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30be1d  No.139302

What is your main protein source?

For me its

>Lowfat Quark

>Cheap as fuck

>Tastes acceptable even if eaten pure, add 20g of muesli and you've got something even a sane person would eat

<Diary

<Slowly realize lactose intolerance might be the reason for my bacne and slight acne

>Turkey breast

>Tastes much better than chicken breast, relatively cheap for meat

>Nothing bad to say about it

auxiliaries:

>peanuts, peanut butter

>sesame paste

I eat about 1 to 1.5kg lowfat quark a day, thats 2.2 to 3.3lbs in burger units, and want to replace it with some non-diary protein at least to try it out. What can you recommend? Im considering Tuna but the smell and taste is really horrible at least in raw form, and i don't want to slowly turn retarded from mercury poisoning.

75b7ce  No.139310

>>139302

People talk about acne with things like dairy, but I think the matter is too complicated to implicate dairy as the villain outright. There is an a good chance that the acne comes primarily from the major linoleic acid sources in the diet, and dairy fat—with its stearic acid content (known to treat cancer)—is displacing stored omega-6 fatty acids, which can be a good thing in that cells are given a chance to improve their structure when omega-6 fats leave. High fat dairy comes with a little linoleic acid too, but it's small in proportion to saturated and monounsaturated fat. Ideally, it would come from grass fed cows and have even less omega-6 in proportion to omega-3s.


75b7ce  No.139311

>>139302

>>139310

So you understand where I'm coming from, here is a rough draft of an article on acne I've been working on. It originally was going to explore male pattern baldness as well:

Grease, Acne, & Toxic Fatty Acids

In the skin, there are microscopic exocrine glands that secrete an oily substance called sebum which contributes to a greasy texture of hair.

> The results of two model experiments show that SERUM does not creep along the HAIR. Accordingly, the sebum which coats the hair does not originate from its FOLLICLE. It is assumed that the terminal hair picks up sebum mechanically from surrounding follicles.

[…]

> Therefore, we can assume that the sebum, which is present in the hair follicle, is coating the whole hair. Greasing of the hair, which takes place during its growth out of the sebum-filled follicle, is of minor importance, since the rate of hair growth is only 0.35 mm a day. Moreover, recoating of hair by sebum occurs within a few days.

Eberhardt (1976)

While a greasy texture is merely aesthetic in itself, both acne and baldness not only involve increased sebum production but have also been shown to be inducible by sebum itself in experiments:

> Scalp sebums of 64 young men were applied once daily for ten times to the external ear canal of the rabbit. In every instance follicular hyperkeratosis resulted.

> This finding supports the conception that sebum contains substances that directly stimulates the follicle to form a comedo, the elementary lesion in acne vulgaris.

Kligman (1968)

> In the first place, even repeated applications of squalene failed to produce baldness in mice, while a single local treatment with human sebum gave rise to loss of hair in a high percentage of these animals.

Flesch (1953)

As not everyone has acne or baldness and yet it can be reasonably assumed that everyone makes some amount of sebum, either the quality—as in the composition or ingredients of the sebum—or the quantity of sebum produced may be the deciding factor on its effects, and there is direct evidence to support the notion of quality:

> Initially we used pooled scalp sebum. Curiously, some batches were more active than others. Eventually we learned that activity varied among individuals, indeed sometimes in the same individual when samples were collected at different times.

Kligman (1968)

In acne, the prostaglandin-endoperoxide synthase 2 (or cyclooxygenase-2/COX-2) enzyme expression has been found to be higher:

> Both COX isozymes, COX-1 and COX-2, are expressed in human sebocytes in vitro, in particular COX-2 expression is selectively upregulated in acne involved sebaceous glands in vivo⁴¹ (Fig. 4).

Makrantonaki (2011)

And inhibition of COX-2 (the same enzyme) has been shown to relieve acne symptoms:

> BACKGROUND: Premenstrual acne is poorly understood, the accepted hypothesis is 30 years old. AIMS: Here we test the hypothesis that premenstrual acne can be suppressed using Cox-2 inhibitors. METHODS: Eighty women with premenstrual acne were enrolled in a trial where they were given rofecoxib, a Cox-2 inhibitor or placebo for 10 days for two cycles and were evaluated using acne severity index and inflammatory acne counts. RESULTS: Rofecoxib was more effective than the placebo. CONCLUSIONS: Although the number studied is small, the results suggest that rofecoxib is effective in the management of premenstrual acne and that prostaglandin PGE2 may be involved in its pathogenesis.

Tehrani (2004)

Additionally, when transgenic mice were made to overexpress COX–2 in their skin, they were found to have greasy hair:

> COX-2 overexpression in the expected locations, resulting in increased prostaglandin levels in epidermis and plasma, correlated with a pronounced skin phenotype. Heterozygous transgenic mice exhibited a reduced hair follicle density. Moreover, postnatally hair follicle morphogenesis and thinning of interfollicular dorsal epidermis were delayed. Adult transgenics showed a body-site-dependent sparse coat of greasy hair, the latter caused by sebaceous gland hyperplasia and increased epicutaneous sebum levels.

Neufang (2001)

There are many cycloxygenase inhibitors that can downregulate these processes, such as vitamin A and E, (Halevy, 1987) and vitamin A is shown to directly treat acne (Mills, 1972) while there are many indirect signs that vitamin E would be effective as well, such as its cyclooxygenase inhibition and synergism with vitamin A. (Ayres, 1979) However, these are frequently losing strategies that may win a battle but forfeit the war, as so many acne stories tell of hopelessness and mystery. What is being prevented by the inhibition of cyclooxygenase is the production of prostaglandins from ω-6 fatty acids. Many acne treatments offer temporary relief, and many of them operate by inhibiting this prostaglandin production pathway. The permanent solution then becomes the elimination of ω-6 fatty acids from the diet, as discontinuing their consumption will eventually end this cycle of inflammation and excessive production of toxic sebum containing prostaglandins. Results don’t come instantly however. The human body is capable of storing fats in various tissues for multiple years before their final purge, so an obese individual will in all likelihood take longer to reach victory than a lean person. The best course of action is to avoid ω-6 fatty acids like the plague, primarily by avoiding the consumption of vegetable oils, such as corn oil, soybean oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, safflower oil, cottonseed oil, flaxseed oil, etc and to become replete in vitamins which protect against prostaglandin production and perhaps occasional usage of cyclooxygenase inhibitors such as aspirin.

