/fur/ - Furry★

No drawn image should be illegal convince me otherwise

>>101648

>pedo is okay if it's art

Considering how many artists are clearly using either real cp for reference, or actual children(as has been practically admitted to by several furry parents), it's still harming children for it to be made.

This thread is also clear "containment" material as the fandom in general and board owner in specific are pro-pedo, so much so that any furry that openly states a dislike of pedo shit is practically thrown out of the fandom, or at least massively hated, while pedos that harass those people are never seen as aggressors or punished for it.

>>101657

Yeah it's still exploitative.

>>101657

>Considering how many artists are clearly using either real cp for reference, or actual children(as has been practically admitted to by several furry parents), it's still harming children for it to be made.

Boy, that sounds like something you have hard evidence for! You can start producing it any time now, faggot. Maybe turn it over to police, since, you know, that's a crime. Any fucking time now.

>This thread is also clear "containment" material as the fandom in general and board owner in specific are pro-pedo, so much so that any furry that openly states a dislike of pedo shit is practically thrown out of the fandom, or at least massively hated, while pedos that harass those people are never seen as aggressors or punished for it.

Have you ever considered not being such a miserable shitcock that people would rather have possible pedophiles around than you? I mean, fuck's sake man, that can't possibly be THAT high a bar to clear.

So I'm looking into the whole Forte thing and what I've seen so far are screengrabs from Discord and something from someone he knew on Twitter.

I probably wouldn't leave a kid around him, but I wouldn't leave a kid around 99.999% of furries anyway so that's really not saying too much. Guess we'll see if he manages to do something even dumber than talking about this kind of shit on Discord. (You people do realize they fucking log all of that shit right.)

>>101658

You can't exploit something that doesn't exist

>>101657

As stated in the previous thread, this is a baseless claim, besides traced child porn is explicitly illegal so what does that have to do with truly fictitious images of non existing non human races?

>>101657

>Violence, rape, torture, etc is ok if it's fictional

Considering how many crimes were clearly inspired by, or directly mimic events in violent (or otherwise) media, it still harms people for it to be made.

See, I can do it too. Either outliers don't speak for the majority, or they do, you can't have it both ways just because you find one more "icky" compared to the other.

>>101677

But anon, they don't like it, and that's all that really matters!

>>101671

> traced child porn is explicitly illegal

Oh okay, so if you reference CP and don't trace it, no children were harmed. Magical!

>>101922

Y'know, I realize you're deliberately being obtuse here, but the issue isn't any sort of fucking artwork. It's the fact that the artist possesses CP. Which brings me to the question - how do you know that a cub artist was tracing or referencing a specific CP picture? Kind of implies you, you know, look at CP a lot. Why would you do that? Hmmm.

>>101926

I've heard stories where some nip artists explicitly admitted to doing so in Twitter DMs

>>101964

I heard a story that you were a retard who copulates with Alzheimer's patients and then consumes their bedpan contents.

"Heard a story" don't really mean much, especially not to law enforcement.

>>101659

You look/sound like a jew when you type shit like that. The way you creatures type as well makes it a bit more obvious, it's fascinating to me.

>>101983

You sound like a retard who got lost on his way to /pol/. Few more doors down, buddy. Keep walking. Don't come back.

>>101987

You'd be surprised at the amount of furries that are outright White supremacists and go far beyond what would be labeled as "alt-right". Most of them are closeted, for their own safety and keeping their enemies closer. Enjoy yourself.

sickohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9ajbpTjiv8

The zoophiles that I associate with online tend to have pro-creature ethics. They tend to be against zoosadists, like Kero.

https://www.zeta-verein.de/en/the-association/our-ethics/

I am anti-pedo. Fuck them.

>>102004

>zoophiles

>pro-creature ethics

pick one

>>102005

>everything I don't like is immoral

>>102006

brainlet

Mods, will you also keep DarkShadowFox, Kero, "so-and-so artist is totally a pedo" etc. out of other threads?

>>101994

>You'd be surprised at the amount of furries that are outright White supremacists and go far beyond what would be labeled as "alt-right".

Nah, I wouldn't. Takes a lot to fucking surprise me these days. Still, I can't imagine how you buffoons deal with all the logical contradictions in your lives. Being a white supremacist in a fandom where the notion of being white basically has zero fucking meaning because everyone's a goddamn animal-head-person is one of the funnier things I've heard.

>Most of them are closeted

lol

>for their own safety and keeping their enemies closer.

To be fair there are some dumbshits who would validate your gigantic victim complexes by causing you harm (Hi Deo, don't worry, I hate you too). That being said, it's my fondest hope that you morons do indeed end up encountering one another because who needs to kill two birds with one stone when the birds will happily kill each other for you? And as for "keeping your enemies closer" - yeah, I'm not worried, sorry champ.

>>102004

>"I abuse animals but at least I'm not a pedophile!"

Meh. You're pretty much all the same to me.

>>102011

As long as you keep reporting it. We try our best but all help is appreciated.

>>101922

Being in possession of child porn is still illegal so im not seeing the issue here.

>>102004

I hate people that perch on pedestals, worse than pedos or zoophiles imo

If someone has proof that an artist is using CP, they need to take that to the police. There is absolutely no reason to post it here; in fact, the cops would probably rather you not do so, in case it tips off the person before they can get there. If all you have is "I heard" or "someone said," it's also better not to post it here-- because if it's not true, that person may be fucked because of nasty rumors.

If what you really want is just "good boy points," to be 'that guy' who outed a pedo, I think you should pony the fuck up and just say so from square one: "I don't give a shit if they really get arrested, or even if they're really doing anything illegal at all. I just want to be known as the person who 'fights the good fight.'"

>>102059

>If someone has proof that an artist is using CP, they need to take that to the police. There is absolutely no reason to post it here; in fact, the cops would probably rather you not do so, in case it tips off the person before they can get there.

Probably an excellent reminder. Unfortunately doesn't stop idiots from posting their "damning proof" to harvest likes/upboats/whatever trips their trigger. Though frankly a bunch of these types think stupid shit like "LEOs don't do anything" and prefer to call for vigilante justice (by someone ELSE'S hand, of course - "would you kindly go remove this person for me?") which just mucks shit up even worse.

There are fucking cops AND prosecutors who LIVE to put sex offenders into prison, but "cops are complicit justice system broke waaah". Shut the fuck up, asshole.

>>102062

>There are fucking cops AND prosecutors who LIVE to put sex offenders into prison, but "cops are complicit justice system broke waaah". Shut the fuck up, asshole.

There genuinely are complicit people in the system, but the fact that there are won't stop anyone genuinely against CP from succeeding.

You can go to the federal, state, county, and city level for an offense like CP, and the chance of having all four levels turn a blind eye is next to zero. Maybe one will. Maybe two will. But all four? No way.

>>102073

>decriminalizing it will directly lead to a massive black market of pedophile pornography in third world shitholes

Isn't that what already happens? Wouldn't decriminalizing it make it happen in first-world countries instead, under better labor laws?

>>102073

>Most of the time the "proof" isn't actionable. It's stuff like "he sent a naked picture of himself to a 14 year old".

I was actually under the impression that was actionable as long as mens rea could be established (i.e. he knew he was sending lewds to a kid). Which, come to think of it, might not necessarily be the easiest thing to establish... but still.

>Or "He erps with 14 year olds".

I'd think that as long as mens rea could be established this too would fall under whatever "corruption of a minor" charge was applicable by region. Then again, I'm not a lawyer or LEO.

>>102075

>Isn't that what already happens? Wouldn't decriminalizing it make it happen in first-world countries instead, under better labor laws?

It does but it would blow up to be like 20 times larger if people didn't risk going to prison and it being made public if it was found on their hard drives. Like it would easily become the largest human trafficking market. It also wouldn't affect first world countries as no first world country would ever decriminalize distribution or production of child pornography. Third world countries on the other hand can barely deal with shit like pirates robbing tourists on their coasts so it would happen regularly there.

