journey of self improvement, especially as an artist, is long and difficult and cannot, ever, in any case, beyond the shadow of a doubt be accomplished without casting aside your ego and any and all attention-seeking behavior for the purpose of instant fulfillment. Good artists are forever putting their own knowledge to the test, take criticism, doubting what they know and wondering how they can improve. This creates all sorts of other issues when it's taken too far and good artists fall victim to excessive self-criticism and lose confidence.

We've got plenty of furries slapping Patreon links on their fridge drawings, not to mention the plethora of talentless popufurs. Just like narcissists are literally incapable of feeling empathy, furries are incapable of grasping the concept of self-improvement and taking criticism.

And being an artist is all about self-improvement and taking criticism.

So, no. Skilled artists will go where they're rewarded and the furry fandom isn't such a place, despite being fully in its power to be such.

TL;DR furries can decide to reward skilled artists but they don't and never will because they're retarded and only care about attention

The "increase in production value" is indeed true, but that's because the generation that grew up dreaming of being digital artists is only now becoming of age to enter the workforce. They were exposed to the tools early and those tools became better and better over the years. The skill floor has been lowered considerably, but the skill ceiling is higher than ever.

>>105731 (OP)

I feel it's starting to stagnate, everything's starting to feel samey maybe sometime in the future it will be semi-accepted by the norm but who knows

>>105816

Low effort. Go home normie

>>105736

This.

It's not the furry fandom that will die. It will be porn culture at large. In another 8 years the entire internet will be like YouTube rewind. Fun, boring SFW hipsters all smiling and dabbing while playing obnoxious stream-worthy games.

>>105815

I started drawfagging because I figured drawing furshit would be easy money. Over time I came to the realization that the amount you make almost exclusively relies on your popularity and how much you're capable of pandering to those guys, as well as how many shitty scribbles a day you can put out. The idea of having to pretend to be interested in their inane bullshit 24/7 is nauseating to me. Makes me think I made a mistake but I really don't have any other avenue to go down, maybe regular nonfurry shit but that market's even more saturated.

Anyway, when I finish a drawing I almost always detest myself for not having had the ability to make it better than it turned out. Worse is when I'm proud of, and I see another artist post something exponentially better that probably took a small fraction of the time I took. Even worse is seeing some low effort/skill garbage get dozens of times the recognition that my own stuff gets, being sold for more than I'd think to charge for my own shit. I call myself inadequate regularly but that's hard to believe when I see this lazy and very lucrative shit pop up around me every day that I'm missing out on (maybe not due to inadequacy, but an ignorance of how easy things really are and an autistic refusal to stop caring so much about how the tiny incosequential details look, as if the average consumer gives a fuck). Then again, I say all this shit but of course I don't even consider myself good enough to have ever taken commissions

I alternate between a state of hatred toward myself and my ability, and a state where I repeat to myself that I'm going to become a god and I have a bright future ahead of me. Obviously it's an ego problem, but it stems from wanting to make money more than any desire to be paid attention to. Typing this post up in itself feels like I'm stroking my ego.

Anyway your post gave me some clarity, so thanks for that.

>>105823

wrong.

sex sells and nothing trumps the market.

>>105828

>nothing Trumps the market

Heh.

>>105826

artists have always been more or less prostitutes-to-the-rich all through out history, catering is the key to gain. McDonalds didn't become successful by making burgers for themselves, they became successful by making something consumable, affordable, and fast, and knowing business practice. Praise of mediocre art is a double edged sword; I can understand the frustration of seeing something gain more success than you believe it deserves, but it should also bring hope and relief. Hope, because you know can become appreciated if you find the right market, and relief, because its proof you don't have to be a Michelangelo to be appreciated.

As for the frustration about personal quality levels, and the comparison game, just know that it never *ever* ends. There are always scale-of-magnitudes bigger fish out there that will make you feel like throwing your tablet at the wall and quitting forever. (Jim jung Gi, and Yutaka Nakamura for example.) Concerns about Pecking order are often a result of being insincere about your passions; when you lack the satisfaction from the art itself, you seek gratification from any numerical or hard-signs that can indicate to you whether you should be happy or not, and due to the impossibility of being *the* singular top, you will never escape the opportunity to dwell over your shortcomings (which are only crystal clear because you took your eyes off sincerely enjoying the work in the first place.)