Antibiotics of the tetracycline-class have also been shown effective in the treatment of acne. (Mills, 1972; Hubbell, 1982) Tetracyclines lower nitric oxide production (Milano, 1997) by eliminating bacteria that are creating lipopolysaccharides, or endotoxin, (Milano, 1997; Possel, 2000) and nitric oxide is intimately associated with the production of prostaglandins. (Kim, 2011) It might be inferred that a gut inhabited by the wrong kinds of bacteria makes acne worse through upregulating the nitric oxide production that is associated with prostaglandin production, so eating certain foods that act as fuel for these bacteria might be cautioned against.


75b7ce  No.139312

>>139311

References

Ayres, J. S., Mihan, R., & Scribner, M. D. (1979). Synergism of vitamins A and E with dermatologic applications. Cutis, 23(5), 600-3.

URL: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/156626

Eberhardt, H. (1976). Recoating of human hair by sebum. J Soc Cosmet Chem, 27, 235-239.

URL: http://journal.scconline.org/abstracts/cc1976/cc027n05/p00235-p00239.html

Flesch, P. (1953). HAIR LOSS FROM SEBUM. AMA archives of dermatology and syphilology, 67(1), 1-9. doi:10.1001/archderm.1953.01540010005001

URL: https://doi.org/10.1001/archderm.1953.01540010005001

Full Text: https://sci-hub.hk/10.1001/archderm.1953.01540010005001

Halevy, O., & Sklan, D. (1987). Inhibition of arachidonic acid oxidation by β-carotene, retinol and α-tocopherol. Biochimica et Biophysica Acta (BBA)-Lipids and Lipid Metabolism, 918(3), 304-307.

URL: https://doi.org/10.1016/0005-2760(87)90235-9

Hubbell, C. G., Hobbs, E. R., Rist, M. T., & White Jr, J. W. (1982). Efficacy of minocycline compared with tetracycline in treatment of acne vulgaris. Archives of dermatology, 118(12), 989-992.

URL: https://doi.org/10.1001/archderm.1982.01650240033017

Kim, S. F. (2011). The role of nitric oxide in prostaglandin biology; update. Nitric Oxide, 25(3), 255-264.

URL: https://dx.doi.org/10.1016%2Fj.niox.2011.07.002

Kligman, A. M., & Katz, A. G. (1968). Pathogenesis of acne vulgaris: I. Comedogenic properties of human sebum in external ear canal of the rabbit. Archives of dermatology, 98(1), 53-57. doi:10.1001/archderm.1968.01610130059013

URL: https://doi.org/10.1001/archderm.1968.01610130059013

Full Text: https://sci-hub.hk/10.1001/archderm.1968.01610130059013

Makrantonaki, E., Ganceviciene, R., & Zouboulis, C. C. (2011). An update on the role of the sebaceous gland in the pathogenesis of acne. Dermato-endocrinology, 3(1), 41-49. doi:10.4161/derm.3.1.13900

URL: https://dx.doi.org/10.4161%2Fderm.3.1.13900

Milano, S., Arcoleo, F., D'Agostino, P., & Cillari, E. (1997). Intraperitoneal injection of tetracyclines protects mice from lethal endotoxemia downregulating inducible nitric oxide synthase in various organs and cytokine and nitrate secretion in blood. Antimicrobial agents and chemotherapy, 41(1), 117-121.

URL: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC163671/

Mills, O. H., Marples, R. R., & Kligman, A. M. (1972). Acne vulgaris: oral therapy with tetracycline and topical therapy with vitamin A. Archives of dermatology, 106(2), 200-203.

URL: https://doi.org/10.1001/archderm.1972.01620110036009

Neufang, G., Fürstenberger, G., Heidt, M., Marks, F., & Müller-Decker, K. (2001). Abnormal differentiation of epidermis in transgenic mice constitutively expressing cyclooxygenase-2 in skin. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 98(13), 7629-7634.

URL: https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.121574098

Possel, H., Noack, H., Putzke, J., Wolf, G., & Sies, H. (2000). Selective upregulation of inducible nitric oxide synthase (iNOS) by lipopolysaccharide (LPS) and cytokines in microglia: in vitro and in vivo studies. Glia, 32(1), 51-59.

URL: https://doi.org/10.1002/1098-1136(200010)32:1%3C51::AID-GLIA50%3E3.0.CO;2-4

Tehrani, R., & Dharmalingam, M. (2004). Management of premenstrual acne with Cox-2 inhibitors: A placebo controlled study. Indian Journal of Dermatology, Venereology, and Leprology, 70(6), 345.

URL: http://www.ijdvl.com/article.asp?issn=0378-6323;year=2004;volume=70;issue=6;spage=345;epage=348;aulast=Tehrani


75b7ce  No.139313

>>139310

Not saying you should have high fat dairy, btw. Lower total fat intake is probably for the better, but if what little fat you do eat comes from a source such as dairy, you'll probably get good health results in the long term.


81adb4  No.139322

I mostly just eat fuckloads of eggs. Fry em, scramble em, hard boil em, whatever.


abdc69  No.139324

>>139302

>What is your main protein source?

Isolated soy protein. I am vegetarian.


8669b7  No.139326

>>139322

This, pretty much.

Great source of Choline, Vitamin D and B12 too.


e5c9dc  No.139332

>>139312

>>139311

>>139310

>full on paper-tier post

Thank you anon

>The best course of action is to avoid ω-6 fatty acids like the plague, primarily by avoiding the consumption of vegetable oils, such as corn oil, soybean oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, safflower oil, cottonseed oil, flaxseed oil, etc

This doesn't sound all that easy, how do i fry my turkey / chicken breast without vegetable oils? Any viable replacements?

>The human body is capable of storing fats in various tissues for multiple years before their final purge

Means it would take years to take effect?

>so eating certain foods that act as fuel for these bacteria might be cautioned against.

What would those be?

>Lower total fat intake is probably for the better

As in, in general? Aren't fats extremely important?