>>102076

>I was actually under the impression that was actionable as long as mens rea could be established (i.e. he knew he was sending lewds to a kid). Which, come to think of it, might not necessarily be the easiest thing to establish... but still.

This is REALLY hard to prove and most of the time the person just has to say "yeah she said she was 18 so I thought she was 18" enough times til the prosecutor decides it's not worth pursing. As it can take months to years to prosecute someone on a "he said she said" case and most of the time they'll just drop it. Whereas if you can prove they knew the subject was underage they'll often just accept a plea bargain. This is why during pedophile stings they often state their age more than once in chat just to nullify this possibility.

>I'd think that as long as mens rea could be established this too would fall under whatever "corruption of a minor" charge was applicable by region. Then again, I'm not a lawyer or LEO.

Most of the time this'll just get plea bargained down to a misdemeanor with a minor or public mischief. Some slap on the wrist charge and they'll just pay a fine. Unless they do something REALLY heinous like extort them for sexual pictures cops really don't care that you typefucked a 14 year old. Unless you actually do something like attempt to meet them irl.

>>102080

>This is REALLY hard to prove and most of the time the person just has to say "yeah she said she was 18 so I thought she was 18" enough times til the prosecutor decides it's not worth pursing.

For further proof of this. The evidence of The Dishonored Wolf being a pedophile was mostly just him erping with a girl who pretended to be 18 and then went "lolno I'm actually 14". And posted doctored photos of him pretending to be naked. The fact she lied so much and then later claimed she was being abused would already be something that would cause the prosecutor to prefer to not pursue it. If indeed it went that far. This is why people just instead made a thread about him and harassed him instead because it's highly unlikely the police would do anything.

>>102073

>Most of the time the "proof" isn't actionable. It's stuff like "he sent a naked picture of himself to a 14 year old". Or "He erps with 14 year olds".

The thing is, unless one has hard proof which they can take to the police, aren't the above always nothing more than rumors? If you know for certain that they did so, you'll have seen evidence like a screenshot, which can be taken to the cops.

>As soon as they see a potential crime being committed and justice not being done they will try and do it themselves.

>And a lot of the time the reason why people are spreading news someone is a pedophile is to try and get the police's eye on them to try and prevent something from happening in the future.

Yes. The problem is when they do so based on rumors and hearsay. Which is what folks like DarkShadowFox are doing, and the guy who keeps spamming that Zaush is a pedo.

>erping with a girl who pretended to be 18 and then went "lolno I'm actually 14". And posted doctored photos of him pretending to be naked. The fact she lied so much and then later claimed she was being abused

>This is why people just instead made a thread about him and harassed him instead because it's highly unlikely the police would do anything

Why SHOULD the police do anything, when he wasn't trying to get jiggy with a teenager? In that case, it was her fucking with him. If someone knows the other person is underage and still pursues them,that's when there's a problem. But still, my point stands:

If you have proof, take it to the police. If you have hearsay, don't potentially fuck up the livelihood of someone who my not be guilty. Keep an eye on them in case proof shows up, absolutely, but don't fuck up their lives NOW, for two good reasons: if they're innocent, there's that. If they're not, you might throw your chances of getting proof later.

>>102155

>The thing is, unless one has hard proof which they can take to the police, aren't the above always nothing more than rumors? If you know for certain that they did so, you'll have seen evidence like a screenshot, which can be taken to the cops.

Most people expect that the investigation will go nowhere anyway. Since most evidence is hearsay.

>you'll have seen evidence like a screenshot, which can be taken to the cops.

100% of the time there are screenshots but the vast majority of the time it's dubious as to its validity and there's a lot of ambiguity. Like "Did XX know the subject was 18 or not? Did YY Lie about their age? Did YY intentionally violate a "nobody under 18" rule when joining said community?" a lot of it throws shade on the person and makes going to trial way harder than if a successful sting operation is conducted or there's REALLY big smoking gun evidence like the person was fully aware of the person's age and actively solicited nude photographs from them.

The police cannot reasonably investigate every lead that hits their desk with the same level of interest as say, a murder or kidnapping investigation. This is why people generally try to pursue vigilante justice to try and solve the problem. Which is usually either tolerated or ignored by the police.

>If you have hearsay, don't potentially fuck up the livelihood of someone who my not be guilty

I don't think people should harass every Tom, Dick or Harry that gets accused of being a pedophile but I also treat it on a case by case basis since there are notable examples of pedophiles who just fell through the cracks every time and only got caught because the Internet did its own investigations. A really good example is Nick Bate who's now in prison because of it.

>>102161

>100% of the time there are screenshots

Usually there aren't screenshots of the person in question admitting anything, which is what I'm talking about. Screenshots of other people discussing something is not evidence, in any way, shape or form.

>The police cannot reasonably investigate every lead that hits their desk with the same level of interest as say, a murder or kidnapping investigation. This is why people generally try to pursue vigilante justice to try and solve the problem

Except that vigilante justice rarely solves the problem and often makes more.

>I also treat it on a case by case basis since there are notable examples of pedophiles who just fell through the cracks every time and only got caught because the Internet did its own investigations

That's fine enough. But internet investigations do not involve going onto a *chan and repeatedly saying, "The fandom is full of pedos, (person) is a pedo" in every other thread. Which is 99% of what's happening here.

OP post needs a "go to KiwiFarms" message. We really shouldn't invite these kinds of people here and steer the ones that are already here away.

>>102183

>OP post needs a "go to KiwiFarms" message

Ideally people would just take this discussion to other places that are more suitable. However this sort of discussion is extremely popular and typically people make 1-2 threads over every big piece of drama that crops up. And we don't want to get into a situation where people are constantly attempting to make threads trying to talk about something and we spend most of our time purging discussion. We mostly want to give people what they want which is a big place to vent about notable furry degenerates. But also don't want to clog the board with countless threads about it. It's why a central "sick fucks" thread was agreed upon as it's a compromise where everyone wins. And if people don't want to see the thread they can just hide it, like you can also do to the gcub thread.

>>102195

>>102183

This is a board about the furry fandom. Since BO specifically said this isn't a fire and forget porn dump board, there's not much else to talk about the fandom besides how shitty the people in it are. Sure, there are some good people, but a huge majority of them are just bad folk, and that's going to come up in any discussion, otherwise you're ignoring things to make them look good

>>102195

>>102201

Shitting up the board with inane gossip, accusations not even police wants to investigate and drama isn't going to do this board any good. Especially if there's a whole containment website for like-minded folks who dedicate their lives to sperging about a single person. But if a containment thread is going to clean up other threads, I'm fine with that.

>>102249

> accusations not even police wants to investigate

>implying they're not complicit in big cities

>>102271

Fair point, but they only cover for each other and whoever is rich and powerful enough. Some random furries will get the full length of the law, every time.

hi i was told to redirect my thead here:

Forted fox has been outed as a pedophile:

https://archive.li/lWSgF

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/img_20190420_044628-jpg.732427/

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/img_20190420_044638-jpg.732428/

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/img_20190420_044640-jpg.732429/

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/img_20190420_044643-jpg.732430/

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/img_20190420_044653-jpg.732431/

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/img_20190420_044658-jpg.732432/

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/img_20190420_044703-jpg.732433/

http://archive.is/O84L3

>>102302

furries will only cover for people on the private websites like fetlife and murrsuit.info and that are zoos and pedos and stuff no matter what happens to them they always seem to get out of it and go back to doing the same shit they always do while some furries who breath get like shit canned.

>>102323

k keep me posted

>>102323

Take it to the cops. Or don't, and just corral your updoots.

>>102324

What makes you think anyone who's not a zoo or pedo is covering for them? From what I've seen of 20 years in the fandom, most furries think both of these are disgusting.