ALSO; the power of popularity is undeniable, but definitely not the end all be all. Business model are *killer* important, and so is niche selection, and medium choice.

simplified example;

Artist A - 10k followers, people will pay $500 for their paintings, they take two weeks to painstakingly create the titties of the heavens. Ends up making about 1k/month; able to scrape by on rent and living, not a whole lot else.

Artist B - 2k followers, operates on snack-art; $30 for 3 sketches, some are good some are crap, but look at that bargain price! ArtistB streams daily, like a job, only takes 10min a sketch because they're super simple, everyone likes getting fed. Does 8 sketch pages in 8 hours, makes $240 a day, works mon-fri, gets $1200 a week just by quick scribbles, is posting constantly, always fresh and recent in the eye of the public.

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>>105804

>There never will be good furry animation/games

There most certainly will be at this rate, the amount of sprouting animators and game teams in the last not-even-decade alone should be a massive foreshadowing of what's to come in the next few... unless you want to evoke ever-moving goalposts, in a No-Tue-Scottsman style. There already are professional-level hobbyist and smalltimer animators in the fandom, there have been a good handful of industry professionals that have passed through, and there certainly are a handful of in-industry pros with closet furry bank-making accounts.

We've entered the state where patreons and kickstarters gain enough money to fund small teams monthly, and that just means just like the indy-scene in general, its only a matter of time before a gem pops out of the masses of rolling projects. Maybe we havent gotten a gem yet, but we got plenty of time.

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>>105815

>The journey of self improvement, especially as an artist, is long and difficult and cannot, ever, in any case, beyond the shadow of a doubt be accomplished without casting aside your ego and any and all attention-seeking behavior for the purpose of instant fulfillment.

Quite the flowery idealization you got there, but art is definitely quite a lot about ego and attention seeking. What is art without an audience? Who would make something new unless they thought something was so important that it aught to be made? If you had stated that ego/attention-seeking were things to keep under control, I'd agree, but you worded this in absolutes.

>Good artists are forever putting their own knowledge to the test, take criticism, doubting what they know and wondering how they can improve.

This is rather abstract. If a Good Chef stops his craft to bake a tray of slutty brownies for himself, one of the things he enjoyed that pushed him to start culinary training in the first place... does he stop being a Good Chef? Can a creator never slow his roll to reap his harvest? Is every artistic direction outside of striving to become the perfect Automaton invalid? Is every boxer not reaching to be the next Ali a disgrace? There are more facets to being an artist than "Git gud", and improvement only for the sake of it, is it's own kind of masturbation resulting in fruitlessness. Yes, there's more to being a good artist than wish fufillment, but being a good artist doesnt mean you're divorced from using your gifts for your interests.

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>>105828

>sex sells

Pretty much. If blowjobs still sell in all forms since any medium could display it, I doubt we'll get to a point where everyone unanimously stops buying it's next reincarnation. It's kinda like Pizza.

>>105854

>There already are professional-level hobbyist and smalltimer animators in the fandom

Not even close.

> there have been a good handful of industry professionals that have passed through

No.

>and there certainly are a handful of in-industry pros with closet furry bank-making accounts.

Unlikely.

>We've entered the state where patreons and kickstarters gain enough money to fund small teams monthly

Yeah, and whenever one of those has propped up in the furry fandom, not a single dime has ever been spent on development of the project, or support a small team. But always to the sole benefit of the original author's pockets. See Rack 2 for a blatant example. 1 million dollars for literally nothing over 4 years.

>Quite the flowery idealization you got there, but art is definitely quite a lot about ego and attention seeking.

It really isn't.

Furry art is about attention seeking, yes.

That's why it's mostly bad porn.

Porn is the easiest way to garner a lot of attention for minimal effort.

Humans are prude, that's why we wear clothes.

Tons of art which isn't porn is alluring. Anything that depicts the human form is in some way alluring. We're humans. We're attracted to the human form.

But porn straight up violates that social taboo, pun unintended, it gets attention more easily.

And if you're a pathetic narcissist who is starving for attention but is also a lazy fuck who thinks the world owes them, the easiest and quickest way is to draw porn.

Take a lot of these types and throw them in a cage, you get the furry fandom.

Porn made by someone who knows their form, perspective and anatomy is quickly driven out by the one made by someone who never quite managed to hold a pencil straight in their lives, because it isn't not about depicting the human form accurately, it's all about violating that social taboo.

Which explains why furry is what it is, why furries are edgy transgressive teenagers, why popufurs are all narcissistic cunts with no skill, why teams made up of furries disband because drama why nothing good ever came out of this fandom and nothing ever will, despite all the money that gets thrown around.