>>139322

I completely forgot about eggs, good idea.

>>139324

Your main protein source is powder? How much do you take a day?


7dd4a9  No.139353

File: 8981191263b029d⋯.jpg (102.98 KB, 874x1200, 437:600, carnivore diet.jpg)

File: 3e055d35545e655⋯.jpg (92.66 KB, 675x1200, 9:16, carnivore diet2.jpg)

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Fucking meat tbh


7dd4a9  No.139354

>>139332

>>The best course of action is to avoid ω-6 fatty acids like the plague, primarily by avoiding the consumption of vegetable oils, such as corn oil, soybean oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, safflower oil, cottonseed oil, flaxseed oil, etc

>This doesn't sound all that easy, how do i fry my turkey / chicken breast without vegetable oils? Any viable replacements?

Coconut oil, but I don't agree with that anon. Fat is fat, have less grains and you'll be golden.


e5c9dc  No.139356

>>139353

Those images look like bullshit. Especially the >no gym part.

>meat

Sure, i eat 330-500g turkey breast a day, but if i would fill all my protons with it i'd spend a fortune on meat daily.

>>139354

>less grains

Does that include oats?


75b7ce  No.139357

>>139332

>This doesn't sound all that easy,

I think you can do it. I started avoiding unnecessary polyunsaturated fat consumption in January 2017 and saw dramatic changes in health and well being within months, but I also made concerted efforts to take vitamins and supplements that combat their effects. My acne is much milder now, and I am still seeing improvements in the quality of my skin as time goes by.

What I suspect is someone with problematic acne should often look at his diet to make sure his colon isn't in a state of chronic inflammation that would be indicative of feeding bad bacteria which are increasing nitric oxide and prostaglandin levels. After finding a diet which is tame on the gut—probably favoring plenty of fruit, low fat milk, and less starches, perhaps leafy greeens too—it may be necessary to take a round of antibiotics (tetracyclines are very good) to wipe out some stubborn bacteria populations that aren't helping. (You may have to pay attention to how much tension is in the intestines after eating certain meals.) There have even been some bacteria found which make prostaglandin-like substances on their own on the skin, so in some contexts acne may be an infection.

After being exposed to excess omega-6 fatty acids for so long, COX enzymes are upregulated, which means the body is very prone to make prostaglandins with just small amounts of these fatty acids. It can take a while to calm things down. This is why COX inhibitors and other various supplements may be important during the transition period. Solutions of aspirin and niacinamide in ethanol sprayed on the back may alleviate the bacne, as should vitamin E. Gamma-tocopherol is a particularly good form of vitamin E. Zinc is a popular treatment for acne, and I think it's effective. However, sunlight is of great importance in treating acne, and it would be unfortunate if you don't have many opportunities

to be outdoors shirtless.

>how do i fry my turkey / chicken breast without vegetable oils?

Coconut oil is a viable replacement, but because of what poultry is fed, you'll get better results by sticking to ruminant flesh.

>What would those be?

Usually too many nutrient deficient starches is a common cause

>As in, in general?

Yes, but high saturated fat intake is therapeutic in the transition phase.

>Aren't fats extremely important?

As in being a necessary component of living structures, yes, but this doesn't imply that you need a lot of them in the diet. The entire class of omega-6 fatty acids is questionable. It's not certain if they are nutritionally essential, and if they are, they are always present in trace amounts and are hardly 100% avoidable. Carbs are the main energy source, and when dietary fat is lacking, carbs can be used to make certain fats (usually saturated).

Kaymak, Yeşim, and M. Önder. An investigation of efficacy of topical niacinamide for the treatment of mild and moderate acne vulgaris. J Turk Acad Dermatol 2.4 (2008): 1-4.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.626.6737&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Jian-wu, Zhang, Pu Qi-song, and Chen Dou-jia. Antitumor effect of aspirin-niacinamide-zinc complex on H_ (22) hepatoma-bearing mice. Sichuan Journal of Physiological Sciences 4 (2012): 002.

http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTotal-SCSZ201204002.htm

>>139354

>Fat is fat

This statement has no basis in reality. There are clear distinctions between different types of fat and their biological effects. I will post some more on this


75b7ce  No.139358

>>139354

An Overview of Linoleic Acid and Its Derivatives


linoleic acid [1] → arachidonic acid [2] + cyclooxygenase [3] → prostaglandin H₂ [4] + PGD synthase [5] → prostaglandin D₂ [6]
↳+ PGE synthase [7] → prostaglandin E₂ [8] → prostaglandin F₂ [9]
↳+ prostacyclin synthase [10] → prostaglandin I₂ [11]
↳+ thromboxane synthase [12] → thromboxane A₂ [13]
↳+ lipoxygenase [14] → hydroperoxyeicosatetraenoic acid (HPTE) [15] → leukotriene A₄ [16] + H₂O → leuktriene B₄ [17]
↳+ glutathione [18] + glutathione-S-transferase [19] → leukotriene C₄ [20] → glutamic acid [21]
↳→ leukotriene D₄ [22] → leukotriene E₄ [23]

1. Increases cancer incidence. (Hillyard, et al, 1979; Ip, 1981; Hopkins, et al, 1981; Fisher, et al, 1992; Rose, et al, 1993; Ghoshal, et al, 1994)

2. Increases cancer incidence. (Hillyard, et al, 1979) Increases fat mass. (Massiera, et al, 2002)

3. Its inhibition decreases cancer incidence. (Harris, et al, 2000)

4. Associated with colon cancer. (Kutchera, et al, 1996) Inhibition prevents tumor growth. (Hillyard, et al, 1979)

6. Causes baldness (Garza, et al, 2012)

8. Increases cancer incidence. (Zeifel, et al, 2002)

11. Potentiates inflammation. (Komoriya, et al, 1978) Increases fat mass. (Massiera, et al, 2002)

13. Promotes arterial plaques. (Kobayashi, et al, 2004) Impairs motor function in an Alzheimer’s context. (Yagami, et al, 2004)

17. Stimulates cancer proliferation/growth. (Tong, et al, 2005; Bachi, et al, 2009) Its antagonism treats asthma. (Turner, et al, 1996)

22. Turns on potentially cancerous genes. (Mezhybovska, et al, 2005) Increases cancer cell proliferation. (Salim, et al, 2014)

23. Stimulates an asthmatic response. (Arm, et al, 1988; Laitinen, et al, 1993)


75b7ce  No.139359

>>139358

References

• Komoriya, K., et al. Prostaglandin I2 as a potentiator of acute inflammation in rats. Prostaglandins 15.4 (1978): 557-564.

https://doi.org/10.1016/0090-6980(78)90052-7

>Prostaglandin I2 potentiated the paw swelling induced by carrageenin in rats. Prostaglandin I2 (0.1 μg) showed similar activity to PGE1 (0.01 μg).