>>102351

ehhh youd be suprised the shielding that goes on in ths fandom more recently then not, been an uptick.

>>102352

>been an uptick.

that sounds like a completely quantifiable and verifiable thing that you should definitely substantiate for our benefit

>>102357

no, find your own dirt, revealing it to the public does nothing and just makes them scatter, holding it for years to release it like the #MeToo Movement does far more damage when theyve all moved out of the lime light and back into there little dens

>>102359

so basically you have fucking jack and shit and on the off chance you actually have something you're not taking it to the police

man look at you fighting the pedo problem wowee you really sure are convincing me that you're not a fucktard with a chip on their shoulder

right, ok, so now you listen to me you maladjusted piece of fucking gutter trash: if you have evidence, actual fucking evidence that there are practicing predators afoot and you aren't dropping that in every relevant law enforcement agency's lap with fucking ninja speed you're a complete and utter piece of fucking shit and I will find you and turn your skull into a brandy snifter, you worthless sack of shit

The furry fandom won't go to the cops or the media because it sees itself as a self-policing group that does not want to involve "outsiders".

Zaush is a rapist and has been busted using real cp as art references, yet even those who hate him won't go to Nancy Grace or Chris Hansen. They don't want the entire fandom fucked in the ass by the media or law enforcement over it.

That's about to change, I'm drafting a letter now to send to multiple media outlets(no "fake news" like Breitbart, Fox or OAN, any outlet that defended Roy Moore or Brett Kavanaugh doesn't give a shit about pedos) with plenty of compiled proof of what the fandom is really like. Shit's going to hit the fan and I hope some of you hang yourselves in the ensuing fallout. I really hope a vigilante guts Zaush with a kitchen knife when the news reports come out, he doesn't deserve a quick bullet to the brain death.

>>102365

ok, I get it now, you're a gloryhounding asshole looking to make a name for yourself as a fandom crusader. hi darkshadowfox. now that that's out of the way, i think it's time someone reported you to the police for tampering with evidence and obstruction of justice, if for no other reason than it'll keep your retarded trollshielding ass out of everyone else's hair

>>102323

Technically you were told to fuck off because you're a sperg. But at the very least you're using your own thread. I just wish you wouldn't continue to use other threads to obnoxiously derail about zoophiles and pedophiles. It's very disrespectful and rude to the OPs of their respective threads.

Also please respect bans and stop coming back after we permaban you and explicitly ask you to leave.

>>102365

>going to the media

>not going to police

So you just want to stir shit up without anyone actually getting any justice? I know you KF goers don't exactly care about anything but milking the cow, but please, try to read what you write and see if it makes any sense.

>>102366

hi i didnt post that im on a no talking to the press restriction.

-DarkShadowFox

>>102365

>Zaush is a rapist and has been busted using real cp as art references

That wasn't cp

>>102402

child model images are considered legal cp due to how risque and revealing they are, and since he traced a child and made it into something sexual hes producing cp, if not obcienity laws will get him, its so easy to fuck someone over legally when it comes to children, that and hes sexualizing a child soooooo yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa sick fuck

>>102407

Only if their local police will want to waste time on a victimless crime that doesn't help anyone. Unless they don't like him, or people who pay them don't like him, nobody's going to bother. There's more interesting/profitable stuff to do.

>>102407

"Legal CP" doesn't exist, and using a reference isn't tracing.

Unless you have some unseen evidence that he did trace, in which case you should post it.

>>102410

>police don't care about victimless crimes

>>102409

>ywn be a cop

>ywn go from beating a 14-year-old's head against the pavement until they get brain damage

>to busting someone for eating their ass

>to sending them to adult prison to be raped

>>102412

They generally don't, because nobody reports it, prosecution of this would be tricky and sentence very light, if any.

>>102414

so they can eat someones ass in prison and get HIVSHITAIDSHERPESGONAREHAASSWORLDDISNEYWURLD

>>102415

the only furries that get busted for a victimless crime are the furries who hate that furry and rat them out to the police because they dont like them and want there goy boy pointz

>>102441

yeah if you did the shit to teenagers that the justice system does, you would 100% be an epstein-tier sex trafficker

>>102365

>Zaush is a rapist

>believing some autistic roastie whore

Lmfao kill yourself

>actual cp references

No, retard using Google images for midget models in their late 30s is not "actual cp"

Once again, kill yourself

>>102352

I can imagine a guy who's a pedo having a pedo buddy or two, and they cover each other's asses. But unless I see some actual proof that there are non-pedo furries trying to keep pedo furries from getting caught, I call bullshit.

>>102365

Per Zaush, I've seen the screenshots. They're linked from ED, if anyone wants to look at them. CobaltDawg's name is on them; Wan/Zaush's isn't. I suppose we're to trust that it's him? They contain photos of two things: a former porn star named Kitty Jung, who was flat as a board and skinny, and kids wearing not-very-skimpy swimsuits, which likely can be found on Google Images from websites selling swimwear. There's no CP, and the internet version of the telephone game turned photos of this porn actress into "Wan traced CP." None of Zaush's young-looking characters look much like either Kitty Jung or the body type actual children have. They're unnaturally thin (and digitigrade), but they also have hips.

Zaush might be a creep, and who knows, he might be a pedo. But there's no even circumstantial evidence that he had CP, much less traced it.

>>102455

>the internet version of the telephone game turned photos of this porn actress into "Wan traced CP.

Why the fuck are you using your phone on the internet anyways?

>>102486

Are you being obtuse, or do you not know? Okay, for anyone who doesn't know, here's the "telephone game." Get a bunch of people together, preferably at least ten, hopefully more, and sit or stand in a circle. Decide who's going to start, and have them think of a phrase. Say, "Joe ate an apple today, it was red and juicy." They don't say it aloud, but whisper it in the ear of the person on one side. That person, in turn, whispers it to the next person, and so on. When it gets back around to the person who started, it's nearly always VERY different than what they started with.

This is how rumor mills work, online and off. Whatever claim gets spread around changes a bit, with each person changing it a bit. That may be not hearing it exactly as it was said to them or waiting a while before passing it on and not remembering it exactly the same, or intentional spin due to opinions or embellishment for fun. Whatever the reason, rumors change-- and nasty rumors have a tendency to get nastier.

>>102486

Underage b&

>>102488

>>102365

Really looking forward to nothing at all happening there.

>>102513

LOL, thanks for that! Yeah, "purple momkey dishwasher" is the proper sort of response to all the posters who keep making claims without proof. "So-and-so is a pedophile!" "Uh, okay, that's pretty nasty if it's true. What's the evidence?" "Did you not hear me? SO-AND-SO IS A PEDOPHILE!!"

>>101657

>"This thread is containment; a free speech zone on 8chan made by a mod. The owner of the board is pro-pedo. The fandom is pro-pedo and makes excuses/covers them. You speak against pedos/zoophiles in furry fandom, and you're thrown out/hated."

So, logically, thread fills up ~85% with defenses like: "fake CP provides an outlet that prevents the real thing", "I'm friends with zoophiles; they're ethical dogfuckers", "pedos and dogfuckers are better than crusaders", "alt-right white supremacy is a real threat" narrative in a fandom where everyone glorifies wearing an animal head, and "if you've got proof I did something, motherfucker, you better go to the police, shitstain, or by God, I will find your 4 year old child, gutter trash!"

>>102565

Has it ever occurred to you to not be a little shit talking bitch and put up or shut up? If you have concrete evidence of someone committing a prosecutable offense you need to take that to the police. If not, either post what you got so we know you're not full of shit for once in your fucking life or shove it up your puckered rectum alongside your head.

>>102565

See, what you're too fucking stupid to understand apparently is that I actually am all for driving out proven sex offenders. Your little "#metoo"-esque planned stunt? That isn't going to do shit except give you 15 minutes of fame and make people ask why you sat on information for years when you could have gone to every LEO in earshot and tried to actually, you know, clean the fandom out. You, I hate people like you. It's all about YOUR ego, it's all about getting your 15 minutes and virtue-signalling instead of getting shit done.