Furry isn't an art market, it's an attention market. The "art" is just a facade to the narcissism because yes, art and showbiz in general have always been a honeypot for narcissists. But in the real world, these types never make it or are driven out very, very quickly. Because it's about what you can do, both for the team behind the game/film/whatever and in terms of raw skills, not who you are. There is no "I" in TEAM and furries are all about "Is". An exception to this rule would be the "modern art" market which is, in turn a facade for money laundering schemes.

Creating good art is a team effort and furries are incapable of grasping the concept that the universe doesn't revolve around them.

This makes them incapable of ever producing good art and drives away those that have the skills to do so.

Therefore, back to the original point, "good furry animation/games" will never exist unless you change the core of what makes the furry fandom the furry fandom. Good luck. With that.

>>105884

>Everything is no, because I hate furries™

You've defeated me, brilliant.

>>105854

>its only a matter of time before a gem pops out of the masses of rolling projects. Maybe we havent gotten a gem yet, but we got plenty of time.

it's highly improbable you'll get a gem tbh.

you'll definitely get something of consistent production value, it's not implausible to imagine furries turning out stuff to rival zootopia in the future but it'll fall on the sword of bad writing or a soulless concept or some other thing that prevent it being a gem, despite having many of the things (currently off limit) that make a popular consumer product in the world at large.

>>105884

tbh you're not really targeted enough in your hostility. it has to be accepted there are people of skill and talent in the fandom who're putting it to pointless uses if you want to see the actual horror of the situation. it's not sufficient to just imagine that they're all edgy teenagers. (though my preferred model for furry culture remains high school cliques.)

>>105893

You're free to support your claim with examples, something you should have done since the start.

I'm sure though that your examples, if you even have any, will consist of unimpressive little-more-than-amateurs who may have gotten some low-end menial job in some irrelevant F-rated production at some point, who barely fit the definition of professional, who you still consider the heralds of "high-quality" nonetheless, since there's a very high chance you just don't know any better.

I already explained the reason why anyone worth their salt won't touch the furry fandom for long, if at all.

Still, please do. I want to have a good, hearty laugh for once.

>>105894

There's no way that nobody with both skill and talent and a soft spot for anthros ever stumbled upon furry, even by accident. There is also no way at least one of them didn't decide to stick around and make some fucking impressive shit. Unless, they felt it was utterly pointless to waste their talent and time on a community which didn't care about their skill, but only about their ability to pretend to give a shit about their drama, their fursona or their fetishes. Since they had plenty of the former and none of the latter, they decided to go where they'll be rewarded for it instead of being ignored. I.E., not the furry fandom.

imagine if rather than valuing talented individuals, we valued individual talent.

that's not just wordplay. what i'm saying is, imagine if we encouraged people to try things themselves rather than paying/begging others to do it for them. imagine if they knew there would be an audience for their attempts.

now snap back to reality lol because that's never fucking happening, forget humans and creations. feed me CONTENT

>>105898

Many of the zootopia team and the staff of notable websites and content providers are furries.

Furries, like viruses, are everywhere. Even a modal shift from the digital to physical and vice versa cannot stop them.

>>105903

>Many of the zootopia team are furries

Utter delusion.

Yeah, they may have a soft spot for cartoon animals like I said. But if they were ouritght furries then we'd already have the amazing furry games and animations, but we don't.

>staff of notable websites

I don't get how that helps your argument.

>>105954

I don't see the developers of either games engaging with the furry fandom.

So they were neither funded nor developed (nor wanted) by furries.

Hell, I don't even see furries TALKING about these games. Aren't we supposed to do that, by the way?

Probably because one doesn't have enough sexual innuendos or characters alluring enough to grow a sizeable sub-fandom around it like Undertale or Zootopia while the other one isn't even out yet.

i.e. you proved nothing and the point still stands.

>>105960

We've strayed into red herring territory here.

The point really wasn't about AAA games or movies with anthros and their porn existing or not. The point was about the artists and the programmers hired to work on these (and other AAA projects) being furries, engaging in the furry fandom and creating AAA-level, furry-themed personal work, porn or otherwise, to prove the existence of a sizeable group of furries capable of potentially producing AAA-level media specifically to appeal to the furry fandom and funded in full by the furry fandom.

Such work and therefore such people DO NOT EXIST. And you can find the reason why they never will a few posts above.