• Hillyard, Lewis A., and S. Abraham. Effect of dietary polyunsaturated fatty acids on growth of mammary adenocarcinomas in mice and rats. Cancer research 39.11 (1979): 4430-4437.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/39/11/4430

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/39/11/4430.full-text.pdf

>All six adenocarcinomas developed a significantly greater mass when implanted in animals receiving a 15% corn oil-containing diet than in animals receiving a fat-free diet. In the case of the two tumors implanted in BALB/c mice, addition of as little as 0.1% pure cis,cis-linoleic acid to a fat-free diet was as effective as 15% corn oil. However, in two tumors implanted in C3H mice, and in the rat tumor, 0.1% linoleic acid did not increase tumor weight. As little as 0.06% 5,8,11,14-eicosatetraynoic acid and 0.004% indomethacin, inhibitors of prostaglandin synthesis, in the diet prevented the tumor growth-promoting effect of polyunsaturated fat in BALB/c mice.

>One might expect arachidonic acid, a metabolic product of linoleic acid, to have a tumor-enhancing effect that was equal to or greater than linoleate. However, arachidonate produced an equivocal response.

• Ip, Clement, and Margot M. Ip. Serum estrogens and estrogen responsiveness in 7, 12-dimethylbenz [a] anthracene-induced mammary tumors as influenced by dietary fat. Journal of the National Cancer Institute 66.2 (1981): 291-295.

https://doi.org/10.1093/jnci/66.2.291

>Rats were fed diets consisting of 0.5, 5, or 20% corn oil starting at weaning and were administered 5 mg DMBA at 50 days of age. Tumor incidences were 13, 46, and 75% for the groups given 0.5, 5, and 20% fat, respectively, when the experiment was terminated 20–22 weeks later.

• Hopkins, Garry J., Thomas G. Kennedy, and Kenneth K. Carroll. Polyunsaturated fatty acids as promoters of mammary carcinogenesis induced in Sprague-Dawley rats by 7, 12-dimethylbenz [a] anthracene. Journal of the National Cancer institute 66.3 (1981): 517-522.

https://doi.org/10.1093/jnci/66.3.517

>Addition of 3% ethyl oleate (an ethyl ester of an unsaturated fatty acid) to a diet high in saturated fat (coconut oil) had no significant effect on tumor development, but the addition of 3% ethyl linoleate (an ethyl ester of a polyunsaturated fatty acid) increased the tumor yield to about twice that in rats fed either the high-saturated fat diet or a low-fat diet.

• Arm, Jonathan P., Bernd W. Spur, and Tak H. Lee. The effects of inhaled leukotriene E4 on the airway responsiveness to histamine in subjects with asthma and normal subjects. Journal of allergy and clinical immunology 82.4 (1988): 654-660.

https://doi.org/10.1016/0091-6749(88)90979-7

>These findings suggest that LTE4 may play a role in the perpetuation of nonspecific airway hyperresponsiveness in bronchial asthma.

• Fischer, Susan M., et al. The effect of dietary fat on the rapid development of mammary tumors induced by 7, 12-dimethylbenz (a) anthracene in SENCAR mice. Cancer research 52.3 (1992): 662-666.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/52/3/662.long

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/52/3/662.full-text.pdf

>A positive correlation between level of dietary LA and mammary tumor incidence was observed such that for the first 15 weeks, the incidence was greatest in the 8.4% LA diet group, followed by the 4.5% and then the 0.8% LA groups.

• Rose, David P., et al. Effect of diets containing different levels of linoleic acid on human breast cancer growth and lung metastasis in nude mice. Cancer Research 53.19 (1993): 4686-4690.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/53/19/4686.short

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/53/19/4686.full-text.pdf

>These diets were isocaloric, and contained different mixtures of safflower (LA-rich) and coconut (saturated fatty acid-rich) oils to provide 23% (w/w) total fat, with 2, 8, and 12% (w/w) LA. A fourth group was fed a low-fat, 5% (w/w) corn oil diet. There were 25 mice in each dietary group. At necropsy, 12 weeks after the tumor cell injections, the primary tumor weights in the 12% LA (4.1 ± 2.7 g)- and 8% LA (3.5 ± 1.7 g)-fed groups were significantly greater (P < 0.05) than those fed the 2% LA diet (2.5 ± 1.5 g); they did not differ significantly from the weights of mammary fat pad tumors in the 5% corn oil-fed mice.


75b7ce  No.139360

>>139359

• Laitinen, Lauri A., et al. Leukotriene E4 and granulocytic infiltration into asthmatic airways. The Lancet 341.8851 (1993): 989-990.

https://doi.org/10.1016/0140-6736(93)91073-U

>We have demonstrated that leukotriene LTE4, the most stable of the sulphidopeptide leukotrienes, elicited an increase in the numbers of eosinophils and neutrophils in the lamina propria of the airway mucosa 4 h after inhalation in 4 asthmatic subjects.

• Ghoshal, Amit, et al. Induction of mammary tumors in female Sprague—Dawley rats by the food-derived carcinogen 2-amino-1-methyl-6-phenyliniidazo [4, 5-b] pyridine and effect of dietary fat. Carcinogenesis 15.11 (1994): 2429-2433.

https://doi.org/10.1093/carcin/15.11.2429

>Two days after the last dose of PhIP, animals were placed on a high polyunsaturated fat diet (23.5% corn oil) or a standard low fat diet (5% corn oil). After 25 weeks on the defined diet, mammary tumor incidence (average tumor mass ± SE) was 53% (5.7 ± 1.3 g) and 16% (2.4 ± 0.9 g) in rats on a high fat and standard low fat diet, respectively. […] 80% of the mammary gland tumors found in PhIP treated rats on a high fat diet were histologically malignant.