So, yeah, if you're sitting on actionable information for the sake of trotting it out years after it would have been actually useful, you're fucking shit and I hope someone comes along, bleeds you like a hog and dissolves your stinking carcass in a bathtub somewhere so that there's fucking nothing to remember you by. You deserve to be so utterly destroyed and forgotten that your own FAMILY can't remember you, if you're the sort of person who would let actual sick fucks skate just to ensure you got a little time at the fandom's mic.

Now, are you going to be a worthless little cocksucker or are you going to do something right for once in your miserable fucking life?

>>102486

To be fair, the crusaders really are fucking retarded. Tumblr-tier shit like >drawn >cp where the point is to be really loud and unreasonable so you get your way, calling anyone who talks to anyone under 21 a child abuser, trying to call people out over fucking height differences in their porn, the ever-present stink of woke horseshit… They’re worthless.

We are worse off now than we were back in the 90s. Things are worse, specifically, for the young people these retards are trying to say they protect, and it is specifically because of them. Would you rather live with the possibility that someone will try to get nudes off you, or the possibility that they’ll wage a fucking PR war against you because the chick you made a pass at thinks it’s more fun to screencap and drag you than politely turn you down?

I am not in favor of this shit. It does nothing except make everyone act like a fucking psycho.

>>102570

I mean, no one's given any thought to what the people growing up during this shit have to deal with, because the people who initiate sex are male, and no one cares about them, but the pressure to get laid NOW before it becomes inappropriate, feeling old when you're about to be literally 24, just all this fucking bullshit. It's crap. I'm tired of it.

>>102572

It's a logical progression of the fandom's collective inability to take its hand off its dick for more than a femtosecond. It's fine to like sexytimes and porn but you make your fandom all about that shit and this is what you end up with.

>>102569

1x Mad at the Internet

>>102565

Take it to the fucking police if you have the will to go through with it. Leave it here or on KiwiFarms if you don't want to bother. Either way, going to the media won't really do much good - you'll have to go to the police afterwards, anyway.

>>102570

That's why the rule is to go to the police or shut the fuck up.

>>102574

>1x Mad at the Internet

Yes, I'm aware, but the remote possibility that this fuckmook might actually have something the police could use combined with his gloryhounding attitude make me fucking furious. That isn't something you faff about with. The fact that this dickhead thinks it's all about racking up Good Boy Points kind of exemplifies one of the worst parts of the fandom (attentionwhoring at all costs).

>>102575

Not being hostile, aggressive and angry all the time usually helps persuading people. Some people even do a thing where they do the exact opposite of what's being told, so you might not be helping anyone here.

>>102575

I'll go to the police with shit when they stop beating the shit out of teenagers, raping chicks, and other shit I won't talk about in public because I don't want to die.

>>102577

Nah, you won't. You won't go to the police, ever. I think we all know why.

>>102577

And why the fuck does "doing something" entail going to either fucking cops or fucking journalists, anyway? If I have a problem, I'll take care of it myself. I'm not going to run to one of the two most cancerous professions on the planet.

>>102573

No, it's not about that at all. Did you even read my post?

It's about growing up in a society where being a guy is inherently creepy. A society that basically dislikes you and wants you to fuck off.

>>102579

>It's about growing up in a society where being a guy is inherently creepy. A society that basically dislikes you and wants you to fuck off.

...That's what that was about?

God you're fucking pathetic. Man, I seriously didn't think my opinion of you could go any lower.

>>102578

for the same reason everyone else avoids them, presumably

interesting times ahead

>>102579

>And why the fuck does "doing something" entail going to either fucking cops or fucking journalists, anyway? If I have a problem, I'll take care of it myself. I'm not going to run to one of the two most cancerous professions on the planet.

Probably has something to do with the fact that you'll fuck it up on the off-chance you actually motivate yourself sufficiently to act. You know, because you're a pathetic screwup who rolls natural 1s on Intimidate checks.

>>102582

yeah but the whole reason you know about rodger is his deal is apparently a bunch of other people's deal

this is not quite the savage takedown you think it is

>>102585

Just a man speaking to a man, you sound like a fucking loser.

>>102587

>>102585

>>102579

>>102581

Please take this discussion to r9k where it belongs. It's not associated with furry or the subject of the thread, which is furry zoophiles/pedophiles.

Alternatively please create a separate thread for furry related r9k discussion, instead of derailing this one.

>>102589

the problem is you can't argue whether any given callout is right, because you'll be an "X defender" or whatever. the optics are wrong, it's impossible to defend a single person on an imageboard.

so people have to argue about whether the context the callouts are happening in is right, or whether there's anything wrong with it

i guess you made this thread because darkshadowfox or whatever wouldn't stop making new ones, but i think giving him his own drama forum because he won't stop shitting up the rest of the site is pretty indulgent

>>102592

especially since you're doing the work of keeping it on task, and he on the other hand doesn't really seem to give a fuck that people are talking about tangential shit in it. he's happy to argue with anyone.

>>102592

I suggested it because it had become evident that DSF was not going to be polite enough to fuck off when asked. Was surprised the mods agreed. With any luck DSF will run out of VPN nodes, but not counting on it.

>>102596

yeah well imho giving him his own thread and putting your own work into making sure that it remains 100% about what he wants is just a recipe for more of him

>>102592

>i guess you made this thread because darkshadowfox or whatever wouldn't stop making new ones, but i think giving him his own drama forum because he won't stop shitting up the rest of the site is pretty indulgent

it was more so made as a compromise to everyone since people were also sick of having 5 separate threads on the same subject that kept being bumped. And having random threads like the cub thread derailed into discussion about pedophiles. Having a single global thread that someone can easily hide is a lot better and easier to moderate. It allows people who don't care about such topics to hide the thread and be done with it. DSF being contained to one thread is an added benefit since he doesn't then derail more threads with "lol pedophiles". Although he still does that and I have to delete like 10 replies to it.

>the problem is you can't argue whether any given callout is right, because you'll be an "X defender" or whatever. the optics are wrong, it's impossible to defend a single person on an imageboard.

That's not what I'm talking about. Bringing up "I can't get laid" and Elliot Rodger isn't related to the thread OP, and just leads to the thread talking about "Chads and Stacies" and mass shooters. If you want to talk about such subjects in the context of the furry fandom (IE: "I can't get laid in the furry fandom") then please make a thread devoted to it.

>>102600

the rodger thing was a reply to a set of posts discussing how the crusaders and the environment they foster doesn't do what it says it does. someone mentioned an effect said environment had on guys, and someone else decided to call them a supreme gentleman over it

it's not about not being able to get laid, it's about how that environment makes you feel about getting laid if you're young, and male, and passed through adolescence during it

it's probably pretty confusing to follow a bunch of people talking in a non-threaded format, though, so you have my sympathy

>>102600

and, anyway, what happens when someone compares kero to someone jerking off with a beef heart or something? do you really want to wake up every morning and go through every digression and try and figure out whether it's thread appropriate or not? especially since the kind of people that wallow in this mud don't give a shit themselves

>>102601

At least mods know who the people are, I can't shake the feeling that someone's samefagging here.

>>102605

there's like five people on this board, who cares if the guy who called the other guy a worthless prick is the guy who called the other other guy a dumb faggot

if you go into an imageboard trying to suss out who each poster is so you can meme on them, you've failed at the point of imageboards, imo

>>102565

>So, logically, thread fills up ~85% with defenses like: "fake CP provides an outlet that prevents the real thing", "I'm friends with zoophiles; they're ethical dogfuckers", "pedos and dogfuckers are better than crusaders", "alt-right white supremacy is a real threat" narrative in a fandom where everyone glorifies wearing an animal head, and "if you've got proof I did something, motherfucker, you better go to the police, shitstain, or by God, I will find your 4 year old child, gutter trash!"