Yes, solo devs (and filmmakers) exist all around the world, and every other month, someone pumps out stuff made in their free time with little or no budget at all which verges on AAA quality, at least visually, usually landing them a relevant salaried job the following day.

Meanwhile, solo furry "devs" get literally millions of dollars in funding and yet never get past the "my first Unity game" stage.

>>105932

They made zootopia as a mass market product, but they themselves are members of the furry fandom in private. Believe it or not, Disney doesn't let them use company hardware to produce stuff for their own personal benefit.

The point is that furries are in positions of relative notability. That is not to defend the fandom itself as something good, creative or valuable. It is to underline that the disease is spreading.

The question of what people have the capability of doing is massively distinct from what they will do. The fact the fandom has a disproportionate number of pilots is not disproved by the non-existence of a furry airline.

>>105959

>I don't see the developers of either games engaging with the furry fandom.

I mean if that's one of your criteria let's not forget that Zootopia was specifically viral marketed to furries. They literally paid advertisers to do this.

>>105968

>The question of what people have the capability of doing is massively distinct from what they will do. The fact the fandom has a disproportionate number of pilots is not disproved by the non-existence of a furry airline.

It would be disproved if the furry fandom was about piloting aircrafts and/or planespotting instead of creating art.

If the "astrophysics fandom" was made of people unironically claiming the Sun revolves around the Earth, would you believe someone who claimed Stephen Hawking was part of it?

Dumb example aside, yes the lack of good art does indeed disprove the existence of good artists when the fandom literally revolves around creating and selling art. Even more so when all the artists are mediocre at best and make bank nonetheless.

>Believe it or not, Disney doesn't let them use company hardware to produce stuff for their own personal benefit.

Sorry, but this is retarded.

Nobody is saying someone should make Zootopia 2 on their own. But you also don't need Disney's hardware to make AAA level stuff. Especially today it's much, much easier and more affordable to do so than ever, since the tools have become better and cheaper. That's how the guys at Disney got their job in the first place, for fuck's sake.

The scope would be extremely downsized, yes, but it would still be a million times better than what we have. Seriously have you ever seen the stuff that lands people jobs in the industry? Even the 1-second animations or the static character turnarounds are light years away from anything this fandom has ever produced.

Why is this even such a fucking hard concept to grasp, holy shit.

The financial incentive is there, it's even several orders of magnitude bigger than the one you get working for fucking Disney, yet I'm supposed to believe that there's a shitton of Disney artists who are "members of the fandom" but just sit there fiddling their thumbs all day long? ALL of them?

I'm starting to think the whole "furries who work for Pixar" and "Zootopia was marketed to furries" thing is just thinly veiled, delusional wishful thinking and I'm getting rused.

>>105970

>It would be disproved if the furry fandom was about piloting aircrafts and/or planespotting instead of creating art.

The furry fandom isn't about creating art though, i thought we were on the same page about this: It's about narcissism, human identity and petty commerce.

>If the "astrophysics fandom" was made of people unironically claiming the Sun revolves around the Earth, would you believe someone who claimed Stephen Hawking was part of it?

If Hawking's twitter was full of renderings of the planets that clearly had an astrophysics rendering style, I'd definitely have some suspicions.

>yet I'm supposed to believe that there's a shitton of Disney artists who are "members of the fandom" but just sit there fiddling their thumbs all day long? ALL of them?

Yes. The fandom has no incentive to create quality and a lot of incentive for being an egotistic hack. That doesn't mean members are incapable of creating something good. Furthermore, if you're being paid to make furries for Disney all day long why would you then turn around and make more for a community that will accept much less when you could relax and dick about on Twitter all day posting OwO what's this??? Especially when furry is more about quantity than quality of content.

Both the recent Spyro game and Zootopia have had staff members tweeting out on their obviously-furry twitter about their experience working on those projects.

I get the impression you think I'm mounting a defence of the fandom. If my position could be conveyed more effectively, it would be clear it's a much bleaker perspective than the fandom simply being talentless.

>>105972

>The furry fandom isn't about creating art though, i thought we were on the same page about this: It's about narcissism, human identity and petty commerce.

You got me there. That was wishful thinking on my part.

Although I admit, the real reason behind that and my hostility here is because, deep down, I'm trying to entice someone, anyone to come and prove me wrong. The fact that you agreed.with me on that isn't actually a good thing.