• Kutchera, William, et al. Prostaglandin H synthase 2 is expressed abnormally in human colon cancer: evidence for a transcriptional effect. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 93.10 (1996): 4816-4820.

https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.93.10.4816

>Human colon cancers were found to have an increased expression of PHS-2 mRNA compared with normal colon specimens from the same patient (n = 5). […] Additionally, five colon cancer cell lines were shown to express high levels of PHS-2 mRNA even in the absence of a known inducer of PHS-2. […] We conclude that PHS-2 is transcribed abnormally in human colon cancers and that this may be one mechanism by which prostaglandins or related compounds that support carcinogenesis are generated.

• Turner, Claudia R., et al. In vitro and in vivo effects of leukotriene B4 antagonism in a primate model of asthma. The Journal of clinical investigation 97.2 (1996): 381-387.

https://doi.org/10.1172/JCI118426

https://www.jci.org/articles/view/118426/pdf

>These results suggest that LTB4 partially mediates acute and chronic responses to antigen in an experimental primate asthma model and support the clinical evaluation of LTB4 antagonists in human asthma.

• Harris, Randall E., et al. Chemoprevention of breast cancer in rats by celecoxib, a cyclooxygenase 2 inhibitor. Cancer research 60.8 (2000): 2101-2103.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/60/8/2101.short

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• Zweifel, Ben S., et al. Direct evidence for a role of cyclooxygenase 2-derived prostaglandin E2 in human head and neck xenograft tumors. Cancer research 62.22 (2002): 6706-6711.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/62/22/6706.short

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/62/22/6706.full-text.pdf

>We report here that 1483 human head and neck xenograft tumors express COX-2 similar to the pattern observed in human solid tumors and that COX-2 activity produces high levels of prostaglandin E2 (PGE2). Inhibition of COX-2 by celecoxib resulted in loss of intratumor PGE2 levels and reduced tumor growth in a dose-dependent manner. […] Specific inhibition of PGE2 activity by a neutralizing antibody mimicked the reduced tumor growth observed after celecoxib treatment, suggesting growth is PGE2 mediated. These data indicate that a major antitumor mechanism of action of celecoxib is inhibition of COX-2-derived prostaglandins, particularly PGE2

• Massiera, Florence, et al. Arachidonic acid and prostacyclin signaling promote adipose tissue development a human health concern?. Journal of Lipid research 44.2 (2003): 271-279.

https://doi.org/10.1194/jlr.M200346-JLR200

>High fat intake is associated with fat mass gain through fatty acid activation of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptors δ and γ, which promote adipogenesis. We show herein that, compared to a combination of specific agonists to both receptors or to saturated, monounsaturated, and ω-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids, arachidonic acid (C20:4, ω-6) promoted substantially the differentiation of clonal preadipocytes. […] During the pregnancy-lactation period, mother mice were fed either a high-fat diet rich in linoleic acid, a precursor of arachidonic acid (LO diet), or the same isocaloric diet enriched in linoleic acid and α-linolenic acid (LO/LL diet). Body weight from weaning onwards, fat mass, epididymal fat pad weight, and adipocyte size at 8 weeks of age were higher with LO diet than with LO/LL diet. In contrast, prostacyclin receptor-deficient mice fed either diet were similar in this respect, indicating that the prostacyclin signaling contributes to adipose tissue development.


75b7ce  No.139361

>>139360

• Kobayashi, Takuya, et al. Roles of thromboxane A₂ and prostacyclin in the development of atherosclerosis in apoE-deficient mice. The Journal of clinical investigation 114.6 (2004): 784-794.

https://doi.org/10.1172/JCI21446

https://www.jci.org/articles/view/21446/pdf

>Production of thromboxane (TX) A2 and PG I2/prostacyclin (PGI2) is increased in patients with atherosclerosis. However, their roles in atherogenesis have not been critically defined. To examine this issue, we cross-bred atherosclerosis-prone apoE-deficient mice with mice deficient in either the TXA receptor (TP) or the PGI receptor (IP). Although they showed levels of serum cholesterol and triglyceride similar to those of apoE-deficient mice, apoE–/–TP–/– mice exhibited a significant delay in atherogenesis, and apoE–/–IP–/– mice exhibited a significant acceleration in atherogenesis compared with mice deficient in apoE alone. […] We conclude that TXA2 promotes and PGI2 prevents the initiation and progression of atherogenesis through control of platelet activation and leukocyte-endothelial cell interaction.

• Yagami, Tatsurou, et al. Amyloid β protein impairs motor function via thromboxane A2 in the rat striatum. Neurobiology of disease 16.3 (2004): 481-489.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.nbd.2004.04.013

>Amyloid β protein (Aβ) deposits are found in the striatum of patients with Alzheimer disease (AD) showing extrapyramidal motor dysfunction, but neuronal cell loss has not yet been detected. To clarify how Aβ impairs motor function, we analyzed intrastriatally Aβ-injected rats. […] Aβ(25-35) significantly elevated the level of thromboxane A2 (TXA2). […] This study demonstrated that Aβ(25-35) impairs the motor function of dopaminergic neurons via neuronal cell loss and TXA2. It also sheds light on the therapeutic potential of TXA2 receptor blockers for the neurotoxicity of Aβ.

• Mezhybovska, Maryna, et al. Pro-inflammatory mediator leukotriene D4 induces transcriptional activity of potentially oncogenic genes. (2005): 698-700.

https://doi.org/10.1042/BST0330698

http://www.biochemsoctrans.org/content/33/4/698.full-text.pdf

• Tong, Wei-Gang, et al. LTB4 stimulates growth of human pancreatic cancer cells via MAPK and PI-3 kinase pathways. Biochemical and biophysical research communications 335.3 (2005): 949-956.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.bbrc.2005.07.166

>We have previously shown the importance of LTB4 in human pancreatic cancer. LTB4 receptor antagonists block growth and induce apoptosis in pancreatic cancer cells both in vitro and in vivo. Therefore, we investigated the effect of LTB4 on proliferation of human pancreatic cancer cells and the mechanisms involved. LTB4 stimulated DNA synthesis and proliferation of both PANC-1 and AsPC-1 human pancreatic cancer cells, as measured by thymidine incorporation and cell number. […] In conclusion, LTB4 stimulates proliferation of human pancreatic cancer cells through MEK/ERK and PI-3 kinase/Akt pathways, while p38 MPAK and JNK/SAPK are not involved.