...except that it hasn't done so at all. Most of us ARE against actual pedophilia and zoophilia. We just don't think making accusations here-- and especially making accusations here IN EVERY THREAD-- is the way to combat these.

>>102600

Thanks for keeping his BS (and the replies) out of other threads. I'll report if/when I see it.

>>102620

>Thanks for keeping his BS (and the replies) out of other threads. I'll report if/when I see it.

All effort is appreciated. We do read the reports every day and decide accordingly based on them.

>>102620

what if you're really fond of dropping bombs like "being against zoophilia and in favor of meat eating/everything that relies on animals is incoherent and hypocritical"

>>102680

it was funny how they did it back in the day, before the idea of animals as innocent caught on: they killed the animal in front of whoever fucked it

Something seriously has to be done about Rasha.

There was a namefag at Lulz who defended pedophilia constantly, went by Sergalicious

His twitter account is @jinsaotome if you want to go chat with him. Apparently 4chan figured out they were the same poster so he dropped the name but he probably still frequents Lulz regardless.

>>102529

>implying you'd look at the evidence to begin with

Plenty on Zaush and the fandom collectively ignores it, while banning the ones that do acknowledge it.

>>102724

Who the fuck is Rasha and why should we care?

>>102738

In my experience, the people who defend pedophilia are nearly always just trolling.

>>102740

On him being a creep, yeah. On him being a pedo, no. That was a load of bull. But he IS still a creep.

>>102448

hold on OP commiting suicide

>>102363

police cant do much most they will do is step it up to the FBI and they FBI is already overloaded with there own terror and shit, foxler and the like only got raided because they had a tangable crime and evidence associated with them, otherwise half these people online who arent computer security monkies are just gonna get away anyways, interenet is too anonomous need more datalogging, maybe they do i dont know im not a SIGNIT or however you spell it, im just a guy with a brain.

>>102801

because zaush will retalliate he has alot of power and knows alot of people.

>>102738

Sergaliciious i think is a murrsuiter

>>102681

we should do that to the furries dogs who get raped, would really send a message, alluack bar them all.

>>102812

>im just a guy with a brain

AKA "I think I can read between the lines and see The Truth nobody else can"

>>102813

LOLwut? He's got fandom popularity. That's ALL he has. If he's committed a crime, take it to the cops. So far, he's just kinda creepy.

I think police needs a report made by the victim, so screeching on forums that X raped Y when Y doesn't fucking care isn't going to magically make police care.

if you smell weed on your dog's breath is it better to have a SWAT team shoot them or fuck them so they don't do it again

>>102829

hes probably commited a crime, telegram is highly anonomous, you can easily trade illegal content over it.

>>102855

the victim will not go to the police, they are boxed and cornered paid off and send "friends" or random people to be nice to them to be on there "side" in the fandom to prevent them from talking. its common in the fandom.

>>102919

if the victim is so weak and stupid that they can't walk a couple of blocks down to the nearest police station then they deserve to get raped. fuck you with this weak minded "oh im trapped i'll lose my socialites!". looks like getting raped didn't actually hurt you as much if keeping some ugly furfag friends is more important.

>>102916

>hes probably commited a crime

>probably commited a crime

>probably

AKA "I think he might have, so he must have."

>>102919

>they are boxed and cornered paid off and send "friends" or random people to be nice to them to be on there "side" in the fandom to prevent them from talking. its common in the fandom

Got some evidence of that very, very bold claim? Lots of rape victims don't go to the police, but that's more because of the deep social stigmas associated with having been a victim of rape.

>>102922

i cant provide you hard screenshots but i dont post unless i know somethings up. like how renard got away with rape, social media is cancer.

>>102919

It's like with domestic abuse. Even if for the nth time they pretend they fell down the stairs, police can't do shit. If the victim doesn't feel like they're a victim, there's zero you can do.

>>102323

Somebody will call me a pedo over this, but assuming this Forte guy doesn't lie about his age, this is a 20yo soliciting a 15yo with the 15yo's written consent (depending it's country, it's potentially legally irrelevant, but common-sense valid still). It's literally nothing and you people act like he's raping 9yo kids and want to put him on a police shitlist. I dated a (legal) person 7 years younger than me and nobody gave a fuck since she was past 20. You need to crunch the "sensible" age gap a bit as you go lower of course, but 15 and 20 is no crazy gap dammit. For the record, they'd be legal over here.

>>103055

>somebody will call me a pedo for defending pedos

Golly I wonder why.

>>103058

you know what, you're a retard and I'm not going to help you with strategy. enjoy your mess, retard

>>103058

See in next episode!

>a 16yo confesses a love to a 15yo

>OMG PEDO CALL 911

>ends up assraped in jail, disowned by family, unable to get a job

>bing bong theory laugh track plays

>>103061

if pointing out how retarded and gay the situation and that guy is were going to do anything, it would've done it years ago

you're wasting your time

>>103062

It's not time wasted if I'm having fun.

>>103061

>>103061

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>>103055

Age gap has little to do here, it's about dating a 15 year old. Even if they give written consent, they're too young to actually know what they're getting into. Now, if it was 21 and 26, nobody would bat an eye.

>>103110

When I was 15, I was more than ready, though.

>>103113

Pedo.

>>103125

retard

>>103113

If you're as mature now as you were when you were 15,it just means you haven't grown up.

>>103131

if you need to be 21 to fuck you are literally retarded in the medical sense, as in your development has been retarded, making you a retard

>>103144

Some people are not adult even after that age, that is my point. But nobody is mature at the age of 15, don't think that you're some special snowflake.

>>103131

also you don't "mature", anything past 25 is downhill. fortunately "most of your brain dies off and you become incapable of getting really good at anything new" has been rebranded as "you're better at risk assessment" (i.e. now you're also a huge pussy) so boomers and future boomers don't have to confront reality

>>103145

your values are based on nothing and they're making everything suck for almost everyone

i'd tell you to drop them but i don't think you're capable of that

>>103146

Not entirely true, but I know this misconception, it's a good baseline. However, you're not independent at the age of 15, your hormones are doing their thing, etc. - meaning you're not ready for adult life, let alone life with someone else.

>>103147

I've got my life in order, I'm fully independent and looking back at myself and my peers, nobody was an adult at the age of 15.

>>103148

>>103149

Less "not ready for adult life" than "there are no more unskilled jobs for a number of reasons, so you have to spend the prime part of your life getting the pieces of paper that say you can work".

But at least you found a nice maternalistic way of saying the same thing that also avoids assigning anyone blame while gluing on a half-assed pseudoscientific neurosci justification for why material conditions suck now

>>103150

If you need that paper, ask your parents to extend your childhood. If you can't, welcome to the job market, you'll get a job someday.

>>103151

you didn't understand the post, retard

>>103154

And you don't understand how life works, yet you try to tell me you're an adult.

>>103155

you didn't understand the post and now you're saying shit that's completely unrelated to anything

you literally do not understand the conversation you're participating in

>>103157

Feel free to explain, then.

>>103159

scroll up

>>103160

No, just explain again what you meant. Rereading the same text will not help.

>>103161

demanding people explain things to you over and over so as to wear them down is a dick move

how about instead of pulling dick moves, you put some of your budget towards fixing the shit everyone's complaining about

>>103162

This will be the last time (and first) I'd get an explanation, so if I don't get it, I truly am retarded.

>>103163

how is "there are no more unskilled jobs for a number of reasons, so you have to spend the prime part of your life getting the pieces of paper that say you can work" at all unclear as an explanation of why mainstream american age-sex mores have changed

>>103164

Thank you!

The shitty system we have that "requires" education is because it's easier to get someone with a degree saying "I'm not retarded", because the alternative is testing everybody on their own. That wastes time and money, and there's enough people with degrees to ensure they (companies) have the workforce they require. I could go on about the causes and effects of this, but I agree it's bad - though people have jobs and companies can find new hires when they need them.