>if you're being paid to make furries for Disney all day long why would you then turn around and make more for a community that will accept much less

Because furries accept much less but pay more? More money for less effort? Sounds like a win-win.

>had staff members tweeting out on their obviously-furry twitter about their experience working on those projects.

I still doubt that claim. Even then, I'd still doubt the actual competence of these furries.

>it would be clear it's a much bleaker perspective than the fandom simply being talentless.

Yes, it's clear. I see your point.

And no, I don't want you to be right.

I don't want you to agree with me.

I don't want you to paint an even bleaker picture than mine.

You were supposed to disagree and prove me wrong, DAMMIT.

>>105816

no i dont remember that movie which one was it all the star wars r the same 4 me tbh

>>105998

wow dude that sure showed him

>>105998

If employers actually ran google searches on these people, most would likely be fired.

Some probably deserve to have a gun fired into their left eye socket, the things they've done. Zaush, you know what you did, confirmed pedo rapist trash. No amount of right-wing defense will change the facts that the fandom tries to bury yet fails to keep secret anymore.

>>105998

I'll take your word for it since you've talked with them.

>>105998

>Fnooks

Uhm...who?

Furry logic- if I demand sex from you and tell you I'll pummel you black & blue if you don't spread your legs, and you agree to spread your legs to avoid a beating, then you still consented to sex, and it's not rape.

>>106008

fnook, forgot theres no 's' in the name

Theres also;

Weremagnus - concept artist / illustrator in the game industry, longtime furry

Spotty-Servine - animator, furry

Eltonpot - animator, furry

Ursadaemajor - animator, does furry

Fek - has done programming for videogames industry, is a furry

>>105998

Wow I didn't think anybody of note would even post here anymore with how far this hole has fallen.

How much of the doom saying do you think is generic chan echo chamber, and how much is genuine fear of the fandom being overran by puritanical nuts.

>>106020

Not him, but the fandom is whatever you make of it. If you actively make it shitty or dig for shit, then it's going to be shit. However, if you try to be the change that you want to be by creating content, then it'll be good. You don't need to be the best type of artists or animator out there.

I wouldn't claim that it's a chan thing since it's on other platforms like Twitter. In fact, places like tgchan don't have that issue. I think the fundamental issue is that some people are fixated on drama too much. They have a habit from making mountains out of molehills, getting pissed at things at things that they can't control, or dumping DMs for internet clout.

If you want to fix this, then just create positive stuff so that people would copy it. Furry isn't a Mean Girls simulator, it's hobbyist group with animals. More importantly, don't try to impress strangers by denigrating your own, they won't like you regardless of what you do.

People have been associating animal traits with their own personality and identity since we were primitive monkey men.

It won't go away until all other animals die out.

>>106021

>However, if you try to be the change that you want to be by creating content, then it'll be good

Why do that in the fandom though?

Making good content is definitely the better approach compared to whining, but my primary concern when making content is thinking how I'm going to subtly police the community to keep the worst of furrydom out without looking like a massive cunt. The ultimate (potentially egotistical) aim would be to have a distinct fanbase for the work I produce, with a name and therefore with distinction from furry. The same could then be true of other works, and then we've got quality content without the mudstain that is this fandom to drag it down.

Obviously it's not always in your power to decide whether or not you're considered part of the fandom and overt denial is usually the most obvious confirmation that you are, but circumstances can definitely be manipulated to stay on the safe side of the wilderness.

>>106031

right because Maus and Ode to Kirihito are the same thing as drawing Tiny Toons characters shitting their dipaers

The fear of puritans is the stupidest thing. There's no real threat, but people long for such a threat to be in a position of power so that they can rebell against it. It's fun to do that. The worst thing authority can do in the medium-long term is say "fuck it, do what you want, i don't care." or god forbid "enjoy yourself!" - suddenly the real enjoyment of doing things outside the norm is lost. You're no longer transgressive, and that was half the fun of the act all along.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the puritans are right - quite the opposite actually, I tend to take the anti-authoritarian approach myself. But having done that multiple times across multiple communities, the fight for the liberty to do what you want is always more enjoyable than the banal peace that follows.

>>106048

He's baiting because he's bored, he does this with everyone. Gets angry at game devs for using placeholders out of all things despite it being common practice. Did it with people like fek and the dev (Gentle) from the sticky by claiming that they were scammers.

He points out that AAA studios have good assets in their prototype while working fast, but he doesn't realize that those consist of over 100 employees where everyone is paid to work on their job. Obviously, people in specialized roles are going to work faster than solo devs who have to do the work of over 100 people.