• Bachi, André Luis Lacerda, et al. Leukotriene B4 creates a favorable microenvironment for murine melanoma growth. Molecular cancer research 7.9 (2009): 1417-1424.

https://doi.org/10.1158/1541-7786.MCR-09-0038

http://mcr.aacrjournals.org/content/7/9/1417.full-text.pdf

>Leukotriene B4 (LTB4), the main product of the 5-LOX pathway, was able to induce growth of subtumorigenic inocula of melanoma cells, and a LTB4 receptor antagonist inhibited acute inflammation-associated tumor growth.

• Garza, Luis A., et al. Prostaglandin D2 inhibits hair growth and is elevated in bald scalp of men with androgenetic alopecia. Science translational medicine 4.126 (2012): 126ra34-126ra34.

https://doi.org/10.1126/scitranslmed.3003122

>We show that PGD2 inhibits hair growth in explanted human hair follicles and when applied topically to mice. Hair growth inhibition requires the PGD2 receptor G protein (heterotrimeric guanine nucleotide)–coupled receptor 44 (GPR44), but not the PGD2 receptor 1 (PTGDR). Furthermore, we find that a transgenic mouse, K14-Ptgs2, which targets prostaglandin-endoperoxide synthase 2 expression to the skin, demonstrates elevated levels of PGD2 in the skin and develops alopecia, follicular miniaturization, and sebaceous gland hyperplasia, which are all hallmarks of human AGA.

• Salim, Tavga, Janna Sand-Dejmek, and Anita Sjölander. The inflammatory mediator leukotriene D4 induces subcellular β-catenin translocation and migration of colon cancer cells. Experimental cell research 321.2 (2014): 255-266.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.yexcr.2013.10.021

>Furthermore, LTD4 significantly reduced the expression of E-cadherin and β-catenin at the plasma membrane and increased the migration and proliferation of HCT116 colon cancer cells.


75b7ce  No.139362

>>139357

>perhaps leafy greeens too

as in more is often a good thing—not less—but greens consumption can also go wrong, especially if the wrong type of greens are eaten. Every food has to be judged on a case per case basis.


81adb4  No.139364

>>139362

All you need is broccoli and spinach, boy!


da4d99  No.139369

File: 455aa71404f9251⋯.jpg (35.22 KB, 640x432, 40:27, 455aa71404f92513b9a4cd8096….jpg)

>>139356

Did the jews tax your steak already? I could get a pound steak for about 10 US dollars. I buy and cook my meat daily for maximum scrimping.


71e911  No.139370

>>139353

damn these images make me want to take the meatpill. imagine how Chaddish it would be to be 'that guy' that's wicked jacked and cut and all these roasties are like "oh waw Chad, what do you do to look like that?" and you say, "I pick things up and put them down and I eat nothing but MEAT" and then the roasties swoon they're like "he's soooooo dreamy" and then you pound that pussy with your fat meat schlong


e5c9dc  No.139375

>>139369

>Did the jews tax your steak already?

No

>I buy and cook my meat daily for maximum scrimping.

How much is it per day though? Not saying i can't afford meat, but if i eat nothing but meat every day it gets expensive.

>>139357

>ruminant flesh

Probably a good point

>coconut oil

Thanks

>Carbs can be used to make certain fats

I didn't know that, so you're saying you could skip fats entirely? please don't expend the effort to write half a bachelors thesis again to answer me


e8f026  No.139377

>>139375

>so you're saying you could skip fats entirely?

If you eat real food, you'll always get trace amounts, and these trace amounts are the only ones I've seen anyone make a convincing case as being nutritionally essential. That means even if the food is allegedly "fat-free", those trace amounts are there unless the food was made in a laboratory. Other than the small amounts in food, all other fats of importance can be made by the human body through de novo lipogenesis. If you are highly active, such as an athlete or weightlifter, it can help to get some dietary fat to get enough daily calories. When that happens, it's usually best to get to obtain it from a saturated fat source, such as dairy, chocolate, or coconuts.


535596  No.139391

Lor cheese shake. This cheese high in protein and only contains whey protein. Add 200 gr of lor cheese and some water to the blender and you have at least 24 grams of whey protein. Taste is acceptable. Cheap as fuck 1kg is 1.5 euro.

Smoked turkey ham, put some ketchup on it taste just like sausage.


8621bf  No.139407

>>139375

We're not talking about going to a steakhouse 3 times a day. You can buy bulk beef, chicken and pork for pretty cheap depending on the cut. Also keep in mind you're getting a lot of your calories from fat especially if you eat things like sausage and bacon, so its not like its a eat 100% protein diet.

Still though a pure meat diet seems unnecessarily restrictive personally I'd add at least fruit, vegetables, nuts, eggs and cheese.


960743  No.139409

Eggs, oats, nuts and chicken


e992af  No.139530

File: afa2f95fca72aee⋯.png (179.72 KB, 280x280, 1:1, rich.png)

>>139302

>be me during army

>Hauptfeldwebel/ Seargent tells us we aren't allowed to cook in our quarters/barrack rooms hence last year french exchange soldiers

>fucked up and managed to start a fire by forgetting to turn of their cooking devices, resulting in an ban for everyone

>naive me who fell for the ayylmao3000kcal for every soldier narrative didn't consider the consequences of this simple fuckup

>canteen food offers you meat only once a day and then it consists of a pathetic chicken drum that couldn't feed an infant, much less someone who needs 180gr of protein a day

>unable to feed myself with meat I needed to binge on Lowfat Quark like I used to do at home when I was too lazy to cook after my chores.