All in all, this would imply that age of "being adult" should go up, not down, due to how late a person is actually introduced to "life" (independent, has income to sustain yourself and your loved one if needed) by and large.

>>103166

yes, the age of majority should be 30 because it's cheaper to have mexicans/indians/robots do the work that people ordinarily did in their teens

in the meantime, we should continue treating everyone who forgets it's not 1940 like a fucking leper

what the fuck is the matter with you

>>103168

I'm not even 30 and I agree that the situation is shitty and getting a stable life is much harder than it was before. I'm not sure what the age of maturity should be, but it sure as fuck shouldn't be 15.

I've got that useless paper in order to get a job where immigrants or robots can't fuck me over, my fiancee is a freelancer who didn't get the useless paper, life worked out somehow.

I can't change the economy for you or myself, nobody can. Complaining won't get you anywhere, but don't lose hope.

I've been in the same situation, I took a risk with education and it paid off.

>>103169

why shouldn't it

worked for us up until about the 60s

of course, the cops will have less to do, but they can go enforce copyright or something, it's not like they'll starve

>>103170

and it beats the fuck out of the current situation, where people who can drive and carry guns are somehow not capable of fucking without being raped

and we're all expected to believe in this bullshit like it's scripture even though it's transparently rooted in economics

>>103170

Because this will breed even more shitty conditions for their children. And cops will be just fine, it's not like they're of any use right now.

>>103171

And people who drive and carry guns at the age of 16 or so can be completely fucking retarded, as proven by school shootings, insurance costs for cars and many other things. And if they can't be trusted with such short term shit like staying on the road, how the fuck are they supposed to commit to a long term relationship?

I block cub porn producers AND their fans. I don't care if that upsets anyone because I don't want cub fans to be happy or to like me. I don't need admiration from people I find disgusting.

>>103173

Sounds like you have too much time on your hands and care about least meaningful shit.

>>103172

it didn't in germany etc.

on the other hand, here we have teenagers on fucking registries

i think you might be wrong

>>103175

Everyone might be wrong. I really wish you the best of luck, though. I've been there and I almost kys'd, but I found someone I love and we're trying to get through life together, it helps financially and mentally.

>>103176

i'm pretty sure you're wrong though

you didn't refute any of my points

>>103177

I think it's pretty retarded to let people go into long-term commitments like this, when they don't even know what awaits ahead. It's an opinion, not a refutation.

What would lowering the age of maturity to 15 improve? Apart from crime statistics.

>>103178

we're not just talking about long term commitments, we're talking about low-risk short duration internet relationships, which should probably be less of an issue than straight-up marriage

what it would accomplish is a lot less people getting ruined for stupid reasons

>>103179

This low-risk short duration internet relationships can net you a kid if you're stupid enough. It's a sad reality of some couples and many laws, including this one tries to protect stupid people from their own stupidity.

>>103113

i can hear the fapping noises "OH YES I WAS SO READY WHEN I WAS 15".

>>103125

N'aww dude, even when I was 15 I was into people in their 20s and 30s. I'd never been into people that age, even when I was that age.

>>103216

yes but nobody in there 20s or 30s is attracted to 15yos. its not a natural thing at all, you have to either be a pedophile or have some wrong mental hard-wiring.

>>103217

There were many people into me at the time, though I had to wait all the way until I was 17 before someone actually fucked me. Those two years felt like a very long time, and definitely weren't good for my mental health.

>>102004

Ultimate cope mate

You cannot pretend to care about animals and advocate violating them and using them like sex toys

>>103231

>>103231

thats because that type of industry constantly works your brain for everyone else its downhill.

>>103219

maybe you should of done something else instead of being so sex focused.

>>103239

I did a lot of things, but socialisation is often seen as a human need, and sex is a form of human socialisation.

>>103248

just because you can fuck it or reproduce with it doesnt mean you should.

also most of the teenager dreamland fantasies and pedophillic overtones in hollowood movies are pushed by hollowood because there a giant pedophile ring designed to desentize and indoctrinate children and young impresonable adults subtly

>>103110

>they're too young to actually know what they're getting into

Please define when "too young" is?

In some ancient cultures, you were never considered a "full-fledged" adult until you hit the age of 30. Or, in other cultures that existed at the same time, you had teenagers as young as 12-16 ruling entire nations. Then let's fast forward to today's world. By the age of 16, you're allowed to drive and "own" a gun (With a guardian's permission). By 18-21, you're allowed to do just about anything. And, that's also leaving out the biological aspect of it that you really don't start "solidifying" yourself in your personality until you're 20-30 (Along with the end of any bodily growth).

So, how is a 5 year gap in age really important to this, especially when people are living to be 80-100 years old these days?

>>103294

"so how is a more than 25% difference important?"

I don't know actually, sounds really insignificant when you look at it like that!

Just in case anybody in this thread isn't sure: YOU WILL NOT GET ANY GOOD ATTENTION, GOOD ARGUMENTS, OR CONVINCE ANYONE HERE THAT PEDOPHILIA IS OKAY.

If you want to do so, you WILL NOT SUCCEED here. By that I mean nobody on this board will be a potentially-receptive audience. If you want to do such things, there are surely other places. If anyone continues to do so, I think it's safe to assume they're not pedos, they're just here to push your buttons and laugh at the response.

>>103300

Thank you for speaking for everyone gathered here, oh all knowing one.

>>103300

You've convinced me that pedophilia is okay. Thanks!

>>103300

It's funny because from how I interpreted this you're just a pedo in denial

>>103300

Now if only the unironic zoophiles from a few months back got that sort of message.

>>103330

Fuck vegans, fuck zoophiles, and most importantly- sort yourself out bucko. Take your bizarre crusade elsewhere.

>>103308

he convinced me to end the fed because gold is the only stable currency

>>103334

The only bait in this thread is your untenable grasp on reality, zoophile.

>>103339

Sure you aren't, zoophile.

>>103231

and sec is an unremitting shitshow that no one does worth a fuck. what's your point?

>>103212

we have to reduce teen pregnancy because of outcomes (because anything that makes money does so by outsourcing its labor to places where people live eight to a room, and no one can afford to have kids unless they spend their fertile years eating shit in indoctrination camps)

therefore online notepad.exe fucking that has approximately zero chance of leading to anything like reproduction must be considered morally equal to child rape, and people who were normal a few decades ago must be made lepers of

also a bunch of post hoc bullshit about “maturity” and “brain development” that sure didn't stop us when we were signing people up to fight WWII, and sure doesn't stop us now when it's time for a cop to beat a teenager's head into the fucking pavement because they backsassed them

this sucks ass

>>103346

you have to admit the basic point is pretty ironclad

>>103347

Not really. "you have to be okay with zoophilia if you eat meat" is a pretty retarded point for a multitude of reasons. I've yet to see that poster provide a situation in which animal diddling would provide any survival advantage or mental health relief that couldn't be served as easily by simple masturbation. Not even bothering with the idea that any nutrition could be derived from said act either.

>>103349

yeah I'm sure chowing down on that Wendy's is totally a necessary survival tactic! No other caloric source available to you! It's a heavy burden, but you have to eat that burger!

You fat fuck

>>103349

It offers mental health relief to the animal, you retard.

>>103352

I'm 99% your dog can exist without any sexual activity what so ever, it has no existential qualms about getting laid, unlike you :^)

>>103353

t. someone who has never seen a bitch in heat

You've probably never even been around an intact animal.

>>103364

As long as you're ethically okay with raping the corpse of the animal you're going to eat anyway

>>103368

Nah, you'll have to find someone else to validate your degenerate ass and play party to your false dichotomies.

>step away from thread for 2 days

>...

>75+ posts later...

>you eat hamberders therefore fucking my dog is okay

>>103371

Just so you know, that's not really a new thing. Presumably the same guy has been using that argument at least since the Kero thread.