>>106053

Drop your ego and stop baiting my man. You might think that you're improving by being pessimistic and contrarian, but it actually stalls your improvement because it makes you afraid to show off your own material for input.

>>106054

>Obviously, people in specialized roles are going to work faster than solo devs who have to do the work of over 100 people.

When the solo dev gets enough cash to hire half a dozen specialists and then doesn't, it means it's a scam.

Try to worm your way out of that.

>>106055

Oh man, where do I start? People have to be fond of your workflow and requirements in order to function smoothly. You also can't pay a 6 specialists if you're barely reaching six figures. They would each make less than an yearly minimum wage if they did and it would be very hard to remain motivated on that type of project.

I'm in the indie scene and you'd be surprised at how long projects take. Devs take years to release their project.

>>106057

>$360'000/6 = $60'000/year

Neither minimum wage nor "barely reaching six figures" in the first place.

6 would be kinda stretching it, 4 or 5 wouldn't.

The increase in pace and production quality would also attract more funding, and rightfully so.

And in any case, it would still be better than being a black hole for money.

If you have a shitty workflow then fix it.

>Devs take years to release their project.

They also don't sit on a million dollars and leave it to rot.

>>105998

Wait i didnt know you used fucking 8chan, Fuzzamorous

Kinda like saying, "when will Japanese culture in America die"

I think it will just revive itself over and over again

>>105998

You do good work, just to let you know. i will probably never have another opportunity to say this again.

If someone made public tweets to CNN, MSNBC and Chris Hansen concerning Zaush, how fucked would the fandom be and how quickly?

>>106137

Nobody would pay attention and someone probably already has.

>>105950

You know what I meant. Vapid "fun" that's actually pretty boring. Like a clown trying too hard to impress an audience.

>>105828

I hope I'm wrong. But it feels like all of the giant companies are backing the sterilization of the internet. First and foremost being Google.

>>106213

Google only started listing Furaffinity images quite recently.

Though that may have been a change to FA's Robots.txt rather than a Google policy shift.

>>106215

Did that happen to have anything to do with IMVU acquiring fa?

>>105731 (OP)

It will only get larger as the population at large becomes stupider and internet-driven. it already has ~1 million people. it's going to take off and evolve into a monstrous culture

>>105749

Lo único que crece en Latinoamerica es el profit de dibujar porno furro para gente de USA/Europa lmao

I was going to say when burgerstan and yurup finally collapse, but there's a surprising number of taco and south american furries.

Like, even in areas that should have pretty limited internet access.

>>106242

How monstrous are we talking here, like rock music?

>>109455

I can see it happening.

It will die once it gets big enough that corps can come in to subvert a counter/sub culture for a few quick bucks while cranking out cheap shit. Tons of idiots will surge in scaring off the people with real interest, then leave in a few years for the next shiny thing. With the old guard shattered and the fresh blood left it will become a slumbering husk until something awakes it a new decades later.

>>109559

But that's already happened. That's the world we live in. I already know lots of furries who've left, or have gone into hiding in places normalfags won't go.

Furry is only as alive as necromancy can make something alive, now. The charm is mostly gone, and furry is now all about money, e-celebs, and popularity, the same thing you see in those shitty magazines right before cash registers in stores.

>>105731 (OP)

Actually, furry has a better prospect of surviving forever than most other nerd cliques. Stuff like MLP and anime will only last as long as MLP and anime is being made, while the core idea of "humanized cartoon animals" is in some shape or form effectively as old as humanity itself. We're much more likely to see a paradigm shift of the type of art style that furries cater to however, like how we gradually moved on from predominantly Looney Tunes derivatives to more animesque styles since the turn of the century.

>>109559

Corporations would increase rather than decrease the vitality of the fandom tbh. We're in the horrible middle ground right now where you get all the commercial, consumerist behaviours of a corporate fandom but without the low prices that corporate mass production give you. So only a small subset of mostly insufferable people can actually participate without being largely ignored by all.

Imagine a world where a high quality fursuit costs $200. Everyone who can afford a Chromebook could then afford one, and they could customize it themselves and do whatever they wanted with it without worrying about destroying a $2000 investment and pissing off the high status artisan who'd crafted it. As you moved from person-to-person financial relationships to person to company financial relationships, people would be back on even ground and could socialise together without any of the social problems or awkwardness caused by the current setup.