>3 weeks later

>couldn't shit for days in a row, felt sluggish all the time, got pale

>during briefings my stomach would act up, making growling noises for which I was shat on by said seargents

>next day my guts were burning, went to the medics who signed me off that I can remain in my quarters krank auf Stube

>wanted to shit so badly, went to the toilet 3 times in a row to try to squeeze out some shit yet all pressing leadt to no avail

>exhausted I bedded myself to sleep

>somewhere arround 2 a.m. I awoke with intense and sharp pain in my guts, as if something was cutting me up from the inside

>climbed down from my bed as silently as I could manage with my pain in order to not wake anyone up

>struggled to the toilet, prepared the seat and sat

>squeezed hard

>nothing came out

>too weak to move back to my bed now

>in a dazed state I sat, probably for more than 2 hours to squeeze as soon as I could muster up some strength for it

>suddenly, without even squeezing when I was about to drift asleep on the toilet a violent rumbling in my intestines

>set off a raging rock hard log of the most vile and compressed shit my body has ever conceived, covered in a layer of blood

Now I didn't make the correlation directly but the fact that I was shitting blood was enough to prove for me that I was doing something wrong with my body. Never went to the doc with it, because I had to deal with some other shit afterwards but my guess was, that I fucked up by concentration of my gutbacteria so badly, that the milk/whey dissolving organisms grew so strong that they were able to harm my intestines. Couldn't eat any milkproducts for more than half a year without shitting traces of blood, but it's gotten better so that today I can eat 250gr without getting any sideeffects.


958781  No.139532

>>139530

It is a good idea to consume supplementary fiber when doing a high protein diet in order to prevent constipation & hemorrhoids.


75b7ce  No.139539

>>139530

You may need to consider improving intestinal barrier function after such a period of poor eating and irritation of the gut. Fortunately, something as simple and cheap as creatine can help:

Brosnan, Margaret E., and John T. Brosnan. The role of dietary creatine. Amino Acids 48.8 (2016): 1785-1791.

>Creatine supplementation has also been reported to improve the intestinal barrier function of the rodent suffering from inflammatory bowel disease.

Intuition told me niacinamide (a version of vitamin B3) might help barrier function too, but I didn't find a definitive study. It's good for the skin, cheap, and safe. It probably can't hurt to have things working better higher up in the gut while conserving gastric mucus though:

Abdallah, Dalaal M. Nicotinamide alleviates indomethacin-induced gastric ulcers: a novel antiulcer agent. European journal of pharmacology 627.1-3 (2010): 276-280.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ejphar.2009.10.037

>Gastroprotection afforded by nicotinamide is possibly mediated by conservation of gastric mucus, as well as nitric oxide contents, enhanced gastric microvascular permeability, and its antioxidant properties.

A higher intake of protein from gelatin (which contains glycine) or a higher intake of glycine may also help:

McCole, Declan F. The epithelial glycine transporter GLYT1: protecting the gut from inflammation. The Journal of physiology 588.7 (2010): 1033-1034.

https://dx.doi.org/10.1113%2Fjphysiol.2010.188516

When the intestines are damaged, there may be an increase of endotoxin from bacteria entering the blood stream. Glycine is there to help as well:

Zhong, Zhi, et al. L-Glycine: a novel antiinflammatory, immunomodulatory, and cytoprotective agent. Current Opinion in Clinical Nutrition & Metabolic Care 6.2 (2003): 229-240.

https://doi.org/10.1097/01.mco.0000058609.19236.a4

>Glycine protects against shock caused by hemorrhage, endotoxin and sepsis, prevents ischemia/reperfusion and cold storage/reperfusion injury to a variety of tissues and organs including liver, kidney, heart, intestine and skeletal muscle, and diminishes liver and renal injury caused by hepatic and renal toxicants and drugs. Glycine also protects against peptidoglycan polysaccharide-induced arthritis and inhibits gastric secretion and protects the gastric mucosa against chemically and stress-induced ulcers.

Discontinuing intake of unnecessary omega-6 fatty acids is a long term protective measure:

Kirpich, Irina A., et al. Ethanol and dietary unsaturated fat (corn oil/linoleic acid enriched) cause intestinal inflammation and impaired intestinal barrier defense in mice chronically fed alcohol. Alcohol 47.3 (2013): 257-264.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.alcohol.2013.01.005

Kirpich, Irina A., et al. The Type of Dietary Fat Modulates Intestinal Tight Junction Integrity, Gut Permeability, and Hepatic Toll‐Like Receptor Expression in a Mouse Model of Alcoholic Liver Disease. Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research 36.5 (2012): 835-846.

https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2011.01673.x


7dd4a9  No.139882

File: 8981191263b029d⋯.jpg (102.98 KB, 874x1200, 437:600, carnivore diet.jpg)

>>139359

>implanted in animals receiving a 15% corn oil-containing diet

Oh yeah, that 15% corn oil diet…


852329  No.139884

>>139882

Are you implying that man ate a diet high in corn oil?


7dd4a9  No.139889

>>139884

No, it was sarcasm. The man in the pic says he's doing a carnivore diet.


7dd4a9  No.139890

>>139360

>2-Amino-1-methyl-6-phenylimidazo[4,5-b]pyridine (PhIP), a carcinogen found in cooked meat, was determined to be a mammary carcinogen in female Sprague—Dawley rats on a high fat diet.

<Attributing nutritional data from a species of animal susceptible to tumors from cooked meat to humans

<inject concentrated amounts of their carcinogen

<The rat still received tumors either way except the one with the diet of 23.5% fat diet went malignant

<What was the rest of the meal made of?

You post a lot of skewed research papers


662afa  No.139895

>>139532

THIS, German anon was obviously eating low or no fiber to clean out his intestines


835397  No.139900

File: 6a8977029e5e7db⋯.jpg (502.82 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, IMAG0563.jpg)

>>139302

Fucking steak you soy boys


e29b4c  No.139973

>>139900

Steak is kinda expensive where i live. Soymilk is cheap as fuck and has lots of protein.


ed63a4  No.139983

>>139890

And he does it in every fucking thread. Hopefully one day he will learn that mice and rats aren't tiny furry humans.


e5428e  No.140013

>>139356

Lifting may be secondary to diet choices. I'm starting to think that since ever since hitting absolute rock bottom with calorie counting and ever increasing exercise to lose weight (severe over exercise symptoms, weight plateu, chronic fatigue, constant depression-like state), instead of killing myself further, I switched to unrestricted calories high-fat lots of meats and dairy diet coupled with less exercise. From three times a week gym and five times cardio to random gym when I feel like it and some swimming for fun, maybe altogether 3-4 times a month now. Weight is slowly going down, body composition is clearly different, I actually lift more and have gotten rid of all the above symptoms of over straining. It still feels like total bullshit even when it's me and I can see and feel the results. Like magic.