He's been at it for months.

>>103371

The argument isn't that fucking an animal is ethically okay. It makes no value judgement there. Instead, the argument maintains that when you kill that same animal just to satisfy your craving for a burger (when there are caloric alternatives) is at least ethically equivalent, and arguably, ethically worse.

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thread is wack

>>103374

Being alive and suffering is arguably a fate worse than death, you're equating torture to murder when one act is severely more heinous in almost every legal system in the world.

>>103378

Everything about factory farming is an endless torment of the most depraved suffering, agreed.

>>103379

Cool so you can agree that by killing them to eat them we've ended their suffering and that there has been a net gain in the world.

>>103383

Only if you do not perpetuate the cycle by introducing more animals into the system, yes.

>>103384

So as long as the animals are fucking of their own accord, you don't care, that seems like some really weird ethics.

Are you saying that we shouldn't introduce more plants into the world because their end result will most likely be them being consumed? I'm not sure what mystical line you're drawing in the sand where we can breed things ultimately to kill them, but only of a certain intellect otherwise its cruel.

>>103386

A one where literal dogfucking is considered acceptable it seems.

>>103386

Plants do not experience any meaninful qualia that indicate existential suffering. They do not possess a central nervous system that can endure pain. It is less ethical to inflict suffering on an organism that can experience those qualia vs an organism that cannot.

>>103378

Yo. Hold up. Did you just imply rape is worse than death?

>>103372 >>103373

From the tone of the OP, there was no hope of a meaningful discourse, and with this most recent development I don't think I'll bother funposting about the first half of it.

>>103374

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

have fun with your non-human sex-slave! (actually please don't)

>>103389

>Plants do not experience any meaninful qualia that indicate existential suffering.

Nor do people in persistent-vegetative states. Is that why we call them vegetables?

Can I carve comatose people like a melon and fuck their juicy hole?

>>103392

I'm not that guy you're replying to, but masturbation doesn't require rape.

>>103395

>This thread is insane.

That should have been obvious once the bestiality enthusiast showed up.

>>103394

It would be less ethical to kill someone who isn't in a persistent-vegetative state vs one who is. In fact, doctors do it all the time.

>>103393

>Yo. Hold up. Did you just imply rape is worse than death?

Why do you think you hear of so many suicide (death) by cop stories and so few sex (rape) by cop stories?

The police are merciful people

>>103395

>renamons-face-after-i-raped-hir-and-cut-off-hir-dik.jpg

eye cri evry tiem

>>103398

>doctors do it all the time

I have a PhD, is this your consent to be turned into a fuckberder? [lawyers note: you are not mentally competent to answer this question]

>>103399

Is that a yes or a no?

>>103402

It is indeed a yes or a no.

>>103399

Do you live in one of those sand filled countries where they have law enforcement dedicated to raping and stoning women for showing their ankles?

>>103400

I'ts more ethical to rape someone in a persistent-vegetative state vs one who is not, yes. It isn't as bad. Easy judgement to make.

>>103404

In certain ways that accurately describes the USA, so yes.

>>103405

>some kinds of rape are ethical

I really think you need to reevaluate your arithmetic system of "ethics"

>>103406

MORE ethical than the alternative, not objectively 'ethically good'. Everything is a shade of grey.

>>103407

So there is an ethical value to raping certain classes of people.

>>103405

So your moral compass has no needle?

>>103410

Oh, there's a "needle" it's just in some braindead kid's or dog's ass right now.

>>103408

Sophie's choice is still a choice

>>103412

>Sophie's choice is still a choice

Congrats you just lost the conversation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

>>103414

what

>>103415

>nazis made me chose whether to rape a conscious child or a brain-dead child and I made the most ethical choice

literally your post

>>103416

Well yeah, it's a shorthand parlance for choosing between two problematic options

>>103364

the basic argument is animals would rather be fucked than killed, ergo fucking them is less bad than killing them

it's funny because no one can refute it

>>103419

They're trying really hard, though. Guilt, maybe.

>>103419

Would you rather be raped or murdered? Choose one, have fun.

>>103419

That argument doesn't work on humans, and it sure as hell doesn't work with animals either.

>>103421

Rape of course. How is that even a tough question? Death is nonexistence. Are you stupid? Do you believe in the afterlife?

>>103423

It's a question that's asking "would you rather have a bad thing happen to you or a very bad thing", without an option to say "neither".

Really activates those almonds.

>>103424

>What's even the point of deciding if one thing is worse than another

Listen to yourself. You're not making any sense. Some things are worse than other things. You should not be scared to consider those possibilities. You write like you are incapable of reasoning.

interesting place to prosthelytize zoophilia and veganism lmao

>>103420

no they're laughing because it's so obviously wrong that anyone could refute it

except they're not, for some reason

>>103430

Valuing another species above your own is just retarded honestly, suicidal even.

>>103434

it's okayish judo but it's still wrong

>>103435

Running this same line of argument, you'd be fine with fish living in horrible conditions because they technically can't feel pain, therefore they aren't suffering, even though their quality of life is debatably worse and their bodies are suffering for it, it doesn't real because they don't care.

Your argument is too loose and covers too big a blanket, you're arguing in the same vein that people who create a demand for 2d loli are also always supplying a demand for child exploitation, as if underage art cannot exist without a child suffering in some way.

>>103437

Not him, but:

Fish can suffer in other extrinsic ways, outside of pain. However, I agree that, ethically, I care less for the wellbeing of an organism the less complex it is. As I walk down the street, I would squash an ant underfoot without qualm. I would not do the same to a baby chic or a puppy. How is this not easy to understand?

>>103310

LOL, I'm not surprised my post was taken as amusing. Before this thread, when people were bringing this shit up in every thread, I was amazed at how may people took "I hate pedophilia, but it's not everyone, everywhere" to mean "I'm condoning pedophilia and covering for pedos." I guess the belief that there are 'dozens, if not hundreds' of them just runs that deep.

>>103313

Yeah, I'm glad this discussion is contained, too.

>>103329

Unironic zoophiles? All I saw were the "ZOOSADISTS ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!" posts, also in every fucking thread. That belief runs deep too.

>>103349

>"you have to be okay with zoophilia if you eat meat"

I'll take 'Low-Quality Bait' for $100, Alex.

>>103437

>it doesn't real

what

>>103443

Because arguing about what's objectively right and wrong in a situation where something is killed in any sense is a rabbit hole that people have been and will continue to argue about until the end of time, I'm merely pointing out the ultimate futility of this discussion.

I am wholly for the humane treatment of all animals, but all carnivores aren't responsible for the shitty business practices people take to cut corners. Sure, everyone has an obligation to speak out against this bullshit, but then in the same vein you're asking those people to make their favorite food more expensive, and that's not something you can easily levy against people's emotions in this day and age. I'll save the cows any day, but I can't save them at the expense of my wallet, not if I want to continue barely skimming by with the few luxuries I can take.

>>103445

I'm saying according to the fish's reality, the suffering isn't real

>>103447

Just a quick aside, scientific consensus indicates fish feel pain and suffer

>>103395

you literally just described the ruffzoo onion site.

>>103447

all animals are the equivilant to retards or people with low IQ/ children. yeah they can be smart in some regards and stuff but in the end they can still feel pain. If you like a retard on fire there gonna run around screaming, same if you torture an animal.

>>103462

That's not even it, the whole argument really boils down to "what gives me the right to decide what lives or dies; how can we put the value of a life over another using our own arbitrary interpretation of reality; and even assigning value to a life in of itself an incredibly cruel and heartless act"

>>103444

>Unironic zoophiles? All I saw were the "ZOOSADISTS ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!" posts, also in every fucking thread.

There was literally a guy shilling his bestiality board/forum before the vols/mods got rid of that post. Said post also likely contributed to the decision to contain all this drama to a single thread.