657a19  No.140094

>>139302

>lactose intolerance might be the reason for my bacne and slight acne

I cannot consume milk, but quark with all the other cheeses and dairy products feels ok.


81adb4  No.140111

>>139900

Steak is bullshit. Too much chewing for too little gain.


73971b  No.140200

A nice ribeye from the store

Tbones are good too

Pork steak sometimes at a nice restaurant (it's a st louis thing)

bacon

greek yogurt (be careful with this because there's some that are high fat and low protein read the label!!!!)

um that's about it for lately


1b8777  No.142950

>>139900

Ground beef > steak


eea014  No.142954

Cummies

meatpill is 2nd recommendation from personal experience

i also really appreciate autist anon so he is 3rd


12b840  No.142957

Tofu soymilk bread bagels peas wheat cereal rye fruit potatoes quinoa lentils rice


2a31b4  No.142959

>>139353

>have to take supplements to ward off scurvy

I think i'll keep eating a balanced diet of both meat and plant matter


0f4920  No.142998

>>139322

I agree with this anon. Gordon ramsay has a really good recipe for scrambled eggs that i use quite often. Dont take out the yolks cuz that is for san francisco hipster weakling manlets with moustaches.

Gordon ramsay eggs:

Read a short summary of complete proteins to speed up your meals.

Cereal is one of the easiest ways and proteins keep u full for hours. Peanut butter and jelly is another way and always ALWAYS buy milk that is not homogenized


a854b7  No.143017

Are eggs a proper substitute for meat? My buddy only eats goat yogurt and eggs for ethical reasons.


fc8f08  No.143018

>>143017

Too many egg whites may cause a biotin deficiency. In average circumstances only 30 μg of biotin per day is adequate (Zempleni and Mock, 1999), but biotin balance is a delicate thing easily disturbed by something like excessive avidin in the diet from egg whites which binds to biotin. It's possible the solution involves either less egg whites or supplementing biotin, but supplementing the biotin at the same time egg whites are consumed is probably wasteful.

Sydenstricker, V. P., et al. OBSERVATIONS ON THE EGG WHITE INJURY IN MAN: AND ITS CURE WITH A BIOTIN CONCENTRATE. Journal of the American Medical Association 118.14 (1942): 1199-1200.

https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.1942.02830140029009

Eakin, Robert E., Esmond E. Snell, and Roger J. Williams. A constituent of raw egg white capable of inactivating biotin in vitro. Journal of Biological Chemistry 136 (1940): 801-802.

http://www.jbc.org/content/136/3/801.short

Eakin, Robert E., Esmond E. Snell, and Roger J. Williams. The concentration and assay of avidin, the injury-producing protein in raw egg white. Journal of Biological Chemistry 140 (1941): 535-543.

http://www.jbc.org/content/140/2/535.short

Klevay, L. M. The biotin requirement of rats fed 20% egg white. Journal of nutrition 106.11 (1976): 1643-1646.

https://doi.org/10.1093/jn/106.11.1643

Zempleni, Janos, and DonaldM Mock. Biotin biochemistry and human requirements. The Journal of nutritional biochemistry 10.3 (1999): 128-138.

https://doi.org/10.1016/S0955-2863(98)00095-3


e18503  No.143041

been dealing with what I think as hyperglycemia & the numbness in

hands & feet I've had from it,

my doctor said there was nothing wrong with my blood sugar levels,

he said that my kidneys, liver, B12 & iron were fine so I've had to do this

myself,

spice tea I drink all day, cayenne, cloves, black pepper, turmeric,

a bunch of other spices I can't remember,

now I can't even have fruit without getting light headed,

so the last few days it's been nothing but vegetables, pre eating my veggies I drink some olive oil whey & milk with eucalyptus & peppermint

frankincense & myrrh in my oil, cream & a raw egg to slow glucose absorption then I have a cup of

veggies but still feel some what light headed but it's really toned down

my numbness, but at the same time I'm on 350 Seroquel xr & gabapentin for the numbness but only with the change in my diet have

I had any relief,

I have a tens machine & am experimenting with using that on my kidneys as well,

tonnes of vitamins, BCAAs & glutamine, colloidial silver,

trying to hit it with everything I have since my doctor has no answers for me,


e18503  No.143043

something I'm experimenting with is order of PH foods,

base(alkaline) foods before acid foods revolving around seeing if I can unlock

latent hormones in dairy or proteins,

example olive oil then whey then milk,

olive oil most base to whey then most acid being milk,

or olive oil then eggs then whipping cream ,

efforts to try to unlock hormones in dairy or eggs etc,

in chemistry you add acid first so as to not create a volatile reaction,

so for these foods it is base or alkaline before acid to try to create

volatility to try to unlock hormones in dairy or protein etc,

one time while experimenting with these orders I immediately got really light

headed so it's been years since I did this but now with health issues I

wanna see if I can unlock hormones as an extra for dealing with health

issues in efforts to healing,


e18503  No.143044

for extra on PH food order use many different foods like vinegar, sugar

honey balsamic vinegar fruit juices in accord with your dairy & proteins,

I'd use a lot of those but I'm too sensitive to anything with high sugar content,


e18503  No.143045

if you smoke & train then try quitting the smoke for a week or more,

go back to smoking if you want,

when you quit smoking most people gain weight, see how much weight you

put on as you train & will most likely put the weight on in the correct places,

be quick easy weight & most likely look like an anabolic like reaction due

to the reaction a body has with quitting cigarettes,

just quit long enough for the weight, quit period if you want but my angle is

the weight gain from quitting cigarettes,


54f84d  No.143363

>>139353

'd love to try it again but I'd also rather avoid the hemorrhoids




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