>>103559

Someone posts that every month or so. It’s regularly pruned without most people noticing.

>>103574

Preaching to the choir buddy, I'm saying there's a greater moral dilemma that's really behind this argument that certainly isn't going to get resolved here, I'm not the crazy person who thinks all carnivores are somehow responsible for the wellbeing of the food consumed by everyone.

>>103575

>I'm saying there's a greater moral dilemma that's really behind this argument that certainly isn't going to get resolved here

What's the "moral dilemma"? If you believe in Darwin and evolution, then it's "survival of the fittest" and humanity has won. If you believe in Christianity, then God placed humans at the top of the food chain as "caretakers". If you believe in the Eastern religions, all they really ask is that you be conscious of your impact on world and to be frugal. In other regions, they used every bit of what the animal they killed before killing more (And, that it was considered wasteful to kill more than you needed). This is not to mention the fact that the industrialization process in killing animals for material and food has had thousands of regulations and restrictions placed upon it over the decades to ensure that the entire process is as "humane" as possible (Unless you're buying kosher/halal products, then no such regulations exist). And, then you had some of the American-Indian tribes which drove entire species to near extension such as herding gangs of buffalo over a cliff.

The only people who have "moral dilemmas" with the entire discussion either have some severe form of autism (In which care, look up Temple Grandin) or another brain illness, or they're just trying to look "morally superior" by using nothing but completely bullshit arguments that have no basis in reality.

>>103580

>yfw metoo fell through before hansen's follies could come out

>>103580

You're talking to a person who thinks spirit and the letter of the law are one and the same. Gotta love the armchair lawyers/police who don't know how things work.

>>103574

this.

zoophile argument destroyed

>>103580

yeah sure lemme go the police, and then post here how i went to the police. The problem with that post is its a little snippet of something, alot of times those telegram groups post alot more then reference drawings. theres alot of pedophiles on telegram and alot of pedo groups on telegram, because alot of the cub stuff and pedo stuff overlaps big time. The police cant do shit because telegram is based outside of the country, its a freespech lawless land.

>>103595

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i doubt someone would spend the time to slander someone with something so damming, if your tracing children and making them sexual you are making child porn because you are using a child shape which falls under the laws of production of child porn due to it being an actual child.

this is why cub artists draw there cubs cumming despite being 5.

>>103597

I also doubt people would go on the internet and tell lies, but some people do that. Some people pretend to be a

gay nigger policemen, some people pretend to be navy seals, but that doesn't mean that you should believe any of them. Give us some proof, otherwise you're as credible as the navy seals copypasta.

>zoonigger argument

>ummmm if you eat them you can’t say it’s not okay to exploit them in other ways!

>but wouldn’t allowing both create more animal suffering? You are arguing to diminish animals rights even further just to get rid of “hypocrisy” in the entirely abstract space of morality and law?

>uhhhhhh b-b-but

>you do realise most people in the world aren’t middle class furfags who can easily get a soy latte whenever they want? Millions of peoples diets, and their jobs, rely on the meat industry. Millions of animals lives do too

>b-b-but!!

>so you are arguing we either undergo a major upheaval in how we eat all of a sudden, just so our morals are “consistent”, or that we actively decide to make the situation for animals even worse arbitrarily? And you care about animals ethics

>I c-c-concede!!!

>>103579

I'm not talking about this argument, I'm talking about the argument that fucking an animal is okay because you eat other animals too. How obligated a human is to treat any other life with respect isn't really something you can objectively argue, precisely because of survival of the fittest and man's place on the food chain.

>>103579

>this reductionist garbage

Cope

>>103593

>Biology gives me the right!

Oh? That's a good reason? Your biological drives dictate your actions and make them ethically okay?

I guess this means any horny man has the right to rape any women he fancies, yes? His biology demands it, after all!

>>103579

Kosher/halal rules also prohibit inhumane treatment of animals at slaughter, btw.

>>103610

>I guess this means any horny man has the right to rape any animal he fancies, yes? His biology demands it, after all!

Nah to both.

>>103598

we did, we showed you a screenshot of his and we also have posted telegram chats.

>>103613

Glad we agree.

>>103618

who knew bestiality and rape could both be bad without some weird dogfucker vegan shit being agreed too?

>>103614

>we

who's "we"

>>103602

it's funny because there's a whole family of similar arguments in re: what it's okay to fuck versus what it's okay to brutalize.

of course, there actually is a viable utilitarian counterargument. it's poisoned (i wouldn't be sharing it if it weren't), but it goes something like "we can't do anything about the brutality, but we can do something about the fucking, and since no fucking is less bad than fucking, we should treat the thing we can do something about extra harshly"

and this is persuasive, to a certain class of thug

but the poisonous parts are, one, the fucking doesn't matter, because in the absence of confounding factors, having sex is pretty fun. so the argument is wrong, even though it looks legit. and because most people are bad at verbalizing shit, they won't be able to formulate what i just posted, which creates an asymmetry between people who want to reason out what is truly just, and thugs who just want to bully libertines, with the thugs on the winning foot.

this means that any moralfag space quickly becomes dominated by thugs, which discredits them in the eyes of people who aren't pieces of shit, and along with the obvious but ineffable logical flaw, discredits the mainstream moral consensus in the eyes of anyone who isn't totally fucking retarded.

and, two, the sex ends up bleeding into the brutality. teachers fucking their students, teachers abusing their students in ways that aren't immediately legible as "sexual" (older women are big on this), cops fucking teenagers or fucking them up by beating them half to death, people getting way into animal breeding, "horse girls" etc.

this becomes systemic, pervasive "moral rot", to which thugs are susceptible. this is funny to me

>>103622

and you can't not have the moral rot, you can only select for people for whom the brutality is already sexual

>>103620

No, that rape is rape and murder is murder. Killing an animal is bad, raping an animal is bad.

>>103594

You know Zaush resides in America right? Telegram may not be American but he is, he must abide by US law. You say those groups do more than reference drawings, so report it to authorities if you know they're doing shit. Just like the justice system "i think he does something therefore he did it" doesn't work.

>>103597

>you are making child porn

not technically. Read United States v Schales to understand. He was charged separately from the US CP laws for morphing kids heads onto adults fucking, thats Obscenity.

>i doubt someone would spend the time to slander someone with something so damming

That's why college girls slander guys accusing them of rape.

>>103614

*you* showed someone using stock photos and a retired porn star as a reference for bodytypes. That doesn't prove your claim of "He traced child porn". Him talking about Pedoshit or whatever doesn't matter here. Did he trace CP? If so, get the evidence to the cops. If not, then stop. It's been a year since that image, which makes me think no one cares, cops don't care, and this is a waste of time.

>>103603

My ancestors didn't climb to the top of the food chain so that soyboys like you could tell me sticking my dick in a dog is evil. Go eat lentils.

>>103625

sometimes the cops bait pedophiles for years and years and years just so they can have enough evidience to put them away. if hes tracing children hes most likely into pedoshit too, the apple doesnt fall far from the tree with this crap. it just has different layers.

>>103620

up next, vegan bestiality porn where we slaugter the animal and then convert ti to soybeans and eat it while fucking the animal

>>103632

Remember the IF of that statement. You don't know hes tracing children and neither does anyone else.

>>103632

Unless you're talking about some really large pedo rings (that aren't run by friends of politicians/cops, those are ignored), cops will not spend years on baiting a single person, especially one that doesn't directly harm children.

If cops want someone gone, they do entrapment, plant drugs or whatever else. Not stalk a person for years.

>>103636

Again, I've seen the screenshots people talk about. They showed porn star Kitty Jung, and some very G-rated shots of kids modeling swimwear. The body types of the people in those photos are very unlike the bodies Wan draws, and the actual kids were all just standing there like, you know, someone modeling clothing for a catalog. If he did anything, he might have referenced Jung's poses, but I highly doubt he traced anything (but I also admit I don't know).